Hoi4: This is The WORST Nation in Hoi4
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- I love this nation in real life. I hate it in this game
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I forgot who said it but a general said “ If I had to take hell I would use the Australians to take it and the New Zealanders to hold it.
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Pretty sure the reason a lot of the commonwealth nation trees are so bad is that they came out with the Together for Victory expansion which was like the first one.
That was such an underwhelminh expansion
@@kurnugiakurn3567 like hell you played in 2016
but tfv focus trees are also worse than standart focus trees of first seven nation
@@doctorwhat779 I just kinda assumed the TFV trees were on par with the free ones of the time cause I didn't start playing till like Waking the Tiger I think.
@@kurnugiakurn3567 At the time it was amazingly fun since only majors had custom focus trees, the rest of the world had generic ones
I once did a New Zealand run in HOI4. I didn't want to piss off the allies so I tried to naval invade the Dutch East Indies, but then I realised I didn't have naval range.
It took me 2 in-game years to build up a good army and navy, so I just gave up.
Then you get messed over in peqce deals aswell because u r so small
You can basically get a free formable that gives decent manpower just rush down the left side of the focus tree and get the Maori voulounteers then wait for Australia, Uk, France and Usa to join the Allies and ask their pacific islands. After that switch to Japan's side and ask their islands too. You get free cores on all the islands (one of them has like infinite chromium) plus a claim and a core on Taiwan
I’m surprised virtually nobody has even formed Polynesia on here, even just for the memes.
@@Guns_Blazin Feedbackgaming did a vid on it a while back post NSB but pre BBA
YOU THOUGHT YOU COULD GET AWAY WITH POSTING THIS AT 3AM MY TIME. JOKES ON YOU I HAVE CRIPPLING INSOMNIA
Also yes I'm pissed the Bob Semple and Big Bob have been removed
I feel like bothering the devs to fix the together for victory focus trees is a good next step for the community.
one good-ish thing about their focus tree is that, if you go with britain you can send a volunteer division really early with the focus 2NZEF.
problem is that you can`t afford the manpower loss if that division dies
Seeks like the devs took the "sometimes mapmakers forget to even put NZ on the atlas" meme to heart when making their tree
You could do the unite Polynesia thing where you just ask the allies and Japan for all their stuff in the pacific for free cores.
Don't try, NZ is just useless.
16:02 Chinese forces began to shutter at the very mention of "Bob semple". Some would say that the Japanese would at least throw their men in the front-lines while the Kiwis(?) would fly towards your supply lines if you lowered your guard for an instant. The tank was used solely as a spearhead to distract enemy forces long enough for the horses to run them over.
I may be biased because I am a Kiwi but when the New Zealand Focus tree was originally added I quite liked it it wasn't very powerful but it had a lot of fun historical stuff . but unfortunately it has not aged well , all of the Commonwealth Nations really need to be redone with the modern style of Hoi4 Focus trees
Japanese troops seeing Bob semple tank at the battle of jinan: Wasnt expecting a special force
Kiwi District trooper:Thats the point
This, this broke him harder than the ponies ever could 😆
When Man the Guns first came out I remember doing a run as New Zealand where I went all in on navy, and ended up with a Kiwi carrier fleet. I spent the whole game growing my carrier fleet and microing it against Japan. I actually sank a good number of Japanese ships, and had a pretty fun game. I don't remember if I ever lost any carriers since this was like 2 years ago, but I do remember my fleet having to wait in port for a few months to replenish sunk destroyers and cruisers.
New Zealand: gets islands for free and forms Polynesia
Stakuyi: WORST Nation?!
it is also useless because still no manpower or industry
@@doctorwhat779 New Zealand hater.
@@foolishgamer99 huh? I don't have a problem with country's itself (I would wanna live there actually) but unfortunately dominion focus trees are pretty bad and they need a serious rework
@@doctorwhat779 I was joking
As a New Zealander I can pretty much say we just eat ice cream swim at the beach and and have sheep
I thought one of the paths gave you decisions to just ask Britain, France, and America for the Polynesian islands but maybe that was Malaysia or maybe it was a fever dream
Sure do.
@@allinaxford Australia can request Malaysia.
There is no path that requests the polynesian islands. Dats in a mod somewhere
@@Pykerivous Maori volunteers Unlocks Decision: Request Control of Pacific Islands
@@Pykerivous when LaR was released a change was made to tfv which allows NZ request to ownership of allied pacific islands. After collecting key islands from Britain, France, America and Japan you can get cores on all of them.
Alternate Video Title:Immense Pain and Suffering as New Zealand ft. Belligerent Screaming and the Japanese AI
seeing a man so angry at New Zeeland of all places is the funniest shit i have ever seen
New Zealand - surrounded by salt water.
Stakuyi - feels the salt.
All I'm hearing is PDX went all in on historical accuracy.
The history behind the Bob Semple is pretty interesting. As I recall (potentially incorrectly, don't cite a TH-cam comment for your history term paper), New Zealand around this time didn't have much of an industry to speak of, with most of it used for railway manufacturing and no way to roll steel thicker than 15mm, or any way to get a hold of anything better than a tractor for propulsion. Even so they managed to make something which, if not viable in a military context, was still a proof of concept for their nascent industry, and by 1941 or so they were throwing down carrier hulls.
you're actually missing a whole lot of interesting details also the railroad stuff is not true most of New Zealand's rails came from other countries we did have some heavy industry but they were more related to construction and farming than to Railway. the Bob Semple Tanks as a concept was inspired the American Disston "Six Ton Tractor Tank" . Bob sample/Robert sample who at the time was Minister of Public Works was basically given the mission to make a prototype "tractor tank" something that was cheap to make and could be used like a mobile pillbox because during that time they couldn't really borrow tanks of the British because the British just lost most of their tanks in France . the Bob Semple Tanks that were made were all prototypes made with the cheapest materials possible they just made them as a proof-of-concept , Bob sample/Robert sample imagine that if they were mass-produced they they would make it so the body was made and then could be distributed across New Zealand and when the Japanese invade the bodies could just simply be placed on the Caterpillar D8 crawler tractor temporarily just during combat and honestly it would of been somewhat effective . but luckily there was no need to do that because the Americans joined in and the British started to have enough tanks to start to lend to the Commonwealth countries .
When he said death or dishonour and i remembered that the new zealand dlc was added more than 5 years ago i suddenly felt ancient
8:28 huh, I had wanted to jam to Kai Tangata by Alien Weaponry yesterday but went to work and forgot to.
... and recommend a friend some tactical canoe uses/concealment for the marsh/jungle based nation they made in our collab D&D world 😅
Thanks for the reminder Stakuyi! 👍
Nice, Alien Weaponry is dope, and that sounds like an awesome setting.
@@aaronsirkman8375 thanks. DM made a continent, Each of us made our own country, she decided to combine Tenochtitlan(?) style Capital/South America with South East Asia... and 'north' Vietnamese tactics in particular. 😂😅 but also poison frog darts. So yeah
How about playing as Australia and see how many of it's specific achievements you can complete in one video?
7:57 Stakuyi looks so done already.
Heya stakuyi, I have a recommendation, Road to 56, Sweden, Communist route. Its a fully fledged tree, and eventually you can create the "nordic socialist union" or something of the sort.
You can’t do half of the ANZAC’s & leave it at that… Fingers crossed for an Aussie play through 🤞🤞
What do you expected ? They dont even get represented on some maps.
On another note, this tech tree came around the same time as licenses feature so PDXs logic on New Zealand was "you research fast, you give others bonus, you get industry in return".
That's why NZ focus tree can give you 6(or was it 5) research slots, second one after US(originally, USSR nowadays after NSB can probably get the same amount too) and why all your political focuses end with "join research group of X". IE you research Big Bob not for yourself, but for Canada or USA, whom will lend lease it to UK or India to be used.
But yeah, looking at current trees for Ethiopia, Portugal, Bulgaria and Netherlands, it's bad. You should at least be able to pursue "overlordship" over British Malaya in competition with Australia, get claims on Dutch East Indies and request control of the islands from US.
On a side note what NZ tree needs(for sake of complexity I'll talk about only loyalist path) is to have focuses that give it massive special forces capacity(as marines is basically all you army), off map factories from other Commonwealth members and finally volunteer focuses for manpower. In fact ALL Commonwealth nations should get focuses to get volunteer manpower from Raj, off map factories from Canada and US and maybe even some old ships from UK and US.
Fixing Bob Sample, Schofield and Big Bob focuses is secondary to that.
You can request islands from the U.S. once they join the allies in 41. But you cant request from japan which sucks
you can't even demand the island within new zealand force but australia can demand papa new Guinea
For when all your building slots are full you could convert your civs into mills
Bob Semple Supremacy
On the far left side of the focus tree you can unlock the ability to get islands from your allies, if you go Fascist but stay in the allies and don't join the war than get islands from your allies and stay until America joins, ask them for islands than immediately take the focus to join Japan, request islands from Japan and unite Polynesia.
That's the idea anyway, I've only seen it done but never done it myself.
Or skip all that, play Australia, Make good Cruiser's for anti-surface raiding and Infantry + Tank.
Luxembourg: BRUH IT REALLY BE YOUR OWN PEOPLE HUH
I would have implemented the following: If the player has researched the Basic Light Tank - give a national spirit that give -25% to light tank production cost.
2:31 NO! It's AVERAGE not tiny or small!
It about average size
New Zealand can have 6 research slots, last one under think big and super heavy tank focus.
Hope you had a good trip and welcome back!
How dare you offend the great nation of Bob Semple, I'm tracking your location
Yeah, New Zealand could have something better.
Dunno, maybe some points like "Reform the County", "Join Uruk-hai" or "Join Gondor".
Then "Sent Hobbits to Isengard" or "Send Hobbits to Mount Fate".
Something historical would be cool.
the maori path allows you to demand polynesian islands from allies, so if you wait til france and usa are in allies you can get their territorities, leave the faction as facists and join japan, ask for their territories before joining ww2 and you can at least form polynesia
I mean its New Zealand? What did you expect? A way for them to become super powerful and rival Germany? Quite frankly, you should thankful the nation even has a focus tree, or heck even for being on the fricking map! The focus tree isn't meant to be fun to play, it only exists so the AI has something to do and doesn't break the game engine.
It’s OK if you made a mistake, welcome back from vacation!
3:35 it’s relatively useful in multiplayer cus other people can license production it and make it with their industry
as a kiwi I'm sad that we just generally suck in most games like this >:(
It is almost like New Zealand would have been better if it had a basic focus tree not a unique one. How unique.
u could do a 1h video just comparing vanilla trees to r56 mod and notice how much balance and love modders put in for free
Hey Stakuyi, a mod for HoI4 I would really love to see you play is the Total Overhaul Mod, it's made by a friend of mine and is designed to keep specifically peace time a lot more interesting. Also it has a tendency to throw the game into absolute Chaos with war being fought everywhere and between every nation. Anyways really love your videos, keep up the good work my man.
i think that in multiplayer unlocking the super-heavy tank might (and i want to emphasize on the MIGHT) be useful to a UK that wants SH tanks without reaserching to the tortoise
The fact that it has a capitalship focus 🤣
Tsundere Stakuyi be like, “It’s not like I like HOI4 or anything!”
THEY REMOVED THE BOBS
as a new zealander, i feel paradox did new zealand dirty with the focus tree
How about Equatorial Guinea?
Just throw one paratrooper division at Paris and you'll be fine.
Well, I think the whole point of playing as New Zealand, and it was intended by devs, is to create united polinesia. You receive a good amount of building slots and manpower but another side of the medal that a long build up, you literally need to wait to 1941 before you can start play as in some kind powerful national.
Will you please do Luxembourg again
Banana Republics, Republic of Turkey, Kiwi Empire... What's next?
Lore of Hoi4: This is The WORST Nation in Hoi4 momentum 100
You should be able to recruit 4 hobbits!
The DLC was named "Together for Victory", and despite having some of the best art out of all of the dlcs, it and DOD were so fucking bad that PARADOX, the biggest of money grubbing companies gave out dlc for free to the people who actually bought it
Paradox? The biggest of money grubbing companies?
@@anna-flora999 how many dlc does eu4 have
@@ayathados6629 a bunch. But compared to most of the big players in the industry, paradox is a paragon of generosity.
Never discount fighting with a single big bob division is Europe, it’s meta
Can u do a short on the type 89 ‘knee mortar’ and why similar things aren’t used today?
Thanx
If those kiwis could read they'd be very upset
He forgot the manpower console command
Can you make a short/video on the bob semple tank?
Polynesia, submarine fleets, and inexpensive airplanes for cheap air supremacy. It is possible. I'm contemplating a tier list where New Zealand firmly fits the joke tier that exploitive knowledge of the game is the only reason they are serious in any way possible.
So basically you're saying Ireland has a better focus tree than New Zealand?
A really good mod is darkest hour
It's a really good focus tree. It helps you do exactly what New Zealand has been doing for It's whole existence. Nothing.
This run seems to be pissing Stak off even more than the Afghanistan Run
The DLC was together for victory
Not most of them, all together for victory focus trees are suck. They are too limited with world tension or being at war and you have so limited ideological options.
TH-cam changed the monetization guide lines again
Together for Victory, I believe.
I pulled 300k manpower from New Zealand in a competitive multiplayer with 30+ players. New Zealand is capable of standing in ww2 against European axis powers like Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria and, if they are just bad, Italy. New Zealand is all about pulling out insane unexpected surprise attacks against larger more powerful nations to get a quick beach head that Britain and America can rush in and defend.
Makes the basic hoi4 focus tree look good
I sense some disappointment with the New Zeeland focus tree, or am I reading something in?
I wanna see more of these generic HOI4 videos!
Byzantine Empire run when?!
Fun fact
This was the first nation I played (without dlcs)
I’m disappointed in you Stak for not going the Alternate Democratic Path where you get independence 😢
Same, just immediately click the notification.
this nation is a perfect example whu theu need to fix liscense production getting a 39 tank from uk or usa would be great but having 3 civ and burning them just for some tank production is huge cost. faction liscense sharing need to be buffed especiallu for puppets or dominions
Play kaiserreich Austria and try to end dual monarchy (it's very hard)
The Japanese didn't invade New Zealand because if their 3 Bob Semple tanks, they must have been the best tanks in the world at the time.
Is that, the old Hoi 4 ui in the thumbnail?
Me, playing Bhutan: Worst nation?
After seeing you in even more pain because of Japan's AI in this vudeo makes me want to give a break. Maybe you should play Japan next, so you can show how it's actually done and have kind of cathartic relief from it.
Ey, stayuki, any chance you're gonna play the The New Order: Last Days of Europe mod?
u should send hatemail to pdx so theu update the allies dlc because this is just sad
That ending, what a cliffhangr, I guess. ^^
Shit happens :D
He forgets the power of the democratic Polynesia
Wait, you do hearts of iron content?! Thought it was just the history shorts. Guess I know what backlong I’m watching for a while
Is it possible to have a somewhat successful/enjoyable anarchist challenge run somewhere? I like your videos, but haven't played the game myself. I imagine that the lack of centralized authority would make it difficult to wage war, but I don't know if that will turn out to be a fun challenge or just pure frustration.
There's only one anarchist playthrough possible, which is one of the uprisings in the Spanish Civil War.
It is massively overpowered if you do it properly. You can get core territories on the entire world, which allows you to use the full population, resources, and factories of any state you desire.
If you play as the Spanish, win the civil war, and then immediately invade China (which you will have a state in already as you conquer Portugal), then you will have unlimited manpower and good resources.
@@whitehawk4099 Not true, communist ethiopia can also go anarchist, but they can only unite africa, unlike spain who can unite the world.
@@mappingshaman5280 Ah yes, I forgot about them. I have never played ethiopia, nor have I seen the ai pick that path, so it slipped my mind.
So they made the whole focuse tree as a meme?
Man they did John Ormnod pretty dirty there.
I'd never heard of the guy so I googled him. Apparently not really a fascist, fought in the war, and he didn't look like that during the war.
He looked like this: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ormond_(farmer)
Just thought I'd throw that out there since yknow he's dead and there's enough people calling other people fascists these days.
yes because some countries does not have actual fascist movement at that time so they are putting closest thing they could.
Brick with heavy tank ?
My dumbass over here thinking Luxembourg was the worst lmao
I think new Zealand focus tree has had buff I think u should retry
Why did they do that? Medium tanks have existed since 1918. 1938 for the first Medium seems a little stupid.
Just buff light tanks or nerf mediums for balance.