How will the new Buffalo Bills offense without Stefon Diggs impact the performance of Josh Allen?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ย. 2024
- In case you haven’t heard, the Buffalo Bills moved on from Stefon Diggs and are taking a new approach at the wide receiver position. How will that decision impact the performance of Josh Allen? On today’s episode, Host Joe Marino offers insight on those dynamics in addition to a host of Herd Mentality items. The show is focused on the Buffalo Bills, Sean McDermott, Brandon Beane, Joe Brady, Josh Allen, Stefon Diggs, Keon Coleman, Tee Higgins, Curtis Samuel, Tim Settle, Jordan Phillips, Ed Oliver, Daquan Jones, Deshawn Williams, Dewayne Carter, Austin Johnson, Cole Bishop, Mike Edwards, Taylor Rapp, Damar Hamlin, Jordan Poyer, Micah Hyde, Tyler Bass, Edefuan Ulofoshio, Chase Claypool, James Cook, Dalton Kincaid and more!
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Coffee with Joe!!!!! “New segment title” thanks Joe love the timing of your podcast drops!
1. Josh Allen (43)
2. Dexter Lawrence (21.875)
3. George Kittle (15)
4. Chevarious Ward (13.5)
5. David Andrews (6)
That gets me in slightly below 100M. Would've liked an edge but didn't work with values. Ward is a top 5ish corner and is 11th in contract average. Lawrence is a top 2 or 3 DT and is 9th. Going tight end gave me the best bang for my buck as far as a pass catcher. Almost went with your OT selection but went with a top 6-8 center instead.
Diggs and Davis disappeared far too often in the clutch. Good Riddance- I feel WAY better with this lineup at WR.
Agree 1000% … Davis had a bad case of drops and that wasnt going to change … and is only good for 1 type of reception …
Diggs lacked ability to go deep
@@Vipaworld_Vitodiggs used to be that guy when it came to the deep ball that’s what sucks but definitely agree he doesn’t have that element to his game anymore
It's about to get worse.
Most of the "outsider" analysis is based on name recognition and rarely on data or film study, most of them would be super excited by a big name coming out of 5 years retirement rather than a third year progressing to a solid or above average player.
Lol good luck this year 😂😂😂😂😂😂
I see the same thing. Every year there are fans from other fan bases that always hope that this is the year the Bills drop off and go away.
Im glad I'm not the only one that doesn't like the Keon Coleman draft pick.
Company man aka delusional homer wr core is mid af imo
Hi Joe !! I'm confused, the new NFL season hasn't started yet ( or no games have been played) so Tyler Bass's first year of his new contract hasn't kicked in yet how can there be a $4 million cap charge if released if he's not even playing on the first year of his new contract ?
When teams double teamed and triple teamed Diggs it of course, helped the Bills' other receivers.
Smartest person here 🤷🏾♂️
Bullshit....lies!!!
There are a handful of teams that have a true franchise QB. Now when I'm talking franchise I'm not talking starting QB, every team has one of those. I'm talking a QB who is the offense and who can function at an elite level with anyone because he's just the best player on the field when he's on the field. I'm talking both sides of the ball. So who are these players right now, Mahomes that goes without saying, Allen he's a beast and when he's in beast mode he's a load, Burrow he's a surgeon and can carve up a defense, his health is a bit concerning lastly is Herbert, physically he's just behind Allen in size and arm strength. That's about it in the AFC.
I think the bullet point should probably be "Bass on the hook". (Nice double entendre there). In other words, time to figure it out.
I wonder if tyler bass is having mental problems because the animal's are not getting along at his newly founded cat sanctuary? For a cat person,(bass) this can be very traumatic as millions of single middle aged woman know
Interesting about Coleman, since all accounts say Josh Allen wanted him.
Less turnovers. More TDs.
I'll say 47 Total TD (41 Air, 6 Ground)
9INT, 2FMB 0 Lost.
I keep seeing a line up with Keon and 1 of 3 other receivers Claypool, MVS, and the bare foot guy, with Knox and Kincaid and either cook or the rook, and then switching up to hamlir and Samuel and mvs in a spread, plus the larger size of the oline
Should have picked Josh Allen. That’s messed up man.
I totally disagree that Allen has not done well with a coleman/higgins type. Who has he ever had? Are we really looking at Kelvin Benjamin and Duke Johnson and say that he can't succeed with that type?
Also saying he's not an anticipating type. Remember the TD to q Morris against the dolphins? Just one of many of an example of allen throwing before the receiver even turns putting the ball between 2 defenders. I think Allen often looks for guys to flash open because he can rip the ball there so fast but I've seen him make plenty of amazing anticipation throws. I think keon will thrive with him
u mention Diggs and his horrible #’s in the latter part of year and playoffs…lots of inefficiency …. But yet u like his separation style … but the inefficiency was still there… any good separation able WR will make any QB shine …. It’s the QB ability to throw to the anticipated style WR that is the game changer… Davis dropped too many … which created Allen to lose faith in Davis…and thus less opportunity and lower production.
All the drops last year … without them, imagine the #’s Allen would have had
If that is your take on the WR corps then it seems that Curtis Samuel will become Josh's favorite.
The main reasons why the bills didn’t make the Super Bowl was due to the players that are now gone … they didn’t perform at the higher level when needed … they are Davis, Diggs, Poyer, Hyde , white … the team is dramatically better ..
Unknown … will Allen be smart enough to be able to pick the right receiver rather than force feed … is he smart like Mahomes. …this is an unknown …
I believe long term, the Bills will be better at WR. There could be some short term growing pains especially early in the season. Bills may rely on the run game a little more than usual while they work out the kinks. I'm glad they let Davis walk in free agency. I was concerned they'd re-sign him because Beane was always so positive about Davis.
My my cousin and I quote your intro all the time to each other. We have a great time with it and I'm not sure I'd be able to remember a new one. All jokes aside, never change Joe and thanks for all your hard work making sense of our beloved Buffalo Bills!
Buffalo is a small market team. NFL will never allow Buffalo to win a super bowl.
A suggestion to improve your presentation, though minor. It's great that you have the topics to be discussed in the upper right, but if you could also then highlight the one you're talking about by a color change or making it bigger would be nice.
This feels like a transitional year for the Bills but a transition that needed to happen, especially with the secondary
I think you're right people never do research a.keon Coleman has a great drop rate and he can move b.i know how you feel about cook but I think he will get better we will show people
Joe, you do a great job keeping us informed. I believe this is the best Bills roster since the Superbowl days and I expect the Bills will surprise the entire league on how good they will be this year.
Oh yea youll be on suicide watch seasons end lol
I think when josh scrambled, his #1 target was davis...diggs, probably 2nd, but I see coleman as his #1 guy on the scramble this year!
They are prolonging their superbowl window and getting sustainable seasons get you in playoffs and from their it's a crap shoot for.any team and luck.
I'm excited for this change and I think it was the right time to move on from the vets, but the worse thing that can happen is that they don't make the playoffs, NOT that they don't win the Súper Bowl Joe 🙄. And even that is not the end of the world considering it's a soft reset year. If that happens they would have a high pick in the draft plus healthy cap space.
Remember when the bills w.r. core was called "the smurfs" the bills were fine & THEY WILL BE FINE NOW! DIGGS WAS A CANCER....I'M HAPPY HE IS GONE!
I know it’s not a fair comparison but I was watching Andre reed highlights and kept thinking of shakir. Play style is similar
I love the fact you have a bottle of Buffalo Trace on your back shelve.
I’m impressed that you can tell it’s Buffalo trace
Smh, I'm taking Josh.. Give Josh Andy Reid ..
The reason why fans around the league think our offense is done is that they still think Diggs is a top 5 WR and Gabe is a great WR2 that can step up and be a #1 like they saw in the Playoffs two years ago. None of those two are true tho. Gabe is closer to a WR4 than he is a WR2 for a contender and Diggs isn’t as good as he was the first three years with us. So the drop in talent isn’t as significant as others assume.
patriots did not win a super bowl with a #1 in Moss. They won multiple super bowls with really good receivers
I'm down with a new direction. But to think the doubters of the plan are jaded when we have been handed some of the worst losses in the history of professional sports is beyond insane.
I think the bills went as far as they could have the previous roster not getting out the 2nd round for 2 years the goal is to win the SB and that group didn't they started to get injured especially in the secondary which is the strength of the team and diggs i think teams watch film and figure out his routes where's he's going and cb's was beating him to his spots and he didn't adjust
I am no Diggs defender, but teams saw his success in the first half of the season and just doubled him on every play. His decline was as much about teams adjusting to him as it was him underperforming.
Have a ❓ then ask A ❓, but these folks with 9 additional ❓ within what is framed as a primary ❓ is simply annoying.
And in addition to the nine component ❓ they weave in their clever by half analytical commentary along the way.
Is it paranoia they will NEVER have another opportunity to pose A ❓
I would avoid reading out loud, your annunciation of Tommy’s question reminded me of having to read in class when the teacher called on that kid that everyone knew was going to stutter a mispronounce everything. I like your show though never heard of it till yesterday but I am a lifetime bills fan
This guy is giving you something interesting to listen to daily when there’s nothing going on in the sports world and that’s what you have for him? Watch more of his content, he reads just fine. Be more polite
Listen here i don't listen to this daily in fact i didnt know about it until earlier this week. I dont find it impolite to point out that his oration of that question was an assault on my ears. Quit being so soft criticism makes us better at what we do
JA17 is Top 3, and he ain't #2 or #3. Sorry. Unliked for that. JA17 can do everything Macrybaby can do and then some, he does it without crying, and he does it on worse teams with worse coaching. Every argument to the contrary is based on team stats.
There's one thing he can't do he can't win the Super Bowl Mahomes has no problem doing that.
Joe, you are absolutely right about Diggs' production, it dropped off a cliff after London. A lot of analysts are pointing at this production and then pointing at Shakir's production in that same time and saying the things you are saying. But Shakir had all that production WITH DIGGS ON THE FIELD! James Cook got all those yards WITH DIGGS ON THE FIELD. Yes, he might have had poor production but he was still drawing double coverage and defenses continued to work to neutralize him. And they did, while Shakir and Cook produced. I'm really not sure we are going to see these players produce the same way with Diggs gone. What is Shakir going to look like when HE is getting double coverage? What is Cook going to do when he is facing Safties who aren't adjusting their alignment to play over a specific receiver. Thinking that those who produced when Diggs was there will still produce when he's gone is like thinking Isaiah Mackenzie's high production in limited snaps could scale up with volume, which it did not. Who on oour offense is going to command a defense's attention and resources putting other players in a position to eat? I don't see anyone unless Coleman hits his full potential quickly. We traded away a top 5 receiver and that production is not likely to come back "in the aggregate" as people are so fond of saying. My only realistic hope for us putting together a top 5 offense is if our running game picks up this slack, and if teams are having to play run-first against us.
You are absolutely right about the Diggs effect while he is on the field. Yes we did trade a top 5 receiver that would have had a net additional cost of only $3 Million Dollars. Just imagine any of the other 31 teams saying no to having Diggs on the team for a cost of 3M . Zero teams would say no. I guess we have to trust the process.
I think it was probably the right call, and Texans also did something with his contract that you would think 31 teams would never do. You have to wonder just how bad things were for Beane to cut him loose before he even played a snap on that huge extension. But then there is that consistency with the Texans basically converting him to a one year deal when they could have had him for longer for $0. This tells me the league thinks he’s some combination of toxic and washed. Texans seem pretty sure he’s on the decline and think the only way to get him to produce is to put him on a one year deal. If they’re right and he produces he’s still not going to get real paid ever again. He’s over 30 and clearly an issue to have around.
You're acting like Knox and Wincaid don't exist.
@@liamengram6326 Right because they both caught over 100 passes for over 1000 yards in each of the last 4 seasons, and are widely acknowledged as a top 10 receiver or better in each of those last 4 seasons so that defenses build their schemes around them. How silly of me. I can't believe I acted like they didn't exist.
@@jdub1671 If you're referencing Diggs he had his best years with Allen...because of Allen. I'd bet money he doesn't eclipse 1,000 yards this season.
mahomes is the most propped up player in the history of sports.
Diggs sucked bad in second half of season and was terrible vs the chiefs in playoffs.
So weird right? He was on pace for 1700 yards the first six games then bam, he sucks out of nowhere. It’s almost as if nothing caused it. 😂 Bills fans are funny.
@@brikwal9your one of those dumb human beings huh. No common sense at all. Shakir outperformed him on 60 less targets. Enough said. Dont come on this bills page talking smack. it works both ways. Im off today i have nothing better to do than troll you right back.
@@brikwal9What are you even talking about, kid? You’re an internet nobody with zero insight into the team - so what the hell would you know? His burst off the line got stuck in the mud. Check out some numbers instead of some vibes, kid.
@@brikwal9 yeah forcing him the ball when u doubled cover yeah ok
Ya the scheme that targeted Diggs more “the Dorsey” wasn’t resulting in wins, I agree that Diggs has several good years left in the tank but he needed a new spot where the offense could be focused around him again and still work. Houston may not be that spot though considering the younger talent
It is so funny that Bills fans are totally discounting losing Diggs. He still had over 1k in yards and like 10 TDs. You do realize number 1 corners were still covering Diggs and now they can cover who? A bunch of 3s and 4s? LOL Allen is good but lol quit shooting rainbows up yalls butt's 😂
He was a volume based WR1 the past two years and played objectively like shit over the last 10 games of 2023 and in the playoffs. Anybody is going to put up solid counting stats when they get 160+ targets from the 2nd best QB in the league. 1100 yards and 8 TDs is mediocre for that amount of catches and targets. He wasn't drawing double teams down the stretch. He got 9+ targets a game over the final 8 or so games and was out produced by both Kincaid and Shakir on less than half those targets over that span. They went 7-1 in that stretch. Diggs also hasn't done shit in the playoffs since 2020. Good riddance.
Believe me, JA17 won't acknowledge this, but Diggs had become a pain in the butt. Not one of these receivers is going to cry about not getting the ball. Josh felt pressured to throw it to Diggs because otherwise he'd have sideline fits. Josh is free of Drama Diggs!
@@franbacon82 honestly I think that's been like 60% of his seemingly bone headed INTs the past couple years. Diggs also has become absolute garbage on contested catches, so it's been a perfect storm of placating his ego to the detriment of the scheme overall. Then Brady still gave him plenty of targets, but changed the overall focus of the offense to run heavy and spreading the ball around more and the team won in spite of his consistently terrible performances over that stretch. He was top 10 in targets over that span and was somewhere around 50th in production. Good riddance.
@@peterwilson4865 he was still receiving bracket coverage and was mostly the reason everyone else was open. Hes an elite WR that Buffalo hadn’t had in years. He received alot of targets because he was far and away the best skill player on that offense by leaps and bounds. He was also open alot and Josh missed him or was off target. Josh was trash before he got there and will go back to being trash after. Only reason Diggs numbers were better was because of double teams and bracket coverage. That offense is gonna be in for a rude awakening and there’s already reports they’ve haven’t looked good in workouts.
@@brikwal9 garbage take there bro. Numbers don't support your claims. Yeah he was the focal point of the offense, but it was often to their hindrance in 2023. He wasn't a 3 level threat anymore. He had a 13% drop rate and was horrible on deep throws and contested catches. 74 QBR targeting him over that span. Diggs wasn't even a top 30 WR in his career before getting to Buffalo. Then he went to top 2-5 for 3 years straight and fell off physically/quiet quit on the team in 2023. He wasn't even top 40 over the last 10+ games. Allen made him elite and he was the first remotely legit WR1 Allen has had over his entire career. Allen put in the work with Jordan Palmer on refining his mechanics. He was already really good in 2019 with a below average supporting cast and bad OL. All QBs need at least 1 legit WR1/TE1 to have any real chance to win a bunch of games every year. Quit trying to hate on Allen by just straight up lying. He's easily 2nd best in the league since 2020 and was top 10-12 the year before that. It's called development.
lol this guys reason for Stefons’s numbers dropping after week 7 is hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂😂. Players just magically drop in stats out of thin air mid season. Lol one day you guys will do a deep dive into why.
Dont have to go that deep. If i have a guy outperforming you on 60 less targets then why the hell would i keep throwing you the ball. Kincade was developing shakir was balling and we had a pretty good run game going. So yeah efficiency is important at that point and diggs was not efficient. Who cares the reason. The results are more important. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 all those in the world dont disguise the fact your a 🤡. 🧌.
People are going to see, and quickly remember, how bad Allen is without a star WR to carry him. His completion percentage before diggs was abysmal. Allen isn't a top 10 QB, and this season is going to clearly illustrate that.
dude whatever have u seen mahomes without kelse? have you seen burrow without his 3 recievers. all qb have they guy . so its easy for you to admit allen gonna be trash than it is that diggs was shit towards the end of the year. dont talk about the playoff because diggs was shit in them games
Look i know its easy to feel jelous when the bills are crushing your team year after year, but your argument cannot be backed by stats, Allen is a top 3 qb, and no amount of crybaby lying is going to change it
@@DeepThinker-gc8nz people honestly think diggs was the main reason for bills being relevant last couple of years 🤣😂😂😂😂😂
@@DeepThinker-gc8nz last I checked, my chiefs own your poverty franchise. Enjoy those 0 rings though bro
Bills have beat the chiefs once a year several years in a row, the truth is the margins are very close. I think the reality right now is your scared of how your going to feel when the Bills out perform the chiefs again and you will no choice but to acknowledge that Allen is Mahomes equal
Bro can you please change up the intro?!? Same words in the same radio voice every video has a very 80s feel to it 😂😂😂😂
he can’t lol. locked on chooses the music
You're not alone. I skip ahead cause I can't stand to hear him say the same thing in the same tone, but I appreciate the daily effort.
I love it lmao it’s consistent and at this point wouldnt feel the same without the classic Joe Marino intro
I love the 80s are u here for an intro or bills talk
@@jean-paulscott4243 it reminds me of Casey kasem from the 80s 😂😂😂
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