I actually built a full rare earth magnet slide when I first got into PMs - and was quickly disillusioned when much of my common house change slid just as slowly as silver did.
That's because all US coins except for 35%, 40%, and 90% silver coins, 1943 steel pennies, and post-82 zinc pennies have a high percentage, above 75%, of copper and therefore diamagnetic.
Yes, it is a good screening test. And if the coin has a copper core, it either weighs less than an authentic or has different dimensions because Cu is not as dense as Ag.
You have to couple the slide test with size and weight. Sure copper is diamagnetic, but a coin made out of it will be significantly off on either size or weight. (your fake one is noticeably bigger) They will also slide down a magnetic slide at different rates so having a reference is important.
Actually the fake one is the same diameter its just lighter. But I made this video because I had people telling me they just use a magnet... nothing else.
@@SilverSeeker but it’s perfectly sound logic though. If it’s made a copper, it will be either 86% lighter, or 17% larger, or a mix between those two. I guess this highlights that likely no single test is accurate and requires a minimum of two unique forms of measurement to determine validity. Anyway, I still appreciated your video. Thank you.
Bring a rare earth magnet, a scale, and a ruler (a sound test app is also good). You will also need the information of the coin that you are purchasing (weight and measurements). A fake may pass one of the tests, but not all of them
What was the weight and dimensions of the Fake Silver coin that passed the magnet test? Surely the dimensions (using calipers) and the weight would differ enough?
OWWW.....that hurt ....lol great video, you did a perfect job explaining how this works. Definately another option for checking your silver. Thanks for sharing. SALUTE>
Pure or coin silver will make a fairly drastic eddy current test. To do so space a rosette of rare earth magnets spaced about 2x the target coin thickness. A silver coin will act like it is falling through molasses. So will other metals like copper, but silver is a bit slower. It is a quick test to test for plated. Another way to use a magnet is that for metals of similar density it requires a nickel layer that will attract a small re magnet to the coin. 🤓
This video is mislabeled I think it should say "why you shouldn't trust the silver magnet test on BULLION" this won't work on a necklace or a ring or something the sure fire way is call around to jewelry or pawn stores and ask if they have one of those handheld xray testers they tell you the exact percentages of the metal content in them....most good jewelry and pawn stores have them now!
I thought the "pocket pinger" has that built-in plastic extrusion to strike the coin so you don't need to use any external stick, pen, whatever. Or...is there a reason you don't use the built-in striker? edited to fix typo edited to be more precise
just weigh the coins and measure them. If the copper coin is the same size it will be much lighter than 31 grams. Silver eagles should be ~ 3 mm thick, very easy to measure with a pair of calipers
Unlike gold, silver has a specific gravity that is fakeable. Lead is denser than silver, copper, tin, and zinc are lighter. So there's a ratio where an alloy of copper and lead that has the same density as silver. But is that alloy diamagnetic?
Just getting into this topic, but I already figured out that the the 925 and magnet tests can be bypassed/faked. The problem is that people just repeat what they've read online and never take time to do research on the basics. But as always, I'm always the exception and not the norm. To answer your question, yes. Going back to the "basics" copper is diamagnetic while tin and zinc are not magnetic.
Silver is a good thermal conductor. So if you put an ice cube on top of your silver item, then the ice cube will start to melt quickly. An ice cube placed on silver will melt quicker than on iron and a little quicker than on copper.
This is new to me. I have seen brokers just use a magnet to see if something that should not be magnetic, sticks to a magnet, but have only seen them use other testing methods to verify precious metals and purity.
My father in law left my kids each a couple silver morgans when he passed. All fake. 2 of them were in the right weight range while the other 2 were way light. All failed the ping test 😌. It was enough to get us all into collecting coins tho. Great video!
Just getting into this topic, but I already figured out that the the 925 and magnet tests can be bypassed/faked. The problem is that people just repeat what they've read online and never take time to do research on the basics. But as always, I'm always the exception and not the norm.
I don't know why I watch this video I guess I find it entertaining I bought a sigma metaletics detector when I first got into silver. Best thing I ever did I bought a fake Platinum coin and I got a refund I paid like $900
Ok so you’re an expert. Lets see if you even have time to get back to someone in your comments. Ok here goes…i dont want to rely on cell phones or any kind of technology that can just….go out when it wants. I want an iron clad way of spotting fakes. I don’t care if it may be more expensive, I just want the end all be all test for my piece of mind. What is the old school 💯 way of determining frauds for our piece of mind???
Its so bad I won't buy except from a reputable dealer, which I don't have in my area so I will order from SD or other bullion dealer. Its not worth getting ripped off.
Yahshua -- you know Him as Jesus -- was born to a virgin, turned water to wine, taught, healed the sick, raised the dead, casted out demons, walked on water, and calmed the storm, among many other things. He was killed on the cross as payment for the sins of all mankind, three days later He rose from the dead. Forty days later He ascended into heaven where He sits at the right hand of the Father. He is returning very soon, but before He does, Satan, the devil, is coming to pretend to be Jesus/God. Satan is an angel, and he will have certain supernatural powers with which to try to fool everyone. He will, for example, be able to make fire come down from heaven in the sight of men. He will only be on earth a short time before the real King of Kings, Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, returns. When the real Jesus comes we will all be transformed into our spiritual bodies at the same moment. Jesus came in the flesh to offer forgiveness of sins and eternal life to anyone who believes and calls on His precious name! Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat. But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial. Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her. - Matthew 26:6-13
Good advice overall, but your title "Why You Shouldn't Trust the Silver Magnet Test" is a little clickbaity. The people in the comments weren't necessarily saying use the magnet test and only the magnet test. It's a simple test that you can include in a number of other simple tests. For example, a silver plated copper ASE that passes a magnet test, will flunk weight and/or dimension tests, the ping test, and likely a visual inspection as well. I have never came across anyone saying you should only test with a magnet, and nothing else. That being said, if an ASE sticks to a magnet like it's made of steel, then you can "trust the silver magnet test" and you might as well just skip any other tests. If it passes, you can trust the result, i.e. that it's diamagnetic, but as you noted, that doesn't mean it's definitely legit. Note the result and move on to your next test.
Testing the mass of a coin is highly reliable, very inexpensive, and repeatable. A jeweler's scale, an appropriately sized vessel filled with water, dental floss or thread, and a calculator are all that are required. It does take a little more time to perform and requires getting your coin wet, but I consider this test a valuable tool in my verification "toolkit".
Use multiple but Weight + Magnet isn't enough, I'd at least at the ring test to that also. Additionally if it's a government issue like an Eagle I'd also check the size and thickness with a pair of calipers.
I have counterfeit non-silver coins that give the same ping as silver coins. The solution is to use a balance and the ramp test as metals with other densities will weigh more or less.
doing these test and the specific gravity test with water and a scale seems like it would be more that sufficient to prove the quality of the silver and even the % silver. So I guess no one needs a sigma device. 🙂
Sigma provides speed AND accuracy. Specific gravity test is slow and messy so if you're testing a lot of items at once the Sigma is definitely useful. But is it NEEDED? No
I'm going to get a magnet for testing ! I already have the Pocket Pinger. Have a metric/inch ruler. Need to get a good scale for measuring the weight of gold and silver coins. Any suggestions on a good scale ?
I actually built a full rare earth magnet slide when I first got into PMs - and was quickly disillusioned when much of my common house change slid just as slowly as silver did.
Me too
Same
The best test is the ‘Sliver Sound’ Test, has a higher pitch than the other clad coins
your angle was off then. As he showed the magnet does have an effect. You need strong enough magnet as well.
That's because all US coins except for 35%, 40%, and 90% silver coins, 1943 steel pennies, and post-82 zinc pennies have a high percentage, above 75%, of copper and therefore diamagnetic.
The magnet test is good if used with all the other tests.
Yes. You should do all tests to se if it's fake or real.
Yes, it is a good screening test. And if the coin has a copper core, it either weighs less than an authentic or has different dimensions because Cu is not as dense as Ag.
Yes it should be 1 of many many. Never definative, niether is a sigma pmv alone, or ping sound etc Only thing is an xray thats dependable 100%.
What about sterling coins, does it have a enough silver to do the same thing on the magnet? Curious and thanks for any answers.
Sterling silver is .925 or 92.5% silver. Yes it will do the same thing with a magnet.
@@johnsumner2987 Thank you sir
@@guystumm9387 No problem
I like using the rare earth magnet test along with a scale. I always verify my bullion through my LCS though.
You have to couple the slide test with size and weight. Sure copper is diamagnetic, but a coin made out of it will be significantly off on either size or weight. (your fake one is noticeably bigger) They will also slide down a magnetic slide at different rates so having a reference is important.
Actually the fake one is the same diameter its just lighter. But I made this video because I had people telling me they just use a magnet... nothing else.
@@SilverSeeker but it’s perfectly sound logic though. If it’s made a copper, it will be either 86% lighter, or 17% larger, or a mix between those two.
I guess this highlights that likely no single test is accurate and requires a minimum of two unique forms of measurement to determine validity.
Anyway, I still appreciated your video. Thank you.
Is the crown mint considered a reputable dealer?
Just mine your own ore and cast your own bars! Duh!
Bring a rare earth magnet, a scale, and a ruler (a sound test app is also good). You will also need the information of the coin that you are purchasing (weight and measurements). A fake may pass one of the tests, but not all of them
I do the ‘Silver Sound’ Test on circulating coins. That is how I discovered my first Silver coin: 1966 80% Silver Canadian Quarter.
Yep, with just a little practice you can hear junk silver being jingled all the way across a room.
Good vid. Thanks for the pinger link. Ordered a pinger and a fake coin. Cheers!
What was the weight and dimensions of the Fake Silver coin that passed the magnet test?
Surely the dimensions (using calipers) and the weight would differ enough?
Oooh, great video, thanks!
Awesome educational video. Thanks for doing this!
Very interesting! 😊👍
Didn't get notified about this video. Glad I found it. 👍👍👍👍👍
I also do the ping test. BTW, today I got my "pre order" of the T2 2021 Silver Eagles from Monument Metals.
Woot!
Great info man I remember learning this from you a long time ago very helpful
Thanks so much for watching!
Just curious did the copper coin weigh correctly?
great info as always thank you
Thank You!
LOL. ..finger test doesn't feel good. But seriously this is a good video for info
LOL thanks so much!
Thankyou for the explanations. Most of us out in the economy don't know anything about silver ...
what about silver bars, does the ping test work with bars too.?
Did notice the fake spun rather than slid. I trust my magnet
Real ones spin also just depends on where you place it kn the magnet
Where can i buy a magnet like you are showing in your video
You can buy one on Ebay.
🤘👍Great video!
"Ping" test is the way to go ... . ..
OWWW.....that hurt ....lol great video, you did a perfect job explaining how this works. Definately another option for checking your silver. Thanks for sharing. SALUTE>
Thanks for watching!
Pure or coin silver will make a fairly drastic eddy current test. To do so space a rosette of rare earth magnets spaced about 2x the target coin thickness. A silver coin will act like it is falling through molasses. So will other metals like copper, but silver is a bit slower. It is a quick test to test for plated. Another way to use a magnet is that for metals of similar density it requires a nickel layer that will attract a small re magnet to the coin. 🤓
How about the specific gravity test
My ping app is buggy Freezing up on me
I bought a Pocket pinger! Cait wait. Thank you 😎✌️🌻🌻
This video is mislabeled I think it should say "why you shouldn't trust the silver magnet test on BULLION" this won't work on a necklace or a ring or something the sure fire way is call around to jewelry or pawn stores and ask if they have one of those handheld xray testers they tell you the exact percentages of the metal content in them....most good jewelry and pawn stores have them now!
thanks. hope my local one has them. hopefully its free to test or for a small fee.
I thought the "pocket pinger" has that built-in plastic extrusion to strike the coin so you don't need to use any external stick, pen, whatever. Or...is there a reason you don't use the built-in striker?
edited to fix typo
edited to be more precise
I prefer to just strike it with a stick, but yes that is there also.
just weigh the coins and measure them. If the copper coin is the same size it will be much lighter than 31 grams. Silver eagles should be ~ 3 mm thick, very easy to measure with a pair of calipers
Unlike gold, silver has a specific gravity that is fakeable. Lead is denser than silver, copper, tin, and zinc are lighter. So there's a ratio where an alloy of copper and lead that has the same density as silver. But is that alloy diamagnetic?
Just getting into this topic, but I already figured out that the the 925 and magnet tests can be bypassed/faked. The problem is that people just repeat what they've read online and never take time to do research on the basics. But as always, I'm always the exception and not the norm.
To answer your question, yes. Going back to the "basics" copper is diamagnetic while tin and zinc are not magnetic.
@@beethao9380 But the alloy? Is it possible to create an alloy that will match specific gravity and the magnet test?
Ping test.. ping ping ping..
Ordered one brother
Silver is a good thermal conductor. So if you put an ice cube on top of your silver item, then the ice cube will start to melt quickly. An ice cube placed on silver will melt quicker than on iron and a little quicker than on copper.
i always test it with magnet and ping test.
More4 great useful info..
does the ping tester work on random very old silver rounds?
I LOVE my Pocket Coin Pinger! Thank you Seeker for your AWESOME channel!
Glad you like it! Thanks so much!
Don't have a pocket pinger, but I just ping the coin with another coin
So what was the coin that failed the magnet test made of ?
This is new to me. I have seen brokers just use a magnet to see if something that should not be magnetic, sticks to a magnet, but have only seen them use other testing methods to verify precious metals and purity.
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
My father in law left my kids each a couple silver morgans when he passed. All fake. 2 of them were in the right weight range while the other 2 were way light. All failed the ping test 😌. It was enough to get us all into collecting coins tho. Great video!
Just getting into this topic, but I already figured out that the the 925 and magnet tests can be bypassed/faked. The problem is that people just repeat what they've read online and never take time to do research on the basics. But as always, I'm always the exception and not the norm.
I don't know why I watch this video I guess I find it entertaining I bought a sigma metaletics detector when I first got into silver. Best thing I ever did I bought a fake Platinum coin and I got a refund I paid like $900
I just got one of them pocket ping test at my fisrt coin show the other week works great
Ok so you’re an expert. Lets see if you even have time to get back to someone in your comments. Ok here goes…i dont want to rely on cell phones or any kind of technology that can just….go out when it wants. I want an iron clad way of spotting fakes. I don’t care if it may be more expensive, I just want the end all be all test for my piece of mind. What is the old school 💯 way of determining frauds for our piece of mind???
Its so bad I won't buy except from a reputable dealer, which I don't have in my area so I will order from SD or other bullion dealer. Its not worth getting ripped off.
Yahshua -- you know Him as Jesus -- was born to a virgin, turned water to wine, taught, healed the sick, raised the dead, casted out demons, walked on water, and calmed the storm, among many other things. He was killed on the cross as payment for the sins of all mankind, three days later He rose from the dead. Forty days later He ascended into heaven where He sits at the right hand of the Father. He is returning very soon, but before He does, Satan, the devil, is coming to pretend to be Jesus/God. Satan is an angel, and he will have certain supernatural powers with which to try to fool everyone. He will, for example, be able to make fire come down from heaven in the sight of men. He will only be on earth a short time before the real King of Kings, Jesus Christ, God in the flesh, returns. When the real Jesus comes we will all be transformed into our spiritual bodies at the same moment. Jesus came in the flesh to offer forgiveness of sins and eternal life to anyone who believes and calls on His precious name!
Now when Jesus was in Bethany, in the house of Simon the leper, There came unto him a woman having an alabaster box of very precious ointment, and poured it on his head, as he sat at meat. But when his disciples saw it, they had indignation, saying, To what purpose is this waste? For this ointment might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. When Jesus understood it, he said unto them, Why trouble ye the woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me. For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always. For in that she hath poured this ointment on my body, she did it for my burial. Verily I say unto you, Wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, there shall also this, that this woman hath done, be told for a memorial of her. - Matthew 26:6-13
does the pocket pinger work on "junk silver", how about old dirty coins?
What size is that fishing magnet?
I carried in my wallet a fake silver dollar (1795) for more than 10 years :(
It's always good to use multiple types of tests
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Isn't this just because of the conductivity and magnetic induction, has nothing to do with the diamagnetism.
Always good info!! Thanks!!
Thanks for watching!
I just ordered one through your link. Thanks for your videos.
Good stuff...
but cooper are slightly lighter and the ping is different.
Right
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Very informative , thanx Silver Seeker
What about the u test? 1986 to 2007 has a u in United but 2008 to present has the serif in the United?
This is a huge help - thanks. I tended to rely on the neodymium test only - so this helps put my mind at rest!
Great informations.
Will a One oz. Rectangle ping the same ?
It will still sound like Silver but no it wouldn't sound the same as an eagle. Thickness diameter shape all change the sound.
Very interesting!! Thanks!!!
Very good tutorial. Thank you
Whos the best online site to purchase silver?
4:46 LOL
Did U create/invent the pocket pinger ?
How can you test a silver bar??
DO you have a link to the bullion test ap you use
Magnet test is just one in your tool belt..
Cheers
How would I test silver bars?
Yo where do I find a magnet like that
Love that!
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dont "solely" rely on this test, correct. i personally like doing a calipers diameter test + a scale, and a ping test.
Thank you kind sir😊
Nailed it
Great Info!!
Great info Seeker!!
Good advice overall, but your title "Why You Shouldn't Trust the Silver Magnet Test" is a little clickbaity. The people in the comments weren't necessarily saying use the magnet test and only the magnet test. It's a simple test that you can include in a number of other simple tests. For example, a silver plated copper ASE that passes a magnet test, will flunk weight and/or dimension tests, the ping test, and likely a visual inspection as well. I have never came across anyone saying you should only test with a magnet, and nothing else. That being said, if an ASE sticks to a magnet like it's made of steel, then you can "trust the silver magnet test" and you might as well just skip any other tests. If it passes, you can trust the result, i.e. that it's diamagnetic, but as you noted, that doesn't mean it's definitely legit. Note the result and move on to your next test.
Great content! 👍
Testing the mass of a coin is highly reliable, very inexpensive, and repeatable. A jeweler's scale, an appropriately sized vessel filled with water, dental floss or thread, and a calculator are all that are required. It does take a little more time to perform and requires getting your coin wet, but I consider this test a valuable tool in my verification "toolkit".
I've covered specific gravity on the channel more than once, no worries there. :)
So the same test a Greek king payed for to see if his crown was pure gold is still in use
Ok, we if we do weight and magnet test, am I good? Or do I need something more?
Use multiple but Weight + Magnet isn't enough, I'd at least at the ring test to that also. Additionally if it's a government issue like an Eagle I'd also check the size and thickness with a pair of calipers.
magnet, ping, weight, dimensions. four easy non destructive tests.
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Wow, I learned something today. Thank You Sir.
what about specific gravity test?
Good test but not easy to setup on a whim
I have counterfeit non-silver coins that give the same ping as silver coins. The solution is to use a balance and the ramp test as metals with other densities will weigh more or less.
doing these test and the specific gravity test with water and a scale seems like it would be more that sufficient to prove the quality of the silver and even the % silver. So I guess no one needs a sigma device. 🙂
Sigma provides speed AND accuracy. Specific gravity test is slow and messy so if you're testing a lot of items at once the Sigma is definitely useful. But is it NEEDED? No
@@SilverSeeker agreed but for $1000+ for a real tester I'll take the messy water way and put that money towards gold and silver. 👍🏻 Good stuff!
@4:45 LOL!!!
Here's another easy one. Place a tissue directly over the silver, if the silver appears white in color it's probably real.
I'm going to get a magnet for testing !
I already have the Pocket Pinger.
Have a metric/inch ruler.
Need to get a good scale for measuring the weight of gold and silver coins.
Any suggestions on a good scale ?