Actually Ink did post a google doc that had what would have been the analysis and post analysis in his pinned comment for Gengar vs King Boo. It was actually kinda close.
Knock off is a move that knocks off an item, an the irony is that because Gengar was a ghost type resulting in it being ghost like and not an actual ghost was a positive as it made it so that The King of Boos couldn't control it as he could other ghost
actualy that is not true. The Pokemon moon pokedex states "It apparently wishes for a traveling companion. Since it was once human itself, it tries to create one by taking the lives of other humans." it is still a ghost
@josiahlute7808 Here's the real problem some Gengar are born naturally Through a combination of poisonous gas and cursed energy And some are cursed to this fate by grabbing onto a ninetail's tail But there's also the part where you could just die and end up like this. Or if you accidentally cross over into the realm of death right on the boundary So honestly where the fuck do we draw the line for ghost types!?
@@flonneofthestars3709 Pokemon Eggs in General dont make sence. Cubone is born whereing the skull of its dead mother, mimikyu is born with its costume on and kangaskhan is born with its chld in its pouch
Read the conclusion and this episode is horribly wrong, even by its own stats. Literally NONE of Gengar's victory argument holds up to scrutiny. For starters, Gengar's statuses and healing weren't anywhere near as solid as the conclusion portrayed them to be. While Confuse Ray can't be dodged, Confusion only has a 25% chance to hit King Boo with his own attack, which would do very little damage to him with the given stats, and it's only temporary. Sleep can only be inflicted by Hypnosis which has an innate 40% chance to miss.
Paralysis has the same 1/4 chance to activate as Confusion and can only be inflicted by Thunder on a 30% chance (which without time spent setting up Rain Dance, which is only temporary, has a 30% chance to miss and King Boo is fast enough to dodge it anyways) or Thunderbolt/Thunder Punch on a measly 10% chance. Freeze is only a 10% chance off Ice Punch and even under this condition a pokemon in the games can immediately thaw themselves out by using a fire move, which King Boo has several of. Will-o-Wisp's flames aren't spectral or magical, they're only ever described as "sinister", so they actually shouldn't get around King Boo's passive intangibility, so Gengar cannot easily lay it on him and would have to rely on the 10% chance from Fire Punch to Burn King Boo. Burn, Sleep, Paralysis, Poison, and Freeze are all mutually exclusive effects that cannot combine with eachother so King Boo would only deal with one at a time, and with Poison, Burn, and Paralysis not being cured over time King Boo would only EVER have to deal with one of those three. And Curse is the only one of Gengar's status moves that can bypass Protect, so King Boo's energy shields should similarly protect him from them. Curse may be strong and can combine with other status effects, but it takes HALF of Gengar's HP to use and he can't heal it all back. Giga Drain and Dream Eater only heal half the damage they inflict so needing 70 hits to win Gengar could only heal itself by 1/140th of King Boo's HP per use. As for the stored items, going by how the only berry any member of the Gengar line holds in the wild is a Chesto Berry there is no reason to assume Gengar would have even ONE of a substantial healing berry like the Sitrus Berry, and Pokemon are unable to use man made items like Potions as held items in the games so Gengar wouldn't be able to benefit from a Max Potion. And with his ability to travel dimensions, King Boo would be able to target and destroy Gengar's items. With Gengar's healing this ineffective, it wouldn't heal enough to make King Boo need any more than 10 attacks to take it down. Gengar can slow King Boo down, but it's not likely to last. King Boo can take the fight to a different dimension where Gengar would have to set Trick Room back up (Mega Gengar's Shadow Tag doesn't work on Ghost Types that are actually ghosts like Phantump and Yamask), and since switching out reverts stats to normal in the games this could potentially undo the debuff of Scary Face. King Boo's analysis says "Using his dimension warping abilities, King Boo sucked Luigi into a painting then armed himself with a costume he created of Bowser.", so King Boo WAS given the ability to warp dimensions, meaning there's no reason he can't destroy the Trick Room, which HAS happened in the Anime. Even if Gengar got faster, King Boo could still hold Gengar still in his telekinesis and throw him into his attacks as he did E. Gadd and the Toads right before the final battle of Luigi's Mansion 3. And then there's the FACT King Boo is capable of controlling Gengar. When the conclusion said Gengar wasn't a ghost, it was wrong. Gengar's Pokedex Entry in Pokemon Moon outright says was once human. Quote, "It apparently wishes for a traveling companion. Since it was once human itself, it tries to create one by taking the lives of other humans". Even looking at the pre-evolutions, Haunter's Legends Arceus entry calls it a spirit, quote "This frightful, malevolent spirit can glide through walls, appearing wherever it likes. According to rumor, victims of a Haunter's lick will wither to death day by day." and Gastly's Ultra Sun entry says "It's said that gas emanating from a graveyard was possessed by the grievances of the deceased and thus became a Pokémon." King Boo's control over ghosts extends beyond just a dead person's soul as Bogmire from the first Luigi's Mansion was the manifestation of the mansion's fear and despair. If Bogmire fell under King Boo's control, the same would happen to Gengar. And given how King Boo's paintings in Luigi's Mansion 2 and Dark Moon are portrayed as transmutation that leaves the target unable to act and they have always been able to hold Mario, who can jump in and out of painting worlds as shown in Super Mario 64 and paintings that have no source saying they're not just normal paintings in Super Mario Odyssey for the boss rematches. As for Gengar attacking King Boo's Crown, it can't actually do that. Knock Off, Trick, and Corrosive Gas ALL fail to remove form changing items like Giratina's Griseous Orb, Genesect's Drives, and Mega Stones, King Boo's Crown would be no different. Embargo doesn't revert a Mega or Primal Pokemon out of their altered form so it shouldn't work either and even if we give Gengar the benefit of the doubt and say it can, Embargo only lasts five turns and still cannot negate the ability to use Z-Moves so King Boo would still retain the Crown's powers in his weakened state. Going by this episode's own stats, King Boo was too durable for Gengar to take down without the continuous damage of Poison or a Burn, which it might screw itself out of being able to inflict by paralysing King Boo and trying to use Curse would inflict far more damage onto Gengar than it could possibly attempt to heal. But this is just using the episode's stats. Doing what the research team SHOULD have done and denying Gengar the completely fabricated ability to grow to the giant size of an Ancient Gengar, King Boo's size manipulation would allow him to compensate for a speed gap Gengar creates, cutting off that advantage, and THEN there's the elephant in the room: the castle feat. In Super Mario 64 DS King Boo fought Mario and WITHOUT his crown he fought Mario, Luigi, and Paper Mario in Mario and Luigi Paper Jam and took hits from them so there's no reason for him not to scale to Mario and Luigi's Castle Feat. At 200 Terajoules/cm2, that would make UNCROWNED King Boo 2,941 times stronger and more durable than Gengar! It is outright unfair to deny this to King Boo when you give a modern Gengar the ability to grow to the size of the ancient one (which was just its natural size not a Size Manipulation ability) and Mega Evolve without having a trainer with a Key Stone nearby. AT THE VERY LEAST King Boo would have this strength in his Bowser Suit, which his analysis said imitated the strength of Bowser. "Using this costume, King Boo can breathe fire, throw spike ball bombs, and imitate the koopa king’s strength." Canonically, King Boo would have Won
Pokémon have Mega Evolved without Trainers before, so that isn’t really a requirement. Also justifying gameplay mechanics as facts just makes your argument bad, especially your claim that Knock Off and Embargo cannot remove the Dark Crown or revert King Boo to an ordinary Boo. The reason it can’t affect those specific items and forms is simply because those moves would be beyond broken and overpowered in the games, nothing in the anime and other media has shown this love being unable to remove these items. Also considering that this is presumably a LV 100 Gengar, they would be no reason they couldn’t just fine a Sirus Berry during their training as we’re assuming both characters have reasonable access to peak versions. Moreover PokeDex entries aren’t 100% accurate or reliable, as there’s statistics and information stated there that is outright false(Tyrannitar is stated to have an impervious shell immune to force, yet can still be hurt by Normal and Fighting Type moves) or unproven(Gardevoir being capable of generating black holes, despite never seeing one ever having a move or ability that even remotely does something similar). Scaling them to the Mario Bros is unreasonable considering I don’t think he ever won against them in an actual fight without using unfair tactics like ambushes(how he trapped Mario in a painting). If you want to give King Boo that scaling that you must allow Gengar to be able to scale to legendary Pokémon, whom are capable of defeating them in the games. Legendary Pokémon like MewTwo and Groudon are much stronger than anything King Boo ever faced besides the Mario Bros. Plus the fact that Gengar has access to moves like Perish Song, that would just instantly kill King Boo since that’s its entire point. Protect, Substitute, Endure and Encore drastically improves Gengar’s survivability and has way more attack options due to his variety of moves that he has canon access to.
Also don't forget some pokemon lore suggests that Gengar isn't really a ghost, which further adds to the fact that pokedexs are bullshit. @Jgamer-jk1bp
King boo has strength high intelligence, dark magic manipulation flight teleportation portrait entering fire breath, pyrokinesis painting, imprisonment power, enchantment, power, gust, duplication, illusions ergokinesis energy, balls, electrokinesis portal, creation, ghost, summoning size change, probably telepathy telekinesis and and mind control. But Gengar has more moves and I am going to have to explain them all he has mega evolution a g max I’m going to explain his move sets and Tm’s so he has confuse ray hypnosis lick mean like Paris song, reflect type, shadow punch, payback split curse, hex sucker Punch, dark pulse shadow ball, destiny, bond, and dream eater for his egg moves. He can learn, smog, disable perish, song, reflect type, smog and toxic now his tm moves he knows, scary face, protect acid, spray, confuse ray, fief, facade, hex, icywind night shade fling venoshock endure sunny day, rain dance brick break, shadow claw, foul play bodyslam fire punch thunder, punch, ice punch, sleep, talk, drain punch, dazzling, gleam, metronome, thunder, wave, poison, job, rest taunt, toxic spikes inprison dark pulse, skill swap, gunk shot substitute will o wisp trick, giga, drain, shadow, ball, energy ball, psychic, encore, thunderbolt, nasty, plot, sludge, bomb, phantom force, giga, impact, focus, blast, trick, room hyper beam thunder and Tera blast and he has 78 moves to outlast king boo gengar is abilities, are levitate and curse body and especially cursed body, because if king boo does a Physical attack that will be disabled, so with gengar’s abilities, this makes gengar the winner
The music had no reason to go so hard!
Actually Ink did post a google doc that had what would have been the analysis and post analysis in his pinned comment for Gengar vs King Boo. It was actually kinda close.
Shhhhh Wilding doesn’t have to know
@@The_Mago3011 fair enough
@@The_Mago3011at least Ink will be ok in the future
And that is what matters most
Do you have a link to that
I love that they showed the giant form from the anime
Knock off is a move that knocks off an item, an the irony is that because Gengar was a ghost type resulting in it being ghost like and not an actual ghost was a positive as it made it so that The King of Boos couldn't control it as he could other ghost
actualy that is not true. The Pokemon moon pokedex states "It apparently wishes for a traveling companion. Since it was once human itself, it tries to create one by taking the lives of other humans." it is still a ghost
@josiahlute7808 Here's the real problem some Gengar are born naturally Through a combination of poisonous gas and cursed energy And some are cursed to this fate by grabbing onto a ninetail's tail But there's also the part where you could just die and end up like this. Or if you accidentally cross over into the realm of death right on the boundary So honestly where the fuck do we draw the line for ghost types!?
@@flonneofthestars3709 Pokemon Eggs in General dont make sence. Cubone is born whereing the skull of its dead mother, mimikyu is born with its costume on and kangaskhan is born with its chld in its pouch
Have a Happy Halloween
You as well!
Gengar is not cheating because no Said you do anything like eat oran berry
Read the conclusion and this episode is horribly wrong, even by its own stats. Literally NONE of Gengar's victory argument holds up to scrutiny.
For starters, Gengar's statuses and healing weren't anywhere near as solid as the conclusion portrayed them to be.
While Confuse Ray can't be dodged, Confusion only has a 25% chance to hit King Boo with his own attack, which would do very little damage to him with the given stats, and it's only temporary.
Sleep can only be inflicted by Hypnosis which has an innate 40% chance to miss.
Paralysis has the same 1/4 chance to activate as Confusion and can only be inflicted by Thunder on a 30% chance (which without time spent setting up Rain Dance, which is only temporary, has a 30% chance to miss and King Boo is fast enough to dodge it anyways) or Thunderbolt/Thunder Punch on a measly 10% chance.
Freeze is only a 10% chance off Ice Punch and even under this condition a pokemon in the games can immediately thaw themselves out by using a fire move, which King Boo has several of.
Will-o-Wisp's flames aren't spectral or magical, they're only ever described as "sinister", so they actually shouldn't get around King Boo's passive intangibility, so Gengar cannot easily lay it on him and would have to rely on the 10% chance from Fire Punch to Burn King Boo.
Burn, Sleep, Paralysis, Poison, and Freeze are all mutually exclusive effects that cannot combine with eachother so King Boo would only deal with one at a time, and with Poison, Burn, and Paralysis not being cured over time King Boo would only EVER have to deal with one of those three.
And Curse is the only one of Gengar's status moves that can bypass Protect, so King Boo's energy shields should similarly protect him from them.
Curse may be strong and can combine with other status effects, but it takes HALF of Gengar's HP to use and he can't heal it all back. Giga Drain and Dream Eater only heal half the damage they inflict so needing 70 hits to win Gengar could only heal itself by 1/140th of King Boo's HP per use. As for the stored items, going by how the only berry any member of the Gengar line holds in the wild is a Chesto Berry there is no reason to assume Gengar would have even ONE of a substantial healing berry like the Sitrus Berry, and Pokemon are unable to use man made items like Potions as held items in the games so Gengar wouldn't be able to benefit from a Max Potion. And with his ability to travel dimensions, King Boo would be able to target and destroy Gengar's items. With Gengar's healing this ineffective, it wouldn't heal enough to make King Boo need any more than 10 attacks to take it down.
Gengar can slow King Boo down, but it's not likely to last. King Boo can take the fight to a different dimension where Gengar would have to set Trick Room back up (Mega Gengar's Shadow Tag doesn't work on Ghost Types that are actually ghosts like Phantump and Yamask), and since switching out reverts stats to normal in the games this could potentially undo the debuff of Scary Face. King Boo's analysis says "Using his dimension warping abilities, King Boo sucked Luigi into a painting then armed himself with a costume he created of Bowser.", so King Boo WAS given the ability to warp dimensions, meaning there's no reason he can't destroy the Trick Room, which HAS happened in the Anime. Even if Gengar got faster, King Boo could still hold Gengar still in his telekinesis and throw him into his attacks as he did E. Gadd and the Toads right before the final battle of Luigi's Mansion 3.
And then there's the FACT King Boo is capable of controlling Gengar. When the conclusion said Gengar wasn't a ghost, it was wrong. Gengar's Pokedex Entry in Pokemon Moon outright says was once human. Quote, "It apparently wishes for a traveling companion. Since it was once human itself, it tries to create one by taking the lives of other humans". Even looking at the pre-evolutions, Haunter's Legends Arceus entry calls it a spirit, quote "This frightful, malevolent spirit can glide through walls, appearing wherever it likes. According to rumor, victims of a Haunter's lick will wither to death day by day." and Gastly's Ultra Sun entry says "It's said that gas emanating from a graveyard was possessed by the grievances of the deceased and thus became a Pokémon." King Boo's control over ghosts extends beyond just a dead person's soul as Bogmire from the first Luigi's Mansion was the manifestation of the mansion's fear and despair. If Bogmire fell under King Boo's control, the same would happen to Gengar.
And given how King Boo's paintings in Luigi's Mansion 2 and Dark Moon are portrayed as transmutation that leaves the target unable to act and they have always been able to hold Mario, who can jump in and out of painting worlds as shown in Super Mario 64 and paintings that have no source saying they're not just normal paintings in Super Mario Odyssey for the boss rematches.
As for Gengar attacking King Boo's Crown, it can't actually do that. Knock Off, Trick, and Corrosive Gas ALL fail to remove form changing items like Giratina's Griseous Orb, Genesect's Drives, and Mega Stones, King Boo's Crown would be no different. Embargo doesn't revert a Mega or Primal Pokemon out of their altered form so it shouldn't work either and even if we give Gengar the benefit of the doubt and say it can, Embargo only lasts five turns and still cannot negate the ability to use Z-Moves so King Boo would still retain the Crown's powers in his weakened state.
Going by this episode's own stats, King Boo was too durable for Gengar to take down without the continuous damage of Poison or a Burn, which it might screw itself out of being able to inflict by paralysing King Boo and trying to use Curse would inflict far more damage onto Gengar than it could possibly attempt to heal.
But this is just using the episode's stats. Doing what the research team SHOULD have done and denying Gengar the completely fabricated ability to grow to the giant size of an Ancient Gengar, King Boo's size manipulation would allow him to compensate for a speed gap Gengar creates, cutting off that advantage, and THEN there's the elephant in the room: the castle feat.
In Super Mario 64 DS King Boo fought Mario and WITHOUT his crown he fought Mario, Luigi, and Paper Mario in Mario and Luigi Paper Jam and took hits from them so there's no reason for him not to scale to Mario and Luigi's Castle Feat. At 200 Terajoules/cm2, that would make UNCROWNED King Boo 2,941 times stronger and more durable than Gengar! It is outright unfair to deny this to King Boo when you give a modern Gengar the ability to grow to the size of the ancient one (which was just its natural size not a Size Manipulation ability) and Mega Evolve without having a trainer with a Key Stone nearby. AT THE VERY LEAST King Boo would have this strength in his Bowser Suit, which his analysis said imitated the strength of Bowser. "Using this costume, King Boo can breathe fire, throw spike ball bombs, and imitate the koopa king’s strength."
Canonically, King Boo would have Won
Pokémon have Mega Evolved without Trainers before, so that isn’t really a requirement. Also justifying gameplay mechanics as facts just makes your argument bad, especially your claim that Knock Off and Embargo cannot remove the Dark Crown or revert King Boo to an ordinary Boo. The reason it can’t affect those specific items and forms is simply because those moves would be beyond broken and overpowered in the games, nothing in the anime and other media has shown this love being unable to remove these items. Also considering that this is presumably a LV 100 Gengar, they would be no reason they couldn’t just fine a Sirus Berry during their training as we’re assuming both characters have reasonable access to peak versions. Moreover PokeDex entries aren’t 100% accurate or reliable, as there’s statistics and information stated there that is outright false(Tyrannitar is stated to have an impervious shell immune to force, yet can still be hurt by Normal and Fighting Type moves) or unproven(Gardevoir being capable of generating black holes, despite never seeing one ever having a move or ability that even remotely does something similar). Scaling them to the Mario Bros is unreasonable considering I don’t think he ever won against them in an actual fight without using unfair tactics like ambushes(how he trapped Mario in a painting). If you want to give King Boo that scaling that you must allow Gengar to be able to scale to legendary Pokémon, whom are capable of defeating them in the games. Legendary Pokémon like MewTwo and Groudon are much stronger than anything King Boo ever faced besides the Mario Bros. Plus the fact that Gengar has access to moves like Perish Song, that would just instantly kill King Boo since that’s its entire point. Protect, Substitute, Endure and Encore drastically improves Gengar’s survivability and has way more attack options due to his variety of moves that he has canon access to.
Also don't forget some pokemon lore suggests that Gengar isn't really a ghost, which further adds to the fact that pokedexs are bullshit. @Jgamer-jk1bp
King boo has strength high intelligence, dark magic manipulation flight teleportation portrait entering fire breath, pyrokinesis painting, imprisonment power, enchantment, power, gust, duplication, illusions ergokinesis energy, balls, electrokinesis portal, creation, ghost, summoning size change, probably telepathy telekinesis and and mind control. But Gengar has more moves and I am going to have to explain them all he has mega evolution a g max I’m going to explain his move sets and Tm’s so he has confuse ray hypnosis lick mean like Paris song, reflect type, shadow punch, payback split curse, hex sucker Punch, dark pulse shadow ball, destiny, bond, and dream eater for his egg moves. He can learn, smog, disable perish, song, reflect type, smog and toxic now his tm moves he knows, scary face, protect acid, spray, confuse ray, fief, facade, hex, icywind night shade fling venoshock endure sunny day, rain dance brick break, shadow claw, foul play bodyslam fire punch thunder, punch, ice punch, sleep, talk, drain punch, dazzling, gleam, metronome, thunder, wave, poison, job, rest taunt, toxic spikes inprison dark pulse, skill swap, gunk shot substitute will o wisp trick, giga, drain, shadow, ball, energy ball, psychic, encore, thunderbolt, nasty, plot, sludge, bomb, phantom force, giga, impact, focus, blast, trick, room hyper beam thunder and Tera blast and he has 78 moves to outlast king boo gengar is abilities, are levitate and curse body and especially cursed body, because if king boo does a Physical attack that will be disabled, so with gengar’s abilities, this makes gengar the winner
My friend for the love of god please use paragraphs