I was in the middle of a custom storm dragon build into a Lancier inspired buggy and I am totally stealing components out of this kit for the front wheels, this is going to be so much more fun now.
In Sweden, we have run the Nordic Vintage Challenge, NVC in short, for many years. We have chosen 1994 as the youngest, I think. And you can drive with re-re cars. Options must be what could probably be done or were available at the time the car was driven. In recent years, the 4WD and 2WD classes got bigger because we got a little tired of the oldest ones. And we are all the same age and we mostly drove in the 90s. Then it will be the 90s we prefer. The motors we use are now mostly brushless, as DC motors are becoming harder to come by. But we allow you to run a 19t dc motor as lowest winds. With brushless we drive 17.5t in 2WD and 13.5t in 4WD. If there are enough of us starters in 2WD classic and 4WD classic, we have the same rules there. Limited to 17.5 and 13.5 and if you want to run a dc motor, the lowest is 19t. And no one is using NiCd and NiMh all run 7.4V hardcase EFRA/ROAR approved. After almost 10 years of this racing here in Sweden, it has decreased. There is still a race every year, but not like it used to be. The rules we use. www.ymr.no/nvc/rules.html 🏁
rc racing in sweden for 1:10 off road seems to be a bit hard as its mostly mid swedish cup and some small amount of random race, not eaven so much club racing going on.
I think it’s ok to run a rere in vintage, parts are too hard to find for some. But I do believe they should stick with brushed motors and a very basic esc to be as close to mechanical as possible.
Or if going brushless, the turn count and allowed gear ratios should be limited. The ESC technology today allows us to dial in the maximum allowed RPM and a bunch of other settings that can be utilized to really level the playing field and restrict the speeds to an appropriate level for the old designs (and drivers, in my case.)
Really enjoy your show. I have the RC10 DS and it is a blast to drive. It looks almost new because I have taken really good care of it. This was great news for me because I haven't driven it for a few years because I can't get tires that fit. I am really looking forward to the new release. My friends and I race street converted RC10's with BMW and Mercedes bodies from a company called Frewer. Loads and loads of fun!!! Cheers from Denmark, Hayward
Tamiya Hornet Evo, I never believed they will do it! Kind of must have for Tamiya Fans. It's a pity they didn't choose a motor in front of the axle configuration, but instead at the very end. And the front axle seems to be wider, which sacrifices the original proportions. Nevertheless amazing news...
Vintage "racing" is always a good topic for discussion. Good to see you've brought it up on your channel Gavin !! (Y) Down here in Oz it's more about the spirit of vintage R/C and being able to see the cars on track rather than individual results , having this mind set is one of the reasons our Vintage Bash has been a success
Cheers for showing the lake district in its true summer style 😂 that was the worst rain we got, but had some sun aswell 😂 its allways a tricky situation with vintage rules. But revival events have now put a 10.5 motor limit on, no brass parts, no modern wings. There will allways be those that push everything to the limit to win, me. I just like running the old cars, seeing people i only see a few times a year at these events, having a laugh, and there are some bargains to be had aswell at the big events. But overall. Have fun 👍
the losi racers (22 5.0 and 22x-4 for 1/10th; 8IGHT-X/E 2.0 and 8IGHT-XT/XTE for 1/8th ) are under the tlracing banner and usually not listed on the losi main page (aside from the occasional rtr).
As for the vintage Vs Re-Re thing I know all the Kyosho re-re cars have much smoother gearboxes that’ll take more power. The brushed vs brushless is a bit bunk though. A fast, lower T brushed motor is as fast as a brushless but they are usually “poppy” and coggy and tougher to control than a modern brushless especially a sensored one. I wish there was more vintage racing in the US. I’m on the IconicRC Facebook but I didn’t realize they were a sanctioning body but I’m glad they are trying. I hope they do something in the US
I just got notification today my DS ready to ship it’ll be nice to have one again I did have a DS Team Kit back in the day and raced it in what was called gearbox class at my local on road club it didn’t handle as well as my home brewed car built for that class (something that was common in the class) so I sold off the DS but later regretted it. At the time it was all about funding my RC racing so I didn’t have a lot of fun cars or shelf queens etc. unfortunately I sold off a lot of cars I’d like to have back today
I'm sticking with Kyosho. I don't see any reason to support Team Associated when they cannot supply in decent quantities. I'm certainly not paying £500 for a £350 kit on ebay. 😅
I'm excited for the Hornet Evo, first time I've wanted a Hornet, and hoping that there's a few more kits that get a similar treatment. I really hope there's a few awesome Tamiya releases this year, and through their anniversary... and inhope to add a couple more Tamiyas to my collection over the next year or two. Regarding vintage racing, I've seen some awesome photos and such from events in other parts of the world. I'd really like to see a scene develop for that here in my area, and I think it's happening, to some extent. There's a handful of folks around that race older stuff, even in the club races against modern stuff... RC10s, Ultima reres, 10Ts , and we have a decent group of folks that race 2wd nitro stadium trucks, "Gas Truck" ... we allow them in 2wd Mod Truck class locally. We have a handful of events that have been trying to offer a class for "Vintage" buggies in my area, as well as a "Gas Truck" class. Recently we had the Adam Drake Gas Truck Nationals at HRCR which also had "Vintage" and Rear Motor classes for 2wd. I hope that things keep building and maybe eventually we can have a Vintage 4wd buggy class... If there's enough of a scene for Vintage , I can see where making date cutoffs could end up working out, so you can kinda recreate some of the period correct iconic battles of the first couple decades if RC racing, but for now the track I help with is running a fun Vintage/Retro 2wd class, to help try to build the scene.... we are leaving it really open, so older cars and trucks, as well as ReRe kits and even modern kits, which are rear motor and 2wd... including things like BBX, Dirt Master, PR Racing RM buggy(they sent us one to raffle!) ... whatever we can do to have extra fun and maybe spark something to build the scene I think is great. Look forward to seeing what you build next, and good luck finding a great van to add to your RC adventures.
There is racing on the rc10t in England but I hope it will come more popular, over here in Northern Ireland we have just got a grass track for 1/10 buggy’s but as you say weather has been very wet this year I’m hoping for us someone will open an indoor buggy track as we don’t have any over here unfortunately, you guys are very lucky you have tracks all over the place, thanks for sharing the video Gavin, I’m looking forward to your rc10b7, and before I forget if you haven’t started the build get the steering upgrade for the rc10b7 I done mine there and it’s a big difference and also put a metal arm on your servo too that’s a must leaves everything so smooth , big like as always mate
The issue I have is unless it adds value to the channel content, spending money on a car just for me personally has to be extremely justified. I really want a Traxxas USR but it doesn’t really make sense over I would love one personally. Same for a 501x but I’m bickering as I really enjoyed the Durga.
Here in the states, maybe in the UK. A lot of the old radio systems are technically illegal in the eyes of the FCC (US) (for example wideband systems - silver sticker). Just run the cars and enjoy them, forget about 'can i win'. -U10
I think that Team Associated (Thunder Tiger) are shooting themselves in the foot, they really need to 'up their game' as it were. As for Tamiya, I do love them, and I like the look of the Hornet Evo, but like a lot of other people I hope they bring out something really special for their 50th anniversary, and not just another bleeding TT-02!! Vintage racing, what a subject to pick up on. I race a re-re Kyosho Ultima in the vintage class at my local off-road club, and to me that's OK, but I can also see the other side of the equation. There's no right or wrong answer, in the end it's personal opinion. And it's up to whatever club/track is running a 'vintage' event to decide what is and isn't allowed. As for a 'budget' off-road racer, I think the Schumacher Laydown (LD1) is a great choice, they can be picked up for reasonable money and spares are readily available. Plus they are really sturdy, I've driven a couple and they take a hell of a kicking. Just my two cents.....
ah, a RC Car of Theseus discussion! personally i think the main aspect is the geometry and layout. and for fairness maybe a differentiation between "mod" and "stock" in regards to hopups. i can imagine a yz10r will run circles around a box stock yz10.
The R certainly more advanced than a bone-stock YZ-10 from the mid ’90s but wouldn’t keep up with modern wheelers if we assume the drivers have equal skills. 4WD cars are a bit difficult to put into ”modern” and ”oldschool” categories because they went from rear motors to mid such a long time ago. Perhaps the biggest revolution in wheelers was the snowball that started with 3rd party prototyping, evolved into the AE B44 and the founding of Team Durango, and settled into the Xray XB4 about 10 years ago. Since then, others have made just their own variant of the Xray: AE, TLR, Yokomo, PR, and LC. With 2WD buggies it’s easier: rear motor with a tub chassis is the oldschool way, like AE B4 and older.
When they teased the RC10 DS I was pretty excited as I remembered them being on the shelf at my LHS (which I ended up working at in high school). However, when I saw they weren’t making the Mercedes Benz body available, I was out. That body is nearly impossible to come by. Also, the “Mustang” body the rere comes with is unlicensed and looks goofy.
Can you imagine if Tamiya is gearing up for a bunch more Evo releases for the 50th anniversary year? Sand Scorcher / SRB Evo, Frog Evo. Maybe even original Toyota Hilux Evo!!!
I’ll put my house on the 959 for the 50th. Unfortunately it will be a new release. Porsche re released the actual car last year for collectors. Unfortunately it will all be new decals and slight body change
There are really 3 groups vintage , classic , re re Did you see the 959 kit of limited production from. Need a bigger shed They sold out immediately May be Tamiya will REre the hi lux original Same box art and everything or even the Cheetah for 50th 😊
It's a difficult one with vintage racing, I certainly think rere models should be allowed as sourcing parts for vintage buggies can get very costly. Maybe there should be a higher limit on the brushless motor systems though as some of them are so quick you might as well be running a modern buggy, then perhaps if you wanted to use a period brushed system you wouldn't be at such a disadvantage. I kind of like what they do with the vintage bash in Australia where it seems to be more about getting them off of people shelves and seeing them running than about winning the races, more relaxed and just about having a good time than being competitive. On the topic of the Schumacher Bosscat, do you think it's worth picking up a procat kit while they are still available incase they go out of production soon? Or is it better to perhaps wait for the Bosscat to be released later in the year?
There seems to be a lot of UK enthusiasm for Tamiya RC and UK RC content creators that enjoy Tamiya products. The US has a Tamiya Championship Series supported by Tamiya USA. Does the UK have that series as well? I'd think if there was, the content creators would participate and/or cover the races, but I've not seen it.
Tamiya has a strong presence in Germany with Carson. The videos I see from their races look like a lot of people showing up and having fun. It’s all in German, though, so might be difficult to run into if you don’t know the language.
Again putting my Swiss precision hat 😅, but 50 years of Tamiya RC are either this year (56001 Tank M4 Sherman in late 74) or in 2026 (58001 Porsche 934 in late 76) not in 2025 😉 I'm tempted by the RC10DS 😇
I feel you on all those added cost ordering from the U.S. don't feel alone though. Even over here we usually pay way over msrp. There's right at 10% sales tax added to everything here for most of us. I'll be honest, i don't even understand it. Sometimes i pay $50-100 tax on trucks i order and there's times like last week i ordered the new Redcat Valkarie and only paid the $299 list price. I think it depends on the state it's ordered from and or state you live in. U.S tax law is purposefully incomprehensible. You pay tax on income you earn and sales tax when you spend it. Huge racket for govt.
I’m interested to see what the Kyosho Laser SV Dirtcross that’s coming next month will be like. It’s clearly a budget friendly model - but interesting in its retro vibe. Could be good.
You are 100% wright Gavin, Tamiya should start to listen to there buyers and collectors; like a release of the Dynostorm or the TR-15T or even an Electric version of the TR-15T or a release of the early LEMANS type cars like they did at Kyosho, but a release of the Hornet; there are more interesting kits out there and Tamiya is always behind....
American brands are steering away from distributors and towards direct sales due to ever diminishing margins. Trek and Canyon are doing the same in the bicycle industry as they squeeze their product lines due to decreased company overheads, while still remaining "competitive". It's a tough market out there, especially in niche markets like RC.
I can dream on then. I still think a Hornet Evo vs an Associated B7 (as a future vid) is a far more entertaining comparison than TRICKBITS YZ10R vs PR Racing SB40...
I’m not sure I agree with you on that one my friend. It would be like comparing walking with driving a car to see who can travel the furthest the quickest.
@@RCKickschannel Well, yes an no. I think what I'm saying is as a fan of RC old and new I'd enjoy seeing you wrestle with the hornet, getting a half decent lap time with it would be a nightmare against all the dialed in modern buggies at your club. The Hornet was a car I used to salivate over as a kid having no idea how woeful it really is (even this newer version will be terrible). I think it would be a high click video. I can see the title "I took a Tamiya Hornet racing against modern buggies...you won't believe the results" and a video thumbnail of you looking pained with your hand on your forehead. Ok it's a bit click-baity but all your competitors do it....Either way Gav, I'm a big fan of your channel.
19:28 Team Associated will be selling the YZ10. It is available for pre-order on Amain for $470. I don't know why this agreement/arrangement was made between AE and Yokomo.
The AE/Yokomo YZ-10 is a YZ-870C with a different body and some other small changes. They had good ties in the past with team drivers using AE 2WD and Yokomo 4WD buggies since AE didn’t make a wheeler and Yokomo didn’t make a 2WD buggy. Gavin is talking about the later models from the ’90s that Yokomo designated the YZ-10.
You shouldn't compare the US tax free price, as in nearly every state US customers will be paying additional tax on that price. Their taxes are much lower than the UK 20% VAT of course. Associated would also lose money if they discount to the wholesaler, who will then add their own markup... if they didn't, everyone would still just buy direct to cut out that middleman.
Gav your still missing the point of the Hornet Evo, it's the 40th anniversary of the Hornet. Instead of just doing a different colour body they have completely changed it, I think that makes it the most special kit this year, especially as they have kept the original chassis and body.
@@RCKickschannel would be cool if they did, but from my knowledge Anniversary label editions from Tamiya tend to be for the company only like the Black chrome Hornet which was Tamiya 40th anniversary edition.
Would be great too run full period vintage but there’s just not enough parts around too do it, and a lot have been hoarded by collectors pushing up the price. A mix of rere and modern parts is keeping vintage racing alive and accessible.
I just did a quick search on eBay and there seem to be a few RC10T available for USD 379.99 excl. shipping (USD 60) from the US and Canada. That is excl. import taxes but Seems sort of reasonable. I hope you can manage to take some leave.
Exactly! And I don’t think it’s unfair at all since the more race-worthy option costs less than the actually old vehicle. I haven’t seen a single collector complain about being able to preserve their valuable restauration projects and race a rerelease without a constant worry holding them back.
Being as the Yokomo YZ 834 is more similar to a V1 Tamiya Hotshot than the YZ10/870C it should have been a lot less expensive but unfortunately it’s about the same price as the 870C. It’s mostly plastic so it should have been priced accordingly
Simple. Rere is vintage. After all performance is hardly affected. Moses electronics should be allowed and motors should be specified to run. If you have a vintage with weak parts, exchange for rere for the race only and revert back for originality if required.
If you race authentic vintage cars and parts, you'd be expecting a lot of maintenance and soon parts used will be current re-release and reproduction copies. So really having a vintage race should include reres. Otherwise, it is just not sustainable, parts will be harder to get.
Depends what it’s for. Bashing Arrma and Traxxas, racing Schumacher and Team Associated. Kit building Tamiya and Kyosho has grown over the last few years. Budget stuff is FTX, MJX and WLToys to name a few
I have it on good authority that the RC10T have been shipped via sea and not by air like everywhere else in the world . ETA RC10T UK.........mid August
@@RCKickschannel I just assumed, being a collector of sorts, you would still want a piece of the action. As well as spreading the word to your viewers.
Vintage to me is about the design of the cars, not whether or not they're a reproduction. If they're still using the same 20+ year old design philosophy I'm all for it. Personally I feel that making too many rules ruins the sport. Vintage racing should be fun, not an overly complex battleground.
Sorry to say that but a store in London would be a very bad strategy. If tamiya want to set foot in Europe they need to place their store in the Shengen zone. Lock the european customers base behind imports and custom fee would be a really bad idea
@@RCKickschannel targeting the European market by placing a storefront outside the shengen zone is suicidal. 30 countries worth of customer forced to pay import fees. really a bad commercial move.
The UK is a big enough market to justify a special store. Especially when it comes to RC, the scene seems very much alive over there. Sure if you are looking for the EU market then a store outside the EU would not make sense.
I was excited for the Hornet Evo but at that price point? Don’t see it myself. You can buy a Top Force for the same price, if not cheaper. At least the Super Hornet had some nice big wheels & looked mean, but the upgrades on the Evo at that price point doesn’t seem worth it. Just like the VQS, the price seems high compared to other Tamiya cars out there. Disappointing
I ordered a yz10 and a rc10ds last week. With $48 usd to ship via fedex to Canada. I got the notification last night that delivery is tomorrow. $160 CAD tax and processing fee. I don't know of that is the tax for both kits yet. The box is 12x12x24 so i think it is just the one kit. If I i get hit for tax twice because its a split shippment but valued as full for each I am going to be pissed.
It would be cool to see a TRF race buggy and the timing would be good, it’s just the competition is extremely strong so it would need to be the best Tamiya can do to stand a chance.
Those old diesel engines are hard to kill. You can have half a million kilometers (~ 300k miles) on the odometer and the engine itself still serviceable. It’s more a question of whether everything else is falling apart.
you want good alround RC cars , then spend money on something like HoBao's best 8th scale models , like their Hyper VS2-E buggy , Hyper VT-E road car , Hyper GT rally car , Hyper SST-E truggy , and the new upcoming 10th scale Hyper TT-2.0 truggy 🤔 .
Yeah 20 years isn't vintage IMHO and it seems the google agrees. - The word vintage literally means "of age." With such an open meaning, there are many interpretations. Most antique dealers consider an item to be vintage if it is at least 40 years old. A bit like when people claim to be a VET after serving just 5 years, makes it/them sound better.
It also depends on the maturity of the technology. What is considered vintage is basically an agreement among the people into that stuff. Clothes and furniture, for example, may go out of fashion and age in that sense but it takes easily half a century for them to become vintage. In my view, vintage is the actual stuff from back then but rere, retro, or old-school can be new production of old designs or style. I don’t have a specific year in mind for RC cars but rather the design: rear motor 2WD buggies belong in the vintage category and mid-motors are modern vehicles.
I wish they did. My first race-grade kit that I got to assemble was a ’94 YZ-10. Over the decades, I have bought and sold all kinds of stuff and never looked back after getting rid of it but selling the Yokomo was a mistake. Someone said Yokomo would not rere the mid-90s kits because they would be too expensive but I don’t see what’s so special about them compared to any other rerelease or current offering.
Hey Gavin I know Tamiya read this because they like my cookies because they're sweet so if it was me why don't they do horror cars since Japanese are into horror and if they decided they want to maybe I'll get some kind of consolation out of it my second opinion would be for them to drop new little racers like the Losi micro-t and something that they could keep up with the kyosho mini z my other favorite kind of car is the comical cars I like comical cars because it's your idea like when they had the panda and then they had the different ones maybe they can do like a octopus one or something there's something fun how about a boat give me more videos of Corbin don't buy a van rent a van if you do buy a van at least you can keep it for your family why don't you make one of those dogs like dumb and dumber van or you can get a wrap on it make a pink lunch box so what you should do is just rent it
@@RCKickschannel i dont know i just making fun of tlr as they seems to still got the problem of spare parts for the race buggys and no new kits come out while Xray and AE got multiple kits since tlr 22 5.0 elite kit came out.
1. Business is full of idiots in upper management. Nepotism doesn't explain most of them. 2. RC folks want what they want, and they want it now. They want it all, not understanding how much it costs to hire the people to develop the products, to produce the products, to store the products, to distribute the products, and to promote the products. But why understand, when one can complain? Complaining is more fun, and criticizing gives ignorant people a sense of superiority. 3. I dunno, maybe trade your healthcare system for cheaper imported goods. And export your jobs while running massive trade deficits like we do over here, where our toy cars are cheaper, and so many have big credit card debts so that they can have them ;)
Personally , I won't touch RC'S of the likes of TEAM ASSOCIATED , TRAXXAS , TAMIYA and their likes with a barge pole , with their mostly crappy & overpriced manufacturerd RC'S and kits 🤣🤣🤣
Tamiya Hornet Evo, Tamiya have proved you can polish a Turd and make it better.
I was in the middle of a custom storm dragon build into a Lancier inspired buggy and I am totally stealing components out of this kit for the front wheels, this is going to be so much more fun now.
How about some tlo1 on road touring kits ta03 ff kits f103 gt sedan kits everything rere on tto2 chassis how about a mini cooper mb01 kit
In Sweden, we have run the Nordic Vintage Challenge, NVC in short, for many years. We have chosen 1994 as the youngest, I think. And you can drive with re-re cars. Options must be what could probably be done or were available at the time the car was driven. In recent years, the 4WD and 2WD classes got bigger because we got a little tired of the oldest ones. And we are all the same age and we mostly drove in the 90s. Then it will be the 90s we prefer. The motors we use are now mostly brushless, as DC motors are becoming harder to come by. But we allow you to run a 19t dc motor as lowest winds. With brushless we drive 17.5t in 2WD and 13.5t in 4WD. If there are enough of us starters in 2WD classic and 4WD classic, we have the same rules there. Limited to 17.5 and 13.5 and if you want to run a dc motor, the lowest is 19t. And no one is using NiCd and NiMh all run 7.4V hardcase EFRA/ROAR approved.
After almost 10 years of this racing here in Sweden, it has decreased. There is still a race every year, but not like it used to be.
The rules we use.
www.ymr.no/nvc/rules.html
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rc racing in sweden for 1:10 off road seems to be a bit hard as its mostly mid swedish cup and some small amount of random race, not eaven so much club racing going on.
I think it’s ok to run a rere in vintage, parts are too hard to find for some. But I do believe they should stick with brushed motors and a very basic esc to be as close to mechanical as possible.
Or if going brushless, the turn count and allowed gear ratios should be limited.
The ESC technology today allows us to dial in the maximum allowed RPM and a bunch of other settings that can be utilized to really level the playing field and restrict the speeds to an appropriate level for the old designs (and drivers, in my case.)
Really enjoy your show. I have the RC10 DS and it is a blast to drive. It looks almost new because I have taken really good care of it. This was great news for me because I haven't driven it for a few years because I can't get tires that fit. I am really looking forward to the new release. My friends and I race street converted RC10's with BMW and Mercedes bodies from a company called Frewer. Loads and loads of fun!!!
Cheers from Denmark,
Hayward
Tamiya Hornet Evo, I never believed they will do it! Kind of must have for Tamiya Fans. It's a pity they didn't choose a motor in front of the axle configuration, but instead at the very end. And the front axle seems to be wider, which sacrifices the original proportions. Nevertheless amazing news...
Vintage "racing" is always a good topic for discussion. Good to see you've brought it up on your channel Gavin !! (Y)
Down here in Oz it's more about the spirit of vintage R/C and being able to see the cars on track rather than individual results , having this mind set is one of the reasons our Vintage Bash has been a success
Cheers for showing the lake district in its true summer style 😂 that was the worst rain we got, but had some sun aswell 😂 its allways a tricky situation with vintage rules. But revival events have now put a 10.5 motor limit on, no brass parts, no modern wings. There will allways be those that push everything to the limit to win, me. I just like running the old cars, seeing people i only see a few times a year at these events, having a laugh, and there are some bargains to be had aswell at the big events. But overall. Have fun 👍
I can smell that indoor track through my screen.
the losi racers (22 5.0 and 22x-4 for 1/10th; 8IGHT-X/E 2.0 and 8IGHT-XT/XTE for 1/8th ) are under the tlracing banner and usually not listed on the losi main page (aside from the occasional rtr).
As for the vintage Vs Re-Re thing I know all the Kyosho re-re cars have much smoother gearboxes that’ll take more power. The brushed vs brushless is a bit bunk though. A fast, lower T brushed motor is as fast as a brushless but they are usually “poppy” and coggy and tougher to control than a modern brushless especially a sensored one. I wish there was more vintage racing in the US. I’m on the IconicRC Facebook but I didn’t realize they were a sanctioning body but I’m glad they are trying. I hope they do something in the US
I just got notification today my DS ready to ship it’ll be nice to have one again I did have a DS Team Kit back in the day and raced it in what was called gearbox class at my local on road club it didn’t handle as well as my home brewed car built for that class (something that was common in the class) so I sold off the DS but later regretted it. At the time it was all about funding my RC racing so I didn’t have a lot of fun cars or shelf queens etc. unfortunately I sold off a lot of cars I’d like to have back today
I will be definitely getting the Yokomo YZ 834b and converting it to the RPS Yokomo SE.
I'm sticking with Kyosho. I don't see any reason to support Team Associated when they cannot supply in decent quantities. I'm certainly not paying £500 for a £350 kit on ebay. 😅
I'm excited for the Hornet Evo, first time I've wanted a Hornet, and hoping that there's a few more kits that get a similar treatment.
I really hope there's a few awesome Tamiya releases this year, and through their anniversary... and inhope to add a couple more Tamiyas to my collection over the next year or two.
Regarding vintage racing, I've seen some awesome photos and such from events in other parts of the world. I'd really like to see a scene develop for that here in my area, and I think it's happening, to some extent.
There's a handful of folks around that race older stuff, even in the club races against modern stuff... RC10s, Ultima reres, 10Ts , and we have a decent group of folks that race 2wd nitro stadium trucks, "Gas Truck" ... we allow them in 2wd Mod Truck class locally. We have a handful of events that have been trying to offer a class for "Vintage" buggies in my area, as well as a "Gas Truck" class. Recently we had the Adam Drake Gas Truck Nationals at HRCR which also had "Vintage" and Rear Motor classes for 2wd. I hope that things keep building and maybe eventually we can have a Vintage 4wd buggy class...
If there's enough of a scene for Vintage , I can see where making date cutoffs could end up working out, so you can kinda recreate some of the period correct iconic battles of the first couple decades if RC racing, but for now the track I help with is running a fun Vintage/Retro 2wd class, to help try to build the scene.... we are leaving it really open, so older cars and trucks, as well as ReRe kits and even modern kits, which are rear motor and 2wd... including things like BBX, Dirt Master, PR Racing RM buggy(they sent us one to raffle!) ... whatever we can do to have extra fun and maybe spark something to build the scene I think is great.
Look forward to seeing what you build next, and good luck finding a great van to add to your RC adventures.
There is racing on the rc10t in England but I hope it will come more popular, over here in Northern Ireland we have just got a grass track for 1/10 buggy’s but as you say weather has been very wet this year I’m hoping for us someone will open an indoor buggy track as we don’t have any over here unfortunately, you guys are very lucky you have tracks all over the place, thanks for sharing the video Gavin, I’m looking forward to your rc10b7, and before I forget if you haven’t started the build get the steering upgrade for the rc10b7 I done mine there and it’s a big difference and also put a metal arm on your servo too that’s a must leaves everything so smooth , big like as always mate
Time to build your shelf queen's 😅
I went and got an Associated RC10B6.4CC to build up.
The issue I have is unless it adds value to the channel content, spending money on a car just for me personally has to be extremely justified. I really want a Traxxas USR but it doesn’t really make sense over I would love one personally. Same for a 501x but I’m bickering as I really enjoyed the Durga.
Here in the states, maybe in the UK. A lot of the old radio systems are technically illegal in the eyes of the FCC (US) (for example wideband systems - silver sticker). Just run the cars and enjoy them, forget about 'can i win'. -U10
I think that Team Associated (Thunder Tiger) are shooting themselves in the foot, they really need to 'up their game' as it were. As for Tamiya, I do love them, and I like the look of the Hornet Evo, but like a lot of other people I hope they bring out something really special for their 50th anniversary, and not just another bleeding TT-02!! Vintage racing, what a subject to pick up on. I race a re-re Kyosho Ultima in the vintage class at my local off-road club, and to me that's OK, but I can also see the other side of the equation. There's no right or wrong answer, in the end it's personal opinion. And it's up to whatever club/track is running a 'vintage' event to decide what is and isn't allowed. As for a 'budget' off-road racer, I think the Schumacher Laydown (LD1) is a great choice, they can be picked up for reasonable money and spares are readily available. Plus they are really sturdy, I've driven a couple and they take a hell of a kicking. Just my two cents.....
ah, a RC Car of Theseus discussion! personally i think the main aspect is the geometry and layout. and for fairness maybe a differentiation between "mod" and "stock" in regards to hopups. i can imagine a yz10r will run circles around a box stock yz10.
The R certainly more advanced than a bone-stock YZ-10 from the mid ’90s but wouldn’t keep up with modern wheelers if we assume the drivers have equal skills.
4WD cars are a bit difficult to put into ”modern” and ”oldschool” categories because they went from rear motors to mid such a long time ago. Perhaps the biggest revolution in wheelers was the snowball that started with 3rd party prototyping, evolved into the AE B44 and the founding of Team Durango, and settled into the Xray XB4 about 10 years ago. Since then, others have made just their own variant of the Xray: AE, TLR, Yokomo, PR, and LC.
With 2WD buggies it’s easier: rear motor with a tub chassis is the oldschool way, like AE B4 and older.
Please ignore my prior message. Glad you landed an RC10T after all!
Yes I think they should grow there brand and also listen to their customers to make there RC cars more durable and update there kits
When they teased the RC10 DS I was pretty excited as I remembered them being on the shelf at my LHS (which I ended up working at in high school). However, when I saw they weren’t making the Mercedes Benz body available, I was out. That body is nearly impossible to come by. Also, the “Mustang” body the rere comes with is unlicensed and looks goofy.
I think the mustang body looks exactly like the trans-am mustang bodies, which looked goofy. Want a Stratos body for mine.
Thanks for the insight
Can you imagine if Tamiya is gearing up for a bunch more Evo releases for the 50th anniversary year? Sand Scorcher / SRB Evo, Frog Evo. Maybe even original Toyota Hilux Evo!!!
I would like to see hot bodies make a comeback to the top. I still am running a D413 🤠. Love the dang thing so much.
Great Thumbnail Picture 👍
TLR is Losi's racing division and has a separate website. Hence why there's no racing vehicles on the Losi website.
I didn’t know that. 👍🏻👍🏻
Hornet evo looks cool 😊 I hope Tamiya is developing some new buggies like the BBX 😊 Pete
I hope so too
I’ll put my house on the 959 for the 50th. Unfortunately it will be a new release. Porsche re released the actual car last year for collectors. Unfortunately it will all be new decals and slight body change
I predict we're gonna see more Evo models from Tamiya. A Lunchbox Evo would be cool!
I wonder if you can use the Evo arms on the Lunchbox 🤔
There are really 3 groups vintage , classic , re re
Did you see the 959 kit of limited production from. Need a bigger shed
They sold out immediately
May be Tamiya will REre the hi lux original
Same box art and everything or even the Cheetah for 50th 😊
It's a difficult one with vintage racing, I certainly think rere models should be allowed as sourcing parts for vintage buggies can get very costly.
Maybe there should be a higher limit on the brushless motor systems though as some of them are so quick you might as well be running a modern buggy, then perhaps if you wanted to use a period brushed system you wouldn't be at such a disadvantage.
I kind of like what they do with the vintage bash in Australia where it seems to be more about getting them off of people shelves and seeing them running than about winning the races, more relaxed and just about having a good time than being competitive.
On the topic of the Schumacher Bosscat, do you think it's worth picking up a procat kit while they are still available incase they go out of production soon? Or is it better to perhaps wait for the Bosscat to be released later in the year?
There seems to be a lot of UK enthusiasm for Tamiya RC and UK RC content creators that enjoy Tamiya products. The US has a Tamiya Championship Series supported by Tamiya USA. Does the UK have that series as well? I'd think if there was, the content creators would participate and/or cover the races, but I've not seen it.
Tamiya has a strong presence in Germany with Carson. The videos I see from their races look like a lot of people showing up and having fun. It’s all in German, though, so might be difficult to run into if you don’t know the language.
Again putting my Swiss precision hat 😅, but 50 years of Tamiya RC are either this year (56001 Tank M4 Sherman in late 74) or in 2026 (58001 Porsche 934 in late 76) not in 2025 😉 I'm tempted by the RC10DS 😇
Correct! Everyone also forgets that the Sherman was also Tamiya’s first RC re-release! This was before the XR 311.
Carpet and Astro are where it’s at 👍👍👍
I feel you on all those added cost ordering from the U.S. don't feel alone though. Even over here we usually pay way over msrp. There's right at 10% sales tax added to everything here for most of us. I'll be honest, i don't even understand it. Sometimes i pay $50-100 tax on trucks i order and there's times like last week i ordered the new Redcat Valkarie and only paid the $299 list price. I think it depends on the state it's ordered from and or state you live in. U.S tax law is purposefully incomprehensible. You pay tax on income you earn and sales tax when you spend it. Huge racket for govt.
I’m interested to see what the Kyosho Laser SV Dirtcross that’s coming next month will be like. It’s clearly a budget friendly model - but interesting in its retro vibe. Could be good.
You are 100% wright Gavin, Tamiya should start to listen to there buyers and collectors; like a release of the Dynostorm or the TR-15T or even an Electric version of the TR-15T or a release of the early LEMANS type cars like they did at Kyosho, but a release of the Hornet; there are more interesting kits out there and Tamiya is always behind....
American brands are steering away from distributors and towards direct sales due to ever diminishing margins. Trek and Canyon are doing the same in the bicycle industry as they squeeze their product lines due to decreased company overheads, while still remaining "competitive". It's a tough market out there, especially in niche markets like RC.
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I would like to see Tamiya bring back The Jaggernaut monter trucks. Is there a class for racing vontage trucks?
Tamiya 50th halo model will be a Porsche 934 (again) but this time with gold anodised parts😉😂
counterpoint: those stickers don't look like a 'woody' treatment at all
they also look great heh.
If you like it, well that’s all that matters 👍🏻
I can dream on then. I still think a Hornet Evo vs an Associated B7 (as a future vid) is a far more entertaining comparison than TRICKBITS YZ10R vs PR Racing SB40...
I’m not sure I agree with you on that one my friend. It would be like comparing walking with driving a car to see who can travel the furthest the quickest.
@@RCKickschannel Well, yes an no. I think what I'm saying is as a fan of RC old and new I'd enjoy seeing you wrestle with the hornet, getting a half decent lap time with it would be a nightmare against all the dialed in modern buggies at your club. The Hornet was a car I used to salivate over as a kid having no idea how woeful it really is (even this newer version will be terrible). I think it would be a high click video. I can see the title "I took a Tamiya Hornet racing against modern buggies...you won't believe the results" and a video thumbnail of you looking pained with your hand on your forehead. Ok it's a bit click-baity but all your competitors do it....Either way Gav, I'm a big fan of your channel.
@@russlondonOK I will do it lol 👍🏻
@@RCKickschannel Haha fantastic! Looking forward to it Gav! 😂
19:28 Team Associated will be selling the YZ10. It is available for pre-order on Amain for $470. I don't know why this agreement/arrangement was made between AE and Yokomo.
The AE/Yokomo YZ-10 is a YZ-870C with a different body and some other small changes. They had good ties in the past with team drivers using AE 2WD and Yokomo 4WD buggies since AE didn’t make a wheeler and Yokomo didn’t make a 2WD buggy.
Gavin is talking about the later models from the ’90s that Yokomo designated the YZ-10.
I have a Dogfighter 834B on order at my LHS. It'll make a interesting stable mate to my 870C.
You shouldn't compare the US tax free price, as in nearly every state US customers will be paying additional tax on that price. Their taxes are much lower than the UK 20% VAT of course. Associated would also lose money if they discount to the wholesaler, who will then add their own markup... if they didn't, everyone would still just buy direct to cut out that middleman.
So you are are saying having distributer and resellers doesn’t work?
@@RCKickschannel yeah, that seems to be exactly the line they are taking. I guess the market is small enough that the volume just doesn't justify it.
Gav your still missing the point of the Hornet Evo, it's the 40th anniversary of the Hornet.
Instead of just doing a different colour body they have completely changed it, I think that makes it the most special kit this year, especially as they have kept the original chassis and body.
I wonder if we will see the 40th on the box 🤔
@@RCKickschannel would be cool if they did, but from my knowledge Anniversary label editions from Tamiya tend to be for the company only like the Black chrome Hornet which was Tamiya 40th anniversary edition.
Would be great too run full period vintage but there’s just not enough parts around too do it, and a lot have been hoarded by collectors pushing up the price. A mix of rere and modern parts is keeping vintage racing alive and accessible.
I was very interested in the YZ 834b because it is so different and a little quirky... then I saw the price... WTF?!?!?
Just waiting for my Durga to turn vintage 😂
Few more years lol
I just did a quick search on eBay and there seem to be a few RC10T available for USD 379.99 excl. shipping (USD 60) from the US and Canada. That is excl. import taxes but Seems sort of reasonable. I hope you can manage to take some leave.
Horizon hobbies sponsor a Nascar team. Imagine how much that costs. It would be staggering. But no cash for losi rere.
Rereleases make possible to run vintage races for everyone.
Exactly! And I don’t think it’s unfair at all since the more race-worthy option costs less than the actually old vehicle.
I haven’t seen a single collector complain about being able to preserve their valuable restauration projects and race a rerelease without a constant worry holding them back.
Being as the Yokomo YZ 834 is more similar to a V1 Tamiya Hotshot than the YZ10/870C it should have been a lot less expensive but unfortunately it’s about the same price as the 870C. It’s mostly plastic so it should have been priced accordingly
Losi understand that rere is dull and a flash in the pan 👍😂
Ehhehehe
Simple. Rere is vintage. After all performance is hardly affected. Moses electronics should be allowed and motors should be specified to run.
If you have a vintage with weak parts, exchange for rere for the race only and revert back for originality if required.
If you race authentic vintage cars and parts, you'd be expecting a lot of maintenance and soon parts used will be current re-release and reproduction copies. So really having a vintage race should include reres. Otherwise, it is just not sustainable, parts will be harder to get.
There are many, many US (and probably UK) companies that hire people for who they are, not their competence level. It's destructive.
Maybe they could have Vintage Racing, but then have Vintage-Style Racing for the modern vintage cars.
Just because someone isn't shipping to england it doesn't mean that they aren't shipping at all.
This can’t be true! 😜
I’d love a tamiya Agrios, I know they’re on eBay overseas for a hefty price, but nowhere local (USA)
What is the most popular rc brand in UK? Hobby shops here in Cali rarely carry Team Associated kits and parts.
Depends what it’s for. Bashing Arrma and Traxxas, racing Schumacher and Team Associated. Kit building Tamiya and Kyosho has grown over the last few years. Budget stuff is FTX, MJX and WLToys to name a few
50k by xmas? -U10
No chance
@@RCKickschannel not with that attitude. Double down and go get it. Use your influence to get Kyosho to put the big brute out. It’ll be lock. -U10
I have it on good authority that the RC10T have been shipped via sea and not by air like everywhere else in the world .
ETA RC10T UK.........mid August
Fingers crossed as I know so many people want it
Don't miss the Team Associated yz-10 being released!
It was six months ago under Yokomo 870c. Granted the body is different and the rims are now white but it’s the same car.
@@RCKickschannel The profile looks different. Take a peek at Team Associated's website.
@@RCKickschannel I just assumed, being a collector of sorts, you would still want a piece of the action. As well as spreading the word to your viewers.
@@MrSneakyGunzIt’s too close to the 870c I built on the show, so I will put the money into something else. Can’t get everything unfortunately lol
Are 1:1 gearheads going to throw out every repro AC cobra? Nope. -U10
Vintage to me is about the design of the cars, not whether or not they're a reproduction. If they're still using the same 20+ year old design philosophy I'm all for it. Personally I feel that making too many rules ruins the sport. Vintage racing should be fun, not an overly complex battleground.
Sorry to say that but a store in London would be a very bad strategy.
If tamiya want to set foot in Europe they need to place their store in the Shengen zone.
Lock the european customers base behind imports and custom fee would be a really bad idea
Can you explain that a little more? 👍🏻
@@RCKickschannel targeting the European market by placing a storefront outside the shengen zone is suicidal. 30 countries worth of customer forced to pay import fees. really a bad commercial move.
The UK is a big enough market to justify a special store. Especially when it comes to RC, the scene seems very much alive over there.
Sure if you are looking for the EU market then a store outside the EU would not make sense.
Tamiya already have official manufacturer’s shops on mainland Europe. They are called Tamiya Carson.
I was excited for the Hornet Evo but at that price point? Don’t see it myself. You can buy a Top Force for the same price, if not cheaper.
At least the Super Hornet had some nice big wheels & looked mean, but the upgrades on the Evo at that price point doesn’t seem worth it. Just like the VQS, the price seems high compared to other Tamiya cars out there. Disappointing
Rere are vintage, the engineering and ergonomics are the biggest ! Then comes electrics & batteries!?
I ordered a yz10 and a rc10ds last week. With $48 usd to ship via fedex to Canada. I got the notification last night that delivery is tomorrow. $160 CAD tax and processing fee. I don't know of that is the tax for both kits yet. The box is 12x12x24 so i think it is just the one kit. If I i get hit for tax twice because its a split shippment but valued as full for each I am going to be pissed.
so the package came and it was both. I got my YZ-10 a month early and the rc10ds at the same time.
I’ve been waiting for new Tamiya trf buggy for almost a decade:/
It would be cool to see a TRF race buggy and the timing would be good, it’s just the competition is extremely strong so it would need to be the best Tamiya can do to stand a chance.
@@RCKickschannelwell they can also copy Mugen as they did with trf 421 :p
They could copy the Xray wheeler like almost everyone else did: AE, TLR, Yokomo, LC, PR…
For the van I’ve heard the diesel versions of the Ford Transit are pretty reliable. Does FedEx or others do fleet sales?
Yep but bonkers high mileage
Those old diesel engines are hard to kill. You can have half a million kilometers (~ 300k miles) on the odometer and the engine itself still serviceable. It’s more a question of whether everything else is falling apart.
AE did this to themselves. Even here in the states, parts support their older kits has been non-existent. Hopefully this will change.
a van i GB imideatly thinking fort trasit.
you want good alround RC cars , then spend money on something like HoBao's best 8th scale models , like their Hyper VS2-E buggy , Hyper VT-E road car , Hyper GT rally car , Hyper SST-E truggy , and the new upcoming 10th scale Hyper TT-2.0 truggy 🤔 .
I had a Hyper VS 1/8th on the show a good few years ago and for the money it was epic
Car tax, petrol maintenance cost are tax deductible so better to spend on yourself and the channel than give to HMRC.
This is 100% true but you still need to make the money first
Yeah 20 years isn't vintage IMHO and it seems the google agrees. - The word vintage literally means "of age." With such an open meaning, there are many interpretations. Most antique dealers consider an item to be vintage if it is at least 40 years old. A bit like when people claim to be a VET after serving just 5 years, makes it/them sound better.
It also depends on the maturity of the technology. What is considered vintage is basically an agreement among the people into that stuff.
Clothes and furniture, for example, may go out of fashion and age in that sense but it takes easily half a century for them to become vintage.
In my view, vintage is the actual stuff from back then but rere, retro, or old-school can be new production of old designs or style.
I don’t have a specific year in mind for RC cars but rather the design: rear motor 2WD buggies belong in the vintage category and mid-motors are modern vehicles.
I tamiya dont make a Brabham BT 44b?🤔is a Amazing F1🙂😋
Yokomo should release the YZ-10 94-95 and then go on from those
100%!
I wish they did.
My first race-grade kit that I got to assemble was a ’94 YZ-10. Over the decades, I have bought and sold all kinds of stuff and never looked back after getting rid of it but selling the Yokomo was a mistake.
Someone said Yokomo would not rere the mid-90s kits because they would be too expensive but I don’t see what’s so special about them compared to any other rerelease or current offering.
If tamyia Open One store in europe not in Uk is Simple is beacuse .the famous brexit 😕
Hey Gavin I know Tamiya read this because they like my cookies because they're sweet so if it was me why don't they do horror cars since Japanese are into horror and if they decided they want to maybe I'll get some kind of consolation out of it my second opinion would be for them to drop new little racers like the Losi micro-t and something that they could keep up with the kyosho mini z my other favorite kind of car is the comical cars I like comical cars because it's your idea like when they had the panda and then they had the different ones maybe they can do like a octopus one or something there's something fun how about a boat give me more videos of Corbin don't buy a van rent a van if you do buy a van at least you can keep it for your family why don't you make one of those dogs like dumb and dumber van or you can get a wrap on it make a pink lunch box so what you should do is just rent it
TLR=They Left Racing...
Really? I didn’t know that
@@RCKickschannel i dont know i just making fun of tlr as they seems to still got the problem of spare parts for the race buggys and no new kits come out while Xray and AE got multiple kits since tlr 22 5.0 elite kit came out.
some people who work for these companies need sacking id be pumping out all the vintage classics what people want not really rocket science
If your running vintage rc cars don't run lipo and brushless as they wasn't around in there time
No reason to run LiPo batteries. NiMh are cheap and everywhere and way better than they were back in the day.
1. Business is full of idiots in upper management. Nepotism doesn't explain most of them. 2. RC folks want what they want, and they want it now. They want it all, not understanding how much it costs to hire the people to develop the products, to produce the products, to store the products, to distribute the products, and to promote the products. But why understand, when one can complain? Complaining is more fun, and criticizing gives ignorant people a sense of superiority. 3. I dunno, maybe trade your healthcare system for cheaper imported goods. And export your jobs while running massive trade deficits like we do over here, where our toy cars are cheaper, and so many have big credit card debts so that they can have them ;)
Team Associated is not very good at properly distributing thier products, or providing part support for thier products
Seems TA are the Trump of the rc world. Very devisive and trying to keep it all in the USA 😂😂
Hehehe
Bruh, Traxxas would fit that analogy better. Associated is nowhere near as bad.
Personally , I won't touch RC'S of the likes of TEAM ASSOCIATED , TRAXXAS , TAMIYA and their likes with a barge pole , with their mostly crappy & overpriced manufacturerd RC'S and kits 🤣🤣🤣