Chivalry for Pures, -2 Prayer BIS Mage Cape, Rapier Sucks | Ramble 245
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The prayer drainrate is actually HIGHER than piety if using ult str incred reflex and steel skin. Which, is something that alot of people don't realize.
Yep, just combine the prayers. I don't care if it is a scroll of divine combination that is a monster drop or if they just allow us to do it like with prayer filters. We don't really need chivalry (the extra str bonus would be nice), but the combined aspect is 100% needed. Most the time I just don't even pray attack or defence unless I'm flicking quick prayers.
ALL THAT SAID. Chivalry is used by NOBODY. So I understand the aspect/ask to use it on pures/zerkers. It just makes sense. Plus it gives a combat level for those 8 prayer levels. Might as well delete Chivalry if they don't let zerks or pures use it.
People literally skip past chivalry for piety, why they whining about that? 😂
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At this point people are just voting no to chivalry solely because of "haha memes"
Chivalry is used by literally nobody and its a negligible dps increase to the least used combat style (melee).
Moving it to holy grail would've fixed the lore issue that the quest-helper reddit boys suddenly care so much about.
If Jagex integrities it tomorrow people would probably not notice the difference tbh.
I really like the idea to combine the three pure prayers. That's a perfect compromise to the people pushing for chivalry and those who are against it.
This Chivalry thing is the biggest mess since the PvP Arena reward shop
5:43 "Coxie entering bandos" lmaooo
"you decided to limit your account" feels like such a mute point. Does that mean no qol updates that effect limited account builds? Tying it to a different quest and making it accessible to ALL account builds earlier than it already is sounds like such a good way to give it some sort of use.
Problem is that where the """""QoL""""" ends? Remove defence requirement from avernic & d defender next? faceguard? quests? because you think it's """""QoL""""""
I agree that they should rebalance the shittier prayers to make them not dogsht but even though it's a meme at this point you literally chose to play with restrictions.. despite it's meme state it's very true statement that you should play WITH restrictions, not cry and moan to remove them for your sake
@@Gobble-mike-hawk Remove defence requirement from avernic & d defender next? faceguard? quests? because you think it's """""QoL""""""
This is a very good example of tell me you're bad faith without telling me your bad faith. They are not analogous.
@@ThePrototypexx But it's the same reasoning, why. _why_ you need to have chivalry.
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I think negative prayer or such could work for balancing a new item, but it feels really bad on an upgrade for something like a Mage Cape. Especially when Infernal and Quiver gave a stronger upgrade without any drawbacks.
Thank you for another Ramble. I've been working through the backlog of your older casts at work and it's great to see the evolution of your thought process towards the game and patches.
Whole heartedly disagree that it’s only about QOL. It’s about offensive power locked behind the Defense skill. Deadeye and Mystic Vigour (confirmed coming to the game) are good steps in the right direction but not having a melee equivalent is ridiculous.
Strength bonus from torva is also locked behind the defense skill. Defenders are also locked behind the defense skill. I don't really see why locking things behind the defense skill is such a bad idea.
@@thecrazyeagle9674 locking prayer offensives behind defense doesn't really make sense tbh
@@JordanITCSo... Give pures piety, augury, and rigour?
No.
@@JordanITC but why not? We have other things in the game that give you damage that is locked behind defense, why should prayer be any different?
@thecrazyeagle9674 is there anywhere on the planet where larger more defensive oriented priests are more religious or more skilled prayer wise? Then why does it make sense to have it in osrs?
Looking like coxie entering bandos had me in stiches XDD
Bro what even are you talking about?? The tier 1 melee prayers are insanely good.
They had their prayer drain rate decreased massively, you can now pray them along with overheads when afking slayer tasks at negligible prayer drain or when you just don't want to bother prayer flicking Piety.
Same for tier 1 ranged and magic prayers - having them on costs almost nothing, it's a must to have them enabled, if you can't afford to use the higher tier ones.
Just pray the tier 2 prayers, the drain rate is still negligible for twice the benefit.
Or just pray piety, for most tasks you don't even have to pray protect from melee if you're praying piety in bandos. Sip a prayer pot and eat a piece of food occasionally. It's really not going to break the bank.
@Nuvizzle tier2s have six time the drainrate of tier1s, and having att, str, and def tier2s active would be almost as much as Piety's drainrate.
But the main point still stands, low lvl prayers have a use and advocating for their (essentially) removal comes from ignorance of this fact.
also imbued i always found it odd the imbued GOD capes did not have prayer bonus
Yeah I think you're right about that slight negative prayer. I think if they are to do negative prayer bonus, it should be a SEVERE negative prayer bonus, so you actually FEEL your points shooting down as you put the item on. Like Frodo putting on the ring or something.
You mentioned splitting piety as a joke, but I honestly wouldn't mind something that makes basic mechanics more difficult if you want it to be. Kinda like the idea behind the stationary thralls. Doesn't necessarily have to be an strength/attack/defense split though. Anything system that involves a little extra consideration while fighting, I would be in favor of.
I think this Mage cape is not the intended "Infernal" equivalent for Magic. It feels like they're holding back, it's such a miniscule buff over what we have now mainly because Shadow limits mage gear powercreep, I think this is a temporary BiS while they rebalance Magic and the Shadow, and THEN they release the actual untradeable Infernal-tier Magic cape.
Chivalry shouldn't go to pures but it should go to Zerkers with the requirement of completing Holy Grail (which gives Def xp). I would support a consolidation of the 15% tier Prayers for pures though.
The T80 melee weapons could use buffs, mace should work and add to the Inq set eff, Saeldor (as well as Chally) should work with Crystal armour which would make Crystal armour a hybrid armour set like how it is in Leagues or in the Gauntlet. As for Rapier, I'm not sure, I think keeping that as the generic 4t weapon works fine, just buff its stats, everyone was afraid of powercreep at the time and didn't want another Chaotic rapier but most people didn't even realize that Blowpipe was way better DPS than a Chaotic rapier ever was, it's time, we can give the Ghrazi rapier the Chaotic rapier's stats and Fang would still be better on anything with good def bonuses, but the rapier would definitely carve out a niche for itself against anything low def and when not using an Inquisitor/Crystal set eff with the other two weapons.
That is what players said back with MA2 Capes... And that was 7 years ago, months after the Inferno, and players were disappointed with them too. Now they scrapped Mage Cape from Colo due to balancing issues with Shadow and offer another "temporary BiS" Magic Cape shortly after Ranged gets its big cape only 6 years after Assembler. So if they do add this Mage Cape, given their track record it feels like it would be another half a decade before we get an Infernal Tier Magic Cape.
Yes, it feels like a BiS "so far". Not a true BiS. It's not being hyped in the same way the Quiver was.
@@ListensToStuff exactly this is like a half-step between Ma2 cape and whatever our longterm BiS mage cape will be once they figure out wtf to do about Shadow lmao
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It’s 1000% hatred of pures. No one cares about lore. If they say it’s lore, they’re lying.
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new weapon at nylos won't work, it's demon types only.
will be nice for farming ecu keys on imps I guess?
Chivalry could be an unlock after holy grail so zerkers can use it or after merlin crystal so pures can use it.
"pures have been suffering for like 12 years" acting like they were held at gunpoint making their account
I love the concept of the combination prayers, HOWEVER that is a huge change to the entire prayer book, I'd vote yes to a QOL update like that... Now my thought and I'd love to hear your opinion or make a video on it whatever you wanna do. What if there was a QOL to quick prayers and we were able to keybind a quick prayer load out (meaning multiple)? It allows the user to be creative with the prayers they would like to utilize and it would improve gameplay. We have keybinds for tabs, run energy, and key remapping... why not have a quick prayer load out that you can keybind in the keybind interface? I've brought this up in the OSRS discord and people have argued about Jagex bringing in keybinds but I tell them... dude... we already have them and you don't even notice it? F keys, CTRL, and Shift clicking? Anyways I'd love to hear your thoughts and the communities if your keen on replying.
I feel that most the people thr continue to vote no, just do so out of pure spite for that one time they got pked for 50k.
On the topic of the t80 melee weapons, i think giving them all some sort of unique effect would be nice. Rapier could ever have a special that acts as a counter similiar to Sols counter mechanic, where if you spec at the right time youre guaranteed to hit 50% of your max hit instantly, completely removed from your normal attack delay. Mace could have a stacking defence reduction up to 15% after 5 attacks on the target? Saeldor could have.... something... sort of out of ideas for saeldor but it definitely needs something now with nox hally basically overshadowing it if you dont have endgame gear.
I think if nothing else, change the drain rate on chivalry to 1pp/3s from 1pp/1.5s to give it a niche use over piety in cases (like slayer or something) by making it more "cost effective" to use. You don't get as big a damage bonus, but it lasts longer.
On the consolidation path, I think it's fine at this point to have a tier 1 combined prayer at like 18 prayer, then the "red" trio prayers at 35 prayer. Thought process here being you get the combo prayer after you unlocked the next tier of individual prayers.
On the argument of the dislike of the idea being lore based I don't think that holds up anymore. I voted no on the initial poll to offer it as a drop for that reason but they offered an alternative route by making xp from holy grail offered via a lamp in the last poll and I voted yes that time but it did not come to pass.
VLS would be fantastic if you could use it anywhere in BH worlds
Zombie Axe being on-par with a Saeldor in ANY situation grinds tf out of my gears.
#BuffSaeldor
I've always thought they should add an item that's got insane stats or dps potential but removes all stamina while it's worn so you can't run at all
Do enjoy the rambles on miscellaneous rs stuff. Good to see others' viewpoints.
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Give chivalry to pures and zerks already
ew no
Do you still stream on TH-cam Saedor ??
what about a prayercube that saves 3 clicks? ;)
I unironically would've voted yes to all the chivalry changes in the last poll if they weren't bundled. I can't abide voting yes for bundled questions because to me it just goes against the spirit of polling and is a shallow attempt by Jagex to push things through that they feel are too contentious to stand alone. I would rather the game devs not act like US politicians, I get enough of that in the real world.
I really miss the old Coke Zero.
RIP a real one
1st three prayer tiers should be combined.
Maybe just take that reddit suggestion and then delete chivalry
make chivalry 40 def and no one would have a problem with it zerkers need a buff anyway
30:20 the fang vs rapier comparison is wrong. It compares fang spec dps vs rapier regular attack dps.
UPGRADE RAPIER
That pleb arguing with himself moaning about pures wanting chivalry when they self impose restrictions. This is just not what is happening. Pures do not in fact want 3.75 combat levels for 1 max hit lol. It would just be a suboptimal build option for people who want some variety in account builds. Other than that having chivalry more accessible is just logical for mid-game progression and it's having no impact on pure meta whatsoever
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Fr tho reddit is weird. I don't see any problem with chivalry outside of pvp pures and reddit and Twitter loves to hate anything pvp because they don't know how to tank.
They do have one click for all three ‘sub chivalry’ prayers - it’s called activate quick prayers
Fuck it just bring back turmoil
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i love this cast and channel but maaan some of Bae's takes are pure unadulterated autism. & i say that as a very nearly maxed main with
I would vote to delete pures. All attacks give defence XP, apart from defensive attacks.
I'm in
Delete irons while ur at it or put them ina private server where trading and wildy is gone
@Dabs_4_Dayz that would be great for the game
Pure's choose a restriction. I just genuinely do not understand why if they choose a restriction (that 90% of them choose it to gain an advantage in pvp), then get something to accommodate the restriction. Iron is often the same way. Making updates that cater to pures or irons is not the direction imo.
When something becomes a staple of the game like pures, zerkers, iron man, etc they should absolutely add in things to cater to those accounts because they became popular enough to actually have a community you have Pure clans, pure content creators, pure live streamers, it has a community like anything else and enough of players that it’s worth catering too your way of playing the game is just as important as another’s I never understood people who downvote just because they won’t participate or gain from the update
I just want prayer animations when activating preserve, piety, rigour etc and a special one for the new cilvalry one mentioned on reddit.
Jagex has to be careful to not go too far with how they update the basics of old school. Im not against new prayers, new content, etc, however, its a "slippery slope" if we arent careful. People have to remember that pures & other restricted accounts are meant to min-max & play around the restrictions. I never understood the complaints some have about certain items, content, etc being out of reach for pures, or some things being wayyyy more difficult for them, when they themselves made the decision to create a pure...
idk, maybe im just a sucker for nostalgia but i luv my big arm & big brain prayers ;_;
what the hell are you even talking about? Just yapping to yap.
POG
i dont want pures to have nice things because that sounds like a pvp win and thats the only way i can fight back pvpers when going for my pvm voidwaker. loot pinatas unite!
Stupid logic when they could just hop on their main instead and have twice amount of dps? Surely you'd prefer a pure to hop onto you instead of a virtus bofa sweat? Less Pures exist the more chance a main would get onto you.
@@garystill1308 the logic is not breeding more pkers. the less qol a pker have, the less likely they are to continue. pettiness is coming from the time i lost my full blowpipe doing a hardclue after tobbing on a high risk world. got no warning when teleporting and now i have permanent ptsd
@@Beikenost sounds like a spite vote to me, there is always going to be Pkers no matter what, if Pures die off they will just move up to the med/main for the QOLs and so much more dps. They aren't going to stop they are just going to restrict themselves less because it's not fun with the current system of prayers.
Restricted accounts should have restricted access to content as it is part of the game mode. We recently removed CoX boosting because of the integrity of Ironman. I see your points about the UIM QoL changes and as a 2250 total level UIM I think they have gone quite too far. The early game POH storage in the costume room is quite too much for 42 Construction.
I agree with your suggestion for combined early prayers (Burst of Strength/Clarity of Thought or the other 2). Chivalry should stay where it is.
Construction isn't that hard anymore between MH and how many solos they did during 99 FM.
keep chiv as dead content?
Got to say no to chivalry to show jagex that no means no
Pures don’t need chivalry lol
The whole reason pures exist is to take advantage of the jankiness of combat levels to have absurd DPS in their combat bracket. High tier prayers were given a defense requirement specifically to balance that because pures were too OP. Keyword "were." They did fix it. You no longer have an advantage for refusing to level your defense, and in fact, today you are disadvantaged. So why are we talking about breaking it again by buffing pures? And why are we framing it as QoL or "having empathy"? It's not about that. It's about balance.
So look, if you want to combine the low tier prayers into one so the pures who don't know about quick prayers can have the QoL of clicking once, fine. But giving them chivalry is a buff. A buff they shouldn't have for BALANCE reasons. Of COURSE they want it, Saeder. Why wouldn't they want to have the advantage they once had? It's not about what they want, it's about what's healthy for the game.
As for rapier, fully agree it needs love. Maybe more so than mace and blade. Blade still has a place in the iron meta as its accessible fairly early there, and mace is better with the improved inquisitors. Rapier is in an awkward place where it's just worse than fang for stab on everything besides slayer mobs, and is more rare from harder content. You could buff its stats so it becomes better than fang in some cases, or go the elder maul route and show it some love in the form of a spec or passive effect.
I also do like the concept of giving it some sort of effect that makes it BiS for melee nylos. Making its use case the content it comes from makes a lot of sense. I like the idea of removing or reducing the attack delay if it finishes, or maybe going monkey room route and guaranteeing oneshot on melee nylos (i don't know if that is enough to take it over swift blade since it is still 4t and swift will oneshot about 3/4 anyway. Dual maracas oneshot about 95% and I believe the consensus is still to take swift blade. So that might not be enough).
please start ur videos when you actually start the topic, why does every one of your videos require like 2-3minutes skipped lmfao
You clearly don't know wtf the word ramble means
@@yunghuztler1000 rambling about the topic mentioned in the video = good
rambling about.....sunlight ? his drink ? absolutely not needed for it to be a ramble about the topic at hand
@magictrev80 no it's not lmao stop tryna make it fit your narrative. Ramble: "talk or write at length in a confused or inconsequential way." Literally talk about anything randomly, and focusing on some topics.
at this point if anyone wants their own changes, just hope community servers become a thing lmao
Shoving people into private servers isn’t the answer
@OSRS2ndBase If they don't want BIS to have any drawbacks idk what to tell em
@@LunarcomplexMain what sort of argument is this?
As a 1 defence player, stop all this catering to 1 defence. No we play a game with a set of boundaries we give up our rights to have access to everything. Thats what draws me to 1 defence. If you want to do PvM etc just make a main with defence..
lmao you aint a real pure player. every account build as been given power creep EXCEPT for 1 def builds. Go get def on that trash pure of yours.
@@dantelabella9753 lmfao been a pure player since 05. It's catering to these "i want it all" babies.
@@jamiegorge7481 homeboy thinks its still 2005, give up on that failed pure of yours.
@dantelabella9753 maxed 50 attack with everything just working on a infernal. Proves you don't need to be catered to play the game princess.
@@jamiegorge7481 your 99 runecrafting?
4th lol
first
Nope
I voted no to chivalry for pures mostly because of the way jagex tried to pass it sneakily with some pvm rewards. Also because I believe chivalry should be the zerker 45 def (maybe 30 for inq/masori builds) prayer, while pures use the regular ones they've been using forever. "oh but they have to click 3 times" yeah and one of those is purely for defense bonuses, while on a build that strictly focuses on 0 defense...
Chivalry doesn't need the defence bonus. Nobody uses those prayers in pvm for the defence bonus. They use them in pvp sure, but making an attack and str bonus prayer (while still needed to activate steel skin for defence bonus) is the best way. We just need a combo att/str prayer, fk the defence
you lost me at vls is a garbage weapon lol