Being Different: IIT Madras Part 3 - Q&A
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IIT Madras invited Rajiv Malhotra for an evening to discuss his latest book BEING DIFFERENT.
After his talk there were comments by two professors, one in philosophy and the other in management. This was followed by Q & A.
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What an explanation of History centrism. I have learnt two amazing things from Rajiv:
1. Clear concepts of Dharma and now no more confusion.
2. Rigour in research and development so that I can use the same rigour in my field.
I am awed to see such a fiery intellectual in my early years. Had this been 8 years earlier, I would have become a Sanskrit Scholar. But nevertheless, I will keep following him, read his books, see the conferences and practice the same in my life.
You can still learn Samskrit. What's the fun in being born in Bharat and not learning Samskrit, when both are dying!
Hope upcoming government will support him and people of India should understand this as soon as possible ,Its nice to see that our upcoming generation wont live in complexity but in pride
I think Indians, in every state of India, who want to make a difference by propagating contribution of Indian civilization to the world, should approach their state education minister and convince him to include important extracts from Rajiv Malhotra's Being Different book into school history books.
I ll defiantly convey to my state minister in rajasthan .
Rajiv ji you are our hope.
@bvenvi
Frankly speaking, if you create a word in Tamil Nadu... A guy in Punjab can understand it... Provided both of them know Sanskrit...
This is exactly the reason why Sanskrit is called a Pan Indian language...
There is a vast vocabulary in Sanskrit becoz, of this reason...
And it belongs to all regions becoz. no one knows in which region the words originated...
They originated from all over India...
It's a like an Open source code...
And that's reason why it is special...
Rajiv Ji is so well prepared that he can literally handle any question. Im really inspired by you Sir
@bvenvi
First things first... The thought that Sanskrit came from North India/Aryan race and the very concept of Aryan-Dravidian divide are the things created by the Westerners...
Sanskrit does not belong to North Indians alone... It belongs to everyone in India...
Indian history books have to changed for school going children.
Great job Sir. you are an inspiration. I will read your works more in future.
i am again crying. Now i just want to work under your direction.Please help me.
Alternative is we’ll be finish and digester but we can’t give yet .
Thank you sir g for the thankless job you’re doing by educating us Bharatiyas of the dangers we are facing but not doing enough to protect our dharma . But as you rightly said we can’t give up yet and I am ready to devote my life and limited knowledge and capacity that I have to fight for dharma. Bless us oh shiva.
@bvenvi
I do agree that there are differences between Hindus, Buddhist and Jains... But not to the level they're exaggerated...
None of the Hindu, Buddhist or Jain texts asks their followers to destroy others' worshipping places... They do not have that kind of Mandate...
Yes, I saw Dasavataram... It was done by a Chola king.
But you can not compare these incidents with the fact that these religions have been staying together for 4000 years... And Hindus and Jains much older than that
We need more people like Rajiv ji :)
@bvenvi
This is the European narration of Indian History... Sanskrit has been in India ALONG WITH all the local languages for 1000s of years before Christ....
As always Amazing !
Cameraman can't stay still for a minute. Lol... :)
Mahesh Srigiriraju What He Is Doing
Excellent !!!!! proud to be Indian!!
6:50 - - - 7:10 - - -7:25 - - defining moments - -true equality - he did not want to take somebody else's glory
Excellent Q&A session!
@bvenvi
Just for your info... My mother tongue is also Telugu...
Anyways, I will tell you how Sanskrit is special...
Every letter in Sanskrit, has a meaning, Words in Sanskrit are formed based on the idea... You can know the meaning of a Sanskrit word just by looking at the letters of the word...
For example, in Ayurveda just by reading the word, you can understand all its medicinal properties... And you can create new words depending on the situation..
Contd...
Thank you Sir!!
History= His Story
'His' meaning God according to Christianity 😨
What did I study for the last 20 yrs?!
I would request all the viewers to plz make various wats app groups of friends, family, aquaintances, institutional heads and workers, teachers, professors and circulate Shri Rajiv ji's message ...Talk to illiterate community and poor community about the thing going around us. Make them aware. We have to solve our problems ourself, no one will do it for us. So plz wake up.
People who watch GoT would recognize wootz steel also called Damascus Steel.
Keep it up sirji✌✌
excellent
@bvenvi
I'm repeating again... Just becoz. I consider Sanskrit is special, doesn't mean that I consider other languages as inferior...
I'm only explaining you the importance of Sanskrit as an all Indian language... How ppl like you are blindly rejecting it, without understanding its value...
That's my only point...
Thank you. Brilliant. I now feel we need to free tibet to expand the indian dharma sphere. We need more and more buddist and hindu nations. And I don't mean nations with official "hindu" religion but the idea of "hindu centric" thought.
@bvenvi
THERE WAS NEVER A WAR... It was all a European creation... And as long as you blindly believe that, I can't do anything...
The problem is that people with a certain agenda will always try to prevail. And also preaching to the deaf is futile.
Made me think
@bvenvi
I said, you CAN create a word... That doesn't mean that you should create only in Sanskrit... I only said that Sanskrit has that option which makes it Pan-Indian
We have to pressure the government to fund these research and write our history from our Indian perspective.
Nice debate . Or queshionaire
indian HISTORY -all college/school books to be corrected [as per reality] 2021/2022.
Would we agree to dilute our history?
Happy to note ( from some of the feedbacks below ) that Tamil has 4000 yrs history. Could someone quote some of the books written around 1000 BC mentioning about Aryan Invasion which is said to have taken place around 1500 BC ?
Aryan invastion/migration never happend. The first time this concept was invented was 200 years back by a german philosopher.
@bvenvi
To your question about his comment...
So called dravidian languages are NOT exclusive... They're different just like other languages but NOT exclusive... The very idea that they're exclusive is a European creation... He clearly states that...
It was the Europeans who demonized Sanskrit, as if it is something that was imposed on the South Indian states...
I totally agree with his answer...
If you ask me, recognizing them as a Dravidian linguistic group is the main problem...
@bvenvi
Local languages are always supported by the state... And when it comes to language State has more powers... Center can't keep doing research on all languages... State govt.s have that responsibility...
@bvenvi
If you ask me, the real problem is our education system... In our olden days, scholars used to teach the both Sanskrit and their Mother tongue... Today ppl are money-minded...
If not, why on earth would they learn English rather than learning their mother tongues first...
And one thing I wanna say... I agree with the fact that many ppl are learning Hindi from early schooling...
But not many people are learning Sanskrit... Infact, very few schools teach Sanskrit nowadays...
@bvenvi
No one disagreed with the Bharathi's views... If he feels that Tamil is great I totally respect that..
@bvenvi
He didn't emphasize becoz. his aim is to show common things between India and West... And most of the book is about Samskriti... Not Samskrutam...
And his main aim is to show this Samskriti...
And this book deals a lot with religious differences... Infact, the book is about comparing Dharmic Traditions with Judeo-Christian traditions...
And there is emphasis on Sanskrit becoz. the core Hindu thought and many Buddhist and Jain works are in Sanskrit...
@77chotu77 This war between tamil and sanskrit ages back to thousands of years, to solve this wither away this so and so is special theory and keep every language in equal pedestal and allow every language to persist with mutual respect...
Why don’t you read about srivaishnavam sir.
@bvenvi
You read the Chapter 5 of the book... You will understand what he meant... You will also understand how Sanskrit is important in Hinduism...
He is not diluting anything... Dude, Indian cultures have differences and they also have similarities... That's his whole point... And that's exactly what he meant...
He want to show what those similarities are and how they're different from the West... That's his whole aim in writing the book...
@bvenvi
Did you even see the whole video properly??? He later clearly tells that he is against diluting differences...
He is saying are Indians have similarities which are exclusive to them, to their culture, to their religions, which are absent in West...
The whole purpose of him writing this book is to show those common differences between India and the West...
His aim is to show the common points in Indian culture which are exclusive to Indians alone...
@bvenvi
Rajiv said that 20-25% words of Tamil and Sanskrit are in common...
That does not mean that they're same and that doesn't mean that they're exclusive either...
They're different yet they share something common...
And if you want to talk about linguists, then there are linguists who tell that these languages are all related...
@77chotu77 And you guys got to understand one thing Tamil also has many Unique dravidian root words which are unique and which are not translatable, telugu being a dravidian language also retained some dravidian root words in which is not seen in current tamil. Therefore while naming the respective linguists could assist the government. Am asking for Tribal Languages too. I am speaking this issue here because He goes on tom toming about Sanskrit is pan Indian. Its special, This makes me argue...
@bvenvi
I didn't understand ur comment..
@77chotu77 4000 yrs back indus valley civilization is of tamils... Hope you would have come accross the article published by indians. Its comparison done using computer models...
@bvenvi
Indians never emphasized on written education... Education in India has always been oral... Becoz. the religion is as such... When ppl teach mantras the way spell them is important...
Written education is something that has started recently.
So you don't really find many Sanskrit epigraphs..
And Brahmans were not the only ones speaking Sanskrit...
Sanskrit has been used by Buddhist and Jains as well. They're not limited to Prakrit...
And Brahmins were not limited to Sanskrit.
@77chotu77
"They're different"
He didn't emphasize that, thats what is my problem here with Rajiv. Good atleast you said
"yet they share something common..." That something is called loan words. Loan words mean there where trade and cultural exchange. And These loan words majority of them are from Prakrit than sanskrit. For that matter tamil has words from urdu, french and many other languages of world.
@bvenvi
Now coming to Sanskrit, it is different... It is not like other local languages... Sanskrit language is totally opposite to digestion... It is like an Open-source code...
I can't explain you here about Sanskrit... Read Chapter 5 of this book... All your doubts will be cleared...
@bvenvi
And not accepting the uniqueness of Sanskrit and blindly rejecting it is bad as well...
Anyways, I'm done for today... Good Night...:)
@77chotu77
Why do you hate the status of English???
Thats good to know you know tamil too...
@77chotu77 I know weather am a Macaulay and Muller product or traditional Dravidian. I know how much am working towards conservation of the traditional practices in my villages and agriculture. You need not stereotype about me...
@77chotu77 I am blaming central government because as sanskrit being the representative of Indo-eurpean language, tamil is the oldest remain of dravidian linguitic group. So what am asking is give equal treatment for each linguitic group. Give budget properly for Tamil classical research too. We need not mention about Austro-asiatic languages i.e tribal languages which dont have separate state they need central governemnt funding. And in state bureaucracy also thinks sanskrit special theory(cont
@77chotu77 Oh sorry to say, for everyone their special is special. When you explain the speciality of your special, should be made clear that, this speciality is special may be only for you. Hence you cannot keep explaining to other guy who thinks his one is special. When you know other one's special you could argue with him. Without knowing other one's special arguing only yours is special is bordering to fanaticism.
@bvenvi
Just becoz. they are talking about Westerners doesn't mean that they shouldn't drink Coca Cola or Pepsi...
That very mindset you have is a 'dualistic' thought which comes from the Western education, becoz Western society is dualistic...
You're just a product of that education system... Maccaulay and Max Muller will be really proud about people like you...
@bvenvi
OK... Continue to oppose... Hope one day you will open your eyes...
Good Night...
@bvenvi
22 languages ARE official in the respective states...
And NO..!!! Hindi is NOT the national language... It is just a misconception to think that Hindi is a National language...
@bvenvi
Read Chapter 5 to understand how Sanskrit is different from other languages...
I don't know if it is the mother of all languages... Neither do I know if it is Devabhasha... But I know one thing... Sanskrit IS special...
Bye....
@bvenvi
And finally... I don't know what books you have read about the differences between Indians and Westerners hence I can't comment on them...
But I can tell you this...
READ HIS BOOK BEFORE CALLING HIM A HYPOCRITE...
@bvenvi
He is not diluting any differences... He is just rejecting the misconceptions...
There're differences, there're misconceptions...
The number one misconception is the Aryan-Dravidian divide... And he clearly rejects it
I also reject it...
If you ask me, that is the reason for all the problems in India today...
Anyways, I don't think this discussion is going anywhere...
I just feel sad to see Indians rejecting their own culture and hating their past...
@bvenvi
Oh... you say that his comment on Tamil is baseless...
Read his first book "BREAKING INDIA: Western Interventions in Dravidian and Dalit Faultlines"
@bvenvi
Next... you say that Tamil is getting digested into Sanskrit...
The first thing you need to do is understand the meaning of digestion properly...
When he says digestion, it means that the opposite culture/language, do not have the words to explain an idea expressed in the words of this language...
Ex: Westerners translate Yagna into Sacrifice in all their books... That is called digestion... Because, their culture has no concept of 'Yagna'...
@bvenvi
I have seen works and arguements 'sharper' than this one...
I have done 3 years of my personal research on this topic...
I can recommend you just this one book 'BREAKING INDIA'... That's enough...
I don't want to waste more time on you... Think like an Indian, not like a Westerner...
Take Care..
@77chotu77
Ok I agree it as an european construct, then you mean to say India has only one linguistic group right?
Then from which statistics and which linguistic research you people where able to say each language as so and so % of sanskrit. That construct is made out of a basic linguistics right? that is grammer. That grammer itself says there are three linguistic group... Ask Rajiv to prove there is no three linguistic groups in India.
@77chotu77 I have seen the video completely. I came across his acknowledgement that he is against diluting difference.
When a guy asks why you keep telling only about sanskrit, he should have responded saying yeah i agree we equally important different language tamil is also there matter ends there. Instead he tries to say that tamil has so and so % of sanskrit therefore nothing so different in it. This is his diluting effort.
@Metaemipricus Are you an indian? I doubt that.
@bvenvi
First of all, this got nothing to with the book... The topic in the book is totally different...
Anyways, What's wrong with using those words anyway... Agni, Prithvi, Aakash, are not just Sanskrit words... The Tatbhava words of these Sanskrit words exist in all Indian languages... The words in Telugu are Agni, Pruthvi and Aakasam... And Telugu ppl do no't have any problem with that..
It is written in Devanagari becoz. Sanskritized Hindi is the official language of India
@bvenvi
No one is talking imposing Sanskrit... Infact, Sanskrit was never imposed on any culture or country... None of the Indian schools of thought impose anything on anyone... That's not Indian culture... And that's the whole point of this book...
There's Integral Unity in India, not a Synthetic one...
These ppl are taking so much pain in writing these books to tell Indians what their culture is about... Understand your culture... Bye...
@77chotu77 Hmmm good question, for that you got to understand the Indian constitution. Thats a big topic. State governments have less financial independence and capability and liberty to do so.
"SO WHAT???" This so what is the problem. You were able to ask easily so what because according to you Sanskrit is pan india and its special and others are gutter language. Hence only am asking him to come out of the Hypocrisy...
@bvenvi
First of all, his book is not specifically about Sanskrit... It is about Indian culture...
Oh.. According to you govt. shouldn't spend on a language...??? Great...!!! Then what are the state governments doing...??? Aren't they spending crores on their respective official languages..???
Why shouldn't Central govt. spend on an Indian language which can not be exclusively claimed by any specific region and which belongs to all regions???
@bvenvi
You are someone who believes in Aryan-Dravidian divide... You can do some minimum search on net to understand how it was created... I don't want to argue here...
@bvenvi
As far as I'm concerned I hate the status enjoyed by English in India... English is not a must for national franca... It just became a unwanted need today...
And Tamil... I know Tamil as well...
Dude u didnt repond to this act of him directly?
"When a guy asks why you keep telling only about sanskrit, he should have responded saying yeah i agree we equally important different language tamil is also there matter ends there. Instead he tries to say that tamil has so and so % of sanskrit therefore nothing so different in it. This is his diluting effort."
My problem they dont wanna recognise dravidian linguist group as a exclusive group, They wanna mask the difference. ... Thats problem
@bvenvi
And religious texts... Not everything is fictional... There is a lot more in Indian texts than that...
And you ask me why I bring Europeans into everything...
YES...!!! I bring Europeans into everything becoz, they're the main reason for all the nonsense happening in India is today...
@bvenvi
Every language has uniquness... Sanskrit is unigue in its own way... It had been the Pan Indian language...
Rejecting this by blindly believing some colonial nonsense is what I hate...
Whatever...
I gotta sleep now...
I can't argue more with you...
Good Night...
@bvenvi
No one asked you not to read Punjabi, Gujarati, Bengali directly... Neither am I telling that Sanskrit should be the lingua franca... But the fact that you are not acknowledging that Sanskrit was once used as a Pan-Indian language is what I hate...
@bvenvi
Why do you just blame the Central govt. for that??? Why aren't you asking the state govts.??
@77chotu77 You know i cam accross a telugu girl who started saying Hindi is her mother tongue, just because she felt embarrassing to say a least known language as her mother tongue. This sort of mindset is being developed keep on tom toming that Hindi is national language. In abroad none knows other film industries or literatures are there other than hindi and sanskrit. I hate this monopoly of sanskrit only on Union of India.
The camera person had one job😑
@bvenvi
SO WHAT??? What is the problem if they spend money on an Indian language??? Aren't the states spending money on their respective official languages??? Why don't you question the state governments for neglecting the local languages in their states??? Isn't the federation meant for that????
Why blame the Central govt for spending money on Sanskrit which is being neglected by most of the state govts....???
@77chotu77 Go and Check the statistics first and come to debate. Sanskrit is the highly pampered language in Indian Budget, the next is Hindi under the disguise of Rajbasha...
Go and check the budget sheets for Sanskrit university...
@77chotu77
"Indians never emphasized on written education... " If you say i have to ask you Which indian do you mean??? Dravidian Indian or tribal Indian or Aryan Indian?? So please dont generalise and jump to tall claims Indians where doing so and so.
Tamil kings had uniques tradion. Especially sangam Literature Tamils. Many budhdhists where not well verse only in Sanskrit they where good in Prakrit and other languages too. Many Epigraphs are in Prakrit and Tamil.
@bvenvi
I'm talking about India 4000 years back... Not something recent...
Anyways, When Jains came to Tamil Nadu with their Prakrit texts, ppl opposed it... But they didn't oppose Sanskrit texts...
And it is not just Buddhists and Jains, Hindu Brahmins have also written so much in local languages...
33:21 An IITian asking such a doubt baffles me.
@77chotu77 There was a poet in Tamil Mahakavi Bharathy. He knows seven different languages, he appreciated all including sanskrit, telugu, hindi and tamil. Being telugu i remember his comments about Telugu, he said "Sundhara thelugu" and regarding tamil he said among the languages known to him tamil is the best language.
@inoidontknow
Btw Who are you and why are replying to me??? and for what??? be specific???
@bvenvi
State govts. have enough financial capability, independence and liberty to do so... Federation is meant for that... It's decentralization... Center can't take care of all the languages by itself... It is the state government's responsibility as well...
And just because I like Sanskrit, doesn't mean that I consider others as gutter languages... First of all, Get out of your dualistic mindset...
@bvenvi
Unique features are there in every language in India, Every language of India have words which are unique to itself and words which are common with Sanskrit...not just South Indian or East Indian languages you mentioned here...
What you're thinking is totally different from what he is mentioning here... I already told you... Read Chapter 5 of this book... This Chapter is some 100 pages...I can't explain it here...
And he is NOT asking us to set aside the differences...
@bvenvi
If they tell that these languages are exclusive, then they're Colonial slaves
@77chotu77
Moreover another reason is Tamil, the oldest classical language of India like sanskrit, for Tamil, budget allocation is 20 cr and for Sanskrit it is 80 Cr. If this is the status of the Tamil means what about the other languages like telugu and etc etc... You just because sanskrit is portrayed the special, many of telugu children are reading Hindi or sanskrit in their school from pre-kg and they start learning the mother tongue in their mid age. They are loosing their command inTelugu
@77chotu77
I have already opened my eyes, only you are masking the histories said by temple sculptors and you selectively looking at the sanskrit hegemony not me. Am Appreciating Sanskrit and all languages of india. Only you and Rajiv Malhitra are under the belief Sanskrit was Pan India Language, may be in both of your dreams...
Tamil is a wonderful language but it is not the language that European and American scholars are meddling with to create narratives that suit their perceptions of Indian people. Their obsession is with Sanskrit and therefore there is greater need to counter this movement by nurturing Sanskrit studies in our own country.
@77chotu77 What i mean is i need not have sanskrit as a middle man for other language. I wish to read punjabi, gujarati, bengali etc directly.
What am asking is just remove these special labels, remove ego behind languages and make things liberal and see that every state has a considerable population knowing the languages of each state in a share, thereby we could increase the health indian languages and market for indian literature industry.
@77chotu77
None in India is rejecting their own culture(Dravidian Tamil or Telugu). The fear of Tamil people Sanskrit special theory going to haunt them and their language. Its not that only Sanskrit supporting people are the only sole custodian of Indian culture. Tamil too has its own granary of literatures, it has its past they too wanna stick to it. The main demon they see for the thousands of years is Sanskrit. This war between tamil and sanskrit ages back to thousands of years. continued-
@77chotu77 And in state bureaucracy also thinks sanskrit special theory is predominant hence they disrespect the tribal languages. For that matter not even a proper plan yet been made to conserve them.
Central government policies being partial towards sanskrit is not healthy for the country. To maintain unity central governemnt cant escape answering these questions. You know how much planned imposition of hindi happens in central government institutions???
@77chotu77
"And not accepting the uniqueness of Sanskrit and blindly rejecting it is bad as well..." This is called imposition of your special theory on us. I accept sanskrit is language of India, it should be conserved, researched and developed like any other languages of india like tamil, telugu, toda, and irula... There is no so called special for any language. Give the equal foot space for all the languages to stand atleast on their toes. Dont buldoze using sanskrit special.