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I was a bit sceptical when I listened to your review. I became certain that I see here a paid ad, when you started to phantasize about "your eyes teared up". That makes it almost certain that you had just been paid to beef up sales.
A month ago I sent my J2 AKM 4493 to Geshelli to be upgraded to the J2S board with AKM 4499EX and Sparkos SS3602 on the XLR output. The cost was akin to buying another J2, but it proved to be a no brainer. The results are easily worth it. Anyone with a decent system who knows the J2 well will hear the improvement in soundstage depth and dynamics within the first minute. This is a stellar product made by stellar people.
@@PhilOrmsby Unfortunately, that is not an option at this point. To the best of my knowledge, those won't fit either the board or the case, or I would have gone that route. ;-)
Too late Randy. I just spent the budget on an Ares 12th-1 DAC (also under $1,000) so I'm going to have to assume (for my mental well being) that the Ares is much better than the new Geshelli. In fact I'm going to have to deny that I ever watched this video.
but Ares is much better because is R2R and for the same money and chip combination I would rather buy Hiby R6 Pro II which is 4191+4499 but I am headphone not speakers listener
I don't doubt that it sounds as good as you say that it does. But at a total cost of almost $670, to say that "high-end just got destroyed by" is like saying that one Bentley just destroyed another one. With a base price of $260, the cost of the options are more than 1.5x the base price. As others have pointed out, at that price it sounds like it's time to start comparing it to other $700 DACs, not $200 or $300 DACs.
I got this dac with the sparkos 2 weeks ago. I was replacing the Saber version. I was worried that I wouldn't hear much of difference, but ended up having the same reaction Randy did. One additional thing I noticed was even older poorly recorded tracs sounded significantly better. No regrets on the purchase. Also highly recommend
@@thatchinaboi1 what is your problem, dude? They liked it. I like it. Why are you watching a video about a DAC you don’t want and spending time commenting about how we’re wrong? Tell me I’m wrong but leave my viewers alone. Last warning.
@@cheapaudioman What did I actually say that was so offensive? The Truth? Clearly you are agitated because you know you have become a snake oil salesman even though your whole image is that you are "honest". Give me a break. 🤣🤣🤣
The Orchard Audio PecanPi+ uses these same AKM chips: (AKM) flagship AK4499EXEQ combined with AK4191EQ It's got a good clock: Crystek CCHD-575 oscillator The PecanPI+ comes packaged with a streamer and headphone amplifier for $800. I don't know if one can change op-amps - it comes with TI op-amps. I've heard it's really good. (IIWI channel gave it a detailed review, with lots of comparisons)
I thought long and hard about getting the Geshelli loaded, went with a Bifrost 2/64 for the reason that it is modular, when they upgrade it I can buy just the upgrade parts and swap them myself. DACs and the tech changes too often and too fast for me to lock in on something. As far as I know Schiit and McIntosh on their integrated and pre-amps offer this. I’m sure there are others
I'm sure this sounds good, but it is not one of the first DACs to use this AK4499EX chip. The Topping E70 Velvet, SMSL D400EX, and Gustard A26 have all been out for almost a year. The SMSL and Gustard use 2 AK4499EX chips in dual mono configuration.
by the way Sir cheapaudioman...the J2 upgraded to the hilt is no match to the $599 Rose Technics RT500 that just came out with built in headphone amp...your review of the Rose Technics RT500 is greatly anticipated
Sound stage freak here. Looks like I’ll be shipping my J2 AKM back for a few upgrades once they are able to do upgrades. Thanks for the great descriptions.
Hi Randy. How the full loaded J2 compares to the Denafrips Ares II ? They are a bit closer in their price now, so a comparison of them makes sense... What are your thoughts about them ? Thanks a lot...!!!
@@basilisk420 He's already gone on record as saying he likes the previous J2 with AKM 4493 better than the Ares II, which he gave away to one of his Patreons after getting the J2. Safe to say he thinks this improved J2 AK4499EX "walks all over" the Denafrips. I've owned the Ares II and the ESS version of the J2, and personally, I thought the Ares II was much better. It's not the comparison you are looking for, but it's all subjective in the end. I actually sold the Ares II recently in favor of the Ares I (rare find). I think the Ares I is more to my taste as the Ares II would on some occasion get too bright. What I've learned to do is be patient when all these new products come out that are supposedly the best, and then buy them on the used market when someone inevitably sells it. That way I can purchase them at a reduced price in case it doesn't work out for me, and I can re-sell at minimal or no loss. This practice has served me really well for this often expensive hobby.
Hi Randy. What a review. To see and hear you being that impressed brings me joy. I haven't taken the dac plunge yet, maybe by the years end. I have learned so much from your channel about dac's, etc. What a great community. Great job as always. Have a great day.
SMSL recently released the D0300EX, which is another AK4499EX + AK4191 chip DAC. No idea how it sounds, but features wise it is really rich, has a headphone amplifier, i2s input, bluetooth capability, pre-amp function, remote control, MQA, and it has a screen. Basically everything you would ever need in a DAC unit. It costs $469 so even less expensive than the J2 with AK4499EX with the lowest cost options.
You can't put in the Sparkos op amps, it has a built in switch mode power supply that you can't bypass with a linear power supply, and it is made in China instead of the US.
@@sydneybird116 the SMSL is still a better deal and dac with all the connectivity, REMOTE and features. That China boogey man stuff isn't working. good luck with that.
I know in a previous video you noted jnog2 was not that different from a denafrips ares. How would the 4499 compare to the ares? As i currently use the ares 12th
Careful Randy it’s a slippery slope, there is a lot more information contained in both digital and analog that can be drawn out but as I found out that’s when it starts becoming addictive and expensive 😂😂 The standard of kit for the money a the low to mid end is exceptional nowadays, it’s just nice to see people enjoying their music 😁
I had been considering The J2 for quite awhile, then recently stumbled on the Passion for Sound video on this new version. I woke up this morning at 3am to pee then realized it was release day at Geshelli and proceeded to give them my money! I have a modest system; Yamaha A-s301 with Polk R100 fed exclusively with Wiim and Tidal, of which I’m extremely happy with (the internal 301 dac is not bad at all to my ears). But I’m confident that this dac with the sound improvements along with the ability to now integrate my tv will be end game for me.
@@DBike25 That’s encouraging, thanks. Even more so since the 801 is suppose to have an upgraded dac from the lower models. I’ve considered getting the 701 (open box for $600) for the extra power but I don’t listen at very loud levels so I don’t know how beneficial it would be.
@@DBike25 i have the same one, which method do you use to connect the two together? How much different is it with that dac? I'm thinking of getting the J2 Socketed version and an sparkos labs SS2590
I'd like to hear the IIWI channel do a "bromance free" review on a Geshelli AKM product. He is always fair and objective and does excellent comparisons with other comparable DAC's, dollar wise. I remember him saying that for some reason he just can't seem to get a Geshelli product into his country for a review. No problem for him to get other American made products like Orchard Audio or Schiit though. I wonder why that is?
I'm not sure what you're insinuating here. This review is the fourth on this DAC with the AKM4499EX. Check out Passion for Sound, Tone Deaf Monk and Fresh Reviews. They all dropped theirs before this one. Your reviewer is in a country we do not ship to. The companies you are referring to are much larger than ours and may have the connections to do so. And since I'm a female, I'm not really into the whole "Bromance thing" so you're clear of that with this one -Sherri
I agree, he is by far the most concise and unbiased subjective reviewer of Dacs. Very thorough while his dac to dac comparisons are always appropriate like you mentioned. If you've been watching Randy long enough you know his love (bromance 😂) for American made products like Geshelli, Schitt, and Emo..so sometimes you have to take his enthusiasm with a grain of salt so to speak. He does use a lot of these products in his own systems and for review reference though. I saw Sherri replied that they don't ship that direction. Even if they did iiWi was explaining just the other day that shipping and taxes from the US is as high as 50% of the product cost..which is a lot to spend for a review and then sit on a product when he pays out of pocket (not a demo)
Maybe it's just a design choice, but I don't understant the point of having those Opt/Spdif connections on the front. The main inputs and outputs are still on the back, right? So if I'm connecting it to an amp, I would connect to optical to my source and then use the RCA outs to go to the amp... Why would you want ports on the front like that? Is it possible to get the DAC without these superfluous connections on the front?
If I recall the explanation correctly, it was designed with consideration for the arrangement of devices. One might expect to stack or sit this side by side with an amp (or stand alone), but the front inputs accommodate a depth-oriented arrangement as well. Imagine a train of devices with your source at the front, the J2 in the middle behind the source, and your amp at the back behind everything. Minimizes cable runs/bends. Saves space horizontally and vertically. Also recall it has a metal case option (the OG) which might make it less of a show piece and more just another link in the chain. Personally I'd gladly trade out the front inputs for friendlier controls or cost saving however. Dem options get expensive fast.
I agree wholeheartedly that this J2S AKM 4499EX DAC is stunningly great! The music / harmonic detail and clarity and layering - is "3D" and so many recordings are delectable and delicious! It is *so* difficult to hit Stop/Pause when listening with this DAC in my system! Small addition to the front controls - the right button that selects the input - with a long press and release takes it from default/high gain down to medium gain, and then a second long press and release takes it into low gain. A third long press and release goes back to default/high gain mode.
Hi Neil, nice to see ya.................. So you bought the new one eh? I like to think I'm smart because I'm buying the DAC last in my current system build. Because the latest and greatest is always 6 months from now. I also don't feel bad for those that bought preamps and receivers with built-in, now outdated dacs. Sweet validation when I espouse, "Ya gotta' keep-em separated". Digital from analog that is. Upgrade paths are cleaner & targeted. I don't know how you got the new Geshelli so fast but I'm GLAD it's good. Peace. Reggae, Funk & Brass 🔈🔉🔊
Hi Neil and Randy… I also have this DAC and I am just as impressed with it as you both are. It is special. I had placed an order for the 4493 with Sparkos SE at the end of August and a few days later heard Lachlan's review and immediately got a hold of Sherri and changed the order to the 4499 . She said they had a few boards available and literally a week later it arrived. I am bypassing the DAC in my Node 2i. Unbelievable upgrade. Could not be more happy. Neil, I saw your comment on ABA from a day or two ago, and am wondering if you would share what 12v 50W power supply you chose…. I am sure it is worth adding one. TIA, Gordon
@@gordonbeall6667(continued)) And if you only need to power the J2S, then there is a 12V 50W unit, that has 2 outputs (both 12V) that is a bit less than $100 from Ali Express, and there are a number of 12V 25W units that are less money, and are quite good. The stock power supply is 2.1A so the linear power supply is a very good upgrade, whether it is 25W or 50W.
I LOVE that DAC chip... That's what I always say about AKM ... 4499ex is really great. ... it is NOT the first to use it ... Topping E70 Velvet has had the 4499ex for a while... and a few others. Randy, C'mon man. Don't be doing that. Glad this one was a positive and emotional experience. That's a magical thing! =)
I have the Aune X8 FPGA DAC with a single Sparkos op am and Aune 9v linear power supply setup. With all of them purchased at onsale price of $400 total. The sound is spectacular. Compared to the SU-1 I had and the built-in wolfson DAC in my Cambridge CXA 60 Integrated Amp , it's night and days differences. I'm very happy with this Aune DAC + Sparkos Op Am setup. Sparkos op am is a beast of a small op am from my point of view.
Love the idea. Many tech TH-camrs are into audio setups headphones etc. for editing. I know the guys at BTOD are always on watching your videos in the background. They are all about comfortable desk chairs and desk setups.
Ok Randy, you got me to buy another piece of kit. Got the J2 4499 with Opamp Options RCA:Sparkos SS3602 x 1pc Now, I had upgraded my all in one amp to an Emotiva TA1. I really like the sound, the soundstage and clarity of the onboard DAC BUT, playing it through the Airmotiv B2+ speakers, it was a little harsh on the tweeter. Really good, but a little too bright. Running the same source through the Geshelli Labs J2, soundstage is actually better and I didn't that was possible. The upper end is a little warmer. I happen to prefer that; someone else might like something else or the really good onboard DAC of the TA1
Do something for me please, Randy. Run this DAC with a very modest entry level audiophile set up. Say a WiiM, the DAC with RCA out to a Fosi V3 and some decent $400 speakers. Does the DAC still kill? Is it simply wasted because the rest of the kit just isn't discerning enough?
For anyone looking for some good additional info on this new configuration, Passion for Sound has a good post. He's more into headphones, but his comments are helpful nevertheless. He did a great job putting the various permutations and combinations in perspective.
Totally appreciate this. Keep music, music! Not bs gear and how deep your pocket is. Well done 👏 side note - I totally thought you were going to say “the Korn hole” 😅
Randys review was spot on. I was lucky enough to recieve my J3 pro w a sparkos 2590 today. Huge upgrade from modi3 which in itself i thought was amazing. All i can say is that as Randy said, it has been an emotional listening experience. Wow Geshelli labs, hats off to you. Randy looking forward to your review on this ...
I'm glad I bought my J2 with 4493 a few months ago or I'd be spending a mortgage payment on this 4499. I love my J2 and I can't say enough good about how well this company Geshelli is run and how well they took great care of me the customer.
SMSL D400EX has the same chip. More expensive than the J2. But for the rest of the world could be the only choice because of taxes and shipping... would be great if you get this and do a comparison.
Randy, would you ever consider doing ear plug reviews for live shows? Not really hifi but still, protecting hearing is crucial to our hobby. Thought it would be neat thing to review.
I prefer Vater ear plugs. Vater is one of the most popular drumstick brands among pro musicians and their ear plugs are similarly designed for musicians. One can still hear all of the music across all frequencies without damaging volume levels and one can have a conversation wearing them without having to yell “WHATTTT???” Highly recommended.
I work in live music and the 1 of 1 customs are the creme de la creme. I wear the -17 DB versions to almost every show I work. All night comfortable and you can have a conversation in a pounding backstage and still hear most of what's going on. You do pay for it though, 200$ + you have to drive somewhere to get your ears measured.
Hey Randy, love your channel and been watching since the start. How does the J2 499 Sparkos combo hold up against the Denefrips Ares II? They are close in price after the Geshelli mods and I am looking to eventually get my "end game" DAC. Keep doing what you do- we appreciate your entertaining take on Hi-Fi!
Cool, Maybe I can snag a J2 w/4493 from somebody who has to have a 4499 . I love Hifi and Hifi excitement. I even have a subscription to Absolute Sound who are the current guardians of Vinyl Grinding, "veiled milkiness in the high end" BS. I love it. I missed it so bad from when I used to be in that business. Rock on Randy
This is why I love the Geshelli folks. From watching that interview with them, it's clear they just keep putting stuff together until they get the sound they want while avoiding stupid expensive components. Sounds like they got the combo spot on with this one. Love it! Thanks for the great review.
I have the Ares II and at the time it came out, reviewers were going insane for it. It's been a few years now. How do some of these newer DACs stack up to old favorite?
I had the Ares II for over a year and did both 1.6 and 1.8 updates. Ended up flashing it back to the original 1.0 firmware as it sounded the most natural in tonality to me even if I had to give up some soundstage width and resolution gained from the newer firmwares. Actually it was a lesson in not thinking every new shiny toy is an improvement because I ended up selling the Ares II when I found a used Ares I, which I think sounds even better than Ares II with original firmware. Tone is the most important aspect to me and the original Ares has the best tone. Now I don't think about getting a new DAC at all.
@@Mark198d Yeah v1.6 had big soundstage, but settled for v1.8 as it was fatiguing to listen to for any length. I also have a SU-1 and the difference is very small compared to my ares II. I'm kinda over DAC upgrades and think most reviewers exaggerate their findings for views.
Randy, Thanks for the great content. I am close to pulling the trigger on GL Dac, and today when I visited the store to again build my wish list DAC, I now see Burson opamps as an option. Have you had a chance to A/B these with the sparkos? I know how much you like the sparkos - curious on your take. Thanks again for all the great content.
I appreciate that it's likely the best implementation of the 4499 thus far. But there is a tough competition in this price range, with great functionality and build quality. With the new J2 you have to accept how basic it is. If I had that kinda money to spend on a DAC, I would probably try to pass beyond the 1k mark and look for something less DIY.
At the moment, the Topping D70 Pro Octo is probably the best higher-end DAC in this price range. It doesn't use the 4499, but eight (8) Cirrus Logic chips. I can confirm that the D70 Pro Sabre edition is spectacular... with superior linearity, imaging, and clarity than any other DAC I've ever heard.
Geshelli is difficult to buy here in the UK and by the time you've added VAT, delivery and import duties, quite a bit more expensive. Not knocking Geshelli, that's just how it is. For anyone in the UK/Europe, there's an alternative which has also been described as "the best DAC under 1000" (albeit Euros, not dollars). This is the Aune X8 XVIII Magic FPGA DAC, which also allows you to add a Sparkos op-amp, plus Aune's XP2 linear power supply -- all for a total of around the same cost as the Geshelli when bought in the USA. To add the rather large Sparkos, you have to remove the small op-amp cover on the bottom and leave it off, covering it with something like a section of a plastic pillbox (as I have done) secured unobtrusively to the underside with Duck tape. Raising the DAC on small speaker spikes or similar, it looks fine as you don't notice anything underneath. The modded X8 is a very fine DAC and I only wish I could compare it to the Geshelli. It'd be really interesting to do that, but unfortunately I can't justify the cost to experiment.
@@londreslush I trust Randy enough to think you wouldn't be disappointed soundwise, but because of the extra costs, you might like to think about the Aune X8 + Sparkos (bought on Ebay from the USA for c.£100) + XP2 power supply -- cost me £450 all in, which I think would work out appreciably cheaper than the Geshelli. I wish I could say the modded Aune equals or betters the Geshelli, but as I haven't heard the latter, I can't be absolutely sure. It's certainly a very fine DAC combo, though. I use it with pretty good equipment including a fine preamp and Decware ZF15M open baffle clones I built myself -- both would cost you around £6.5K combined if you bought the commercially built speakers.
@@johncallaghan3097 .. Open Baffle , that's something i'm interested in exploring ! , yes i enjoy Randy's output , i've no reason to doubt his enthusiasm for the J2 , but feel somewhat apprehensive about buying one from the UK , the Aune X8 looks interesting and that's something i will explore further , any recommendations for a retail outlet for the X8 ? .. thanks
Enjoy watching your reviews... would like to buy a Geshelli dac but it seems like they do not ship for Sweden or Norway and trying to email them using the form on their hompage only return with error?... brgds
Thanks, Randy for another great review. So can I safely say you prefer this J2 AKM 4499 to the Orchard Audio PecanPi DAC you reviewed 2 years back ? It'd be awesome if you can also review the PecanPi Plus which has the same AKM 4499 chip & compare it to the Geshelli J2S. Unfortunately you cannot swap the op amp in the PecanPi Plus.
The v1.6 update to my Ares II had insane soundstage. Tons of detail and did amazing things to live ablums, like you were right there. Never heard anything like it before or since. I had to get ride of it. After 5 minutes, listening fatigue would set in and had to turn it off. Soundstage and detail are nice, but for longer and more relaxed listening sessions, keeping it simple is best.
wow, I've had 5 or 6 hour listening session with my Ares II (latest o/s update) with no fatigue at all. Maybe it's a pairing issue and the DAC wasn't the sole cause?
Nice, but they not deliver to all EU countries. It's not an option for me. Are these external dacs higher quality than the ones used in 1k $ integrated amps?
Good stuff Randy! I always love hearing anything about Geshelli products, definitely enjoying my j2 and looking forward to getting the opamp version next time, thanks!
Awesome. I bought two of the older J2 AKM dacs and fully appreciate what they do. I can't justify replacing them for the 15% bump, but I love to hear of the improvement that is being made in hifi. Feels like we are in a new phase of growth. What's old is new again.
Couldn't agree more. This balanced thing in the sub-1k bracket is getting out of hand. Sure it's objectively better, but you need a balanced amp, and balanced transducers to really take advantage of it, and at this price point I'd rather the R&D and parts budget be spent basically anywhere else. My favourite headphones & headphone amp are not balanced, so until they are superseded I'm not that worried about the DAC-amp connection being balanced.
@cheapaudioman - Randy, great review. I am tempted to upgrade from my J2 AK4493. I am curious which Buchardt speakers those are? The P300 or the S400 MKII ?
Hi Randy. Do you think that this dac would be over kill for a more budget system like mine. I have a Cambridge audio axr 85 and Polk signature elite book shelf speakers?
Man, I've been hyped about the J2 and holding off on ordering one until the 4499 became available... but the extra cost for just the 4499 kinda puts it in a price range where I'm not so comfortable buying one blindly. Wasn't expecting it to be an additional fee nor only available in the socketed version. Is it really worth the extra over the 4493 for someone like me with a mid-ish tier system and no prior experience with external DACs?
Yes, I believe so. You can always just get the Sparkos op-amps on the RCA outputs which would save you quit a bit. That's what I did and I was impressed. I kept my 4493 J2 for a few days to do back to back comparisons. The depth of the soundstage was immediately apparent as well as the added height. However, it's important to ensure you have cleaned your system of any added noise from your sources because the gain is higher and will result in the noise floor being higher as well. I need to buy power supply filters and a LPS for my sources to mitigate the same in my system. Note, I'm using a recapped Carver amp and not a modern unit so my noise is undoubtedly higher than average. Good luck.
Yo Randy my main man what kind of power supply were you using in this setup? Was it a switch mode or linear power supply? At this price point, with such a heavy emphasis on soundstage and imaging, it seems like a linear power supply could be a reasonable recommendation to get the most of out of this product. Kind of surprised you havent ordered a nice ultra low noise linear power supply off ebay yet. Most have dual outputs as well. Keep grinding amigo!
I don't have it anymore because I gave it away when I got the 4493 version of the J2. I liked it better than the denafrips and like the 4499 better than the 4493 so, in my opinion, it's better than the denafrips
I made an earlier comment as a reply to a Neil Blanchard comment which is probably buried in any number of layers, so am making one here a bit more easily seen. To be brief… I have had this DAC for almost a month now (see other comment for explanation if you care to) and all I can say is that not only is Randy right in all he says, but so are all of the comments from those of us who actually have this DAC in our systems. I have a very resolving system from the turn of the century which I won't bore you with, then added a Node 2i maybe five years ago for obvious reasons. Never all that happy with it so decided to bypass its DAC. Extremely good timing I have to say, making that decision at the end of August, because I wound up with this baby, and it's absolutely night and day, especially if you think of night as moonless in the middle of the Sahara, and you wake up looking straight east. Randy is not making this up. It’s excellent. What amazes me about all of the negative comments is that they are coming from people who have not heard it. Those who have disagree for a very good reason. The soundstage is fantastic. Enough said.
Thanks Randy, for the Korn MTV Unplugged recommendation! I gave them a chance, as you suggested, and enjoyed the whole album start to finish through my J2 AKM 4493 and CSS Criton 1TDX…enjoyed it immensely.
Videos like this give me serious FOMO at first but then I go into my listening room and realize that my non-AKM J2 sounds amazing going through my Marantz and JBL!!! Good stuff as always. I will get one of the updated DACs some day and swap the old one to my basement system. Cheers.
As I just purchased one of these myself and have been listening to it for hours, revisiting my music collection and streaming my WiiM Pro through this Sparkos Op amped wonder, I wholeheartedly AGREE with Randy!!! It has brought me closer to my music than anything I’ve heard at TWICE the price. Thank you to Geno and Sherri for making this DAC happen. Keep up the good work Randy! You nailed this review.
Hi Randy - per your live feed earlier... Maybe keep the "Cheap" in your potential series? "Cheaptalk" may you have to say "...with..." to differentiate? "Cheapshot" or "Cheapshots" - "Cheapchatman" - ENOUGH!
Question on configuration...I will only use USB input, and only want to have output to be digital coax or fiber optic. I want the ak4499 processing. I believe I do not need the upscale op amps. Am I understanding this right?
That's not a relevant question. The answer is both. An op amp in a dac has a much different role than the opamp in an amplifier. You are thinking about them as if they are a standalone thing that you wouldn't have multiple of, but they are actually just a part of a single amplification stage within a given standalone unit's circuitry.
Some do have concerns about the objective scientific measurements of their products for the price point, but everyone commends their customer service and responsiveness to inquiries, which is excellent!
@@Feliciano12vAbsolutely, a balanced approach is essential. For instance, MDs shouldn't depend solely on blood tests or other imaging and measurements. It's crucial that they also engage with patients to understand their experiences and how they feel.
@@Feliciano12vAnother consideration is, if a company charges a higher price for a product compared to a competitor whose product also delivers a satisfying experience at a fraction of the cost, the higher-priced product should also exhibit superior measurable qualities!
by the time you do all the upgrades it will cost you 2 to 3 times the cost of the device...just stick with the SMSL SU-1 for $79.99...no fuss, no mush/muss/cuss
I bought the Geshelli stack on your recommendation. I have several dacs including IFI, Burson, SPL and some Schiit. For the money you can't go wrong with Geshelli or Schiit. US companies are a + in my opinion.
I would like to upgrade my DAC I was considering the regular geshelli j2. This just to listening to heaphones. Is it worth to do a full upgrade j2 socketed? Current using atom labs DAC and listening to hd650
Thanks for this great review. I guess we are going to face an out-of-stock shipping delay from Geshelli again after this review. I will have to wait for the New Year before ordering. 😂. Congrats Geno and Sherri for getting another great product out for us. Back to the salt mines for me to earn some more salt to get this. Much appreciated, Randy, for getting my sonic pleasure back. You have enriched my life. Take care, brother.
@@stevezeidman7224 Greetings Steve, I am very well, Sir. Thanks for asking. I hope and trust you are well too. Me being away from the Zoom will spare your ears and eyes for more pleasurable past-times. 🤣
Bifrost 2 is a way better purchase. Modular design for upgrades without having to purchase another dac. Not knocking the Geshelli dac but at the price point the Schiit is it. 🍻
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Ugh man I want it so much but can't afford it no income currently.
I was a bit sceptical when I listened to your review. I became certain that I see here a paid ad, when you started to phantasize about "your eyes teared up". That makes it almost certain that you had just been paid to beef up sales.
A month ago I sent my J2 AKM 4493 to Geshelli to be upgraded to the J2S board with AKM 4499EX and Sparkos SS3602 on the XLR output. The cost was akin to buying another J2, but it proved to be a no brainer. The results are easily worth it. Anyone with a decent system who knows the J2 well will hear the improvement in soundstage depth and dynamics within the first minute. This is a stellar product made by stellar people.
Now upgrade to the Sparkos SS2590 Op Amps. OMG!
@@PhilOrmsby Unfortunately, that is not an option at this point. To the best of my knowledge, those won't fit either the board or the case, or I would have gone that route. ;-)
@@TheodoreBreaux I can assure you that they absolutely do fit. You need a riser but I have them in both of my J2s. Seriously, it's a HUGE step up.
I just put 2509s in my J2 4499 in the XLRs and received the A3 Pro this weekend. Absolutely amazing!
So does the fully speced out Geshelli now top the Denafrips Ares II?
For my listening preferences, yes. And thank you so much for supporting the channel
Too late Randy. I just spent the budget on an Ares 12th-1 DAC (also under $1,000) so I'm going to have to assume (for my mental well being) that the Ares is much better than the new Geshelli. In fact I'm going to have to deny that I ever watched this video.
but Ares is much better because is R2R and for the same money and chip combination I would rather buy Hiby R6 Pro II which is 4191+4499 but I am headphone not speakers listener
I don't doubt that it sounds as good as you say that it does. But at a total cost of almost $670, to say that "high-end just got destroyed by" is like saying that one Bentley just destroyed another one. With a base price of $260, the cost of the options are more than 1.5x the base price. As others have pointed out, at that price it sounds like it's time to start comparing it to other $700 DACs, not $200 or $300 DACs.
This walks all over dacs costing multiples more. But don’t take my word for it.
@@cheapaudioman”walks all over dacs costing multiple more”. And how many dacs that costs multiple more have you side by side compared?
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I got this dac with the sparkos 2 weeks ago. I was replacing the Saber version. I was worried that I wouldn't hear much of difference, but ended up having the same reaction Randy did. One additional thing I noticed was even older poorly recorded tracs sounded significantly better. No regrets on the purchase. Also highly recommend
Confirmation Bias is a helluva delusion.
Enjoy 🎶🙂
what cosmetic options did you choose?
@@thatchinaboi1 what is your problem, dude? They liked it. I like it. Why are you watching a video about a DAC you don’t want and spending time commenting about how we’re wrong? Tell me I’m wrong but leave my viewers alone. Last warning.
@@cheapaudioman What did I actually say that was so offensive? The Truth? Clearly you are agitated because you know you have become a snake oil salesman even though your whole image is that you are "honest". Give me a break. 🤣🤣🤣
The Orchard Audio PecanPi+ uses these same AKM chips:
(AKM) flagship AK4499EXEQ combined with AK4191EQ
It's got a good clock: Crystek CCHD-575 oscillator
The PecanPI+ comes packaged with a streamer and headphone amplifier for $800.
I don't know if one can change op-amps - it comes with TI op-amps.
I've heard it's really good. (IIWI channel gave it a detailed review, with lots of comparisons)
I thought long and hard about getting the Geshelli loaded, went with a Bifrost 2/64 for the reason that it is modular, when they upgrade it I can buy just the upgrade parts and swap them myself. DACs and the tech changes too often and too fast for me to lock in on something. As far as I know Schiit and McIntosh on their integrated and pre-amps offer this. I’m sure there are others
You made the right decision bro. It's a no brainer. Exactly what I just posted lol
I'm sure this sounds good, but it is not one of the first DACs to use this AK4499EX chip. The Topping E70 Velvet, SMSL D400EX, and Gustard A26 have all been out for almost a year. The SMSL and Gustard use 2 AK4499EX chips in dual mono configuration.
by the way Sir cheapaudioman...the J2 upgraded to the hilt is no match to the $599 Rose Technics RT500 that just came out with built in headphone amp...your review of the Rose Technics RT500 is greatly anticipated
Sound stage freak here. Looks like I’ll be shipping my J2 AKM back for a few upgrades once they are able to do upgrades. Thanks for the great descriptions.
Hi Randy. How the full loaded J2 compares to the Denafrips Ares II ? They are a bit closer in their price now, so a comparison of them makes sense... What are your thoughts about them ? Thanks a lot...!!!
Agreed - would love to hear comparisons. Is this an Ares killer??
+1
Randy gave away his Aries to keep the J2…and this was before the 4499.
@@basilisk420 He's already gone on record as saying he likes the previous J2 with AKM 4493 better than the Ares II, which he gave away to one of his Patreons after getting the J2. Safe to say he thinks this improved J2 AK4499EX "walks all over" the Denafrips. I've owned the Ares II and the ESS version of the J2, and personally, I thought the Ares II was much better. It's not the comparison you are looking for, but it's all subjective in the end. I actually sold the Ares II recently in favor of the Ares I (rare find). I think the Ares I is more to my taste as the Ares II would on some occasion get too bright.
What I've learned to do is be patient when all these new products come out that are supposedly the best, and then buy them on the used market when someone inevitably sells it. That way I can purchase them at a reduced price in case it doesn't work out for me, and I can re-sell at minimal or no loss. This practice has served me really well for this often expensive hobby.
Hi Randy. What a review. To see and hear you being that impressed brings me joy. I haven't taken the dac plunge yet, maybe by the years end. I have learned so much from your channel about dac's, etc. What a great community. Great job as always. Have a great day.
Preach! The more I watch this guy, the more I believe he's a sponsored shill
SMSL recently released the D0300EX, which is another AK4499EX + AK4191 chip DAC. No idea how it sounds, but features wise it is really rich, has a headphone amplifier, i2s input, bluetooth capability, pre-amp function, remote control, MQA, and it has a screen. Basically everything you would ever need in a DAC unit. It costs $469 so even less expensive than the J2 with AK4499EX with the lowest cost options.
That sounds like a better deal than the maxxed out J2
You can't put in the Sparkos op amps, it has a built in switch mode power supply that you can't bypass with a linear power supply, and it is made in China instead of the US.
@@sydneybird116 the SMSL is still a better deal and dac with all the connectivity, REMOTE and features. That China boogey man stuff isn't working. good luck with that.
Do they have a bedazzled option? That would be pretty cool.
I know in a previous video you noted jnog2 was not that different from a denafrips ares. How would the 4499 compare to the ares? As i currently use the ares 12th
Careful Randy it’s a slippery slope, there is a lot more information contained in both digital and analog that can be drawn out but as I found out that’s when it starts becoming addictive and expensive 😂😂
The standard of kit for the money a the low to mid end is exceptional nowadays, it’s just nice to see people enjoying their music 😁
I had been considering The J2 for quite awhile, then recently stumbled on the Passion for Sound video on this new version. I woke up this morning at 3am to pee then realized it was release day at Geshelli and proceeded to give them my money! I have a modest system; Yamaha A-s301 with Polk R100 fed exclusively with Wiim and Tidal, of which I’m extremely happy with (the internal 301 dac is not bad at all to my ears). But I’m confident that this dac with the sound improvements along with the ability to now integrate my tv will be end game for me.
I have the s-801 and heard an immediate difference when I got the original J2 AKM. I was actually shocked.
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That’s encouraging, thanks. Even more so since the 801 is suppose to have an upgraded dac from the lower models. I’ve considered getting the 701 (open box for $600) for the extra power but I don’t listen at very loud levels so I don’t know how beneficial it would be.
Tell us what you think after you had a chance to listen to it. Thanks
@@DBike25 i have the same one, which method do you use to connect the two together? How much different is it with that dac? I'm thinking of getting the J2 Socketed version and an sparkos labs SS2590
Would be interesting to get mini roundup of 'budget' high-end DACs. This compared with the Bifrost 2 64, and Denafrips maybe.
I'd like to hear the IIWI channel do a "bromance free" review on a Geshelli AKM product. He is always fair and objective and does excellent comparisons with other comparable DAC's, dollar wise. I remember him saying that for some reason he just can't seem to get a Geshelli product into his country for a review. No problem for him to get other American made products like Orchard Audio or Schiit though. I wonder why that is?
I'm not sure what you're insinuating here. This review is the fourth on this DAC with the AKM4499EX. Check out Passion for Sound, Tone Deaf Monk and Fresh Reviews. They all dropped theirs before this one. Your reviewer is in a country we do not ship to. The companies you are referring to are much larger than ours and may have the connections to do so. And since I'm a female, I'm not really into the whole "Bromance thing" so you're clear of that with this one -Sherri
I agree, he is by far the most concise and unbiased subjective reviewer of Dacs. Very thorough while his dac to dac comparisons are always appropriate like you mentioned. If you've been watching Randy long enough you know his love (bromance 😂) for American made products like Geshelli, Schitt, and Emo..so sometimes you have to take his enthusiasm with a grain of salt so to speak. He does use a lot of these products in his own systems and for review reference though. I saw Sherri replied that they don't ship that direction. Even if they did iiWi was explaining just the other day that shipping and taxes from the US is as high as 50% of the product cost..which is a lot to spend for a review and then sit on a product when he pays out of pocket (not a demo)
Maybe it's just a design choice, but I don't understant the point of having those Opt/Spdif connections on the front. The main inputs and outputs are still on the back, right? So if I'm connecting it to an amp, I would connect to optical to my source and then use the RCA outs to go to the amp... Why would you want ports on the front like that? Is it possible to get the DAC without these superfluous connections on the front?
If I recall the explanation correctly, it was designed with consideration for the arrangement of devices. One might expect to stack or sit this side by side with an amp (or stand alone), but the front inputs accommodate a depth-oriented arrangement as well. Imagine a train of devices with your source at the front, the J2 in the middle behind the source, and your amp at the back behind everything. Minimizes cable runs/bends. Saves space horizontally and vertically. Also recall it has a metal case option (the OG) which might make it less of a show piece and more just another link in the chain. Personally I'd gladly trade out the front inputs for friendlier controls or cost saving however. Dem options get expensive fast.
I agree wholeheartedly that this J2S AKM 4499EX DAC is stunningly great! The music / harmonic detail and clarity and layering - is "3D" and so many recordings are delectable and delicious! It is *so* difficult to hit Stop/Pause when listening with this DAC in my system!
Small addition to the front controls - the right button that selects the input - with a long press and release takes it from default/high gain down to medium gain, and then a second long press and release takes it into low gain. A third long press and release goes back to default/high gain mode.
Hi Neil, nice to see ya..................
So you bought the new one eh? I like to think I'm smart because I'm buying the DAC last in my current system build. Because the latest and greatest is always 6 months from now.
I also don't feel bad for those that bought preamps and receivers with built-in, now outdated dacs. Sweet validation when I espouse, "Ya gotta' keep-em separated". Digital from analog that is. Upgrade paths are cleaner & targeted.
I don't know how you got the new Geshelli so fast but I'm GLAD it's good. Peace.
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Thanks, Neil!
Hi Neil and Randy… I also have this DAC and I am just as impressed with it as you both are. It is special. I had placed an order for the 4493 with Sparkos SE at the end of August and a few days later heard Lachlan's review and immediately got a hold of Sherri and changed the order to the 4499 . She said they had a few boards available and literally a week later it arrived. I am bypassing the DAC in my Node 2i. Unbelievable upgrade. Could not be more happy. Neil, I saw your comment on ABA from a day or two ago, and am wondering if you would share what 12v 50W power supply you chose…. I am sure it is worth adding one. TIA, Gordon
@@gordonbeall6667(continued)) And if you only need to power the J2S, then there is a 12V 50W unit, that has 2 outputs (both 12V) that is a bit less than $100 from Ali Express, and there are a number of 12V 25W units that are less money, and are quite good. The stock power supply is 2.1A so the linear power supply is a very good upgrade, whether it is 25W or 50W.
Randy, You failed to mention if you used the rca or the balanced outputs during testing. Is there a difference in sound?
I LOVE that DAC chip... That's what I always say about AKM ... 4499ex is really great.
... it is NOT the first to use it ... Topping E70 Velvet has had the 4499ex for a while... and a few others.
Randy, C'mon man. Don't be doing that.
Glad this one was a positive and emotional experience. That's a magical thing! =)
I have the Aune X8 FPGA DAC with a single Sparkos op am and Aune 9v linear power supply setup. With all of them purchased at onsale price of $400 total. The sound is spectacular.
Compared to the SU-1 I had and the built-in wolfson DAC in my Cambridge CXA 60 Integrated Amp , it's night and days differences. I'm very happy with this Aune DAC + Sparkos Op Am setup.
Sparkos op am is a beast of a small op am from my point of view.
Love the idea. Many tech TH-camrs are into audio setups headphones etc. for editing. I know the guys at BTOD are always on watching your videos in the background. They are all about comfortable desk chairs and desk setups.
Would be interesting to see a comparison with the Gustard R26…
Ok Randy, you got me to buy another piece of kit.
Got the J2 4499 with Opamp Options RCA:Sparkos SS3602 x 1pc
Now, I had upgraded my all in one amp to an Emotiva TA1.
I really like the sound, the soundstage and clarity of the onboard DAC
BUT, playing it through the Airmotiv B2+ speakers, it was a little harsh on the tweeter. Really good, but a little too bright.
Running the same source through the Geshelli Labs J2, soundstage is actually better and I didn't that was possible. The upper end is a little warmer. I happen to prefer that; someone else might like something else or the really good onboard DAC of the TA1
Do something for me please, Randy. Run this DAC with a very modest entry level audiophile set up. Say a WiiM, the DAC with RCA out to a Fosi V3 and some decent $400 speakers. Does the DAC still kill? Is it simply wasted because the rest of the kit just isn't discerning enough?
For anyone looking for some good additional info on this new configuration, Passion for Sound has a good post. He's more into headphones, but his comments are helpful nevertheless. He did a great job putting the various permutations and combinations in perspective.
Totally appreciate this. Keep music, music! Not bs gear and how deep your pocket is. Well done 👏 side note - I totally thought you were going to say “the Korn hole” 😅
Randys review was spot on. I was lucky enough to recieve my J3 pro w a sparkos 2590 today. Huge upgrade from modi3 which in itself i thought was amazing. All i can say is that as Randy said, it has been an emotional listening experience. Wow Geshelli labs, hats off to you. Randy looking forward to your review on this ...
I'm glad I bought my J2 with 4493 a few months ago or I'd be spending a mortgage payment on this 4499. I love my J2 and I can't say enough good about how well this company Geshelli is run and how well they took great care of me the customer.
Which wood was used on that Dac...Im going to order one and want the same look it is beautiful.
I feel like it needs a remote control and bass and treble adjustments and put all the connections on the back.
Not a big fan of Korn, but you can't deny that the Mtv Unplugged album is audiophile grade. Great vocal by Amy Lee on the track Freak on a leash.
Is XLR output a noticeable difference over RCA?
SMSL D400EX has the same chip. More expensive than the J2. But for the rest of the world could be the only choice because of taxes and shipping... would be great if you get this and do a comparison.
Randy, would you ever consider doing ear plug reviews for live shows? Not really hifi but still, protecting hearing is crucial to our hobby. Thought it would be neat thing to review.
Not to step on Randy's toes but the etymotic music pro is great
Minnuendo is also not bad for a more natural sound.
I prefer Vater ear plugs. Vater is one of the most popular drumstick brands among pro musicians and their ear plugs are similarly designed for musicians. One can still hear all of the music across all frequencies without damaging volume levels and one can have a conversation wearing them without having to yell “WHATTTT???” Highly recommended.
I work in live music and the 1 of 1 customs are the creme de la creme. I wear the -17 DB versions to almost every show I work. All night comfortable and you can have a conversation in a pounding backstage and still hear most of what's going on. You do pay for it though, 200$ + you have to drive somewhere to get your ears measured.
Thanks for the recs. I currently use cheap Downbeats which work for keeping me from going deaf but they muffle more than I like.
Hey Randy, love your channel and been watching since the start. How does the J2 499 Sparkos combo hold up against the Denefrips Ares II? They are close in price after the Geshelli mods and I am looking to eventually get my "end game" DAC. Keep doing what you do- we appreciate your entertaining take on Hi-Fi!
Great question. That's what I want to know too
Another vote
It's good to see a company being sensible for a change. Unlike some cable companies that equate $$$$ to quality for a foot of lamp cord.
Cool, Maybe I can snag a J2 w/4493 from somebody who has to have a 4499 . I love Hifi and Hifi excitement. I even have a subscription to Absolute Sound who are the current guardians of Vinyl Grinding, "veiled milkiness in the high end" BS. I love it. I missed it so bad from when I used to be in that business. Rock on Randy
This is why I love the Geshelli folks. From watching that interview with them, it's clear they just keep putting stuff together until they get the sound they want while avoiding stupid expensive components. Sounds like they got the combo spot on with this one. Love it! Thanks for the great review.
I have the Ares II and at the time it came out, reviewers were going insane for it. It's been a few years now. How do some of these newer DACs stack up to old favorite?
Have you upgraded the firmware in your Ares II? There are 2 new ones. You'll be hard pressed to get something better without spending several K.
@@lazzzzze1 not yet, keep meaning to open it up and get the number so I can have them send me the update
I had the Ares II for over a year and did both 1.6 and 1.8 updates. Ended up flashing it back to the original 1.0 firmware as it sounded the most natural in tonality to me even if I had to give up some soundstage width and resolution gained from the newer firmwares. Actually it was a lesson in not thinking every new shiny toy is an improvement because I ended up selling the Ares II when I found a used Ares I, which I think sounds even better than Ares II with original firmware. Tone is the most important aspect to me and the original Ares has the best tone. Now I don't think about getting a new DAC at all.
@@Mark198d Yeah v1.6 had big soundstage, but settled for v1.8 as it was fatiguing to listen to for any length. I also have a SU-1 and the difference is very small compared to my ares II. I'm kinda over DAC upgrades and think most reviewers exaggerate their findings for views.
Just for my information: what do you actually mean by "High End Audio"? Can you give an example of a streamer - dac - amp - speakers?
Get the Geshelli soon ,can't wait !! Thanks Ran-Man 😊
Randy, Thanks for the great content. I am close to pulling the trigger on GL Dac, and today when I visited the store to again build my wish list DAC, I now see Burson opamps as an option. Have you had a chance to A/B these with the sparkos? I know how much you like the sparkos - curious on your take. Thanks again for all the great content.
I appreciate that it's likely the best implementation of the 4499 thus far. But there is a tough competition in this price range, with great functionality and build quality. With the new J2 you have to accept how basic it is. If I had that kinda money to spend on a DAC, I would probably try to pass beyond the 1k mark and look for something less DIY.
lots of great options out there
At the moment, the Topping D70 Pro Octo is probably the best higher-end DAC in this price range. It doesn't use the 4499, but eight (8) Cirrus Logic chips. I can confirm that the D70 Pro Sabre edition is spectacular... with superior linearity, imaging, and clarity than any other DAC I've ever heard.
Hi Randy. Amazing video as always. How does is compare with de Denafrips Enyo? I'm searching for warmer sound. Thanks!
Wondering the same …
Geshelli is difficult to buy here in the UK and by the time you've added VAT, delivery and import duties, quite a bit more expensive. Not knocking Geshelli, that's just how it is. For anyone in the UK/Europe, there's an alternative which has also been described as "the best DAC under 1000" (albeit Euros, not dollars).
This is the Aune X8 XVIII Magic FPGA DAC, which also allows you to add a Sparkos op-amp, plus Aune's XP2 linear power supply -- all for a total of around the same cost as the Geshelli when bought in the USA. To add the rather large Sparkos, you have to remove the small op-amp cover on the bottom and leave it off, covering it with something like a section of a plastic pillbox (as I have done) secured unobtrusively to the underside with Duck tape. Raising the DAC on small speaker spikes or similar, it looks fine as you don't notice anything underneath.
The modded X8 is a very fine DAC and I only wish I could compare it to the Geshelli. It'd be really interesting to do that, but unfortunately I can't justify the cost to experiment.
also in the UK , and wondering the same , would love to buy a J2 , but unsure if it'd be worth it ? , after import duty / VAT , etc
@@londreslush I trust Randy enough to think you wouldn't be disappointed soundwise, but because of the extra costs, you might like to think about the Aune X8 + Sparkos (bought on Ebay from the USA for c.£100) + XP2 power supply -- cost me £450 all in, which I think would work out appreciably cheaper than the Geshelli.
I wish I could say the modded Aune equals or betters the Geshelli, but as I haven't heard the latter, I can't be absolutely sure. It's certainly a very fine DAC combo, though. I use it with pretty good equipment including a fine preamp and Decware ZF15M open baffle clones I built myself -- both would cost you around £6.5K combined if you bought the commercially built speakers.
@@johncallaghan3097 .. Open Baffle , that's something i'm interested in exploring ! , yes i enjoy Randy's output , i've no reason to doubt his enthusiasm for the J2 , but feel somewhat apprehensive about buying one from the UK , the Aune X8 looks interesting and that's something i will explore further , any recommendations for a retail outlet for the X8 ? .. thanks
I just saw the Topping E70Velvet armed with AKM 4499 too, so an audio shootout would be interesting❤
When you were describing the Soundcore IEMs, it reminded me of Anchorman’s “This burrito is delicious, but it is _filling!”_
_throws it at Jack Black_
Enjoy watching your reviews... would like to buy a Geshelli dac but it seems like they do not ship for Sweden or Norway and trying to email them using the form on their hompage only return with error?... brgds
Thanks, Randy for another great review. So can I safely say you prefer this J2 AKM 4499 to the Orchard Audio PecanPi DAC you reviewed 2 years back ? It'd be awesome if you can also review the PecanPi Plus which has the same AKM 4499 chip & compare it to the Geshelli J2S. Unfortunately you cannot swap the op amp in the PecanPi Plus.
What about Topping E70 Velvet at roughly half the price?
The v1.6 update to my Ares II had insane soundstage. Tons of detail and did amazing things to live ablums, like you were right there. Never heard anything like it before or since.
I had to get ride of it. After 5 minutes, listening fatigue would set in and had to turn it off. Soundstage and detail are nice, but for longer and more relaxed listening sessions, keeping it simple is best.
wow, I've had 5 or 6 hour listening session with my Ares II (latest o/s update) with no fatigue at all. Maybe it's a pairing issue and the DAC wasn't the sole cause?
@justinbennitt835 the latest v1.8 update is great. I'm taking about the v1.6 version.
@@lazzzzze1 I have Ares 12th-1 with 1.8 and doubt J2 can be close to this experience
Thanks Randy. 👍🏼😎🎶
Nice, but they not deliver to all EU countries. It's not an option for me.
Are these external dacs higher quality than the ones used in 1k $ integrated amps?
Good stuff Randy! I always love hearing anything about Geshelli products, definitely enjoying my j2 and looking forward to getting the opamp version next time, thanks!
Awesome. I bought two of the older J2 AKM dacs and fully appreciate what they do. I can't justify replacing them for the 15% bump, but I love to hear of the improvement that is being made in hifi. Feels like we are in a new phase of growth. What's old is new again.
I would like to see a single ended option really no need for xlr or usb for that matter. Might fit into my budget better.
Couldn't agree more. This balanced thing in the sub-1k bracket is getting out of hand. Sure it's objectively better, but you need a balanced amp, and balanced transducers to really take advantage of it, and at this price point I'd rather the R&D and parts budget be spent basically anywhere else. My favourite headphones & headphone amp are not balanced, so until they are superseded I'm not that worried about the DAC-amp connection being balanced.
@cheapaudioman - Randy, great review. I am tempted to upgrade from my J2 AK4493. I am curious which Buchardt speakers those are? The P300 or the S400 MKII ?
Hi Randy. Do you think that this dac would be over kill for a more budget system like mine. I have a Cambridge audio axr 85 and Polk signature elite book shelf speakers?
Hi Randy, do you know when you can review the Dayzee?
Man, I've been hyped about the J2 and holding off on ordering one until the 4499 became available... but the extra cost for just the 4499 kinda puts it in a price range where I'm not so comfortable buying one blindly. Wasn't expecting it to be an additional fee nor only available in the socketed version.
Is it really worth the extra over the 4493 for someone like me with a mid-ish tier system and no prior experience with external DACs?
Yes, I believe so. You can always just get the Sparkos op-amps on the RCA outputs which would save you quit a bit. That's what I did and I was impressed. I kept my 4493 J2 for a few days to do back to back comparisons. The depth of the soundstage was immediately apparent as well as the added height. However, it's important to ensure you have cleaned your system of any added noise from your sources because the gain is higher and will result in the noise floor being higher as well. I need to buy power supply filters and a LPS for my sources to mitigate the same in my system. Note, I'm using a recapped Carver amp and not a modern unit so my noise is undoubtedly higher than average. Good luck.
@@Artemis_Prix I will consider that. Thanks for sharing your advice and experience.
Now I have a question: In comparing the J2 4493 version WITH Sparkos Op Amps and the 4499 version with the STOCK op amps, which sounds better?
Yo Randy my main man what kind of power supply were you using in this setup? Was it a switch mode or linear power supply? At this price point, with such a heavy emphasis on soundstage and imaging, it seems like a linear power supply could be a reasonable recommendation to get the most of out of this product. Kind of surprised you havent ordered a nice ultra low noise linear power supply off ebay yet. Most have dual outputs as well. Keep grinding amigo!
just the included switching power supply. Although I am going to hook up a linear power supply to it
@@cheapaudiomanPlease share SQ deltas.
Glad you got Passion of Sound!
How does this compare to denafrips Ares ii?
I don't have it anymore because I gave it away when I got the 4493 version of the J2. I liked it better than the denafrips and like the 4499 better than the 4493 so, in my opinion, it's better than the denafrips
So, the balanced outputs are sonically different? Ie current based.
I made an earlier comment as a reply to a Neil Blanchard comment which is probably buried in any number of layers, so am making one here a bit more easily seen. To be brief… I have had this DAC for almost a month now (see other comment for explanation if you care to) and all I can say is that not only is Randy right in all he says, but so are all of the comments from those of us who actually have this DAC in our systems. I have a very resolving system from the turn of the century which I won't bore you with, then added a Node 2i maybe five years ago for obvious reasons. Never all that happy with it so decided to bypass its DAC. Extremely good timing I have to say, making that decision at the end of August, because I wound up with this baby, and it's absolutely night and day, especially if you think of night as moonless in the middle of the Sahara, and you wake up looking straight east. Randy is not making this up. It’s excellent. What amazes me about all of the negative comments is that they are coming from people who have not heard it. Those who have disagree for a very good reason. The soundstage is fantastic. Enough said.
Randy, could you tell me the wood and glass color of this new unit? It's quite beautiful and it'll help me get one just like yours
Thanks Randy, for the Korn MTV Unplugged recommendation! I gave them a chance, as you suggested, and enjoyed the whole album start to finish through my J2 AKM 4493 and CSS Criton 1TDX…enjoyed it immensely.
Videos like this give me serious FOMO at first but then I go into my listening room and realize that my non-AKM J2 sounds amazing going through my Marantz and JBL!!! Good stuff as always. I will get one of the updated DACs some day and swap the old one to my basement system. Cheers.
That wood case looks freakin awesome!
Great review. Do you think it compares to denafrips Pontus 2? Thinking about making a purchase
like the plants in front, around hifi and tv, seems unusual to me but also very cool and kind of complements the mood....
Sorry if I missed this but what kind of wood is your copy? Mahogany?
As I just purchased one of these myself and have been listening to it for hours, revisiting my music collection and streaming my WiiM Pro through this Sparkos Op amped wonder, I wholeheartedly AGREE with Randy!!! It has brought me closer to my music than anything I’ve heard at TWICE the price. Thank you to Geno and Sherri for making this DAC happen. Keep up the good work Randy! You nailed this review.
Looks great, as always. However, the Burson op-amps are not available on the Geshelli Labs site as an option.
They are now.
I still enjoy watching these, but I'm glad that I started checking ASR for recommendations.
Do they have a integrated amp coming out or something?
@cheapaudioman I know you like Schitt and Gesh Labs but thoughts on Modius vs today's reviewed offering?
Hi Randy - per your live feed earlier... Maybe keep the "Cheap" in your potential series? "Cheaptalk" may you have to say "...with..." to differentiate? "Cheapshot" or "Cheapshots" - "Cheapchatman" - ENOUGH!
Question on configuration...I will only use USB input, and only want to have output to be digital coax or fiber optic. I want the ak4499 processing. I believe I do not need the upscale op amps. Am I understanding this right?
So at this price, hiw does it compare to the Arex ii
Wow for 2 years, the 4499 has been out of print and now budget options are makijg its way with it. Awesome
I’m using a Fosi V3. Would it be better to put the sparkos in the DAC or have them in the V3?
ah. very interesting question. one that I can't answer.... yet
@@cheapaudiomandying to know! LOL😊
That's not a relevant question. The answer is both. An op amp in a dac has a much different role than the opamp in an amplifier. You are thinking about them as if they are a standalone thing that you wouldn't have multiple of, but they are actually just a part of a single amplification stage within a given standalone unit's circuitry.
Nice video, as always!
Some do have concerns about the objective scientific measurements of their products for the price point, but everyone commends their customer service and responsiveness to inquiries, which is excellent!
It's time to listen with your ears not a tool. Many like tube amplifiers, they don't measure very well...
@@Feliciano12vAbsolutely, a balanced approach is essential. For instance, MDs shouldn't depend solely on blood tests or other imaging and measurements. It's crucial that they also engage with patients to understand their experiences and how they feel.
@@Feliciano12vAnother consideration is, if a company charges a higher price for a product compared to a competitor whose product also delivers a satisfying experience at a fraction of the cost, the higher-priced product should also exhibit superior measurable qualities!
by the time you do all the upgrades it will cost you 2 to 3 times the cost of the device...just stick with the SMSL SU-1 for $79.99...no fuss, no mush/muss/cuss
you should probably stick with the SU1
Ok, have you heard a DAC over $1000 that is better? Which one?
I bought the Geshelli stack on your recommendation. I have several dacs including IFI, Burson, SPL and some Schiit. For the money you can't go wrong with Geshelli or Schiit. US companies are a + in my opinion.
I would like to upgrade my DAC I was considering the regular geshelli j2. This just to listening to heaphones. Is it worth to do a full upgrade j2 socketed? Current using atom labs DAC and listening to hd650
Did you talk about the spooky emotiva trade in sale?
I wonder how it would go against my Boarder Patrol. Just when I thought I was done with Dac's for a while :)
Thanks for this great review. I guess we are going to face an out-of-stock shipping delay from Geshelli again after this review. I will have to wait for the New Year before ordering. 😂. Congrats Geno and Sherri for getting another great product out for us. Back to the salt mines for me to earn some more salt to get this. Much appreciated, Randy, for getting my sonic pleasure back. You have enriched my life. Take care, brother.
dude black friday and cyber monday /prime day are coming up. i definitely dont want to buy something and see it on sale a week or so later.
Simon, how are ya? Haven’t seen you on the zoom lately.
@@stevezeidman7224 Greetings Steve, I am very well, Sir. Thanks for asking. I hope and trust you are well too. Me being away from the Zoom will spare your ears and eyes for more pleasurable past-times. 🤣
I'm glad Soundcore sponsored the video today. I use Soundcore too and they do sound great and are very comfortable.
Bifrost 2 is a way better purchase. Modular design for upgrades without having to purchase another dac. Not knocking the Geshelli dac but at the price point the Schiit is it. 🍻
Hi, is it wortwhile to use it to upgrade the sound quailty with cheap chinese integrated amp with 85w ×2?