@@AmateurLogician Learning Logic is (as it should be) the first step towards my journey of learning Philosophy, and because of that I'm really glad I discovered your channel. Life's going to change for the better once I understand the art of Reasoning.
@@Treasure_Tshabalala Cool! Yeah, I love philosophy! Logic is the best way to enter it. It builds foundational reasoning skills. Glad to have you as a viewer! I'm a life-long learner. I did build a (traditional) logic tutorial: amateurlogician.com/trivium-logic/ If you have comments, questions, or suggestions please let me know! Good luck in your journey!
It warms me when you say you want the Trivium and Classical Education brought back, the aspiration is excellent! I see no videos on rhetoric on your channel, will you ever do any? Where does rhetoric fit for you in terms of importance?
Howdy! Thanks for the comment/question. I have no rhetoric videos yet. It may be a while until I post a rhetoric video, since presently my big focus is in logic (and some math!). My website has an extensive tutorial on logic. It’s not much, though I do have one page currently on rhetoric and I do talk about its importance: amateurlogician.com/trivium-rhetoric/ One book I recommend on the Trivial Logic tutorial is Sister Miriam Joseph’s The Trivium: The Liberal Arts of Logic, Grammar, and Rhetoric: amateurlogician.com/trivium-logic/ She has influenced how I look at logic and rhetoric. Have you studied rhetoric, if I may ask? In what ways do you find a traditional education of value?
@@AmateurLogician Thanks for the site resources. Sister Miriam Joseph's famous book is on one of my lists of books to get, so your reminder of it resonates with me. I've done no formal study of rhetoric, any appreciation that I have for it has seeped into my bones from reading or listening to people who have incredible style in their speech or prose. Humans don't just like that a thing is said, they also like _how_ a thing is said. On the dark side, people with the stupidest arguments can still wield great influence simply because of lies and rhetoric. So, it's a very important branch of study and an important feature of human communication/persuasion. The value of classical education? It just feels more human than the education I grew up with. Sorry to be vague here but that's all I can say. (It doesn't just feel more human, it really is more human.)
@@ClearOutSamskaras You make a lot of good points. Thank you for sharing! I do think that a traditional education is more humane; it’s more philosophical. It addresses, so to speak, our soul. It makes us a more “well-rounded person.” Today’s education is much more mechanical and, once we enter higher education, it becomes so hyper-specialized. I talk a bit about this when I reflect on the importance of writing in this video: www.tiktok.com/@amateurlogician/video/7297497069961661742 Have you heard of Anthony Esolen? He’s one of my favorite liberal arts educators! But, in my own layman way, and despite any formal education I have, I’m trying to help others and myself develop skills in traditional (and modern) logic. Ultimately, I’m trying to develop guides for the entire Trivium and then at least parts of the Quadrivium.
@@AmateurLogicianI've not heard of Esolen, I'll look him up. And thank you again for the links. That mechanized character to modern education that you point out is right on the mark. It definitely has a mechanized character to it. This "mechanized" feel becomes an internalized value and way of life if one totally submits to it during the multi year process of gaining an education. I feel like the negative ramifications of internalizing this mechanization are many (too many to go into here). To speak of one though, possibly the worst consequence of that mechanized approach/internalization is the learner turning into a type of widget themselves. Education is supposed to make you more human, not turn you into a widget or a product.
Going to look into purchasing this book for sure, one note to add - I'm a nobody, take this with a grain of salt or however you want but I think pointing out some of the interesting chapters/sections of the book that you personally enjoyed as opposed to reading each individual chapter/section would provide more value to the listener. I would have liked to know what parts of the book stood out to you most, what you did/didn't like, etc. Like I said, just an idea! Here's a like 👍
I’m a big fan of a more traditional education! Though most of my stuff is on logic, I do plan to expand my website to add more pages on rhetoric and grammar: amateurlogician.com/
I will be buying this book.
I hope you find it helpful!
Just found your channel. I'm looking forward to watching your videos. Cheers from Brazil.
Thank you! Hope you find my channel interesting and useful!
Yes! Let's bring back the Trivium!!!
Yes, our culture and society needs it!
@@AmateurLogician Learning Logic is (as it should be) the first step towards my journey of learning Philosophy, and because of that I'm really glad I discovered your channel.
Life's going to change for the better once I understand the art of Reasoning.
@@Treasure_Tshabalala Cool! Yeah, I love philosophy! Logic is the best way to enter it. It builds foundational reasoning skills. Glad to have you as a viewer! I'm a life-long learner. I did build a (traditional) logic tutorial: amateurlogician.com/trivium-logic/
If you have comments, questions, or suggestions please let me know!
Good luck in your journey!
It warms me when you say you want the Trivium and Classical Education brought back, the aspiration is excellent! I see no videos on rhetoric on your channel, will you ever do any? Where does rhetoric fit for you in terms of importance?
Howdy! Thanks for the comment/question. I have no rhetoric videos yet. It may be a while until I post a rhetoric video, since presently my big focus is in logic (and some math!). My website has an extensive tutorial on logic.
It’s not much, though I do have one page currently on rhetoric and I do talk about its importance: amateurlogician.com/trivium-rhetoric/
One book I recommend on the Trivial Logic tutorial is Sister Miriam Joseph’s The Trivium: The Liberal Arts of Logic, Grammar, and Rhetoric: amateurlogician.com/trivium-logic/
She has influenced how I look at logic and rhetoric.
Have you studied rhetoric, if I may ask? In what ways do you find a traditional education of value?
@@AmateurLogician Thanks for the site resources. Sister Miriam Joseph's famous book is on one of my lists of books to get, so your reminder of it resonates with me.
I've done no formal study of rhetoric, any appreciation that I have for it has seeped into my bones from reading or listening to people who have incredible style in their speech or prose. Humans don't just like that a thing is said, they also like _how_ a thing is said. On the dark side, people with the stupidest arguments can still wield great influence simply because of lies and rhetoric. So, it's a very important branch of study and an important feature of human communication/persuasion.
The value of classical education? It just feels more human than the education I grew up with. Sorry to be vague here but that's all I can say.
(It doesn't just feel more human, it really is more human.)
@@ClearOutSamskaras You make a lot of good points. Thank you for sharing!
I do think that a traditional education is more humane; it’s more philosophical. It addresses, so to speak, our soul. It makes us a more “well-rounded person.”
Today’s education is much more mechanical and, once we enter higher education, it becomes so hyper-specialized.
I talk a bit about this when I reflect on the importance of writing in this video: www.tiktok.com/@amateurlogician/video/7297497069961661742
Have you heard of Anthony Esolen? He’s one of my favorite liberal arts educators!
But, in my own layman way, and despite any formal education I have, I’m trying to help others and myself develop skills in traditional (and modern) logic. Ultimately, I’m trying to develop guides for the entire Trivium and then at least parts of the Quadrivium.
@@AmateurLogicianI've not heard of Esolen, I'll look him up. And thank you again for the links.
That mechanized character to modern education that you point out is right on the mark. It definitely has a mechanized character to it. This "mechanized" feel becomes an internalized value and way of life if one totally submits to it during the multi year process of gaining an education. I feel like the negative ramifications of internalizing this mechanization are many (too many to go into here). To speak of one though, possibly the worst consequence of that mechanized approach/internalization is the learner turning into a type of widget themselves. Education is supposed to make you more human, not turn you into a widget or a product.
Going to look into purchasing this book for sure, one note to add - I'm a nobody, take this with a grain of salt or however you want but I think pointing out some of the interesting chapters/sections of the book that you personally enjoyed as opposed to reading each individual chapter/section would provide more value to the listener. I would have liked to know what parts of the book stood out to you most, what you did/didn't like, etc. Like I said, just an idea! Here's a like 👍
Looks a good book. Will check it out. Best wishes to you and your channel.
I subscribed as soon as I heard you say you want to bring back the Trivium.
I’m a big fan of a more traditional education! Though most of my stuff is on logic, I do plan to expand my website to add more pages on rhetoric and grammar: amateurlogician.com/