Thank you for examining these studies and giving us a layman's interpretation. It's almost a certainty Walter Cronkite would not have fallen for this ridiculous news.
Besides that, the two groups are not even comparable by age, race or smoking. Also the entire study was based on "dietary recall on two 24 hour recall days". And by using the 12-16hr group as reference they have hidden the P-value for that groups results.
Some scientists are getting too involved in juggling numbers, they forget about real world. If that statistic finding was true, we would have seen fasting people or Muslims during Ramadan or generally people restricting calories trying to loose some weight,-dropping dead like flies or hospitals full of those people. This is not happening, it is not real. Although the data is the data, they should look where the error was introduced into the data set to give such an odd result. Perhaps this data tell some other connection they missed in questionnaire, the one that closely related to the e group of intermittent fasting people. Are they more dehydrated? Do they bing eating at the end of the day to the point eyes rolled out. Finding this link will help people to loose weight safely, it is well known restricting calories without proper approach may cause harm to people with certain chronic illnesses
I no longer have any faith in network news media organizations who seem entirely motivated by their ad revenue or other financial concerns rather than facts or informing the public. Thank you for being an actually valuable source of information for us.
If it’s not peer reviewed, it’s not necessarily reliable. A lot of papers were publicized during Covid which upon peer review were found to be garbage.
I'm 70 years old and I have been practicing intermittent fasting for 16 plus hours every day for about 6 years now, and I never felt better. I don't believe any of all that garbage, all is to scare people, the more people stuffed their mouth with food the more fatter they get and the more health problems, and that of course benefits a lot of rich people that of course they want to get more and more. Thanks so much for this video, you were on point 👍
Thanks Steve. I first found out about this early today with a Thomas DeLauer post about it. He used his expertise to debunk the study... and you used yours. It is good for us to be educated in many aspects so that we can intelligently explain why others should not pay and attention to this study.
You had me at six sigma master black belt and regression analysis. 😂 You mentioned Harvard. This is the same school that has been long known for unethical behavior such as research dishonesty and falsification of data (can you say, Ansel Keys?). Now they're embroiled in a bribery scandal. But I digress. Your analysis was spot on. I especially appreciated the statistical geek speak. 😂 The other old saying you could have added was, "When all else fail, manipulate the data."
It was the headline on my local news. I can't tell you how many people said to me "Did you see the news!" So aggravating! And they still believe the news over me. (I did stats for 10 year and love spreadsheets and graphs)
If the stuff you say ISN'T on the NEWS then it isn't important.... OR... If it's on the NEWS then it IS important... That is the context for our easily propagandized society.... And yeah, it IS aggravating.
Steve great video. I learned in college that you can make statistics say what you want. For example 4 out of 5 dentist prefer crest toothpaste. There are a lot of things wrong with this. I agree the AHA and media should have done a better job of review and analysis of this so called study. You are right in that some people will see this and then start condemning those who do IF. Thank you again for this video, it is much appreciated.
Excellent video, your mention on start of 6 sigma perked me right up. Also, good Carson impression, I mean you had me laughing at facepalming but Carson was the comedic cherry on top.
I didn't know your background before today. I'm a former CQE (Certified Quality Engineer) myself, and familiar with a lot of statistical and analytical tools. As soon as you mentioned your 6-Sigma credentials (kinda like a CQE on steroids, for those who don't know), I smiled and got ready to see this study shredded into oblivion!
THANK YOU!!!! I am tired of people cherry picking data to push their agenda. Instead of giving all the data or looking at all the factors relevant, they focus on just what would push their agenda. Smoking, physical activity, what they were eating, family medical history are extremely relevant. 2 interviews in 8-17 years!!! You pointed out just how UNSCIENTIFIC this "study" is. Wonderful question about why the eliminated SOOOOOO many participants. I just LOVE it when people lecture about what in their opinion is wrong with other people's lives instead of focusing their own.
lol. The Universities you mentioned says it all. I did see the article but didn’t read it. I just felt that it was probably BS. I love it when you pick apart these studies. By doing so, you have taught me to look at things more critically. Also I figured that you would be making this video. 😂 Thank you!!!
I’m 70 this year and began IF in November 2023. The day after Thanksgiving. I fast 16 hours. I lost 30 pounds in 6 months. I returned to the gym in February. This is the best I’ve felt in 15 year. I was concerned when I first heard of this study. Thank you for exposing it for what it is. Extremely FLAWED.
Thank you for your analysis. I've been on intermittent fasting and low net carbs for about a year now. I'm off almost all of my BP meds and down 26# at 73. This is the lowest I've weighed since my 50's. I'm sticking with what works for me!
Same. I’ve been doing it for about 2 years after being diagnosed with Diabetes (also 5 years post Breast Cancer) I lost 22kilos my blood sugar is great and I’m only taking blood pressure medication every second day now and I’m hoping to be off that soon too. Works for me and now my husband also does it and he’s lost over 10kilos so far 👍🏻
Thank you for this! I had a friend who reposted the headline from this “ study” when it hit the news waves last week. I set him straight and forwarded your video to him as well. As you point out part of the problem is when these erroneous headlines get broadcast and rebroadcast as ‘truth’ it just serves to perpetuate this lack of objective science when it comes to dietary studies.
Saw this pop up yesterday on another big keto Chanel I used to subscribe to and wasn't surprised to hear him say we must take notice as it is the heart Foundation . I didn't watch all his video but did yours and pretty much have the same view as you but without all the 6sigma stuff to confirm my thoughts. I put this "news" in the same bin as that eating red meat gives you diabetes study. I will continue my intermittent fasting and take my chances 👍
Thank you Steve! I have lost 3” since starting IF about a year ago, but most important I stopped man-made Sugars (by any name). I am 71 and feel MUCH better, sleep better, more energy, I don’t have foggy mind, no arthritic aches and pains. My ‘rule’ is never to eat for 15 -17 hours after the last food I’ve eaten which is meats and low carb unprocessed foods! I will NEVER give up what works for me. Many many thanks to you and two other TH-camrs that I respect and admire as ‘Truthers’ as I like to call you. Thanks again! And I appreciate your ability to define and explain the important facts in detail! ❤❤
I saw the study and was interested. Notwithstanding the fact that keto and fasting have absolutely cured my hypertension and diabetes, I saw the Chinese source and quit reading. Thanks for summarizing Steve!!
Thank you for pointing out the statistics on the smokers in the study. I worked as an RN on a cardiothoracic surgery unit smf we would tell the patients that if they failed to quit smoking they would likely end up on the OR table having a second bypass surgery within five years. I actually did have a patient who had a triple bypass and two years later he was back and had a double bypass....he failed to quit smoking. The AHA is well versed in this and I have a theory that there are so many people reaping the benefits of the Keto and Carnivore lifestyles that they're losing customers. Afterall, cardiac surgery is big business. I love that there are MDs like Dr. Philip Ovedia who promote prevention instead of medicines and surgery.
I'm a math teacher and I'd love to use this for my intro stats class. And for all those students who whine, "But when will I ever use this stuff?". Lol. Thanks for the great work explaining how to interpret this information.
From what I have heard previously the study looks at how people eat over many years... in the past BEFORE intermittent fasting was a thing. The people were asked when and how often they ate over that period. No other questions were asked... not WHAT they ate, whether they smoked, drank or used illicit drugs... Well I know that alcoholics I know eat rarely, they mostly drink their food... same with illicit drug users... Neither do people who work 12-16 hours a day... This "study" appears to be written in order to get names into publication so they do not lose funding...
Beyond thankful for your work and words on this. Now I’m armed and ready for next onslaught of doubters in my life. You know, you would think my two plus years of success (down 85 lbs, off all meds) on this WOE would be enough. Sigh. Apparently still not enough evidence for them. Thanks again.
Good job breaking this down Steve. I have not done any fasting, but if I do, I won't be concerned about that study. If anything, I do the opposite of what they try to scare us from.
Wow. I consider you a statistic/ data expert. Thank you!! I will be saving this video for reference for those who will stake all their thinking based on media frenzy
Well dissected. I was particularly concerned about the lack of attention to other factors that were as strongly or more strongly correlated to all cause mortality. There is also a MAJOR issue with self selection bias in the participant selection. Good job Steve.
Couple other TH-camrs talked about the study but you broke it down further. As you said no mention of types or amounts of food. Also, no control group. Thanks for expanding it with your expertise.
I’m glad you addressed this study for people, Steve, and I hope they listen. I taught research methods and statistics at a college for 30 years, and like you, I’d want people to know that they ought not to pay much attention to it. I’m glad the students (because that’s what they were-or I miss my guess) did the study, but I hope they keep going and have the equipment to do a real experimental study. This study is not that. First of all, it’s a poster, which means that it (a) either does not have sufficiently good results to get published (maybe ever), or (b) it’s preliminary and part of a bigger study or ongoing research. In short, it’s some little finding that was sufficient to help a beginning researcher get a notch in his or her belt. Second, and much more importantly, it’s essentially correlational (even though it “looks” like an experiment). You cannot draw inferences about causation from a correlational study. The researchers merely measured. The likelihood is that the people in their particular study were already coronary-prone. (I see, looking back, that you pointed that out in the comments.) And that makes perfect sense, since a lot of people who fast are doing it to lose weight! I would not expect any other finding, and it certainly would not prevent me from fasting. Let’s see some studies on the benefits of fasting-some good studies-and see who wins. I wish people, especially in the media, which loves to report this kind of stuff, would learn how research really works, and how to report it. (I wish everyone understood research methods!) I enjoyed hearing about your background, too-I suspected you did work like you described. It’s nice to hear the details. One last thing-looking at the abstract, it seemed to me that the researchers are not necessarily condemning fasting. Their conclusion seems to be, rather, that the 16:8 fasting schedule may not be sufficient. But it’s moot, if the study isn’t experimental.
I appreciate very much what you brought to the pushback on this overly-headlined unpublished work. Your addition completed what the other folks had to say. Thanks
HI Steve, Thank you for this video and all the other great information you you put on your vlog and channel. It's just silly that they would have even posted this. I am a Technical Analyst, and like you, it's always about the details on how the data was derived. kudos + 5-stars Steve.. vlog on!
Love your analysis and your Johnny Carson improvisation 😅. Good job breaking down the statistics that didn’t make sense to me either. Thank you so much!
This is the best break down I've seen! And you explained the it so that even I could understand!!! I hope you do more breakdowns like this. I really liked it!
Steve, OMG I felt like I was back in statistics class. LSS is still used in my office. Thanks for the informative Podcast. As always I value your opinion and will look further into this. As a cancer survivor, diabetic with hypertension.... I do IF frequently. I always start at 12/12 and then reduce down to 4/20.
THANK YOU!!!! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this Steve!! 😊😊 For folks like me whose brain starts melting when I try to understand studies or clinical trials or things of that nature, this video helps immensely to have it broken down the way you did. So again, sincere thanks to you! 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for your detailed analysis of this so-called "study" and for "geeking out". The lack of information for a "scientific" study is astounding! (I am embarrassed that Harvard and UMass (my Alma Mater- though not the Lowell campus) would have their institutions associated with this "study".) And, why, knowing that the media will run with a story that is sensational, even if not strictly factual, would the AHA publish these "findings", even with the caveat that it wasn't coming from them? Indeed, I am now armed to refute the arguments of those who have made conclusions based on what they have seen in the media. For that, Steve, I thank you. I cannot afford to stop IM now. I am diabetic have lost more than 25 lbs, and brought my A1c down more than 4 points since starting IM and Keto 5 months ago.
Thank you so much, Steve. I saw those headlines, too, and I intended to take the time to find some real research. You've done all of the heavy lifting for me! Your analysis makes sense, and even with what little I remember from a first-year-university statistics course a billion years ago, I see serious flaws in the study design. I think I'll carry on with my eight-hour window.
Hey Steve, thanks for your in-depth review of this. I saw the headlines, went to the study and once I saw how it was conducted I just stopped. Was not worth my time to continue on.
Since I'm doing intermittent fasting right now, I was really interested in this. I appreciate you not editorializing, so if you'll allow me... When the institutions performing the study come from Wuhan and a bunch of Ivy league schools, I already start to doubt. When the eating time period is half a day, I'm not sure where the intermittent part comes in. And the doubt level rises. I'm not a math person (I bombed statistics twice in college), so I appreciate you explaining that part. What this study DOES prove, however, is that investigative journalism is dead. (And this is coming from a guy who works in the news media!) Great video, please keep them coming!
Thanks Steve! I've been waiting for you to come out with this video! It sounds like they did adjust the NHANES data for a number of factors like smoking, drinking, education, income, BMI, diet quality score, and quite a few other factors. A channel called Nutrition Made Simple does a really good scientific breakdown of this study for anyone who wants to check it out. For me, the study just doesn't pass the common sense rule and a big part of that goes to your point that the majority of human history we had to be on time restricted eating due to a variety of factors that you mentioned and I will add to your list, often times we just didn't have food readily available all the time.
Great analysis of this flawed poster. It’s truly sad how quickly the media jumps on non-news like this and totally ignores real issues. Thanks, Steve, for your intelligent review.
Thank you! It is so refreshing to hear someone look at modern research and call it for what it is. People need to weed through the double speak, look at who funded the research and as you are able to- read through the lines of statistics. Even more slap my head silly are the people who will take it for face value. Sad.
There are two sources I rely on for thoughtful insights, information, and product reviews related to a ketogenic lifestyle-- you and Thomas DeLauer. Oddly enough when I finished watching this post, Thomas had a similar post pop up on my feed which I plan to watch next. You basically say what I was thinking during your video related to what was being eaten by the participants, peer review, etc. I have a master's degree in a field heavily driven by scientific evidence-based practice which required two statistics courses and reading hundreds of studies each semester for the last three years of study. I'm troubled that information from sources which make dangerous and apparent ersatz assumptions which some people will pay attention to and believe...is just frightening. That being said thank you for your break down of this information, and diligence in bringing some common sense to what I see as attacks on our ketogenic lifestyle. Researchers know this kind of BS gets clicks because keto has blown up since 2015 and anything they can do to pony onto this population for attention is in my mind irresponsible.
Fantastic analysis of the data. I'm so tired of people hearing about some study and make health decisions based on those poorly constructed studies and not science.
Most science is preliminary or exploratory. Then you retest and do a better job to see if your theory is correct. The news and public need a boot camp on how that works. Your garbage in, garbage out summary was great!
Great breakdown. I saw it but was too busy to spend anytime looking at it. Thanks sharing for your experience regarding these studies or want to be studies.
Funny that they say the long term effects are unknown... As a Catholic going through Lent right now, I look back at 2,000 years of faithful Catholics fasting for for 40 days every year in imitation of Jesus's 40 day fast...not to mention the centuries filled with saintly monks and religious Orders where fasting is/was a way of life.
Thank you! I've seen a few headlines about intermittent fasting being dangerous and I didn't bother to check them out. I suspected that it was one of THOSE kinds of studies. Anyone can do a so called study. It seems that it's getting harder to filter through all the fake information. I'm just going to stick with the natural methods of staying healthy that I've learned over the years. I appreciate people like you who keep fighting to make more accurate information available.
Thank you Steve for this educated evaluation of intermittent fasting. Most of us intermittent fast every night. Let’s say you eat dinner at 7 o’clock at night and you’re not a snacker so you don’t eat again until about 8 o’clock in the morning so you went 13 hours without eating. Now, isn’t that intermittent fasting? 🤷♀️ I personally don’t feel it is dangerous unless one has diabetes or other blood sugar issues. That is why everyone says check with your doctor before doing any diet. ❤️
Thanks for your expertise in looking at the study. As a member of the low carb community I thought it was BS but I appreciate the statistical analysis.
You are the best!! I knew this was fake news when I heard the title, but it takes someone with actual knowledge, like yourself, to actually educate. Believing this malarkey is like believing in the standard American diet. SO SAD (pun intended)!!
Interestingly, if you look at the percentage of individuals with CVD as pre-existing condition, you'll see that for the
Thank you for examining these studies and giving us a layman's interpretation. It's almost a certainty Walter Cronkite would not have fallen for this ridiculous news.
Besides that, the two groups are not even comparable by age, race or smoking. Also the entire study was based on "dietary recall on two 24 hour recall days". And by using the 12-16hr group as reference they have hidden the P-value for that groups results.
When you put it that way, it almost sounds like they're deriving a therapeutic benefit from it at a non-zero rate
Some scientists are getting too involved in juggling numbers, they forget about real world. If that statistic finding was true, we would have seen fasting people or Muslims during Ramadan or generally people restricting calories trying to loose some weight,-dropping dead like flies or hospitals full of those people. This is not happening, it is not real. Although the data is the data, they should look where the error was introduced into the data set to give such an odd result. Perhaps this data tell some other connection they missed in questionnaire, the one that closely related to the e group of intermittent fasting people. Are they more dehydrated? Do they bing eating at the end of the day to the point eyes rolled out. Finding this link will help people to loose weight safely, it is well known restricting calories without proper approach may cause harm to people with certain chronic illnesses
I no longer have any faith in network news media organizations who seem entirely motivated by their ad revenue or other financial concerns rather than facts or informing the public. Thank you for being an actually valuable source of information for us.
In the last few years we have come to learn that lots of papers from the medical community are not reliable….it’s 😞 sad! Thanks Steve ❤
There's good and bad in everything. It has to all be examined critically.
not with GOV data they cant even run a web site...........loppy
If it’s not peer reviewed, it’s not necessarily reliable. A lot of papers were publicized during Covid which upon peer review were found to be garbage.
I'm 70 years old and I have been practicing intermittent fasting for 16 plus hours every day for about 6 years now, and I never felt better. I don't believe any of all that garbage, all is to scare people, the more people stuffed their mouth with food the more fatter they get and the more health problems, and that of course benefits a lot of rich people that of course they want to get more and more. Thanks so much for this video, you were on point 👍
Thanks Steve. I first found out about this early today with a Thomas DeLauer post about it. He used his expertise to debunk the study... and you used yours. It is good for us to be educated in many aspects so that we can intelligently explain why others should not pay and attention to this study.
You had me at six sigma master black belt and regression analysis. 😂 You mentioned Harvard. This is the same school that has been long known for unethical behavior such as research dishonesty and falsification of data (can you say, Ansel Keys?). Now they're embroiled in a bribery scandal. But I digress. Your analysis was spot on. I especially appreciated the statistical geek speak. 😂 The other old saying you could have added was, "When all else fail, manipulate the data."
I snort laughed at the Johnny Carson impersonation
It was one of those things I wasn’t prepared to have happen, otherwise I would have come up with a joke. 😉
It was the headline on my local news. I can't tell you how many people said to me "Did you see the news!" So aggravating! And they still believe the news over me. (I did stats for 10 year and love spreadsheets and graphs)
If the stuff you say ISN'T on the NEWS then it isn't important.... OR... If it's on the NEWS then it IS important... That is the context for our easily propagandized society....
And yeah, it IS aggravating.
I appreciate your statistical geek moments, as well as your challenge of the non-sciency aspects of the study.
Steve great video. I learned in college that you can make statistics say what you want. For example 4 out of 5 dentist prefer crest toothpaste. There are a lot of things wrong with this. I agree the AHA and media should have done a better job of review and analysis of this so called study. You are right in that some people will see this and then start condemning those who do IF. Thank you again for this video, it is much appreciated.
Excellent video, your mention on start of 6 sigma perked me right up. Also, good Carson impression, I mean you had me laughing at facepalming but Carson was the comedic cherry on top.
I didn't know your background before today. I'm a former CQE (Certified Quality Engineer) myself, and familiar with a lot of statistical and analytical tools. As soon as you mentioned your 6-Sigma credentials (kinda like a CQE on steroids, for those who don't know), I smiled and got ready to see this study shredded into oblivion!
Good analysis! As a former researcher you covered all points of weaknesses.
THANK YOU!!!! I am tired of people cherry picking data to push their agenda. Instead of giving all the data or looking at all the factors relevant, they focus on just what would push their agenda. Smoking, physical activity, what they were eating, family medical history are extremely relevant. 2 interviews in 8-17 years!!! You pointed out just how UNSCIENTIFIC this "study" is. Wonderful question about why the eliminated SOOOOOO many participants. I just LOVE it when people lecture about what in their opinion is wrong with other people's lives instead of focusing their own.
lol. The Universities you mentioned says it all. I did see the article but didn’t read it. I just felt that it was probably BS. I love it when you pick apart these studies. By doing so, you have taught me to look at things more critically. Also I figured that you would be making this video. 😂 Thank you!!!
I’m 70 this year and began IF in November 2023. The day after Thanksgiving. I fast 16 hours. I lost 30 pounds in 6 months. I returned to the gym in February. This is the best I’ve felt in 15 year. I was concerned when I first heard of this study. Thank you for exposing it for what it is. Extremely FLAWED.
Thank you for your analysis. I've been on intermittent fasting and low net carbs for about a year now. I'm off almost all of my BP meds and down 26# at 73. This is the lowest I've weighed since my 50's. I'm sticking with what works for me!
👍🏻 well done!
Same. I’ve been doing it for about 2 years after being diagnosed with Diabetes (also 5 years post Breast Cancer) I lost 22kilos my blood sugar is great and I’m only taking blood pressure medication every second day now and I’m hoping to be off that soon too. Works for me and now my husband also does it and he’s lost over 10kilos so far 👍🏻
Thank you for this! I had a friend who reposted the headline from this “ study” when it hit the news waves last week. I set him straight and forwarded your video to him as well. As you point out part of the problem is when these erroneous headlines get broadcast and rebroadcast as ‘truth’ it just serves to perpetuate this lack of objective science when it comes to dietary studies.
"Science" like this is why people lose faith in institutions. Thank you for this update!
Saw this pop up yesterday on another big keto Chanel I used to subscribe to and wasn't surprised to hear him say we must take notice as it is the heart Foundation .
I didn't watch all his video but did yours and pretty much have the same view as you but without all the 6sigma stuff to confirm my thoughts.
I put this "news" in the same bin as that eating red meat gives you diabetes study.
I will continue my intermittent fasting and take my chances 👍
I'm a R&D Engineer and spend all day looking at and analyzing data. Thanks for the detailed statistical analysis!!
Thank you Steve! I have lost 3” since starting IF about a year ago, but most important I stopped man-made Sugars (by any name). I am 71 and feel MUCH better, sleep better, more energy, I don’t have foggy mind, no arthritic aches and pains. My ‘rule’ is never to eat for 15 -17 hours after the last food I’ve eaten which is meats and low carb unprocessed foods! I will NEVER give up what works for me. Many many thanks to you and two other TH-camrs that I respect and admire as ‘Truthers’ as I like to call you. Thanks again! And I appreciate your ability to define and explain the important facts in detail! ❤❤
I saw the study and was interested. Notwithstanding the fact that keto and fasting have absolutely cured my hypertension and diabetes, I saw the Chinese source and quit reading. Thanks for summarizing Steve!!
Thank you for pointing out the statistics on the smokers in the study. I worked as an RN on a cardiothoracic surgery unit smf we would tell the patients that if they failed to quit smoking they would likely end up on the OR table having a second bypass surgery within five years. I actually did have a patient who had a triple bypass and two years later he was back and had a double bypass....he failed to quit smoking. The AHA is well versed in this and I have a theory that there are so many people reaping the benefits of the Keto and Carnivore lifestyles that they're losing customers. Afterall, cardiac surgery is big business.
I love that there are MDs like Dr. Philip Ovedia who promote prevention instead of medicines and surgery.
Super good video. I hope some of the other "keto" channels will link to this for your sake!
I'm a math teacher and I'd love to use this for my intro stats class. And for all those students who whine, "But when will I ever use this stuff?". Lol. Thanks for the great work explaining how to interpret this information.
From what I have heard previously the study looks at how people eat over many years... in the past BEFORE intermittent fasting was a thing. The people were asked when and how often they ate over that period. No other questions were asked... not WHAT they ate, whether they smoked, drank or used illicit drugs... Well I know that alcoholics I know eat rarely, they mostly drink their food... same with illicit drug users... Neither do people who work 12-16 hours a day... This "study" appears to be written in order to get names into publication so they do not lose funding...
Math teacher here with my popcorn soaking up all those Stats facts!! ❤😊 Excellent review and analysis!!
We won't ever stop!
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In addition to what they were eating one of my first questions was what was the starting health of the participants.
Did they have a couple experimental gene therapies along with a b00 ster?
Beyond thankful for your work and words on this. Now I’m armed and ready for next onslaught of doubters in my life. You know, you would think my two plus years of success (down 85 lbs, off all meds) on this WOE would be enough. Sigh. Apparently still not enough evidence for them. Thanks again.
Thank you for taking all of your time to research this subject. We all here at your TH-cam channel so appreciate it.
You nailed this. Every comment you made especially.
Good job breaking this down Steve. I have not done any fasting, but if I do, I won't be concerned about that study. If anything, I do the opposite of what they try to scare us from.
Wow. I consider you a statistic/ data expert. Thank you!! I will be saving this video for reference for those who will stake all their thinking based on media frenzy
Thank you sir for the analysis. Wish more people would pay attention instead of jumping straight to conclusions.
Well dissected. I was particularly concerned about the lack of attention to other factors that were as strongly or more strongly correlated to all cause mortality. There is also a MAJOR issue with self selection bias in the participant selection. Good job Steve.
WOW, thanks so much for applying your experience and analytical mind to help us all make sense of this!
Couple other TH-camrs talked about the study but you broke it down further.
As you said no mention of types or amounts of food. Also, no control group. Thanks for expanding it with your expertise.
I knew you would break this down when I read the original news report!! Thank you!
I’m glad you addressed this study for people, Steve, and I hope they listen. I taught research methods and statistics at a college for 30 years, and like you, I’d want people to know that they ought not to pay much attention to it. I’m glad the students (because that’s what they were-or I miss my guess) did the study, but I hope they keep going and have the equipment to do a real experimental study. This study is not that. First of all, it’s a poster, which means that it (a) either does not have sufficiently good results to get published (maybe ever), or (b) it’s preliminary and part of a bigger study or ongoing research. In short, it’s some little finding that was sufficient to help a beginning researcher get a notch in his or her belt. Second, and much more importantly, it’s essentially correlational (even though it “looks” like an experiment). You cannot draw inferences about causation from a correlational study. The researchers merely measured. The likelihood is that the people in their particular study were already coronary-prone. (I see, looking back, that you pointed that out in the comments.) And that makes perfect sense, since a lot of people who fast are doing it to lose weight! I would not expect any other finding, and it certainly would not prevent me from fasting. Let’s see some studies on the benefits of fasting-some good studies-and see who wins. I wish people, especially in the media, which loves to report this kind of stuff, would learn how research really works, and how to report it. (I wish everyone understood research methods!) I enjoyed hearing about your background, too-I suspected you did work like you described. It’s nice to hear the details. One last thing-looking at the abstract, it seemed to me that the researchers are not necessarily condemning fasting. Their conclusion seems to be, rather, that the 16:8 fasting schedule may not be sufficient. But it’s moot, if the study isn’t experimental.
Very well done, Steve!!!!
I've just started intermittent fasting so I'm relieved by your breakdown of this "study".
You're awesome Steve!!!
I appreciate very much what you brought to the pushback on this overly-headlined unpublished work. Your addition completed what the other folks had to say. Thanks
Great article review, and a very good Johnny Carson impersonation! Thank you!
Brilliant review!❤
HI Steve, Thank you for this video and all the other great information you you put on your vlog and channel. It's just silly that they would have even posted this. I am a Technical Analyst, and like you, it's always about the details on how the data was derived. kudos + 5-stars Steve.. vlog on!
great Johnny impression BTW.
Love your analysis and your Johnny Carson improvisation 😅. Good job breaking down the statistics that didn’t make sense to me either. Thank you so much!
Well done! Thanks for confirming what I had already figured out. Its a real face palm for sure.
Brilliant. Just brilliant. I can’t possibly say it any better than your other commenters. Love the geekiness. 😊
Thanks for breaking this down for us Steve, appreciate your time and opinion I also loved the Johnny Carson bit. 😊
This is the best break down I've seen! And you explained the it so that even I could understand!!! I hope you do more breakdowns like this. I really liked it!
Steve, OMG I felt like I was back in statistics class. LSS is still used in my office. Thanks for the informative Podcast. As always I value your opinion and will look further into this. As a cancer survivor, diabetic with hypertension.... I do IF frequently. I always start at 12/12 and then reduce down to 4/20.
Thank you Steve for the analysis!
THANK YOU!!!! Thank you so much for taking the time to do this Steve!! 😊😊 For folks like me whose brain starts melting when I try to understand studies or clinical trials or things of that nature, this video helps immensely to have it broken down the way you did. So again, sincere thanks to you! 🙏🙏🙏
Wonderful breakdown of that survey.
Thank you for your detailed analysis of this so-called "study" and for "geeking out". The lack of information for a "scientific" study is astounding! (I am embarrassed that Harvard and UMass (my Alma Mater- though not the Lowell campus) would have their institutions associated with this "study".) And, why, knowing that the media will run with a story that is sensational, even if not strictly factual, would the AHA publish these "findings", even with the caveat that it wasn't coming from them? Indeed, I am now armed to refute the arguments of those who have made conclusions based on what they have seen in the media. For that, Steve, I thank you. I cannot afford to stop IM now. I am diabetic have lost more than 25 lbs, and brought my A1c down more than 4 points since starting IM and Keto 5 months ago.
Thanks for the great debunk!
Great review of the study. Thank you!
Thanks so much for doing all this work for us. It’s very valuable
Great job, Steve! You made all these numbers understandable. Thanks for the lesson in statistics.
This is why I love your channel. 🙏
Your evaluation includes much more than other TH-camrs on same topic. Very insightful, very helpful, and well articulated! TY!
Thank you so much, Steve. I saw those headlines, too, and I intended to take the time to find some real research. You've done all of the heavy lifting for me! Your analysis makes sense, and even with what little I remember from a first-year-university statistics course a billion years ago, I see serious flaws in the study design. I think I'll carry on with my eight-hour window.
Hey Steve, thanks for your in-depth review of this. I saw the headlines, went to the study and once I saw how it was conducted I just stopped. Was not worth my time to continue on.
Statistics hurts my right-brained noggin! Thanks for educating in an easy to understand way!
Wow, Steve, thanks for sharing the truth, not more lies! Have a blessed week 💜🙏✌️💐🎶🌞
Thanks Steve, very informative. I appreciate you sharing
Great statistical analysis! I appreciate your effort in debunking this flawed study
One of your best Podcasts Mr. 6Sigma 👍
I like that title better than "chaffle guy". 😉
Thanks, Steve! Best overview on this. ‘ tater tots in canola oil’ made me laugh 😂- your sense of humor is the best!
Since I'm doing intermittent fasting right now, I was really interested in this. I appreciate you not editorializing, so if you'll allow me... When the institutions performing the study come from Wuhan and a bunch of Ivy league schools, I already start to doubt. When the eating time period is half a day, I'm not sure where the intermittent part comes in. And the doubt level rises. I'm not a math person (I bombed statistics twice in college), so I appreciate you explaining that part. What this study DOES prove, however, is that investigative journalism is dead. (And this is coming from a guy who works in the news media!)
Great video, please keep them coming!
Thanks Steve! I've been waiting for you to come out with this video! It sounds like they did adjust the NHANES data for a number of factors like smoking, drinking, education, income, BMI, diet quality score, and quite a few other factors. A channel called Nutrition Made Simple does a really good scientific breakdown of this study for anyone who wants to check it out. For me, the study just doesn't pass the common sense rule and a big part of that goes to your point that the majority of human history we had to be on time restricted eating due to a variety of factors that you mentioned and I will add to your list, often times we just didn't have food readily available all the time.
Wow!!! Soooo interesting…we REALLY need to be discerning about these things! Thanks for giving a more truthful picture.
Thank you for your serious attention to this matter. I thought it was a bit skewed when I fi4st saw it.
A lot of the time when I see a study like this I try to look for these points.
Another great informative trustworthy podcast and why we all like Steve! Thank you again.
Great video. Reminds me of many things Kendrick explains in "The Clot Thickens".
Great analysis of this flawed poster. It’s truly sad how quickly the media jumps on non-news like this and totally ignores real issues. Thanks, Steve, for your intelligent review.
Thank you! It is so refreshing to hear someone look at modern research and call it for what it is. People need to weed through the double speak, look at who funded the research and as you are able to- read through the lines of statistics. Even more slap my head silly are the people who will take it for face value. Sad.
There are two sources I rely on for thoughtful insights, information, and product reviews related to a ketogenic lifestyle-- you and Thomas DeLauer. Oddly enough when I finished watching this post, Thomas had a similar post pop up on my feed which I plan to watch next. You basically say what I was thinking during your video related to what was being eaten by the participants, peer review, etc. I have a master's degree in a field heavily driven by scientific evidence-based practice which required two statistics courses and reading hundreds of studies each semester for the last three years of study. I'm troubled that information from sources which make dangerous and apparent ersatz assumptions which some people will pay attention to and believe...is just frightening. That being said thank you for your break down of this information, and diligence in bringing some common sense to what I see as attacks on our ketogenic lifestyle. Researchers know this kind of BS gets clicks because keto has blown up since 2015 and anything they can do to pony onto this population for attention is in my mind irresponsible.
Fantastic analysis of the data. I'm so tired of people hearing about some study and make health decisions based on those poorly constructed studies and not science.
Thanks for taking the time to break down the study and prove it wrong. I appreciate you.
It was preliminary data that the news run amok with as it does. Thank you for your careful analysis!
Most science is preliminary or exploratory. Then you retest and do a better job to see if your theory is correct. The news and public need a boot camp on how that works. Your garbage in, garbage out summary was great!
Awesome. Explains so much about your systematic approach. 👍
Geek to geek. Geek away!
BTW. OT your hair looks great this morning.
I normally turn off the light right above my head (about 8 inches is all). I forgot this time, but thank you for the compliment. 😊
That was great Steve, I enjoyed your take on this study! very informative👍
Excellent review! Thanks Steve
Great breakdown. I saw it but was too busy to spend anytime looking at it. Thanks sharing for your experience regarding these studies or want to be studies.
Thank you. Excellent analysis!
Funny that they say the long term effects are unknown...
As a Catholic going through Lent right now, I look back at 2,000 years of faithful Catholics fasting for for 40 days every year in imitation of Jesus's 40 day fast...not to mention the centuries filled with saintly monks and religious Orders where fasting is/was a way of life.
Plus members of almost all religions fast, not just Christianity.
@@ellalella1Quite so!
👏well done, as usual👍
Love your term "face palming".. so applicable to so many situations 😂❤
Thank you! I've seen a few headlines about intermittent fasting being dangerous and I didn't bother to check them out. I suspected that it was one of THOSE kinds of studies. Anyone can do a so called study. It seems that it's getting harder to filter through all the fake information. I'm just going to stick with the natural methods of staying healthy that I've learned over the years. I appreciate people like you who keep fighting to make more accurate information available.
After 20 years at GE Aircraft, your blackbelt reference gave me the chills 😆
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Thank you Steve for this educated evaluation of intermittent fasting. Most of us intermittent fast every night. Let’s say you eat dinner at 7 o’clock at night and you’re not a snacker so you don’t eat again until about 8 o’clock in the morning so you went 13 hours without eating. Now, isn’t that intermittent fasting? 🤷♀️ I personally don’t feel it is dangerous unless one has diabetes or other blood sugar issues. That is why everyone says check with your doctor before doing any diet. ❤️
Thanks for your expertise in looking at the study. As a member of the low carb community I thought it was BS but I appreciate the statistical analysis.
You are the best!! I knew this was fake news when I heard the title, but it takes someone with actual knowledge, like yourself, to actually educate. Believing this malarkey is like believing in the standard American diet. SO SAD (pun intended)!!