Vax Carpet Cleaner Tripping the Electrics - Can I FIX it?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ค. 2024
- This Vax Carpet Cleaner is tripping the electrics. I purchased it faulty from eBay. Can it be fixed?
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Remember that this is just for entertainment and I am not an expert in these repairs. The processes in the video may not be the best way, the correct way or the safest way to fix these things. I do love fault finding and trying to fix broken things, so I hope that comes across in this 'Trying to FIX' series. Many thanks, Vince. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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Hello everyone, hope you're keeping well.
Thanks for the spoiler saver.
It's a hot, sunny day here in Manitoba; 32°C with just a few puffy clouds to break up the blue.
I hate it.
Yes, thank you. I hope the same for you too.
Could you link the equipment you use @Mymatevince
@@Ea-Nasir_Copper_Co 2c , yikes . Not surprised you hate it , I'm the same , at least in winter you can put on more layers but when it's that hot and you are down to your birthday suit there is nothing more you can do
The moment I saw the discolouration of the enamel coating there was a 99% chance that motor was toast. The enamel coating on the winding's is the insulation. A company I worked for made Arc Welders and Spot Welders. The transformers not only used enamel coated copper wire for the transformer winding's but the completed transformer was preheated in a furnace/oven and dipped in another insulating resin and baked overnight for added safety and to prevent the winding's from vibrating against each other due to the magnetic field.
BASF used to have a plant at a place called Slinfold in the U.K that made that coating . The chemicals involved were extremely toxic and unstable . They reckoned that if the plant went boom it would take out the nearby village . They used to practice for if a plane going into Gatwick airport crashed there
Hello Vince , I have been watching your videos for nine years now and have always found them informative and entertaining. You gave me the courage to take apart my own vacuum cleaner that was dead and after two weeks of cleaning in-between my job that the hoover was actually bagless . It now works , I would even go as far as to say that it's one mean sucker . Because of your channel I have saved money 💰💰 thank you Vince and I ❤ your rolls Royce my grandad had one before he passed away from COVID keep up the good work.
Vince, using Ohms Law, a 12 ohm load at 230 volts is a 19 amp draw. (I=E/R) As others have said, the motor windings are corroded and internally shorted. The burning smell is the 19 amps heating up the wire/windings and burning. Probably the switch as well. Essentially, you made a toaster.......
Ohms law is only accurate when calculating for DC - it will approximate only when calculating AC
@@Grumpy_Granddad agreed however it’s accurate enough to see that at that load it exceeded the house supply . In the US, standard household outlets are 15 amps. I wouldn’t have plugged it in.
For future reference Vince, motors generally have a reverse threaded nut on the shaft, so that inertia "tightens" when it spins. That's why the nut wouldn't come off when you tried
Did just that only a few months ago, should have realised at my age, worse, I used an impact driver, sooo difficult to get off once I had stripped the thread, had to re-thread motor shaft to smaller size....... not fun
That didn't enter my head at all until reading the comments. Makes complete sense know. I'm pretty embarrassed, but at least I now hope I will remember that in the future when working on items with motors in. Nice one for the comment, thank you 👍👍👍👍
Yes that was painful to watch sure I've don't worse myself though. Nobody can know everything
yeah, I learned that when dealing with a faulty blender once, and found it consistent all over motor based devices.
it is always a pleasure watching someone struggling to undo the left thread :)
Haha, oh no, are they really a left hand thread. That didn't even enter my head as a possibility 😂
@Mymatevince Yup sure are! I got tripped up for a minute when I pulled my Bissel HotShot carpet cleaner apart. That whole thing is an octopus of vinyl tubing inside. Such a PITA getting it all routed out of the way to get the casing halves back together.
Good vid as usual buddy. Greetings from Kenosha, Wisconsin btw.
@@Mymatevince oh, yea, I know the feeling, been through this. It is like when you think you won an argument with a woman. You just pushed a little gey boy through a military school. Ever since my first vacuum cleaner "repair" I search the internet for every device I attempt to repair, even just from the same category, hard to find exactly same model. I would say, it doesn't change much, since the winding is cooked, but if you didn't strip it, you could attempt to rewind it. You would definitely fail, but it is really fun to try. You watch hours of your most careful work going with smoke in a split of a second. I did it like 4 times. Cheers mate.
Definitely a new motor required. Those windings are shot with the plastic cable ties melting and creating the burning smell. It's a race between a fire starting and the mains power tripping. Fortunately, the circuit breaker is doing it's job to prevent the other eventuality.
I happy that you didn't spoil the result by calling it a failure video, i like to be kept in suspense until the end. I generally don't watch anything where you spoil the result.
I've learned a few times the hard way that trying to test motors and windings with a multimeter can easily trick you. If you do that more often an insulation resistance meter is worth it's money. I think they start around 50 bucks from brands like uni-t and others. They can do the resistance measurement under a high voltage so sparks can jump over and you don't get tricked by wrong results from a multimeter. If the insulation of some of the windings are slightly damaged or burned but don't touch each other you only measure the short under a high enough voltage because that's when the sparks jump over.
The cable ties were broken due to excess heat. The stator wires were burnt and were fused together causing a short between certain segments of the slip rings. Hope this helps?
what he said lol armature is toast
Thank you👍
Really interesting hearing your thought process on how the motor could have flooded. Love your videos thanks.
I have this same unit, sold under a different brand name (and colors) but virtually the same construction, and of course US voltages and plug. It was a game-changer for our household and pet stains.
Hey Vince, not sure if you have tried this or not, but the REL button on your meter will zero the resistance in the leads.
Some of the windings on the commutator (the spinning bit in the middle of the motor) have gone short. That's why you were getting different resistance readings while turning it. Unfortunately without a heap of work rewinding the thing it's nackered I'm afraid. Cheers.
Hi Vince, you can generally tell by the smell when a winding is overheated and burning. The copper wire is insulated by a varnish and is unmistakeable. The cost of a motor rewind would be several times the cost of the machine so it is just junk. The copper can be reclaimed though. If you can get a new motor and it works, at least it will save even more plastic from landfill.
best thing about Vince is that its completely random, never know what you're gonna get. With other channels gets boring real quick watching a Switch/PlayStation/Xbox same faults and repairs for the 50th time.
Yep, agree. Doing a variety of things I think makes it more interesting. I try to mix it up as well.
great video! learned a lot in the comments section too, Thankyou good contributors.
good one vince and great to see the rolls royce varnish video looks quite good now!the hours of the rolls royce video is fantastic!
Thank you👍
I honestly thought those wet wipes were going to sort that molten mess of copper windings lol. Great content as always. There possibly are some motors available but not with that part number search for vax motor instead and it looks like you'd have to transfer the rubber covers maybe. Cant see enough detail on yours to tell, so could be wrong. Good luck all your effort deserves a fix.
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Brilliant video Vince! Is it wrong that I 🤣'd when the power went out - I feel so bad lol, but it was exciting!!! Your explanation of how it worked was interesting and I am sure correct! I've always wondered how these work so it was a really interesting watch!
Very wrong, it says a lot about you as a person Chris 🤣
Really glad you enjoyed this one. Hopefully it will be on a revisit video one day in the future when spares become available 👍
Yep , bottom line it’s a bad design , great video by the way . I bought a reconditioned Vax duo pet carpet cleaner( turquoise blue) ,after 2 replacements, with essentially the same issue (smoke coming out of the engine cooling vents !) it turned out to be water ingress from a faulty reseal valve under the cleaner fluid tank . Overall with your and mine , it seems to be that Vax have greatly unskilled labour on their assembly lines , wisdom as they say is proved righteous by its works !
Fun video to watch. Keep up the good work. Greetings from the US
Nice one, Field coils are shorted 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
80GUV1003 , MTVCGS04 , 8V25026-00 ,YDC50-1A these motors might be similar
Thanks AR for the help, I will Google them👌😎
Understood, thanks Vince,I'm gunna cheak out more of your channel
Nice repair attempt Vince but yeah I thing that motor as gone
I had the exact same fault on a VAX 6131. One of the outer coils had a short after the motor flooded. This explains the on-off stuttering, as only one side was active. I had to replace the motor but when it arrived it was not the same despite supplier's promise. However, with a bit of ingenuity and cutting of the inner plastic cowling, I got it to fit. My model has a floating ping-pong ball to cut off the vacuum tube to prevent water being sucked up when the tank is full. This had failed. A new ping-pong ball did the trick. The old one had a roughened surface. Don't know why. By the way, the motor fan thread is left-handed on mine, so I guess it was on yours! DOH!
Replaced the seized bearing in mine. Works again for now! 608-2RS Bearings are cheap.
I agree with a lot of the comments below, the windings have cooked, the coating has melted that covers the copper wire and it has shorted.
Just unlucky you don't have a PAT tester, this would have shown instantly that their is a high resistency, or dead short.
Testing the windings with a multi meter can be a pain as sometimes the windings check ok until power is put through them, then it arcs out, heats up and pops your rcd, the motor kicks in, shorts a few times then the rcd cuts your power, this is why the motor reacted as it did.
Good effort Vince. I think I would have called it after seeing the windings burnt.
I think what could have happened is this...
If they had left the unit filled with water after use, moisture could have evaporated from the holding tank and the vapour went down the pipe and into the motor area causing the bearings to rust and seize the motor.
The next time they used the unit (a few month later), it probably hummed and smoked a bit. They then probably unjammed the motor by turning the brush manually and then it ran with a very noisy bearing and semi burnt motor and tripped the electric.... and then you bought it :) Great effort though, and hopefully you can find a new motor for it👍
Thanks Mick, another option might be it leaking down from the clean water bottle up top. I only say that because since this video I was round my friends house and he borrowed one ( a Vax) that broke in his possession. He said it is a common issue with it leaking from that top bottle, travelling down the upright bit and dripping into the motor area. I hoping a replacement motor will turn up on eBay and I can get quick revisit done on it. Cheers for the help 👍👍
@@Mymatevince Ah no worries. I had something similar with a Milwaukee wet and dry vac (few months back) where moisture got into the bearings and rusted them resulting in a seized motor. Hopefully one will turn up with missing parts or cracked casing or something 🤞
You will get it next time Vince. Was a good video .
The resistance readings can fluctuate as you're generating a voltage when you turn the motor and this affects the reading on the meter.
Hi Vince, the motor most likely block because the stator casing is not secured on the front cap. You can see the holes for the screws @20:08 (4 holes on the motor housing and 4 holes on the black support). Probably somebody else has been there before and checked the burnt windings on the rotor.
If the machine tips over with waste water still in it, the "full" seal isn't going to work if its switched off, so water gets in the suction pipe. You pick it up, switch it on and the water in the pipe gets sucked into the motor flooding it and possibly shorting it too.
Your test while turning the fan showed that some of the rotor windings had dead-shorted, and as you found if the motor is left on when not turning, it overloads and 'cooks' the stator coils (the burning smell you had). a new rotor at least is required, a whole motor to be safe. The rest of it is OK, although a bit dirty, and will live again. Don't landfill it, wait till motors become available.
The design is clever to a point. But if the vacuum falls over with water in the dirty tank it will usually find it's way into the vacuum ducting and then into the motor. And because its dirty water it will end up causing shorts.
If this happens to your vacuum its best to disconnect the dirty tank take the vacuum outside and run it until the motor is dry. I wouldn't recommend flushing the motor with clean water as its already a electrocution risk.
You need 2 sets of things, sometimes even 3 :)
I have 3 sets of screwdrivers, 1 in the car, 1 in the shed, and 1 in the home-office. Similar for drills, etc...
And it went dark in the kitchen. Luckily the video was brighter. Really interesting.
I honestly dont know what a good ohms reading is for motor windings, but anything
Like a transformer, since it is an AC device, it depends on inductance. The amount of power drawn is a function of both resistance and inductance (technically, resistance and reactance). So it will vary with the design of the motor. In other words, a motor with very thick winding wire and a lot of turns would appear to have a low resistance but would not take a lot of power because it has a lot of inductance due to the turns. A motor with thin wire (or maybe aluminum wire) and few turns would take a lot of power but have a higher resistance.
I have this cleaner, and the float works way better than you think... it pretty much doesn't pull any water up from the carpet when tbe float is up
Did you check if the cleaning brush spins freely? It could be something stuck in the brush like hair or carpet fibres that would block or slow down the motor and make it overheat? That also happens with Dyson vacuums except they have a safety that stops the motor if the cleaning brush is blocked, if this one doesn’t have that, that could give this kind of symptoms I guess
Failures on the copper coil aren't always visible. Only a slight area of scraped enamel will cause it to short and pull massive current, and trip. That's why it was revving, stopping, revving. The motor doesn't sound good either, the whole thing has heated up too much like an engine without oil and expanded excessively.
I have a tee shirt that says "I know my last words when I die.....well that didn't work!".....and I thought that was going to be yours when your electric popped😂😂😂😂
What follows is only a guess: I believe there is a semi short somewhere in the windings of one portion of your stator. Hence why when the rotor was spun and the magnetic fields where shifted you noticed the drop in resistance at the plug. A short as we often know creates more heat as voltage is shunt through the least resistant path and the current allowed in the circuit is no longer shared among the entire circuit. Thus producing excess heat in one area. In this regard melting the plastic bindings. Unless you have the aptitude to rebuild the stator, you are probably best to discard and get a replacement. It is odd that it locked or seized up like it did with the permanent magnets on the rotor not looking excessively damaged. Regardless is was a good attempt and I enjoyed following with you along the repair.
Thanks Shawn 👍
What is a semi-short exactly? to me either it's shorted or it's not.
@@unperrier5998 fair, not the best terminology on my end. What I meant by this is exposed copper in the winding that is either occasionally shorting due to vibration or that are close enough to each other that even without direct contact there is arcing because of the circuit inductance.
I have one of these vax carpet cleaners and water gets in to the motor area VERY easily. I have had mine apart to dry the motor out several times.
Ive been Loving the thumbnails latley
I wonder if you could get a similar motor for cheap, and transplant appropriate components assuming the rotating part looks good enough as it appears that's the unique part to this device?
@Vince, Did you ever get the hp sprocket working? I initially thought mine was a faulty battery, but it looks like it is something else, possibly no charge to battery? Thanks
The stator windings look overheated and shorted - hence the skipping. Probably stuck motor overheated them.
Use ohms law to calculate the current draw based on volts and ohms. Windings shorted, overheated, shorted some more, and ewaste results.
Surprised that the fuse in the plug didn't blow first, although I have had the exactly the same thing with a cheap pedestal fan.
good video
It would have been interesting to measure the rotor windings.
Since the stator windings had the same resistance, but the resistance fluctuated when measuring both together (the whole motor) - its likely the rotor windings. If you have the patience, you could rewind the defective windings for very little money.
Also: It is not well explained while there is a lockup at the end. It is well possible that there is a mechanical issue with the vacuum. The burned up moto is then only the result of the lockup.
This is one time where being in the west is worse. Had he been in india or pakistan or the like he could get threm rewound for peanuts.
And China ~ where said motor was manufactured 🙄
Would it be cost-effective to ship the motor abroad for repair?
@@samuelfellows6923 ''and the like'' . Or cant you read English? Rollseyes when he cant even read, what a bellend
Was almost screaming reverse thread at the tv😂
As the UK have fuses in the plug, I wonder why it didn't blow that fuse first?
Vacuum is so sad on thumbnail.☹️
Vince where the cable ties was inside the motor, the coating was worn away and causing a short in the windings
From the switch killer to the Vax killer 😂
I love you Vince. If I wasn't poor I would definitely join the MMV massive
I appreciate you watching the videos, and the odd advert😂 Don't worry about Patreon 👍👍👍👍
Stop being poor than and send in that coin!!!
Probably the fishing spinner jammed the float thing . How one of those would get into a carpet cleaner is beyond me . I used to work for a commercial carpet cleaning company and the first thing you did was vacuum the carpet .
If the motor got hot enough to melt the cable ties the chances are it has burnt through the insulation on the windings
I wish this video was older :D I had bought this exact model (different color) for the same purpose, similar issue, and it was in the corner for near a year before i lost interest and gave it away..
Oh i have had a ton of success using a small (purposely cheap underpowered) impact gun for removing fan motors. The biggest thing i forget is the reverse thread 😅.
Hi Vince, don't know if you ever got the vax repaired but there is a motor to fit currently listed on ebay for £30 delivered.
Thanks JJ, I managed to buy a motor shortly after this video, but I still haven't fitted it yet. Thanks for letting me know though👍
If that was 10 ohms shouldn’t that be pulling around 24amps on that winding? Current= voltage(240) / resistance 10ohm?
How did you removed the wheels? I'm stuck trying to remove them @Mymatevince
I have seen some great video in youtube that cover re-doing the windings on the motor, could make a good at attempting to do this
Motor definitely shot. It was a really, really bad sign at the video start when you turned the brush/motor assy and the ohm reading about tripled. Wether locked down and not turning or not, the ohm reading should not vary like that just by commutator turning on brushes. I also wonder if the water got in the motor because someone stored it laying down (or it fell over) with water in the recovery tank? Hope you find a motor soon mate!
Thank you 👍
My goodness,you need an accurate meter that measures correctly. That motor got really hot. Wonder if it did get wet.
Taking the liberty to add the known sound effects: ha ha.
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my guess, the coating on the windings melted off causing an overheat which melted the zip ties, bothe before and now
Sweet
Have one of these
The turbine nut is unscrewed the other way around. It is the only nut in this engine that loosens on the right, because otherwise it would loosen when starting.
yup. melted coil windings, maybe if you got the new motor u could use your spinning bit in the new motor.
I think I know exactly the source of the fault. Probably there was a damaged basket in the bearing. As an effect balls could spin freely, but sometimes the bearing was blocked, causing overheating of the winding and short both within them as well as to the body.
Sounded like the bearings had gone to start with
Vince you made my childhood thank you
Outer Field coil is melting to the windings. looks cheap not great quality.
it's fd
my guess it fell over while running, with water in the tank, and that bypassed the float
Have you thought about contacting a company that does motor rewind services?
Should be a simple fix, regardless of the size of motor.
Perfect to clean rolls carpets 🧽
Shag, shag , shag , shag your booty!!
I hate working on any Vax product as they often take forever to get to bits. Plus, getting parts for them can be a right pain. The number of machines I've plugged in and instantly smelt a burning smell coming from them is ridiculous. Also, the recovery tank on Carpet machines such as this are almost always smaller than the solution tank as you'll never suck up all the water the machine releases.
Yes the windings coating is melted. Good for scrap copper.
may i suggest reaching out to the manufactur for replacement parts. Thats probably the only place your gonna find them.
My Mate VINCE in My Dads SHED 🤣?
On age, odd not to see a moulded plug on this. Also, did I see a 13amp fuse? Maybe older than you think. Often worth looking at the motor and plastic mouldings to see the year of manufacture. (Ps also a useful trick when buying cars etc. if you suspect accident repair. Might not be obvious but a give away is buying say, a 2012 vehicle with a couple of parts with a 2020 manufacture date! 😂😂
You did see a 13amp fuse , suggested changing to a 5amp , then fuse blows first?
This video doesn't suck. Hah! I made a broken vacuum joke.
I think three of the windings on the stater, have definitely burnt through some of the insulation and that’s what’s causing it to heat up like a bar heater melting more of the enamel.
My bet is the windings have shorted due to corrosion. This caused a winding to overheat and that explains the burnt ties. Instead of replacing the motor, why not try rewinding the motor. Count the old windings as you remove them and rewind exactly the same way.
reverse threads....
Im surprised that a tinkerer at the level vince is that he hasent worked on motors before.. motors were the first electronics i worked on myself.. also surprised as hell he doesnt have a socket set handy off top.. kinda odd seeing on how much stuff has bolts and nuts on em..
So does anyone no where i can buy a new motor is there a genric on that will work in this?
I had a brand new vacuum cleaner with the same burning smell and problem with motor.
21:18 Why didn't you use delta on the meter?
Family must get fed up of being plunged into darkness. 😂
What probably happened to the machine was that it was laid down on its back or side (e.g. to clean the brush roll) with the tanks fitted and water in them. My VAX carpet cleaner (different model) goes to great pains warning never to do this as water can then get into the motor. Tanks must always be removed before laying the machine down. The float valve in the bottom tank shuts off the vacuum so no more water is sucked up, stopping the tank overfilling and again entering the motor. Laying the machine down negates the function of the float valve.
the same happened to mine after 3 months the motor started burning and wont turn must be a common fault..
Hi vince! Long time no see, quite annoyed actually. TH-cam just stopped recommending me your videos!
I normally watch every RR video and yet i was never recommended them.
19 minutes and 33 seconds on the left side of the lower winding in the video You can see what appears to be really shiny metal I believe the zip tie broke from the heat and then the windings rubbed out against the stator supports and they shorted to it.
Also if you look at the design of the cooling fan it doesn't make much sense The cooling fan is trying to pull air from the back of the suction fan it just looks like a bad motor design all around. They should have put the white cooling fan at the back of the motor where it could get fresh air from the looks of that plastic housing it's overheated quite a few times maybe that's just down to the design of the motor
best to use another shorter extension cable rather than a huge reel all wound on the reel whilst in use - it can overheat and trip electrics itself, trip a thermal detector if fitted, or if not, just melt...if this powering a lot of hungry devices...
Not sure if anyone has asked this but I think Vince put a plug in circuit breaker (GFI?) that he repaired in a previous (awesome) video. However, it didn't seem to do its job as a breaker.
What have I missed here? Cheers from Toronto
I think that circuit breaker detects current leaking to ground/earth. In this case, the motor was shorted from live to neutral, drawing a huge load but no leakage to the earth pin. A fuse or surge protector was needed here I think. If the copper winding had shorted to the motor housing, I think the earth leakage would have tripped.
I have similar one sounds like death and if you use a foamy cleaner it gets innthe motor comes out the rear vent im assuming thats why sounds like Shite and probably whats happened here. The float wont rise in the bubble s.
Part 2 soon
I have the exact same cleaner and on my third. The first one blew up 3 weeks after buying it from Amazon then the replacement worked for a week then blew up. Replaced by Amazon again and third seems to be ok. I dont think the quality is 100% with Vax.