whats your advice on say (late 50s) imo inferred in the question, more than getting the black belt, the concern may be, getting beat by 30 Year Old Blue Belts (or even big strong guys that are White Belts, ie Nicky Rod extreme example but an example none the less), at your existing academy, everyone knows you and what you did in the past, (say late 40s early 50s) and now maybe its harder for you to get the submissions, at the new academy no one knows what you did in the past, and people just know, hey he just got tapped by so and so white belt or blue belt, there can be a feeling of , that the people at the new academy may question your rank ..... how should we deal with this?
Great advice: don't let the pursuit of belts take away from the enjoyment of the sport. I'm 50 and love the jiu-jitsu community, training all over the world. As we navigate this new digital era where travel has become an integral part of our lives, it highlights the importance of better communication. As a practitioner, I've switched academies four times in a year, seeking environments where this communication thrives. I've trained at great academies with great coaches and moved on because I enjoy cross-training with everyone. At a few academies, I mentioned that I didn't want any promotions, as I had agreed with my coach in Europe that he would promote me when he felt I was ready. The owner of my current school, where I'm training now, got in touch with him, and I was promoted to a black belt in December 2023. This journey underscores the need for instructors to maintain clearer communication with their students, fostering a more enriching training experience.
Great advice: don't let the pursuit of belts take away from the enjoyment of the sport. I'm 50 and love the jiu-jitsu community, training all over the world. As we navigate this new digital era where travel has become an integral part of our lives, it highlights the importance of better communication. As a practitioner, I've switched academies four times in a year, seeking environments where this communication thrives. I've trained at great academies with great coaches and moved on because I enjoy cross-training with everyone. At a few academies, I mentioned that I didn't want any promotions, as I had agreed with my coach in Europe that he would promote me when he felt I was ready. The owner of my current school, where I'm training now, got in touch with him, and I was promoted to a black belt in December 2023. This journey underscores the need for instructors to maintain clearer communication with their students, fostering a more enriching training experience.
I'm a brown belt well into my forties. I had to change gyms after being a brown belt for almost a year, due to moving for work. It felt weird having to take the last step under a completely new coach. So I feel very lucky that my old coach agreed that he would promote me to black when time comes. And I also feel very lucky that my current coach completely understood where I was coming from and agreed with me staying under my old coach. So now the new coach is in charge of the stripes and the old coach will eventually give me my black belt.
I had to change academies at Brown Belt, being 49,due to moving house. First, I commuted 90 miles 3 times a week to my old academy, but luckily, I found another academy with a professor who got his black belt from the same lineage as my professor a few Mile's from where I moved to, and was allowed to train there with no issues,I eventually got my black belt from my original instructor and my first academy which I was so grateful for, I'm still training at my 2nd academy 7 yrs later. Sometimes, with a heavy heart due to family issues, you have to change academies,
I’ve been doing bjj for 2 years and am a 3 stripe blue belt and I’m considering on changing gyms. The reason for possibly changing is that the main instructor I initially signed up to be trained by is only at the gym once a week (saturdays) since he moved out of town. His 76 year old dad mainly teaches but I know that a lot of the people in the gym are disenfranchised because they signed up to be trained by the main instructor and not his dad. The level of training between the two is like night and day. The main guy is technical and explains things out while the dad just shows the moves without the needed details. I’ve even asked my main instructor what can I work on to get better or what mistakes do i keep making and all I get is “you’re doing good”. Our gym unfortunately is more of a rec hall type of training gym instead of what the gym claims to be on their website.
I’ve been a brown for 10 years lol 😂. Idk I have a career, and lots of hobbies . I don’t care about belts anymore, I was looked down upon for cross training with college wrestlers, judo , leg locks 15 years ago , lol I watch the scene now and just laugh about the cycle of techniques. I just drop by any gym when I feel like rolling, I’m respectful and nice to everyone, I never run into problems except black belts dodging me 😂😂😂
This is where judo is tracked usually very meticulous you you do (xyz ) for each rank your given rank cards. I do like the formality of judo and imo their organizations are ran far better than BJJ which is very informal. Both could really learn a lot from each other as there is pluses and minuses to both.
100% - Got my brown belt 10 years ago, professor moved to Texas and ended up stalling out at the next gym, not getting better. Left there, found a good gym but Covid hit and moved and finally after a 3 year break found the best academy I've ever been at. Life is short - take an environment you thrive in over sticking around for the belt - it will come when it's time. Sticking around an environment you're not growing in (or enjoying) not worth it to be a mediocre black belt imo. Also, don't feel guilted into staying at a bad academy/ loyalty but it's a 2 way street - don't owe it to the academy to stick around when the professor isn't doing their part (assuming you're doing yours)..
I totally hear you. This is where I feel I am at and the same goes for my wife. We get discouraged because we’re not told of how good we’re doing, what we need to work on and what we should be knowing during our certain belt phases.
This was me 2 years ago, I had my brown belt for about 8 years, changed academies, opened a club and thought the only way to receive my black belt was to compete until people complained about me sandbagging. I received my blackbelt about 9 months later. It was a shock because I thought it would take a couple of years hard graft to prove myself to my new instructor. I guess my mindset to be the best brown belt around helped.
I was in this exact situation in late 2020. At that time, I was already a 4 stripe brown belt and I felt like I was not improving in jiu jitsu. I didn’t have any confidence in my moves was ready to take a break from jiu jitsu. After careful consideration, I decided to join a new gym. It was the best thing for me. I was able to get advice about my game that no one told about. I was focused on trying to accumulate techniques thinking that is how I would get my black belt. Professor Tassia and Professor Kristof of Gracie Barra Roseville advised me to utilize my favorite positions and work from there. That’s when I found out that I like guard passing and going for collar chokes. I felt that if I stayed at my old gym I may have not got that advice. I know it’s a hard to make a change like that but sometimes to experience growth you need to get a little uncomfortable.
I moved academies as an older purple belt. What helped me integrate and build credibility was to start competing (averagely!) On behalf of my new school.
maybe get a private from the new instructor you are joining so he can see your level and skills and get to know you and your game. Also ask your instructor if he knows anybody in the city you are moving to. May put in a word to the new instructor for you.
At our Academy, if you are close to your next promotion when you need to leave. We will speak to your new Professor and make arrangements to be there for your promotion if at all possible. Also if that instructor is not comfortable with the promotion, we will come there and promote that student ourselves with the permission of the future instructor.
Nowadays that is SO true. An instructor can get new/average skilled students to their next level, but at some point, you have to take the reins. With all of the content available, there’s no excuse not to captain your own boat.
@@UnskilledGrappler no I mean literally many of them don't even train with the students, they have no background in academics or education, and the 'techniques' they demonstrate have never been tested in competition or in the cage. It's becoming like taekwondo. You're better off finding a few good friends with mats and drilling stuff from bjjfanatics, atos online, or jiujitsux. Then find open mats in your city to test the techniques. If you aren't consistently training with people better than you, you aren't improving. Seek them out. You'll waste thousands of dollars at academies trying to learn from people who wouldn't even know your name without an attendance card.
That would suck to have to switch at brown. Hopefully by then you’ve already found a gym ur happy with. Good advice Bernardo. Do it if u must but for promotion expect to wait 1-2 years until they know u.
This happen to me lol. I had to move as an older brown belt. Im a hobbyist not a competitor but im debating to compete and see if getting first place would help or not
I think the community as a whole lacks instructors well-versed in pedagogical methodologies. People who teach need to know something about how to teach and how to communicate to students. I wouldn't mind a syllabus either, come to think of it.
Judo guy here and had the same issue. Was within 6-12 months of getting my black belt and the owner had to close shop. Drove 40 minutes to the next closest place. Started over at white belt and did one promotion after two years. I wasn’t progressing technically, but it was exercise and randori. One of the black belts was awesome and really should have run the class (experienced in bjj and boxing) so I stuck around to partner with him. When he moved on so did I. Morale of the story is that while you never stop learning, at some point the group of people who know mores than you starts becoming smaller and you may have to search a bit. Been doing bjj for a year now. Instructor is great and it’s close, but it’s not my “first love”.
What advice do u have for a 2ns degree Black belt. In this situation, just simply relocating to another state. I don’t own or plan to own an academy. Just simply training
You're already a black belt so you don't have to worry about getting promoted to black belt. As degrees is more of a "time in" thing, let your instructor know who your previous instructor was if he wants to verify when the previous instructor gave you your last degree.
I am only a 3 stripe brown belt, but we have a guy that is a second degree black belt who moved from out of state, and from a completely different academy with a different lineage, etc., who started training with us. When I am teaching class he shakes everyone's hand, lines up with everyone else, takes instruction, and is a great training partner. I of course like to go listen when he's giving his training partner advise and pick his brain when I can. He's great to have with us. My advise (for what it's worth) is to just go and talk to the ones in charge of the new place and any other black belts that teach there, and just get to know them, let them get to know you, and discuss your intentions. You want to end up somewhere you like the people at the top & where they are welcoming toward you as well. You don't want to end up in a place where there is a clash of egos.
@@bradleylivingston6514I’m optimistic and immediately thought about this scenario. I haven’t been to a gym that wouldn’t be thrilled to have a second degree black belt come train. The room will elevate just having you around. If they don’t feel that way, it tells you what that gym values and the culture they promote.
I think is not that. As a older perple belt i think the problem is all the work to reincert himself in the pack order. I have young lower belts in my gim that can destroy-me, but that was not the case wen they arrived. So there is a bit of respect. A new gim as a brownbelt and evry body wonts to kill you, he is older and doesent need that type of fight or training. Older ppl dont realy care about the belt. They care about there shape and the enjoyment of the practice. With there gim friends. The belt system is more important to kids.
Talk with the new instructor.Tell him what exactly you looking for.A place to train and stay in shape? A new Home and a new jiu jitsu family? Maybe you have a plan to open your own academy in the area,you need to tell him,and if not also tell him,he will treat you different.Also ask him,what are his criteria for promoting peope in your status.Dont be shy,do it in a polite and respectful manner,you are an old timer brown belt,and if he is a honest person he will not see your question in a negative eye.Now its his turn, maybe he will tell you hes not ptomoting people before a full year of training with him,Or maybe he will tell you that if you compete and takes gold hell give you your black,or he can tell you to do an avaliation test that will cost you some money.Just coordinate expectations.
I’m a brown belt who recently moved to a new academy. I’d be happy with putting on a white belt if my new instructor asked me! Belt only covers 2” of your ass as they say
Dont giv a shayte. I dont care the color of my belt, even if i get degraded to white by my new coach. As long as I can stay healthy, roll injury free and sometimes get smashed and be made humble by those effin heavyweight wrestlers.
Regardless of belt and times have moved on, the old "creonte" bs is toxic as jiu jitsu academies have become more service based to offer better experience, any participant should go where they are happy as they are paying to be taught and not to idolise or put other person on a pedestal because of a belt or some preconception portrait by a narcisist..
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What would be your advice for older brown belts that have to change academies?
Have fun, stay safe, and keep trying to get better! BJJ is a long game, even if you’re older.
@bernardofariabjj you’re the best. Miss you bud!
whats your advice on say (late 50s) imo inferred in the question, more than getting the black belt, the concern may be, getting beat by 30 Year Old Blue Belts (or even big strong guys that are White Belts, ie Nicky Rod extreme example but an example none the less), at your existing academy, everyone knows you and what you did in the past, (say late 40s early 50s) and now maybe its harder for you to get the submissions, at the new academy no one knows what you did in the past, and people just know, hey he just got tapped by so and so white belt or blue belt, there can be a feeling of , that the people at the new academy may question your rank ..... how should we deal with this?
Great advice: don't let the pursuit of belts take away from the enjoyment of the sport. I'm 50 and love the jiu-jitsu community, training all over the world. As we navigate this new digital era where travel has become an integral part of our lives, it highlights the importance of better communication. As a practitioner, I've switched academies four times in a year, seeking environments where this communication thrives. I've trained at great academies with great coaches and moved on because I enjoy cross-training with everyone. At a few academies, I mentioned that I didn't want any promotions, as I had agreed with my coach in Europe that he would promote me when he felt I was ready. The owner of my current school, where I'm training now, got in touch with him, and I was promoted to a black belt in December 2023. This journey underscores the need for instructors to maintain clearer communication with their students, fostering a more enriching training experience.
Great advice: don't let the pursuit of belts take away from the enjoyment of the sport. I'm 50 and love the jiu-jitsu community, training all over the world. As we navigate this new digital era where travel has become an integral part of our lives, it highlights the importance of better communication. As a practitioner, I've switched academies four times in a year, seeking environments where this communication thrives. I've trained at great academies with great coaches and moved on because I enjoy cross-training with everyone. At a few academies, I mentioned that I didn't want any promotions, as I had agreed with my coach in Europe that he would promote me when he felt I was ready. The owner of my current school, where I'm training now, got in touch with him, and I was promoted to a black belt in December 2023. This journey underscores the need for instructors to maintain clearer communication with their students, fostering a more enriching training experience.
I'm a brown belt well into my forties. I had to change gyms after being a brown belt for almost a year, due to moving for work. It felt weird having to take the last step under a completely new coach. So I feel very lucky that my old coach agreed that he would promote me to black when time comes. And I also feel very lucky that my current coach completely understood where I was coming from and agreed with me staying under my old coach. So now the new coach is in charge of the stripes and the old coach will eventually give me my black belt.
I had to change academies at Brown Belt, being 49,due to moving house. First, I commuted 90 miles 3 times a week to my old academy, but luckily, I found another academy with a professor who got his black belt from the same lineage as my professor a few Mile's from where I moved to, and was allowed to train there with no issues,I eventually got my black belt from my original instructor and my first academy which I was so grateful for,
I'm still training at my 2nd academy 7 yrs later.
Sometimes, with a heavy heart due to family issues, you have to change academies,
Every teacher has the right to promote via their own criteria, and it would be best if instructors actually communicated what was expected.
I’ve been doing bjj for 2 years and am a 3 stripe blue belt and I’m considering on changing gyms. The reason for possibly changing is that the main instructor I initially signed up to be trained by is only at the gym once a week (saturdays) since he moved out of town. His 76 year old dad mainly teaches but I know that a lot of the people in the gym are disenfranchised because they signed up to be trained by the main instructor and not his dad. The level of training between the two is like night and day. The main guy is technical and explains things out while the dad just shows the moves without the needed details. I’ve even asked my main instructor what can I work on to get better or what mistakes do i keep making and all I get is “you’re doing good”. Our gym unfortunately is more of a rec hall type of training gym instead of what the gym claims to be on their website.
I’ve been a brown for 10 years lol 😂. Idk I have a career, and lots of hobbies . I don’t care about belts anymore, I was looked down upon for cross training with college wrestlers, judo , leg locks 15 years ago , lol I watch the scene now and just laugh about the cycle of techniques. I just drop by any gym when I feel like rolling, I’m respectful and nice to everyone, I never run into problems except black belts dodging me 😂😂😂
This is where judo is tracked usually very meticulous you you do (xyz ) for each rank your given rank cards. I do like the formality of judo and imo their organizations are ran far better than BJJ which is very informal. Both could really learn a lot from each other as there is pluses and minuses to both.
100% - Got my brown belt 10 years ago, professor moved to Texas and ended up stalling out at the next gym, not getting better. Left there, found a good gym but Covid hit and moved and finally after a 3 year break found the best academy I've ever been at. Life is short - take an environment you thrive in over sticking around for the belt - it will come when it's time. Sticking around an environment you're not growing in (or enjoying) not worth it to be a mediocre black belt imo. Also, don't feel guilted into staying at a bad academy/ loyalty but it's a 2 way street - don't owe it to the academy to stick around when the professor isn't doing their part (assuming you're doing yours)..
I totally hear you. This is where I feel I am at and the same goes for my wife. We get discouraged because we’re not told of how good we’re doing, what we need to work on and what we should be knowing during our certain belt phases.
This was me 2 years ago, I had my brown belt for about 8 years, changed academies, opened a club and thought the only way to receive my black belt was to compete until people complained about me sandbagging. I received my blackbelt about 9 months later. It was a shock because I thought it would take a couple of years hard graft to prove myself to my new instructor. I guess my mindset to be the best brown belt around helped.
bernardo out here with the green screen and fanatics background. i like it
I was in this exact situation in late 2020. At that time, I was already a 4 stripe brown belt and I felt like I was not improving in jiu jitsu. I didn’t have any confidence in my moves was ready to take a break from jiu jitsu. After careful consideration, I decided to join a new gym. It was the best thing for me. I was able to get advice about my game that no one told about. I was focused on trying to accumulate techniques thinking that is how I would get my black belt. Professor Tassia and Professor Kristof of Gracie Barra Roseville advised me to utilize my favorite positions and work from there. That’s when I found out that I like guard passing and going for collar chokes. I felt that if I stayed at my old gym I may have not got that advice. I know it’s a hard to make a change like that but sometimes to experience growth you need to get a little uncomfortable.
Awesome - love this! Well thought out - ranking is one of the more challenging concepts in BJJ for both instructors and students - great video!❤
I moved academies as an older purple belt. What helped me integrate and build credibility was to start competing (averagely!) On behalf of my new school.
We love you Bernardo ❤
maybe get a private from the new instructor you are joining so he can see your level and skills and get to know you and your game. Also ask your instructor if he knows anybody in the city you are moving to. May put in a word to the new instructor for you.
At our Academy, if you are close to your next promotion when you need to leave. We will speak to your new Professor and make arrangements to be there for your promotion if at all possible. Also if that instructor is not comfortable with the promotion, we will come there and promote that student ourselves with the permission of the future instructor.
I was expecting that last line to say without their permission haha
bjj is a business, it is up to you to develop your jiujitsu as 99% of the time your "instructor" is just a landlord
Nowadays that is SO true. An instructor can get new/average skilled students to their next level, but at some point, you have to take the reins.
With all of the content available, there’s no excuse not to captain your own boat.
@@UnskilledGrappler no I mean literally many of them don't even train with the students, they have no background in academics or education, and the 'techniques' they demonstrate have never been tested in competition or in the cage. It's becoming like taekwondo. You're better off finding a few good friends with mats and drilling stuff from bjjfanatics, atos online, or jiujitsux. Then find open mats in your city to test the techniques. If you aren't consistently training with people better than you, you aren't improving. Seek them out. You'll waste thousands of dollars at academies trying to learn from people who wouldn't even know your name without an attendance card.
@@UnskilledGrappleross
That would suck to have to switch at brown. Hopefully by then you’ve already found a gym ur happy with. Good advice Bernardo. Do it if u must but for promotion expect to wait 1-2 years until they know u.
This happen to me lol. I had to move as an older brown belt. Im a hobbyist not a competitor but im debating to compete and see if getting first place would help or not
Curious if this applies to blue and purple belts too?
I think the community as a whole lacks instructors well-versed in pedagogical methodologies. People who teach need to know something about how to teach and how to communicate to students. I wouldn't mind a syllabus either, come to think of it.
Judo guy here and had the same issue. Was within 6-12 months of getting my black belt and the owner had to close shop. Drove 40 minutes to the next closest place. Started over at white belt and did one promotion after two years. I wasn’t progressing technically, but it was exercise and randori. One of the black belts was awesome and really should have run the class (experienced in bjj and boxing) so I stuck around to partner with him. When he moved on so did I. Morale of the story is that while you never stop learning, at some point the group of people who know mores than you starts becoming smaller and you may have to search a bit. Been doing bjj for a year now. Instructor is great and it’s close, but it’s not my “first love”.
What advice do u have for a 2ns degree Black belt. In this situation, just simply relocating to another state. I don’t own or plan to own an academy. Just simply training
You're already a black belt so you don't have to worry about getting promoted to black belt. As degrees is more of a "time in" thing, let your instructor know who your previous instructor was if he wants to verify when the previous instructor gave you your last degree.
I am only a 3 stripe brown belt, but we have a guy that is a second degree black belt who moved from out of state, and from a completely different academy with a different lineage, etc., who started training with us. When I am teaching class he shakes everyone's hand, lines up with everyone else, takes instruction, and is a great training partner. I of course like to go listen when he's giving his training partner advise and pick his brain when I can. He's great to have with us. My advise (for what it's worth) is to just go and talk to the ones in charge of the new place and any other black belts that teach there, and just get to know them, let them get to know you, and discuss your intentions. You want to end up somewhere you like the people at the top & where they are welcoming toward you as well. You don't want to end up in a place where there is a clash of egos.
@@bradleylivingston6514I’m optimistic and immediately thought about this scenario. I haven’t been to a gym that wouldn’t be thrilled to have a second degree black belt come train. The room will elevate just having you around. If they don’t feel that way, it tells you what that gym values and the culture they promote.
Gin é uma birita Bernardo. Caraí 20 anos já 😂😂😂
I think is not that. As a older perple belt i think the problem is all the work to reincert himself in the pack order. I have young lower belts in my gim that can destroy-me, but that was not the case wen they arrived. So there is a bit of respect. A new gim as a brownbelt and evry body wonts to kill you, he is older and doesent need that type of fight or training. Older ppl dont realy care about the belt. They care about there shape and the enjoyment of the practice. With there gim friends. The belt system is more important to kids.
3:26 ❤
Talk with the new instructor.Tell him what exactly you looking for.A place to train and stay in shape? A new Home and a new jiu jitsu family? Maybe you have a plan to open your own academy in the area,you need to tell him,and if not also tell him,he will treat you different.Also ask him,what are his criteria for promoting peope in your status.Dont be shy,do it in a polite and respectful manner,you are an old timer brown belt,and if he is a honest person he will not see your question in a negative eye.Now its his turn, maybe he will tell you hes not ptomoting people before a full year of training with him,Or maybe he will tell you that if you compete and takes gold hell give you your black,or he can tell you to do an avaliation test that will cost you some money.Just coordinate expectations.
I’m a brown belt who recently moved to a new academy. I’d be happy with putting on a white belt if my new instructor asked me! Belt only covers 2” of your ass as they say
I just did this two months ago
OSS!!!
I think at purple belt people start to realize that the color of the belt means absolutely nothing.
Just show up on no-gi days. Problem solved ;)
Dont giv a shayte. I dont care the color of my belt, even if i get degraded to white by my new coach. As long as I can stay healthy, roll injury free and sometimes get smashed and be made humble by those effin heavyweight wrestlers.
Regardless of belt and times have moved on, the old "creonte" bs is toxic as jiu jitsu academies have become more service based to offer better experience, any participant should go where they are happy as they are paying to be taught and not to idolise or put other person on a pedestal because of a belt or some preconception portrait by a narcisist..