It's amazing, many Theropods rivaled or even surpassed modern elephants in weight, yet they were still dwarfed by many species of Sauropods. Between the Dinosaurs on land, Pterosaurs in the air, and the massive marine reptiles in the oceans the Mesozoic truly was a world of giants.
Giga vs Trex is a rivalry that predates even jp3, back to the 90s. Charcharodontosaurs were definitely a family of elites, so many make it to the megatheropods list. It’s only fitting one of them can rival the king of dinosaurs
Carcharodontosaurs on average are head and shoulders above tyrannosaurs and spinosaurs. I conducted a literature review for my Comparative Vertebrate Studies course (using only peer-reviewed sources, so they ran on the low side) that resulted in an average tyrannosaur mass of 2875 kg, a spinosaur average of 2804 kg, and a carcharodontosaur mass of 3434 kg.
@@TheVividen without a doubt as a family they were the alpha predators. Even when they had competitors, I’ll argue they almost always came out on top given their wide range and time they ruled
Carcharodontosaurs have the highest number of supergigantic members compared to the rest of the other theropod families. Acro, mapu, gig, carchar, tyranno all exceed 6 tonnes compared to tyrannosaurids where only a single member does so!
@@surgeonsergio6839 makes you wonder what kind of War-field Rex lived in for it to be such an anomaly in its family. Nature demanded more than greatness in that situation
Since a kid I remember T. rex constantly being dethroned as largest Mega Theropod but to know it’s now possibly bigger than previously thought Is awesome
It's funny how movies actually undersell how powerful and agile these predators were. Like Rexy from JP/JW is cool but think about how much scarier she'd be if you account for the fact that T.Rexes are relatively highly intelligent and have eyesight superior to a Hawks. All while being larger than an a full grown Elephant. Edit: Also. These are just the Megatheropods that were discovered. Looking at the size range of modern animals, it's likely that there were even bigger specimens out there. Either of already known predators or some unknown species altogether.
@@TheVividen Exactly! I see so many ppl on TikTok talk about how the movie monsters are "soooo much cooler" than irl animals and honestly I don't think that could be further from the truth. Looking at some injured fossil specimens, we see Rexes being capable of surviving even with most of their tail missing. Like that's not just a glass cannon animal, that's a BEAST. It took millions of years for nature to sculpt a monster like that and goddamn would it be beautiful to see one. Also it's like 100% certain the real dinosaurs weren't limited to movement based bs eyesight too.
Well, back in 1993 they didn´t knew as much as we know now about the Rex, actually Rexy was very much updated to the time, except for eyesight and movies do have to follow on continuity, so they can´t just make Rexy updated to modern times
@@antoniocenteno1483 Thanks for saying it and mentioning the continuity as well. JP1 was very accurate safe for its 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦 save for a handful but big issues like Dilophosaurus(All Speilberg), relying on Jack Horner- Utahraptors-sized raptors and naming them Velociraptor, and the aforementioned bad eye-sight for the T-rex.
Idk why but your video, everything about it, from the mic quality, pacing, humor and format has a real nostalgic feeling to it. Something that brings me back to an older time of TH-cam. Never change because you just earned a subscriber
I am surprised at how over time rex has only become more impressive as an animal. Not only is it the largest land predator ever, it had incredible eyesight. And it had an incredible sense of smell, and it's leg bones suggest it was surprisingly good at running for it's size.
dunkleosteus nerfed, megalodon nerfed, triceratops and ankylosaurus nerfed, spinosaurus… i don’t even know. And Trex being smart as ape, strongest biteforce ever, eyesight making eagles jealous, sense of smell equalling bears and running at about 15-25mph
@@darchandarchan7036the trike was a HUGE tank weight around 12 tons and this animal is the most dangerous herbivore that ever existed, the ankylosaurus was a HUGE armored tank weight around 8/9 tons but probably 11 tons.!!
Pretty awesome that Tyrannosaurus rex remains the largest theropod, and the largest predator to ever walk the Earth. It’s such an amazing success story.
Terrestrial predator yes Now for aquatic predators...... Yeah not even close even some modern marine predators dwarf the rex A K.A toothed whales( no orcas are not a toothed whale just a overgrown dolphin)
@@kristianschuff1723 Technically, orcas are toothed whales, since all dolphins are toothed whales. But yeah what I was saying is that rex is the biggest hunter to walk on land, which is pretty awesome :D
I've seen lions and tigers, I know how big they get. I've also seen elephants and the fact these megatheropods were much bigger than adult elephants blows my mind. If any of them were to come into our modern day, they would need to hunt adult elephants just to sustain themselves. After a bull African elephant, a T. rex or a Giga would be like "ok, is there more...?" Non-avian dinosaurs were insane...🤯
Theropods, pterosaurs, crocodiles, sauropods. These type of animals ended up dominating the mesozoic era. The ones that are currently living in the cenozoic era are crocodiles, and theropods(birds) and they are still diverse. The archosaur family were not dumb when it comes to survival.
Some of these estimates were surprisingly low. I always went with a 9,200kg average Tyrannosaurus. Seeing as Scotty could be 10,600kg to even 11,000kg and Sue being 9,900kg to 10,200kg. As Sue isn't exceptionally large compared to other specimens, I would think the average would only be a tonne off. My reasoning is bad but I saw that Sue was upscaled from 8,400kg to over 9.9 tonnes and Scotty was upscaled from 8,800kg to 10,600kg to 11 tonnes, I just assumed that all the other specimens should get a buff. I used Scotty, Sue, Stan, Trix, AMNH 5027 and the holotype specimen to find an average. I know my reason isn't very backed up, but I like to theorise about Tyrannosaurus, hence my name. Super interesting video!
I agree with you, a tyrannosaurus weighing 9-10 tons looks much better these days, his estimates for giganotosaurus are very high, I always see that giganotosaurus estimates are around 6,500 to 7,800 kg.
@@Cope_Paleontology They are too high, 8.4 Tons was the potential weight for the bigger Giga found of wich we only have the dental record, wereas 6.5-7.8 was the weight of the holotype specimen. Unless he is taking in the bone density studio for wich all theropods "got a boost" but then the Rex should be about 9 tons for the holotype whereas scotty pushed 10 tons. I learned that on this channell lol and now i´m confused.
All of these estimates were using the .97 median density from Larramendi et al. (2020). I didn't use the 2013 Hartman estimates because he redid them in 2020 and got much higher numbers for both Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus.
I'm glad you liked it! Statistically neither Sue nor Scotty would be considered "unusually large" since their masses didn't land more than two standard deviations away from the mean of Tyrannosaurus. I like your approach, too--it's always good to use multiple methods.
@@TheVividen yes, I understood that Sue and Scotty weren't exceptionally large, so the average can't be too many tonnes off their weight. I found an average using the low estimates of: Sue (9,700kg), Scotty (10,400kg), Stan (8,000kg), holotype (8,500kg), Trix (9,500kg), AMNH 5027 (8,300kg) To get an average of 9,067kg I then used conservative estimates: Sue (9,900kg), Scotty (10,600kg), Stan (8,700kg) holotype (9,000kg), Trix (9,800kg), AMNH 5027 (8,800kg) This gave an average of 9467kg Then the semi-high estimates: Sue (10,100kg), Scotty (10,800kg), Stan (8,800kg) holotype (9,100kg), Trix (10,000kg), AMNH 5027 (9,000kg) This gave an average of 9634kg Finally, I used the higer estimates for these specimens: Sue (10,200kg), Scotty (11,000kg), Stan (9,000kg) holotype (9,300kg), Trix (10,100kg), AMNH 5027 (9,100kg) This gave an enormous average of 9784kg. In conclusion I think an average Tyrannosaurus must be over 9000kg.
Interesting way to break things down. I think it's likely that T-Rex went through all of your stages as it grew. With the growing evidence that tyrannosaurs functioned in family groups (small packs, much like modern predatory raptors), the most likely biologically plausible explanation is that, upon attaining full size, T-rex acted less as the primary killer of game....and more to protect that game from smaller predators. The younger tyrants probably did most of the hunting, and then the whole family got to eat their fill, because the mature tyrant was there and nothing in the environment could possibly challenge it. Basically, they had "old man" strength and while they lost their speed....they earned their keep by being able to keep anyone from messing with the kills their younger children took. Then, eventually, a family group would meet up, swap kiddos, reproduce, the older tyrants would die (explaining why t-rex only spent a small amount of time as a full size adult), their kids would take over the two family groups, and rinse and repeat. Everything has to be viewed from the perspective of actual biology. T-Rex, as an adult, was so massively overbuilt that was slow. I would argue that's not because it was a scavenger....but because it had the family job of making sure nobody could move in on it's kids. basically, it's the oldest play in the book. F* about and find out.
That’s not too different from lions. Males usually defend the pride and hunting territory from other predators (especially hyenas), while the lionesses bring home the food. 😼
Looking at Reptiles today none of them seem to have any type of family units, they are loners that only get together during mating time and protect eggs or the young for a short time but will go back to being solitary animals and even prey on their own off spring once their short period of maturity instinct wears off, They will gather in groups not to work together out of any kind of family bonding but because they gather where the prey animals are and will tolerate others of their kind long as they keep their distance or not try to take their kill from them , when they eat on a carcass there is no social order its who ever is aggressive enough to take what they want first , the bigger ones will usually intimidate the younger ones away but are not above killing a smaller one of its kind and eating it if it gets in the way, That's how Crocodiles, Alligators and large lizards like Komodo dragons and Monitors are and also many mammal predators like Bears, Tigers, Wolverines, Which makes me think if a T Rex is a solitary animal as well and doesn't have a permanent family unit, i don't think they had the intelligence to have a pack mentality or complex social structure like wolves or lions
@@bluemouse5039 Except dinosaurs were archosaurs - and that's very different from other reptiles. The two surviving clades from that group are birds, and crocodilians (and, maybe, turtles, jury is still out on that). Those groups all have parental care. Some of them, particularly the ones that directly descend from the dinosaurs (birds) have numerous examples of parental care, family groups, high intelligence, mating for life, protection of young, the list goes on. Given the evidence we have of severely disabled therapods surviving months, or in some cases, years, it's pretty obvious these animals had some kind of social structure. Given that we see the same sort of thing in their direct descendants (birds), I'd say that, if they were not pack hunters, they were at least family hunters.
Whilst I knew most of why was on this list I never knew that Theri lived along side Dino. Very interesting that two of the largest therapods at the time had meathooks for hands
I kinda have the feeling that back then, Deinocheirus would’ve lived in swampy environments and Therizinosaurus would’ve lived in more inland forest environments, to explain how those two giant Herbivorous or Omnivorous theropods could coexist in the same general area in addition to Tarbosaurus which would’ve probably been more of a generalist which was more likely to adapt to all kinds of habitats within the Nemegt Formation.
I’m happy you at the end of the video pointed out the alternative that Giganotosaurus could be smaller than what the evidence shows us, in which, just like your conclusion, our evidence is very much our best guess. I see so many people say “Well, Giganotosaurus could be larger” but the opposite is very much equally as applicable. We don’t really have a quantifiable average for even Tyrannosaurus, let alone something like Giganotosaurus, so the room of improvement or lack of improvement arguments regarding size are statistically applicable all across the board of Theropod genre for “It could get larger” or “It could get smaller”, since these are just fossils. Our evidence is our best bet which we can claim.
That's completely correct. I ran a one-way ANOVA analysis of the average tyrannosaurid, carcharodontosaurid, and spinosaurid mass and got a p-value of .746, indicating that there was nowhere near enough evidence to suggest that the true average masses of any one of those clades was different from the others. We'd need far larger sample sizes for all three groups to confidently say that we have a statistically significant difference between them.
@@TheVividen The body mass differentials may prove in the long run, with more fossil findings, to be somewhat different plus or minus for Gig and Spino, but we have enough Rex fossils to know it won't vary much at all, plus or minus, with additional findings. And in determining the baddest therapod to ever live, it's not all about body size. One of the reasons Rex has, since its discovery, been considered the literal king of carnivorous dinosaurs is because of its teeth size and bite force. We don't need any more fossils of Gig or Spino to know that they are no match for Rex in destructive power in their jaws.
"By the way, would the Giganotosaurus go up,👆 against the late jurassic period herbivore,🥕 dinosaurs,🦕 such as the Apatosaurus, Diplodocus,🦕 Stegosaurus, and Kentrosaurus?"
@@Cosmo-Kramera rex would get torn to shreds by any carchadontosaur a powerful bit is nothing compared to the ability to sever arterys and flesh with little effort
I think the differences in growth patterns between Meraxes Gigas (and likely most large carcharodontosaurs) and tyrannosaurus is fascinating. Sue was around 27 or so when she died and she was an old tyrannosaurus and fully grown, Meraxes was estimated to have been in its early 50s, and still growing, still a skeletally immature adult.
That is exactly not what I am saying. Especially as Meraxes was sharing its envrioment with the larger Mapusaurus. What I am saying is that whilst tyrannosaurus is big and heavy the large carcharodontosaurs were comparatively ancient. Meraxes was nearly twice the age of the oldest tyrannosaurus specimens we have and not yet fully mature.
@@rileyernst9086 true the charcharcs and spinos were much older dinosaurs compared to tyrannosaurids. There is a very big gap and it has evolved a lot. By then the rest of them were already extinct
I'm sad that nobody talks about Tyrannotitan that much, despite literally having the name of the "Tyrant Titan" itself, that name is reserved for god like entities and Tyrannotitan deserved its title. its the best carcharodontosaurid right under the goat itself, Giganotosaurus
Love that the Megalosaurs family and Megaraptor family got some love. It is interesting that the Carcharodontosaur family dominates the list tho. Hope a truly giant Abelisaur gets discovered one day.
Spinosauridae (Germany) trying to convince the Charcarodontosaurids (Mexico) to fight against the Tyrannosaurids (America): *Yo dudes, the empire’s pretty chill, maybe you could like, join it or something.*
I'm in the process of cutting back on my subscriptions, so I'm very picky about any new subscriptions, but this channel looks like it'd be exactly the thing I like, especialy since you dropped an MTG refferenc ein the middle of a paleontology video.
Going back and time and seeing an adult T.rex in flesh. I don't think our brains would be able to process the sheer awe-inspiring sight of such an amazing giant predator.
T-Rex is supreme and all, but the fact that an adult equivalent class Titanosaur would have little to worry about says a lot about how titanic dinosaurs could get. Them sauropods could get up to like 15 Jerrys…
I think it was explained in Planet Dinosaur (2014) that some enviromental changes in the mid-cretaceus period results in the changes of the fauna, which cause the extinction of the Sauropods (u know, the long-neck giants like Argentinosaurus and Parralititan). And since Carcharodontosaurids preyed on those titans, as their meat supplies die out, so did they.
It's worth learning about the "Cenomanian-Turonian anoxic event" 94 million years ago Global average temperatures then were at least as high or higher than any other time in the Mesozoic
A little fun fact i p’ve thought about regarding giga and rex, was running. If you look at rexy and it’s barrel-shaped chest and giant, thick legs, it’s very clear it was a long and slow walker, that endurance hunted like early humans did, while giga is longer, leaner and skinnier, with beefier thighs for fast running to catch up to something four-legged. Just a lil nugget of info
Giga wouldnt need to run much either as their contemporary prey item wouldve mostly been the huge sauropods that roamed its habitat, its anything from the 6-7 tonnes rebbachisaurids like rayososaurus and limaysaurus to the huge titanosaurs like the 18 tonnes andesaurus and the 60+ tonnes unnamed large titanosaur that was recently discovered.
I love the book that you got some of the artwork for this video from. If you don’t already have it, you should get the book about sauropods from the same authors. It has some of the most beautiful depictions of sauropods I’ve ever seen. They’re unique, colorful, and like the theropod book, it has reconstructions of very lesser known or undiagnostic specimens. It would be awesome to see a video about mega sauropods too since their book has an exhaustive list of every sauropod with cited length and mass estimates. 30 or 35 tons (about the mass of a humpback whale) would be a good place to put the threshold and includes tons of unexpected giants besides just titanosaurs
Excellent channel, just encountered it. You have a range of qualities I appreciate in any given palaeomedia channel. To put it plain, you have the subtlety and the _genuine_ understanding of the terminology to present these videos. I subscribed. Respect, from one palaeontologist to another.
@@TheVividen You are most welcome. It's actually refreshing to see a channel which isn't just regurgitating recycled tropes and actually puts the effort in to not only reference things but also get the pronunciations spot on. I can just tell you know what you're talking about. I've long considered making videos and have ideas, but yeah. General Grievous says, subscribing to your channel: _This will make another fine addition to my collection_ [cough]
@@TheVividen Again, you are most welcome. If I compliment someone, it is sincere, because I reserve it for those who deserve it. I can imagine working on stuff with you and part of why I specifically referred to you having the subtlety to understand and expertly discuss and present things, is that you are 'already there'. In other words, I can tell you'd be a good colleague. Anyway, I'm really liking the attention to detail in your videos. The thing is, it's one of my weaker areas in palaeontology to keep up with the biggest and most current things being found. I rarely have that time to dedicate to that and it is nice to see it all summarised here. I know it sounds daft for someone with no videos, but I always keep it in mind who I'd like to work with on videos one day if possible. And like Darth Vader knowing the rebel base was on Hoth, I instantly knew you were just one of those channels at that kind of standard. Again, rich I know coming from someone with no content, but I do have a microphone and I'm working on things (writing)
@@ThePalaeontologist I'll be applying to doctorate programs soon for evolutionary biology, so maybe we'll see each other around! I'm happy to be of help. Let's dig up some dinos!
I think regardless of which comes out bigger, T. Rex or giga, the real question is how their weight distributed? Giga when you look at its skeletal structure is a leaner quicker hunter. It looks like it’s built to bleed its prey then finish it when it’s weak. T Rex looks to have been built for a marathon chase leading to a climactic showdown when its prey could no longer run away. It had exceptionally keen vision and smell, and it was obviously built to deal kill in one or two chomps. Even if Giga is found to be larger I think the answer to who would win a straight fight would still go to the T Rex most of the time. It’s built for head on conflict with animals in its weight class. Evidence points to Giga bleeding out large slow animals or catching smaller weaker prey. Both amazing in their own right, but only one gets to wear the belt lol
"By the way, would the Giganotosaurus go up,👆 against the late jurassic period herbivore,🌿 dinosaurs,🦕 such as, the Apatosaurus/Brontosaurus,Diplodocus,🦕 Stegosaurus and Kentrosaurus?"
"By the way, would the late Cretaceous period herbivore,🌿 dinosaurs,🦕 such as, the Triceratops, Iguanodon, Ankylosaurus, and Therizinosaurus, go up,👆 against the late Cretaceous period South american carnivorous,🥩 🌭 🍔 🥓 🐔 🐠 dinosaurs,🦖 such as the Giganotosaurus, and Carnotaurus?"
7:53 on another note other paleontologist and experts have estimated it to be either slightly smaller or slightly larger, it depends on who’s recon you use. But the higher end just barely scratch’s 8 tonnes, into destroyer class. And if I’m being completely honest given his track history it’s probably gonna change sometime this month😭 But still great video. Subscribed
the weights are completly of after the last papers of science, a Trex is now estimate between 10-13 tons and most of the others are also estimated heavier, also did they correct the size of most of them
I'd say I expected Tarbosaurus to be on this list, as it is generally estimated around 5 tonnes for the large 40-foot adult females. I remember when Mapusaurus was discovered in 2000 it was estimated at 50 feet in length, a figure that was later revised downwards to 41 feet but still extremely large.
there was a very early estimate of a dinosaur that was said to be a relative of Giga that was from Argetina estimated at 48-50 feet and that later was Mapusaurus but its size was revised down to 40-42 feet.
@@leaguenpaleontology23 intersting, its strange that this has never been brought up. If this shaft turns out to be true, then Mapusaurus may indeed be the King of The Monsters.
Top 5 largest European megatheropods now 1. French Megalosaurid- 6.3 tonnes 2. Megalosauridae indet- 5.5 tonnes 3. Torvosaurus gurneyi- 5.2 tonnes 4. Metriscanthosaurus indet- 4.2 tonnes 5. 5th one isn't a megatheropod
I really like this video because it gives a fair, average weight estimate for each dino, even though with a dino like spinosaurus it's difficult to estimate at this point and time since its body structure keeps changing. Personally I think its weight could range anywhere from 7.5 thousand kilos to potentially over 9000 kg. but artillery tier seems like a good strong place to be though maybe one day it'll join Destroyer Tier
@@rodrigopinto6676 Nope, sorry but that's incorrect, do bears only eat deer and berries? Do sharks only eat fish? If a carnivore finds prey it can hunt when it's hungry it'll hunt it
@8:42 Considering it's name means Giant Southern Lizard, I always pronounce it like Giant. Saying it like Giga just doesn't do it justice. Saying it like Giant really puts emphasis on the fact it was a true Giant.
@@rodrigopinto6676 well yes, i was just saying how its name came to be. It still is a giant, an animal measuring up to 43-45 ft in length is no joke. But its still not the true king. Rex will always be king.
@@rodrigopinto6676 and to say its outdated isn't entirely accurate. Scientists really have no idea. We have such few adult specimens compared to the tyrannosaurus rex. Its just an estimated average.
never really heard of the edmarka rex, that’s really cool, imagine a creature almost as long as the t. rex or like he said it rivaled it’s size just running at you, and from the looks of it, it seemed agile, thats actually insane to think about and cool at the same time
Honestly, after seeing their skeletons side to side it makes me think that current estimates are either being too generous with Giganotosaurus or too conservative with T Rex. Or maybe even both. Between them there doesn't seem to be a difference of just some hundreds of kilograms or just one ton 🤷♂️
Can we really stop and think about how useless we are compared to the largest reptiles of today and now scale that up to multiple tons, a head full of swords, and more than likely modern bird level intelligence
It’s cool that a modern day bull elephant day could still possibly hold its own against some of the smaller megatherapods. Although they’d probably be more inclined to run away and be an easy kill, considering they aren’t used to being hunted by anything even close to their size.
@@majungasaurusaaaa I doubt it. A large triceratops has the defences to actually protect itself against theropods like the forward facing horn and protective kneck frill. Only the large supertuskers would stand a chance against the big theropods.
Great video! Just wanna throw a bit of something you could possibly turn into a vid. Have you noticed that just about anywhere the spinosaurs have been found, there are also carcharadontosaurs living at the same time as them? Africa, you have carch and spino. South America you have oxalia, and irritator with Mapu, and the giga. I’m not sure of a carch has been found in the UK, but it would surprise me given that there are several spinosaurids there
@@giulialigabue3361 For many years now, Saskatchewan has been the proud home of the world's largest Tyrannosaurus rex. Nicknamed Scotty, this once huge animal used to roam the earth some 66 million years ago. Weighing an estimated 19,555 pounds, the equivalent of four pickup trucks, and measuring nearly 42 feet long.
I grew up reading about the giant theropods that lived in the Mesozoic and I like how they ramged from Tyrannosaurus that has the strongest bite of any animal to large clawed Therizinosaurus
Nice vid friend🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉. I think my tier list has reference from ur video Destroyer Tier 1. Tyrannosaurus Rex-12.4 m & 8804 kg 2. Tyrannosaurus Mcraeensis-12.1 m & 8602 kg 3. Giganotosaurus Carolinii-13.2 m & 8400 kg Artillery Tier 1. Mapusaurus Roseae-12.29 m & 7486 kg 2. Deinocheirus Mirificus-11.83 m & 7364 kg 3. Tyrannotitan Chubutensis-11.86 m & 7287 kg 4. Saurophaganax Maximus-12.24 m & 7163 kg Knight Tier 1. Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus-13.1 m & 7000 kg 2. Carcharodontosaurus Saharicus-12 m & 6900 kg 3. Acrocanthosaurus Atokensis-11.63 m & 6800 kg
I love the idea of every large carnivore vs trex, but the fact of the situation is trex could defeat all if it lands a bite on the neck /head of each of the rival carnivores
I’d say it’s bulk would be the biggest advantage over other carnivores, you’re not gonna land a perfect bite against a carnivore that is actively attacking you. That bull makes it an immovable wall, which gives it more opportunities to get that bite in
Comparing modern elephants to megatropod dinosaurs is impressive on both counts. On the one hand, megatropods include carnivorous dinosaurs that were larger and heavier than a current African Elephant, that is really terrifying, an African Elephant is already a huge beast in itself, luckily it is herbivorous, but imagine a more predatory animal bigger than him. On the other hand, we can see how a group of the largest current land animals could be capable of scaring away or defeating a megatropod such as T-rex or Giganotosaurus in a dangerous encounter, Elephants are intelligent, perhaps they would be afraid to see a predator something bigger than them but they know that together they can beat it, a normal adult Tyrannosaurus rex of about 8-9 tons would see a single African Elephant as a good prey, but a herd of them by no means, each of them weighs 6 tons and they are close to their height, the T-rex only outnumbers each one by 2-3 tons, if we have about 6-7 Elephants facing a Tyrannosaurus, the dinosaur would basically be far outclassed in strength, it's just It is a matter of thinking that a Triceratops (the most dangerous natural prey of the T-rex) counts almost as 2 current adult male African Elephants, if a T-rex encounters about 6 Elephants it is like it is facing 3 Triceratops, the best option of the apex predator would be to run away if you don't want to earn a beating.
How about the giant megeraptorid Maip Macrothorax, it lived in south america of the late late cretaceous after giganotosaurus and is considered the queen of dinosaurs.
T Rex did also hunted one sauropod nearly identical in size and weight to Argentinosaurus called Alamosaurus and that animal is measured to 100 ft long and weighed 75-80 tons, while Argentinosaurus was 120 ft long, and weighed 69-75 tons, the weight estimates made alamosaurus larger. but like other megatheropods that hunted sauropods in similar weight classes, they mostly target the younger or weaker individuals.
Thats false, there is no fossil record of trex hunting adult alamosaurus, prob inmature similar size specimens to trex size and alamo isnt even in the top 10 biggest sauropods since the biggest alamo specimen its even below 50 tons meanwhile argent is almost 85 tons.
@@santiagofernandez8551 the Alamosaurus specimens I heard that they were the juveniles, which is why i mention in the later part of the comment that like other megatheropods that hunted other similar sized Titanosaurs, T Rex would mostly target the juveniles even when they hunted in packs, and Alamosaurus actually is the same size as Argentinosaurus, because the the specimens of the Alamosaurus they found were the juveniles, and they believe that adult Alamosaurus can weigh up to 75-80 tons, and also regarding the Argentinosaurus, its weight was reduced to 69-75 tons.
@@notmyrealchannel559 nope thats false, where is the source of that? Lol biggest mature alamo specimen is 43 tons at max, below even dreadnoughtus size, meanwhile argent size had never changed and still 85t at max
I can't say much as the paper is still being written and the monograph should, rightfully, get first shot at revealing what it has. But all I can say is keep an eye out of something coming from Oklahoma in the next year or so. A bonebed with some very, very intriguing finds got found that shed a lot of light not only on the social habits and life of a creature, but also its dimensions being well above what was expected of it.
I'm a plain person. I just want a Triceratops and Styracasaurus video. And maybe a vid why stegosaurs didn't make it to the Cretaceous, despite having a good defense system like the horn heads and ankylos.
Did you just imply Mapusaurus came before Giganotosaurus? Mapusaurus is known from late cenomanian to early turonian rocks 🤣, so its the other way around.
im saying this as a Spinosaurus enjoyer lol, so my opinion can be considered biased, but i dont think anyone can say Spinosaurus's size until we at least have a proper adult specimen that we are sure of. i wouldnt be surprised if it was heavier than rex or giga because it spent a lot of time in water. it doesnt really matter but its just a thought. Its still an amazing animal from what we know.
It had denser bones, but its bones were extremely thin and it had an extremely gracile build… it is more than likely not heavier than either of those two, especially as of now.
Did notice that the trex estimates were a bit low, average is more around 9.2k KG not 8.7 and maximum around 11k KG while Giga averages at around 7.2k KG and maxes at more around 9.4k KG
@@TaurusSaurus There aren’t really any adult specimen Tyrannosaurs that are in 7 anymore, Most are definitely above 8 as adult with the confirmed fully matured ones so far reaching more around 8-9 tons an average of a large tyrannosaur is around 9.2k KG as mentioned before with 11 being the estimated maximum size without getting into the whole… 15 ton controversy lol
Fair assessment at the end using Folkes' number crunch for Giganoto. Carcharodontosaurids in general and especially South American Giganotosaurines have been traditionally reconstructed way too gracile. Up until clear into the 2010s, skeletals and 3D models almost always made the dorsum too short, the chest way too narrow, and the skulls too flat. This is where you get some of the almost comically thin "Giga viewed from head-on" images where it turns into 'Flat Stanly'. Compare the Giganotosaurus skull reconstruction most common in the 2000s and early 2010s with that very rhombus-shaped, extra pointy snout with the huge fenestration; to the much stockier, Acrocanthosaurus-like cranium seen nowadays; and you'll see what I mean. Between all of that and some other factors like bulking up the legs appropriately, that accounts for a lot of how Giganotosaurus especially really shot up in body mass over the years. Especially now that more accurate mass metrics like GDI are used when paired with Larramendi et al. (2020)'s work.
@@Saurian25 “is more robust and even wider than some tyrannosaurus specimens” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙈😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂it’s so funny
Most of these are outdated. Lets correct these with 2023 theropod size comparison based on the paleo spreadsheet. Btw you've missed many megatheropods. Lets go ' All updated' Tier list 16. Oxalaia - 3,310 kg 15. Edmarka rex- 4,800 kg 14. NHMG 8500( Epanterias )- 5,700 kg 13. Torvosaurus ingens- 5,140 kg 12. Acrocanthosaurus- 6,600 kg 11. Therizinosaurus- 6,664 kg 10. Saurophaganax- 6,740 kg 9. Spinosaurus aegyptiacus- 6,810 kg 8.Sauroniops pachytholus- 7,771kg 7. Spinosaurinae indet- 7,840 kg 6. Tyrannotitan- 8,200 kgs 5. Deinocheirus- 8,410 kg 6. Carcharodontosaurus- 8,450 kg 3. Mapusaurus- 9,120 kg 8:27 the destroyer Tier 2. Tyrannosaurus Rex- 10,450 kg 1. Giganotosaurus carolinii- 10,500 kg
I do not think that Giganotasaurus was that heavy. The skeleton just looks too gracile to support that weight. When looking at a t-rex skeleton you can see the bulk. Giga looks it was an ectomorph.
Most of these are wrong bud. T rex & Giganotosaurus both are over 10 tons. T rex is 10.45 tons , Giganotosaurus is 10.5 tons. 3rd biggest theropod is Mapusaurus weights 9.12 tons. 4th Carcharodontosaurus is 8.5 tons
It's amazing, many Theropods rivaled or even surpassed modern elephants in weight, yet they were still dwarfed by many species of Sauropods. Between the Dinosaurs on land, Pterosaurs in the air, and the massive marine reptiles in the oceans the Mesozoic truly was a world of giants.
im sure pretty much almost all therapods could defeat a sauropod
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@@potato7777confidence: 100%
Facts: 0%
@@potato7777 A Pagatotitan could kick a Rex and kill it
@@potato7777 Source:trust me bro
Giga vs Trex is a rivalry that predates even jp3, back to the 90s. Charcharodontosaurs were definitely a family of elites, so many make it to the megatheropods list. It’s only fitting one of them can rival the king of dinosaurs
Carcharodontosaurs on average are head and shoulders above tyrannosaurs and spinosaurs. I conducted a literature review for my Comparative Vertebrate Studies course (using only peer-reviewed sources, so they ran on the low side) that resulted in an average tyrannosaur mass of 2875 kg, a spinosaur average of 2804 kg, and a carcharodontosaur mass of 3434 kg.
@@TheVividen without a doubt as a family they were the alpha predators. Even when they had competitors, I’ll argue they almost always came out on top given their wide range and time they ruled
That does seem to be the case. They ranged across almost every continent for a reason.
Carcharodontosaurs have the highest number of supergigantic members compared to the rest of the other theropod families. Acro, mapu, gig, carchar, tyranno all exceed 6 tonnes compared to tyrannosaurids where only a single member does so!
@@surgeonsergio6839 makes you wonder what kind of War-field Rex lived in for it to be such an anomaly in its family. Nature demanded more than greatness in that situation
Since a kid I remember T. rex constantly being dethroned as largest Mega Theropod but to know it’s now possibly bigger than previously thought Is awesome
Yes but yo mama bigger imho 😮
@@ThePunisher-si8exWow you are so funny😐
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@@nono9543 I cant even remember anymore
@@Rexred09lol
It's funny how movies actually undersell how powerful and agile these predators were. Like Rexy from JP/JW is cool but think about how much scarier she'd be if you account for the fact that T.Rexes are relatively highly intelligent and have eyesight superior to a Hawks. All while being larger than an a full grown Elephant.
Edit: Also. These are just the Megatheropods that were discovered. Looking at the size range of modern animals, it's likely that there were even bigger specimens out there. Either of already known predators or some unknown species altogether.
All true! A realistic Tyrannosaurus in Jurassic Park would be far more intimidating.
@@TheVividen Exactly! I see so many ppl on TikTok talk about how the movie monsters are "soooo much cooler" than irl animals and honestly I don't think that could be further from the truth.
Looking at some injured fossil specimens, we see Rexes being capable of surviving even with most of their tail missing. Like that's not just a glass cannon animal, that's a BEAST. It took millions of years for nature to sculpt a monster like that and goddamn would it be beautiful to see one.
Also it's like 100% certain the real dinosaurs weren't limited to movement based bs eyesight too.
Well, back in 1993 they didn´t knew as much as we know now about the Rex, actually Rexy was very much updated to the time, except for eyesight and movies do have to follow on continuity, so they can´t just make Rexy updated to modern times
Just goes to show that TikTok can't be trusted as a source of scientific information haha
@@antoniocenteno1483 Thanks for saying it and mentioning the continuity as well. JP1 was very accurate safe for its 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦 save for a handful but big issues like Dilophosaurus(All Speilberg), relying on Jack Horner- Utahraptors-sized raptors and naming them Velociraptor, and the aforementioned bad eye-sight for the T-rex.
Finally someone realizes how epic Tyrannotitan is 🗿
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Idk why but your video, everything about it, from the mic quality, pacing, humor and format has a real nostalgic feeling to it. Something that brings me back to an older time of TH-cam. Never change because you just earned a subscriber
I appreciate that! 2013 was peak TH-cam in my opinion
I am surprised at how over time rex has only become more impressive as an animal. Not only is it the largest land predator ever, it had incredible eyesight. And it had an incredible sense of smell, and it's leg bones suggest it was surprisingly good at running for it's size.
seeing these guys as an animal is much more interesting than a myth and monsters. I mean, it's like studying big cats or orcas, so fascinating.
dunkleosteus nerfed, megalodon nerfed, triceratops and ankylosaurus nerfed, spinosaurus… i don’t even know. And Trex being smart as ape, strongest biteforce ever, eyesight making eagles jealous, sense of smell equalling bears and running at about 15-25mph
@@darchandarchan7036the trike was a HUGE tank weight around 12 tons and this animal is the most dangerous herbivore that ever existed, the ankylosaurus was a HUGE armored tank weight around 8/9 tons but probably 11 tons.!!
@@darchandarchan7036 if anything dunkleosteus was buffed, its head wasn't shrunk only its body was and a shorter body means a tighter turn radius.
@@darchandarchan7036 trike and ankylosaurus are not nerfed, they are buffed
Pretty awesome that Tyrannosaurus rex remains the largest theropod, and the largest predator to ever walk the Earth. It’s such an amazing success story.
Terrestrial predator yes
Now for aquatic predators...... Yeah not even close even some modern marine predators dwarf the rex
A K.A toothed whales( no orcas are not a toothed whale just a overgrown dolphin)
@@kristianschuff1723 Technically, orcas are toothed whales, since all dolphins are toothed whales. But yeah what I was saying is that rex is the biggest hunter to walk on land, which is pretty awesome :D
@@Crakinator no they aren't
They're not even a whale they're a dolphin
@@kristianschuff1723 not all whales are dolphins, but all dolphins are whales.
@@Gree543 you got it backwards
All whales are dolphins but not all dolphins are whales
Even if Giganotosaurus may not be the new king like it was once proposed as, being the prince of all carnivores is still hella good in my book.
There is a chance that giga might be the biggest cuz there's not a lot of fossil found
@@SuperiorLad4411 Perhaps. I’d just be happy to learn more about it in general, since it’s my favorite mega theropod.
I've seen lions and tigers, I know how big they get. I've also seen elephants and the fact these megatheropods were much bigger than adult elephants blows my mind. If any of them were to come into our modern day, they would need to hunt adult elephants just to sustain themselves. After a bull African elephant, a T. rex or a Giga would be like "ok, is there more...?" Non-avian dinosaurs were insane...🤯
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I think it unfair to just bring the carnivores back. You'd have to bring back the herbivores too
T Rex: And this is my summer weight!
Just wait till it puts on those fall gains
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This is the perfect combination of military nerd, math nerd and Dino nerd. You have tapped into a new market sir.
Theropods, pterosaurs, crocodiles, sauropods. These type of animals ended up dominating the mesozoic era. The ones that are currently living in the cenozoic era are crocodiles, and theropods(birds) and they are still diverse.
The archosaur family were not dumb when it comes to survival.
Some of these estimates were surprisingly low. I always went with a 9,200kg average Tyrannosaurus. Seeing as Scotty could be 10,600kg to even 11,000kg and Sue being 9,900kg to 10,200kg. As Sue isn't exceptionally large compared to other specimens, I would think the average would only be a tonne off. My reasoning is bad but I saw that Sue was upscaled from 8,400kg to over 9.9 tonnes and Scotty was upscaled from 8,800kg to 10,600kg to 11 tonnes, I just assumed that all the other specimens should get a buff. I used Scotty, Sue, Stan, Trix, AMNH 5027 and the holotype specimen to find an average. I know my reason isn't very backed up, but I like to theorise about Tyrannosaurus, hence my name.
Super interesting video!
I agree with you, a tyrannosaurus weighing 9-10 tons looks much better these days, his estimates for giganotosaurus are very high, I always see that giganotosaurus estimates are around 6,500 to 7,800 kg.
@@Cope_Paleontology They are too high, 8.4 Tons was the potential weight for the bigger Giga found of wich we only have the dental record, wereas 6.5-7.8 was the weight of the holotype specimen. Unless he is taking in the bone density studio for wich all theropods "got a boost" but then the Rex should be about 9 tons for the holotype whereas scotty pushed 10 tons. I learned that on this channell lol and now i´m confused.
All of these estimates were using the .97 median density from Larramendi et al. (2020). I didn't use the 2013 Hartman estimates because he redid them in 2020 and got much higher numbers for both Tyrannosaurus and Giganotosaurus.
I'm glad you liked it! Statistically neither Sue nor Scotty would be considered "unusually large" since their masses didn't land more than two standard deviations away from the mean of Tyrannosaurus. I like your approach, too--it's always good to use multiple methods.
@@TheVividen yes, I understood that Sue and Scotty weren't exceptionally large, so the average can't be too many tonnes off their weight.
I found an average using the low estimates of:
Sue (9,700kg),
Scotty (10,400kg),
Stan (8,000kg),
holotype (8,500kg),
Trix (9,500kg),
AMNH 5027 (8,300kg)
To get an average of 9,067kg
I then used conservative estimates:
Sue (9,900kg),
Scotty (10,600kg),
Stan (8,700kg)
holotype (9,000kg),
Trix (9,800kg),
AMNH 5027 (8,800kg)
This gave an average of 9467kg
Then the semi-high estimates:
Sue (10,100kg),
Scotty (10,800kg),
Stan (8,800kg)
holotype (9,100kg),
Trix (10,000kg),
AMNH 5027 (9,000kg)
This gave an average of 9634kg
Finally, I used the higer estimates for these specimens:
Sue (10,200kg),
Scotty (11,000kg),
Stan (9,000kg)
holotype (9,300kg),
Trix (10,100kg),
AMNH 5027 (9,100kg)
This gave an enormous average of 9784kg.
In conclusion I think an average Tyrannosaurus must be over 9000kg.
Interesting way to break things down. I think it's likely that T-Rex went through all of your stages as it grew. With the growing evidence that tyrannosaurs functioned in family groups (small packs, much like modern predatory raptors), the most likely biologically plausible explanation is that, upon attaining full size, T-rex acted less as the primary killer of game....and more to protect that game from smaller predators. The younger tyrants probably did most of the hunting, and then the whole family got to eat their fill, because the mature tyrant was there and nothing in the environment could possibly challenge it.
Basically, they had "old man" strength and while they lost their speed....they earned their keep by being able to keep anyone from messing with the kills their younger children took.
Then, eventually, a family group would meet up, swap kiddos, reproduce, the older tyrants would die (explaining why t-rex only spent a small amount of time as a full size adult), their kids would take over the two family groups, and rinse and repeat.
Everything has to be viewed from the perspective of actual biology. T-Rex, as an adult, was so massively overbuilt that was slow. I would argue that's not because it was a scavenger....but because it had the family job of making sure nobody could move in on it's kids.
basically, it's the oldest play in the book. F* about and find out.
That’s not too different from lions. Males usually defend the pride and hunting territory from other predators (especially hyenas), while the lionesses bring home the food. 😼
Painting me a picture of Rex in the wild reading this lol
Looking at Reptiles today none of them seem to have any type of family units, they are loners that only get together during mating time and protect eggs or the young for a short time but will go back to being solitary animals and even prey on their own off spring once their short period of maturity instinct wears off, They will gather in groups not to work together out of any kind of family bonding but because they gather where the prey animals are and will tolerate others of their kind long as they keep their distance or not try to take their kill from them , when they eat on a carcass there is no social order its who ever is aggressive enough to take what they want first , the bigger ones will usually intimidate the younger ones away but are not above killing a smaller one of its kind and eating it if it gets in the way, That's how Crocodiles, Alligators and large lizards like Komodo dragons and Monitors are and also many mammal predators like Bears, Tigers, Wolverines,
Which makes me think if a T Rex is a solitary animal as well and doesn't have a permanent family unit, i don't think they had the intelligence to have a pack mentality or complex social structure like wolves or lions
@@bluemouse5039 Except dinosaurs were archosaurs - and that's very different from other reptiles.
The two surviving clades from that group are birds, and crocodilians (and, maybe, turtles, jury is still out on that).
Those groups all have parental care. Some of them, particularly the ones that directly descend from the dinosaurs (birds) have numerous examples of parental care, family groups, high intelligence, mating for life, protection of young, the list goes on.
Given the evidence we have of severely disabled therapods surviving months, or in some cases, years, it's pretty obvious these animals had some kind of social structure. Given that we see the same sort of thing in their direct descendants (birds), I'd say that, if they were not pack hunters, they were at least family hunters.
I actually love this thought process.
As a 90’s kid/ early 2000’s teenager, I severely appreciate the evanescence reference
Whilst I knew most of why was on this list I never knew that Theri lived along side Dino. Very interesting that two of the largest therapods at the time had meathooks for hands
The terror turkey and danger duck
I kinda have the feeling that back then, Deinocheirus would’ve lived in swampy environments and Therizinosaurus would’ve lived in more inland forest environments, to explain how those two giant Herbivorous or Omnivorous theropods could coexist in the same general area in addition to Tarbosaurus which would’ve probably been more of a generalist which was more likely to adapt to all kinds of habitats within the Nemegt Formation.
I’m happy you at the end of the video pointed out the alternative that Giganotosaurus could be smaller than what the evidence shows us, in which, just like your conclusion, our evidence is very much our best guess. I see so many people say “Well, Giganotosaurus could be larger” but the opposite is very much equally as applicable.
We don’t really have a quantifiable average for even Tyrannosaurus, let alone something like Giganotosaurus, so the room of improvement or lack of improvement arguments regarding size are statistically applicable all across the board of Theropod genre for “It could get larger” or “It could get smaller”, since these are just fossils. Our evidence is our best bet which we can claim.
That's completely correct. I ran a one-way ANOVA analysis of the average tyrannosaurid, carcharodontosaurid, and spinosaurid mass and got a p-value of .746, indicating that there was nowhere near enough evidence to suggest that the true average masses of any one of those clades was different from the others. We'd need far larger sample sizes for all three groups to confidently say that we have a statistically significant difference between them.
@@TheVividen The body mass differentials may prove in the long run, with more fossil findings, to be somewhat different plus or minus for Gig and Spino, but we have enough Rex fossils to know it won't vary much at all, plus or minus, with additional findings. And in determining the baddest therapod to ever live, it's not all about body size. One of the reasons Rex has, since its discovery, been considered the literal king of carnivorous dinosaurs is because of its teeth size and bite force. We don't need any more fossils of Gig or Spino to know that they are no match for Rex in destructive power in their jaws.
"By the way, would the Giganotosaurus go up,👆 against the late jurassic period herbivore,🥕 dinosaurs,🦕 such as the Apatosaurus, Diplodocus,🦕 Stegosaurus, and Kentrosaurus?"
"By the way, would Ankylosaurus, Triceratops,Iguanodon Styracosaurus, Edmontonia, and Therizinosaurus, go up,👆 against the Giganotosaurus?"
@@Cosmo-Kramera rex would get torn to shreds by any carchadontosaur a powerful bit is nothing compared to the ability to sever arterys and flesh with little effort
Your thumbnail is great dude!
I think the differences in growth patterns between Meraxes Gigas (and likely most large carcharodontosaurs) and tyrannosaurus is fascinating. Sue was around 27 or so when she died and she was an old tyrannosaurus and fully grown, Meraxes was estimated to have been in its early 50s, and still growing, still a skeletally immature adult.
So you think Meraxes would get bigger than T rex when they reached fully adults
That is exactly not what I am saying. Especially as Meraxes was sharing its envrioment with the larger Mapusaurus. What I am saying is that whilst tyrannosaurus is big and heavy the large carcharodontosaurs were comparatively ancient. Meraxes was nearly twice the age of the oldest tyrannosaurus specimens we have and not yet fully mature.
@@rileyernst9086 true the charcharcs and spinos were much older dinosaurs compared to tyrannosaurids. There is a very big gap and it has evolved a lot. By then the rest of them were already extinct
I'm sad that nobody talks about Tyrannotitan that much, despite literally having the name of the "Tyrant Titan" itself, that name is reserved for god like entities and Tyrannotitan deserved its title. its the best carcharodontosaurid right under the goat itself, Giganotosaurus
Top 5 biggest North American megatheropods now .
1. Tyrannosaurus Rex- 10.4 tonnes
2. Saurophaganax maximus- 8 tonnes
3. Acrocanthosaurus atokensis- 6.8 tonnes
4. Torvosaurus tanneri- 5.2 tonnes
5. Siats meekerorum- 4.7 tonnes
And we can't forget Cope's 11.5-11.7 tonnes!
Love that the Megalosaurs family and Megaraptor family got some love. It is interesting that the Carcharodontosaur family dominates the list tho. Hope a truly giant Abelisaur gets discovered one day.
That would be awesome!
Top 5 largest Asian megatheropods now
1. Deinocheirus mirificus- 7.1 tonnes
2. Zhuchengtyrannus magnus- 5.9 tonnes
3. Therizinosaurus choleniformis- 5.5 tonnes
4. Prodeinodon mongoliensis- 5.4 tonnes
5. Tarbosaurus bataar- 5.4 tonnes
Respect for recognising the Asian Tyrannosaurs size!
Boy they weren't kidding when they said the Allosauridae were one of the most succesful apex predators in the history of earth.
I won't be surprised if these dinosaurs actually had their own armies and fought for territories and honour. 💀
That sounds an amazing idea for a show !
Spinosauridae (Germany) trying to convince the Charcarodontosaurids (Mexico) to fight against the Tyrannosaurids (America):
*Yo dudes, the empire’s pretty chill, maybe you could like, join it or something.*
I almost forgot about your channel until I remembered you made that King Kong VS Tigrex video. Nice see your still doing your paleontology thing.
Good to see you!
Tarbosaurus is easily 5.5 tonnes, and Zhuchengtyrannus is 4.5-5 tonnes.
There’s no way they aren’t on this list.
I'm in the process of cutting back on my subscriptions, so I'm very picky about any new subscriptions, but this channel looks like it'd be exactly the thing I like, especialy since you dropped an MTG refferenc ein the middle of a paleontology video.
btw, that primary Tyrannotitan imaged compared to Jerry is by Brett Booth
Thank you!
finally someone who mentions Tyrannotitan, one of my favorite dinosaurs finally gets recognition
Please do Gigapods (Giant Sauropods)
Going back and time and seeing an adult T.rex in flesh. I don't think our brains would be able to process the sheer awe-inspiring sight of such an amazing giant predator.
T-Rex is supreme and all, but the fact that an adult equivalent class Titanosaur would have little to worry about says a lot about how titanic dinosaurs could get. Them sauropods could get up to like 15 Jerrys…
Great video keep up the good stuff 🙏🏻
I have a good question that you could possibly do a video about:
Why were Carcharodontosaurids not around in the Late Cretaceous?
That's a great question, and a fantastic video idea!
I think it was explained in Planet Dinosaur (2014) that some enviromental changes in the mid-cretaceus period results in the changes of the fauna, which cause the extinction of the Sauropods (u know, the long-neck giants like Argentinosaurus and Parralititan). And since Carcharodontosaurids preyed on those titans, as their meat supplies die out, so did they.
It's worth learning about the "Cenomanian-Turonian anoxic event" 94 million years ago
Global average temperatures then were at least as high or higher than any other time in the Mesozoic
"Leviathan" Saurophaganax specimen is destroyer tier
Leviathan is invalid
A little fun fact i p’ve thought about regarding giga and rex, was running. If you look at rexy and it’s barrel-shaped chest and giant, thick legs, it’s very clear it was a long and slow walker, that endurance hunted like early humans did, while giga is longer, leaner and skinnier, with beefier thighs for fast running to catch up to something four-legged. Just a lil nugget of info
You talking about rexy when vid about accurate
Sorry didn't read right 😂
Giga wouldnt need to run much either as their contemporary prey item wouldve mostly been the huge sauropods that roamed its habitat, its anything from the 6-7 tonnes rebbachisaurids like rayososaurus and limaysaurus to the huge titanosaurs like the 18 tonnes andesaurus and the 60+ tonnes unnamed large titanosaur that was recently discovered.
What a nice and detailed remake. Also nice to see my video on megatheropods pop up at one point
I'm glad you liked it! It had been six years since I'd made my last comprehensive list, so I figured it was time. Your video is also great!
@@TheVividen thx
@@TheVividen but alas it's not accurate. Look at Dan Folkes model & theropod comparison spreadsheet. Your estimates are wrong
@@leaguenpaleontology23your brain is wrong
I love the book that you got some of the artwork for this video from. If you don’t already have it, you should get the book about sauropods from the same authors. It has some of the most beautiful depictions of sauropods I’ve ever seen. They’re unique, colorful, and like the theropod book, it has reconstructions of very lesser known or undiagnostic specimens.
It would be awesome to see a video about mega sauropods too since their book has an exhaustive list of every sauropod with cited length and mass estimates. 30 or 35 tons (about the mass of a humpback whale) would be a good place to put the threshold and includes tons of unexpected giants besides just titanosaurs
What artist was it
I have the Sauropod Facts and Figures book too, and it's fantastic!
@@TheVividen so some people in this vid thinks fully grown giga is 10.5 tons which is to big and speculation
Excellent channel, just encountered it. You have a range of qualities I appreciate in any given palaeomedia channel. To put it plain, you have the subtlety and the _genuine_ understanding of the terminology to present these videos. I subscribed. Respect, from one palaeontologist to another.
I'm glad you like my content! Respect right back at ya, paleo pal!
@@TheVividen You are most welcome. It's actually refreshing to see a channel which isn't just regurgitating recycled tropes and actually puts the effort in to not only reference things but also get the pronunciations spot on. I can just tell you know what you're talking about. I've long considered making videos and have ideas, but yeah.
General Grievous says, subscribing to your channel:
_This will make another fine addition to my collection_ [cough]
@@ThePalaeontologist Thank you! This comment made my day. If you do end up making videos of your own, let me know!
@@TheVividen Again, you are most welcome. If I compliment someone, it is sincere, because I reserve it for those who deserve it. I can imagine working on stuff with you and part of why I specifically referred to you having the subtlety to understand and expertly discuss and present things, is that you are 'already there'.
In other words, I can tell you'd be a good colleague. Anyway, I'm really liking the attention to detail in your videos. The thing is, it's one of my weaker areas in palaeontology to keep up with the biggest and most current things being found. I rarely have that time to dedicate to that and it is nice to see it all summarised here. I know it sounds daft for someone with no videos, but I always keep it in mind who I'd like to work with on videos one day if possible.
And like Darth Vader knowing the rebel base was on Hoth, I instantly knew you were just one of those channels at that kind of standard. Again, rich I know coming from someone with no content, but I do have a microphone and I'm working on things (writing)
@@ThePalaeontologist I'll be applying to doctorate programs soon for evolutionary biology, so maybe we'll see each other around! I'm happy to be of help. Let's dig up some dinos!
I never knew Therizinosaurus was on average larger than Deinocheirus.
Fake. Therizinosaurus was 6.6 tons .
Deinocheirus was 8.5 tons
@@Imatroll_Icallcap that's a false estimate
@@Imatroll_Icallcap No Therizinosaurus was 6.1 ton and Deinocheirus was 7.2 tons
@@Kor06.no.
@@Kor06.Deinocheirus is bigger than Therizinosaurus
This video was pretty dope,and I like this video
I'm glad that you did!
I think regardless of which comes out bigger, T. Rex or giga, the real question is how their weight distributed? Giga when you look at its skeletal structure is a leaner quicker hunter. It looks like it’s built to bleed its prey then finish it when it’s weak. T Rex looks to have been built for a marathon chase leading to a climactic showdown when its prey could no longer run away. It had exceptionally keen vision and smell, and it was obviously built to deal kill in one or two chomps. Even if Giga is found to be larger I think the answer to who would win a straight fight would still go to the T Rex most of the time. It’s built for head on conflict with animals in its weight class. Evidence points to Giga bleeding out large slow animals or catching smaller weaker prey. Both amazing in their own right, but only one gets to wear the belt lol
Best compared body proportion Pantanal jaguar(t rex) vs African leopard(giga)
Yeah but then again the same could be said that the Giga has larger jaws making it easier to land a bite. Just another way of looking at it.
depends who attack first.
"By the way, would the Giganotosaurus go up,👆 against the late jurassic period herbivore,🌿 dinosaurs,🦕 such as, the Apatosaurus/Brontosaurus,Diplodocus,🦕 Stegosaurus and Kentrosaurus?"
"By the way, would the late Cretaceous period herbivore,🌿 dinosaurs,🦕 such as, the Triceratops, Iguanodon, Ankylosaurus, and Therizinosaurus, go up,👆 against the late Cretaceous period South american carnivorous,🥩 🌭 🍔 🥓 🐔 🐠 dinosaurs,🦖 such as the Giganotosaurus, and Carnotaurus?"
It hurts my heart that we will never know how dinosaurs actually looked and moved like.
7:53 on another note other paleontologist and experts have estimated it to be either slightly smaller or slightly larger, it depends on who’s recon you use. But the higher end just barely scratch’s 8 tonnes, into destroyer class.
And if I’m being completely honest given his track history it’s probably gonna change sometime this month😭
But still great video. Subscribed
T. rex was the ultimate terrestrial predator
@@rodrigopinto6676 ok?
Are you talking about the spino
Epic video man
the weights are completly of after the last papers of science, a Trex is now estimate between 10-13 tons and most of the others are also estimated heavier, also did they correct the size of most of them
So T. rex is CHONKEY
@Godzilla Kotm bulky but yes, this new rex looks like a damn strongman going to deadlift some trees
The absolute max with that body build would be 15 tons. Chonkey boah.
No evidence of such inflated mass estimates exist.
Rex is 10.4 tons
I always believed that theropods were carnivores, you learn something new every day
I'd say I expected Tarbosaurus to be on this list, as it is generally estimated around 5 tonnes for the large 40-foot adult females. I remember when Mapusaurus was discovered in 2000 it was estimated at 50 feet in length, a figure that was later revised downwards to 41 feet but still extremely large.
Mapusaurus never estimated to be 50 feet . Maximum estimates is 43 feet
there was a very early estimate of a dinosaur that was said to be a relative of Giga that was from Argetina estimated at 48-50 feet and that later was Mapusaurus but its size was revised down to 40-42 feet.
@@joebrat6809I saw an old documentary that states this, Dinosaurs Extremes, it states that Mapussaurus was 14-15 meters long.
That 13.6-14.3 meters or 45-48 foot long Mapusaurus was from a pubis shaft 10% bigger than Giganotosaurus holotype.
@@leaguenpaleontology23 intersting, its strange that this has never been brought up. If this shaft turns out to be true, then Mapusaurus may indeed be the King of The Monsters.
6:50 I swear somewhere out there there's an alternate dimension where carnotaurus was found much later and named after nicol bolas
Top 5 largest European megatheropods now
1. French Megalosaurid- 6.3 tonnes
2. Megalosauridae indet- 5.5 tonnes
3. Torvosaurus gurneyi- 5.2 tonnes
4. Metriscanthosaurus indet- 4.2 tonnes
5. 5th one isn't a megatheropod
I love how giga shot up to the same size as scotty and then rex slam dunked on it with a 12.4 ton specimen
That was a fantastic video, a new viewer here i just subscribed
Also what was the music during giganotosaurs explanation
I really like this video because it gives a fair, average weight estimate for each dino, even though with a dino like spinosaurus it's difficult to estimate at this point and time since its body structure keeps changing. Personally I think its weight could range anywhere from 7.5 thousand kilos to potentially over 9000 kg. but artillery tier seems like a good strong place to be though maybe one day it'll join Destroyer Tier
It feeds only on fish
@@rodrigopinto6676 No it does not, it's adapted to take advantage of the abundant aquatic life, but it was not strictly a piscivore
@@northirinangel784 pure fish diet
@@rodrigopinto6676 Nope, sorry but that's incorrect, do bears only eat deer and berries? Do sharks only eat fish? If a carnivore finds prey it can hunt when it's hungry it'll hunt it
@@northirinangel784 fossil evidence indicates that it ate only fish
giga vs trex is so reidiculously even it all comes down to who gets the first hit. a strong bite from either would put the other one out of commision
@8:42
Considering it's name means Giant Southern Lizard, I always pronounce it like Giant. Saying it like Giga just doesn't do it justice. Saying it like Giant really puts emphasis on the fact it was a true Giant.
But smaller than rex
@@rodrigopinto6676 well yes, i was just saying how its name came to be. It still is a giant, an animal measuring up to 43-45 ft in length is no joke. But its still not the true king. Rex will always be king.
@@tyrantking9362 “45ft” outdated
@@rodrigopinto6676 there's no reason to be rude
@@rodrigopinto6676 and to say its outdated isn't entirely accurate. Scientists really have no idea. We have such few adult specimens compared to the tyrannosaurus rex. Its just an estimated average.
Top 5 largest African megatheropods now.
1. Spinosaurus aegyptiacus- 8.3 tonnes
2. Spinosaurinae indet- 8.2 tonnes
3. Carcharodontosaurus saharicus- 8.2 tonnes
4. Sauroniops pachytholus- 7.5 tonnes
5. Bahariasaurus ingens- 7.1 tonnes
We need a vid like this for all types of dinos n prehistoric taxa
That would be awesome! I'll see what I can do
@@TheVividen yay!🎉
Interesting to see some of these values change since your shorter 2018 video
Pretty sure Brett Booth did the Tyrannotitan art. Looks like his usual style for Theropods.
I've added him to the description. Thank you!
@@TheVividen no problem, he does a lot of theropod art.
never really heard of the edmarka rex, that’s really cool, imagine a creature almost as long as the t. rex or like he said it rivaled it’s size just running at you, and from the looks of it, it seemed agile, thats actually insane to think about and cool at the same time
Honestly, after seeing their skeletons side to side it makes me think that current estimates are either being too generous with Giganotosaurus or too conservative with T Rex. Or maybe even both. Between them there doesn't seem to be a difference of just some hundreds of kilograms or just one ton 🤷♂️
Can we really stop and think about how useless we are compared to the largest reptiles of today and now scale that up to multiple tons, a head full of swords, and more than likely modern bird level intelligence
Megatheropods would be easily shot down by our modern weapons. A T Rex is nothing compared to the most robust battle tanks.
It’s cool that a modern day bull elephant day could still possibly hold its own against some of the smaller megatherapods. Although they’d probably be more inclined to run away and be an easy kill, considering they aren’t used to being hunted by anything even close to their size.
Few things are as aggressive as a bull elephant. It'd be as dangerous to hunt as a large ceratopsid.
@@majungasaurusaaaa I doubt it. A large triceratops has the defences to actually protect itself against theropods like the forward facing horn and protective kneck frill.
Only the large supertuskers would stand a chance against the big theropods.
Great video! Just wanna throw a bit of something you could possibly turn into a vid. Have you noticed that just about anywhere the spinosaurs have been found, there are also carcharadontosaurs living at the same time as them? Africa, you have carch and spino. South America you have oxalia, and irritator with Mapu, and the giga. I’m not sure of a carch has been found in the UK, but it would surprise me given that there are several spinosaurids there
The biggest tyrannosaurus rex is 9 tons which is scotty the average weight of tyrannosaurus-rex is 7 to 8 tons on average.
The biggest Tyrannosaurus rex is Copium rex(ED Cope or BHI 6248)and weighs 11,7 tons(11.700 kg)
@@giulialigabue3361 there's no evidence for that.
@@giulialigabue3361 For many years now, Saskatchewan has been the proud home of the world's largest Tyrannosaurus rex. Nicknamed Scotty, this once huge animal used to roam the earth some 66 million years ago. Weighing an estimated 19,555 pounds, the equivalent of four pickup trucks, and measuring nearly 42 feet long.
@@UnknownUniverseGod no
@@giulialigabue3361 yes you can search it up I'm not lying
I grew up reading about the giant theropods that lived in the Mesozoic and I like how they ramged from Tyrannosaurus that has the strongest bite of any animal to large clawed Therizinosaurus
nice video i thought that carchodontosaurus was heaver then Tyrannotitan
Based on current estimates, apparently not. That is, of course, subject to change!
Tyrannotitan is actually 8.5 tons
Carcharodontosaurus only 7.6 tons
Tyrannotitan is almost 1 ton heavier than carcharodontosaurus
@@Imatroll_Icallcap okay? where did you get this information from?
Nice vid friend🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉. I think my tier list has reference from ur video
Destroyer Tier
1. Tyrannosaurus Rex-12.4 m & 8804 kg
2. Tyrannosaurus Mcraeensis-12.1 m & 8602 kg
3. Giganotosaurus Carolinii-13.2 m & 8400 kg
Artillery Tier
1. Mapusaurus Roseae-12.29 m & 7486 kg
2. Deinocheirus Mirificus-11.83 m & 7364 kg
3. Tyrannotitan Chubutensis-11.86 m & 7287 kg
4. Saurophaganax Maximus-12.24 m & 7163 kg
Knight Tier
1. Spinosaurus Aegyptiacus-13.1 m & 7000 kg
2. Carcharodontosaurus Saharicus-12 m & 6900 kg
3. Acrocanthosaurus Atokensis-11.63 m & 6800 kg
I love the idea of every large carnivore vs trex, but the fact of the situation is trex could defeat all if it lands a bite on the neck /head of each of the rival carnivores
I’d say it’s bulk would be the biggest advantage over other carnivores, you’re not gonna land a perfect bite against a carnivore that is actively attacking you. That bull makes it an immovable wall, which gives it more opportunities to get that bite in
@@shagarumedic Yeah and that bite would be a 1 hit KO too...
It evolved to be like that. By then rest of them were extinct and the gap is very huge. They are all much older dinosaurs if u compared them to trex
Tyrannosaurus and giganotosaurus: NOOO O O O O THEROPODS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE BIGGEST CARNIVORES INLAND
Crocodilians: Haha 13+ ton alligator go brr
Comparing modern elephants to megatropod dinosaurs is impressive on both counts. On the one hand, megatropods include carnivorous dinosaurs that were larger and heavier than a current African Elephant, that is really terrifying, an African Elephant is already a huge beast in itself, luckily it is herbivorous, but imagine a more predatory animal bigger than him. On the other hand, we can see how a group of the largest current land animals could be capable of scaring away or defeating a megatropod such as T-rex or Giganotosaurus in a dangerous encounter, Elephants are intelligent, perhaps they would be afraid to see a predator something bigger than them but they know that together they can beat it, a normal adult Tyrannosaurus rex of about 8-9 tons would see a single African Elephant as a good prey, but a herd of them by no means, each of them weighs 6 tons and they are close to their height, the T-rex only outnumbers each one by 2-3 tons, if we have about 6-7 Elephants facing a Tyrannosaurus, the dinosaur would basically be far outclassed in strength, it's just It is a matter of thinking that a Triceratops (the most dangerous natural prey of the T-rex) counts almost as 2 current adult male African Elephants, if a T-rex encounters about 6 Elephants it is like it is facing 3 Triceratops, the best option of the apex predator would be to run away if you don't want to earn a beating.
The triceratop was a Huge tank weight around 12 tons.!
I just read that whole thing bruh
I appreciate that you put your sources in the description and the methods used. Good video.
It's sad that Tarbosaurus doesn't make this list
It is sad :(
Tarbosaurus is 5.4 tons
Tarbosaurus isn't in top 10 current largest theropods by mass
1. Giganotosaurus- 10.5 tons
2. T rex - 10.4 tons
3. Mapusaurus- 9.1 tons
4. Deinocheirus- 8.4 tons
5. Tyrannotitan- 8.3 tons
6. Spinosaurus- 7.8 tons
7. Sauroniops- 7.7 tons
8. Carcharodontosaurus- 7.6 tons
9. Saurophaganax- 6.8 tons
10. Therizinosaurus- 6.6 tons
Tarbosaurus unable to make top 10
Because he missed at Tarbosaurus does weigh 5000+ kg
@skwarne920 10.5 tons 😂😂😂😂
Dude I love the tier listing. A destroyer class? Terrific.
How about the giant megeraptorid Maip Macrothorax, it lived in south america of the late late cretaceous after giganotosaurus and is considered the queen of dinosaurs.
Maip is only 3 tons
@🐍Titano 🐍 true but something to look into
E. D. Cope and Bertha 4 months after this video released: Let us introduce ourselves.
And only two weeks after the Battle of Kings 👀
Can you explain what that other comment is talking about?
@Tyrannosaurus_rex. What is a Bertha's weigth??
T Rex did also hunted one sauropod nearly identical in size and weight to Argentinosaurus called Alamosaurus and that animal is measured to 100 ft long and weighed 75-80 tons, while Argentinosaurus was 120 ft long, and weighed 69-75 tons, the weight estimates made alamosaurus larger. but like other megatheropods that hunted sauropods in similar weight classes, they mostly target the younger or weaker individuals.
Thats false, there is no fossil record of trex hunting adult alamosaurus, prob inmature similar size specimens to trex size and alamo isnt even in the top 10 biggest sauropods since the biggest alamo specimen its even below 50 tons meanwhile argent is almost 85 tons.
@@santiagofernandez8551 the Alamosaurus specimens I heard that they were the juveniles, which is why i mention in the later part of the comment that like other megatheropods that hunted other similar sized Titanosaurs, T Rex would mostly target the juveniles even when they hunted in packs, and Alamosaurus actually is the same size as Argentinosaurus, because the the specimens of the Alamosaurus they found were the juveniles, and they believe that adult Alamosaurus can weigh up to 75-80 tons, and also regarding the Argentinosaurus, its weight was reduced to 69-75 tons.
@@notmyrealchannel559 nope thats false, where is the source of that? Lol biggest mature alamo specimen is 43 tons at max, below even dreadnoughtus size, meanwhile argent size had never changed and still 85t at max
@@notmyrealchannel559 docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10kENNmyqPts-fv-nCgK4Rse5YggniHiVTvj6BVv1JDo/htmlview#
@@notmyrealchannel559 docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GVpHchzogtjkTqQrP7PFM2BAWMGHYHABD-Xnk_6KPj0/htmlview#
I dont know why but that "Oxalaia may it rest in peace" made me laugh HAHAHHAHAH
I can't say much as the paper is still being written and the monograph should, rightfully, get first shot at revealing what it has. But all I can say is keep an eye out of something coming from Oklahoma in the next year or so. A bonebed with some very, very intriguing finds got found that shed a lot of light not only on the social habits and life of a creature, but also its dimensions being well above what was expected of it.
Keep us updated for when the monograph releases!
I'm a plain person. I just want a Triceratops and Styracasaurus video. And maybe a vid why stegosaurs didn't make it to the Cretaceous, despite having a good defense system like the horn heads and ankylos.
These aren’t accurate sizes
😂😂😂😂
It's accurate
It is
well the theropods are the only dinosaurs that are still around, no wonder why they're so famous
Did you just imply Mapusaurus came before Giganotosaurus? Mapusaurus is known from late cenomanian to early turonian rocks 🤣, so its the other way around.
He was probably talking about Meraxes Gigas.
@@ThePeltra95 Meraxes and Mapusaurus lived at the same time and place 💀
@@SCR_ProductionsYT They are from the same formation, but Meraxes was found on older rocks than Mapusaurus, so they probably didn't coexist.
@@ThePeltra95 This overlooks the fact Meraxes was not suprassing 5 tons in weight, therefore it does not qualify on the list.
@@SCR_ProductionsYT meraxes “only” 4 tons
Great video!
im saying this as a Spinosaurus enjoyer lol, so my opinion can be considered biased, but i dont think anyone can say Spinosaurus's size until we at least have a proper adult specimen that we are sure of. i wouldnt be surprised if it was heavier than rex or giga because it spent a lot of time in water. it doesnt really matter but its just a thought. Its still an amazing animal from what we know.
It had denser bones, but its bones were extremely thin and it had an extremely gracile build… it is more than likely not heavier than either of those two, especially as of now.
Interesting video, but what is the music playing in the background?
Did notice that the trex estimates were a bit low, average is more around 9.2k KG not 8.7 and maximum around 11k KG while Giga averages at around 7.2k KG and maxes at more around 9.4k KG
There were only a select few Tyrannosaurus specimen which reached and or surpassed 9 tonnes. Most were in the 7-8 tonne range.
@@TaurusSaurus There aren’t really any adult specimen Tyrannosaurs that are in 7 anymore, Most are definitely above 8 as adult with the confirmed fully matured ones so far reaching more around 8-9 tons an average of a large tyrannosaur is around 9.2k KG as mentioned before with 11 being the estimated maximum size without getting into the whole… 15 ton controversy lol
@@GEK0dev the only 9+ tonne are trix, sue, and Scotty as well as some fragmented ones. Who estimated 11kg?
Great Video!!
Fair assessment at the end using Folkes' number crunch for Giganoto. Carcharodontosaurids in general and especially South American Giganotosaurines have been traditionally reconstructed way too gracile. Up until clear into the 2010s, skeletals and 3D models almost always made the dorsum too short, the chest way too narrow, and the skulls too flat. This is where you get some of the almost comically thin "Giga viewed from head-on" images where it turns into 'Flat Stanly'. Compare the Giganotosaurus skull reconstruction most common in the 2000s and early 2010s with that very rhombus-shaped, extra pointy snout with the huge fenestration; to the much stockier, Acrocanthosaurus-like cranium seen nowadays; and you'll see what I mean. Between all of that and some other factors like bulking up the legs appropriately, that accounts for a lot of how Giganotosaurus especially really shot up in body mass over the years. Especially now that more accurate mass metrics like GDI are used when paired with Larramendi et al. (2020)'s work.
Again the giganotosaurus carolinii had a narrower and slender body compared to Tyrannosaurus rex(was an absolute unit Tank)
@@rodrigopinto6676 Not by nearly as much as it was once made out to be. You keep showing me very out of date estimates and reconstructions.
@RiazMuhammad-tm4id also T. rex was an excellent swimmer
@@Saurian25 “is more robust and even wider than some tyrannosaurus specimens” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🙈😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂it’s so funny
@@Saurian25 T. rex=hater detected🙈🤮
Nice video. How about a similar video of biggest ceratopsians?
Most of these are outdated.
Lets correct these with 2023 theropod size comparison based on the paleo spreadsheet.
Btw you've missed many megatheropods.
Lets go ' All updated'
Tier list
16. Oxalaia - 3,310 kg
15. Edmarka rex- 4,800 kg
14. NHMG 8500( Epanterias )- 5,700 kg
13. Torvosaurus ingens- 5,140 kg
12. Acrocanthosaurus- 6,600 kg
11. Therizinosaurus- 6,664 kg
10. Saurophaganax- 6,740 kg
9. Spinosaurus aegyptiacus- 6,810 kg
8.Sauroniops pachytholus- 7,771kg
7. Spinosaurinae indet- 7,840 kg
6. Tyrannotitan- 8,200 kgs
5. Deinocheirus- 8,410 kg
6. Carcharodontosaurus- 8,450 kg
3. Mapusaurus- 9,120 kg
8:27 the destroyer Tier
2. Tyrannosaurus Rex- 10,450 kg
1. Giganotosaurus carolinii- 10,500 kg
It’s based of speculation
@@Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0 no
No,Tyrannosaurus rex 11.700 kg
Giganotosaurus carolini 10.200 kg
NHMG 8500 found in Chinese, so it's not Epanterias
How can i buy that book? Did you have it on Shoppe App, Amazon App or Shein App? Please tell me
I do not think that Giganotasaurus was that heavy. The skeleton just looks too gracile to support that weight. When looking at a t-rex skeleton you can see the bulk. Giga looks it was an ectomorph.
Agree
I would love to see an updated mega sauropods video with Jerry scores if that’s possible
Americans will measure with anything, except the metric system
Even elephants
Tyrannosaurus, after the recent size discovery: My power… my power is… MAXIMUMER!!
Brolysaurus Max vs Kakarottodontosaurus
Most of these are wrong bud.
T rex & Giganotosaurus both are over 10 tons. T rex is 10.45 tons , Giganotosaurus is 10.5 tons.
3rd biggest theropod is Mapusaurus weights 9.12 tons.
4th Carcharodontosaurus is 8.5 tons
@M&L gang Giga is the biggest kid by recent discovery. Get updated kid
@@Dtorvo your the kid
Very nice work. I cant say it Better :)