They're both pretty rotten. Rachel wanted to mess around with his best friend. It's not enough for her to hurt him, she has to fuck up his friendship too.
@@lemonade507 here is one of the definitions of victim playing online. easily searchable on google Manipulators often play the victim role ("woe is me") by portraying themselves as victims of circumstances or someone else's behavior in order to gain pity or sympathy or to evoke compassion and thereby get something from someone
she did it with Jessie too, right after introducing Run Joey Run and Jessie broke up with her, she said "I knew you were going to break my heart" and she was the one who hurt him with that clip.
The only time he cheated was when he kissed Rachel. And it was still wrong, why wouldn't finn not break up with Rachel. She still cheated on him with another guy.
I think it's interesting that Puck's the one with the conscience and doesn't want to hurt Finn. How far was Rachel willing to go if Puck hadn't stopped them just to 'pay Finn back'? It's incredibly cruel of her.
I think she's Asperger's, though unacknowledged on the show. She often doesn't seem to recognize the emotions of those around her, or the possible impact of her actions on others.
Ariadne Wolf It’s unfair to assume the reason why she acts like that is due to Aspergers. I’m pretty sure she’s just overly conceited and just trying to play the victim wayyy too much. Like. Way. Too. Much.
Rachel does this a lot. She dates Jesse to make Finn jealous. She hooks up with Puck to make Finn jealous. She has an open sexual relationship with Brody in New York....to make Finn jealous. The last one is especially tragic because Finn died. She spent the last few years Finn was alive banging a guy (a gigolo) that she didn’t love. The time with Finn was limited because he died young and she wasted so much of that time trying to make Finn jealous
He cheated on Quinn with her though? And then proceeded to go after Quinn whilst she was with Sam, loool. Was there anyone in this show who didn't cheat?
Chiara Farmer I'm confused. If Finn only had fireworks with Quinn then why did his feelings for Rachel ended up with him breaking up with Quinn for good towards the end of series/season 2?
Finn wasn’t dating Rachel when he got with Santana. And Rachel was dating someone else and was even planning on sex with him. Finn didn’t cheat on Rachel
Okay but Finn wasn’t dating Rachel when he slept with Santana. It had nothing to do with Rachel and he didn’t have to tell her. Rachel, on the other hand, was dating Finn when she tried to sleep with Puck. It’s a very different situation and Finn deserved to know since she’s his girlfriend.
I don’t get how gets mad at Rachel for cheating on him then runs back to Quinn who is not only cheating but also had someone else’s baby that last season with his best friend...
Foxiixmz I love how so many are making Rachel out to be the bad one and I'm not saying what she did was right because clearly it wasn't but Fin is just s culpable.
@@chillstudy8223 Yeah that counts?!?! They were still together AND he didn‘t know about Quinn cheating. In his mind, their relationship was normal and happy etc. and he cheated. It counts!
She ruined her own relationship. She tried to cover it up by saying that Finn sleeping with Santana LAST YEAR AND THEY WERNT TOGETHER canceled out the fact she cheated on Finn. Also she acted really thirsty for Finn trying to get him back the whole season. The worst part is she cheated on Finn with the same guy who made Finn break up with Quinn. Sorry for the rant.
I want to make a few things clear here, for those who defend Rachel: 1. Finn had every right not to reveal anything about his sex life, if he didn't want to. After all, it is personal and belongs to your own privacy. 2. As much as Finn explained it, Rachel didn't want to see that Finn's first sexual experience with Santana never meant anything to him. Maybe that's why he didn't want to tell her. 3. Rachel was upset that he didn't tell her, and having sex was important to her, because she wanted the two of them to lose their virginity together. I emphasize that this desire came only from her. 4. Rachel had also lied to him and told Finn that she had already had sex with Jesse. 5. Finn has never complained to Rachel for lying to him, not even when he thought she had sex with Jesse. Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TOGETHER. 6. Many believe that Rachel got mad because he did it to Santana, and she revealed in the episode that she would have understood if Finn had slept with Quinn. Both Quinn and Santana are horrible to her, so what would be the difference? I think that would have hurt her more, because Finn loved Quinn and she was always above Rachel (which is why she paid him to have Quinn seduce Finn and see if he was faithful to her, which increases the point that she is fucking crazy, but nobody remembers that anymore) 7. She betrayed him on purpose to make him suffer. Finn went to bed with Santana because he wanted to, not to hurt Rachel (they weren't together after all) maybe to make her jealous, but not to hurt her, but he still apologized to her.
But it was actually important to reveal if you are not a virgin to your partner, remember what Holly said? When you sleep with someone you sleep with everyone the slept with before, and considering it was Santana that’s pretty heavy. What if Rachel considered to only use a pill and not protection and Finn had something? What if Rachel decided she didn’t want to have sex with someone who wasn’t a virgin? That detail was important to her and he knew that, false statements to get sex is a form of rape. He should’ve told her when she told him about Jesse, if they were both lying to each other, but her lie wasn’t as important, it only meant she actually was a virgin and had not sleep with anyone else. He decided to keep lying to her, blatantly so. For a great part of their relationship and he wasn’t stupid enough to not know that it would hurt her, and he put her in the position where everyone knew except for her, so it wasn’t “personal” enough for him, he just didn’t want HER to know, and that allowed Santana to humiliate her in front of everyone else. Making someone jealous can actually hurt people, we saw it cause when she lied to him it hurt him that she slept with someone else. And yes she cheat, it was wrong, but what he did was wrong too, he hurt her, and he knew lying was going to hurt her, but he kept it going. She knew it would hurt him and she wanted to, but she at least she was honest with him, but of course all mighty Finn wanted to play the victim.
I still defend Rachel yes she was in the wrong but her one mistake dose not change how he treated her through the rest of the season especially how he acted at prom when she was having fun not pinning away over his ass
@@rhondalong152 I think that was the Valentines episode. Where Sam tells Quinn to pay Finn at the kissing booth to prove that they’re not having feelings for each other again… I guess it was one way to let things go that way :/
I get that she's a dog for cheating, but it kind of bugged me how Finn never apologised this whole episode for the original reason they were fighting - he misled Rachel to believe that he was a virgin, and that was kind of important to her. I hated how she was dismissed for being upset about that, and just because it was Santana doesn't make her feelings any less valid - in fact, they probably make them more valid, because Santana was such a horrible person, especially to Rachel. I just hate that moment in this scene where Finn goes "NO MORE LIES!" as if he weren't the one lying in the first place. Their relationship is just kinda petty and toxic, at least in the early seasons.
Finn lying and not even apologizing is very wrong, but he didn't mean to harm her, he acted like a coward and it was very childish of him, but he had no bad intention. What Rachel did on the other hand is just... Perverse. Not only she cheated on him which is already wrong, but she did it especifically to get back at him, to harm him, and she even chose to cheat on Finn with the guy who would hurt him the most because that same guy literally was Finn's best friend until he got his (ex)girlfriend pregnant. What's worse, when I saw this what got me mad the most was that Puck is the one who stops it, just how far was Rachel willing to go? You just don't do that.
Okay I despise Rachel most of the time but it literally bugs me how Finn was openly willing to be with Quinn who cheated on him with Puck (with no reason), got pregnant , then lied to him about him being the father and never directly or sincerely apologized (and also had a boyfriend at the time) rather than forgiving Rachel who was hurt that he lied to her about being a virgin knowing how much it meant to her, and having to find out from Santana that he had sex with her also the fact that she apologized multiple times and he refused to budge and he kept saying he only had sex with her because they were broken up but they were only broken up because he broke up with her out of nowhere and didn't care for her until she was dating Jesse. Season 2 Finn is something ELSE!!!11
This is a 3 year old comment but I feel like this needs to be responded to for educational purposes. Finn, who was single at the time, lost his virginity to Santana (also single at the time) one year before while Rachel (who had a boyfriend at the time). Finn faced the ultimate betrayal when his long time best friend slept with his girlfriend and got her pregnant leaving Finn with a lot of trust issues. Rachel maliciously uses Finn's trauma and trust issues against him and cheats on him purposely with the same guy that got his girlfriend pregnant the year before which causes Finn to break up with Rachel. That's why Finn called Rachel mean in this scene, Rachel was being malicious which leads to him breaking up with her. Bonus: Apologizing doesn't automatically make things okay.
"I did this to Finn once before. I can't do it again." This time, Puck's looking out for his friend and felt guilt for what he did. If even he knows that something's a bad idea, then you know it will blow up in someone's face.
you know what rachel was actually a really mean person!! she cheated on jesse then tried to blame it on him then she cheated on finn annd tried to blame it on him
Stevie Tyson lmao im so sorry i wrote this before i actually saw the epiisode and someone told me that she cheated on him.... but she did try to pin the breakup on him
I don’t know if anyone realizes this but while it doesn’t 100% justify what Rachel did, the original reason they were fighting was because for the longest time Finn told Rachel he didn’t do it with Santana and when he was give the option to tell her he purposely chose not to and it was important to her yet he still lied to her. Also, while Rachel’s cheating doesn’t exactly make her a good person, Finn isn’t any better as he had an affair with Quinn who was with Sam at the time
rachel's got a pattern of getting back at people with really personal assaults. She attacks their biggest insecurities. Then when they call her out and express their hurt, she pins the break up on them! She did it to Jesse too, when she insinuated that he was always going to break her heart. She knew he had a reputation that he didn't like and she used it to hurt him.
Why isn't anybody talking about how heartbreaking the "you said you'd never break up with me!" Is... It breaks my heart every time and I love to replay it over and over bc is so sad
I think it is sad but it also makes Rachel victimize herself and put all the blame on Finn. Even though she's the one that cheated. Sorry but I wanted to say this somewhere and this felt like the right spot.
Only proves Rachel deep down is a neutered spoiled brat who thinks people are toys. It's a ginormous red flag when someone thinks its right that someone should never break up with them no matter how shitty you are to them. Imagine the insecurity it must have. caused Finn. His best friend knocked up his girlfriend and both kept it a secret, while he was stressing and preparing himself to be a father, and then the one girl he thought would be different, makes out with that very same guy
Finn: No more lies between us! 😊😊 Rachel: I want to be honest with you, I cheated on you with Puck and I’m sorry... Finn: What??? 😟 I can’t believe it! We’re over! 😡😡
He wasn't hurt because she cheated on him (like, yeah that hurts too but is not the principal point of the break up). He was hurt for the fact that she wanted to make him feel bad for make her feel better. If you love someone you don't wanna to make him feel bad. That is something so mean, but everyone has done it in some point of his life, don't blame Rachel.
Regardless of what anyone else did, said, felt, or thought, Rachel deserved to be blamed for her actions. She made the choice to try to hurt Finn, and his reaction does not come close to justifying that. Same goes for Puck. Everyone who cheats sucks for the choices they made, no matter what anyone else did. Except Brittany. She really didn't know better when she cheated.
Let me see if I understand. Finn broke up with Rachel for cheating on him with Puck but he returned with Quinn who also cheated on him with Puck and became pregnant and made him believe that the son was his? At first I understood why Finn broke up with Rachel but when he came back with Quinn he became a hypocrite. He simply wanted to end Rachel and that's it.
It happens that you should also see the context (it is true, Finn acted bad, it was horrible that he was with Quinn when she was with Sam, who was supposed to be his friend) but Rachel first got hysterical with him and I gave him a tremendous fight just for having relationships with Santana (as if he owed him some kind of explanation for something he did when he was NOT with her and it wasn't even meaningful to him because he didn't love Santana and yes Rachel and that was the difference that Rachel either didn't want see or not interpret it that way) and then betray him with Puck to "make him suffer" (in her words). At least, Quinn never wanted to hurt Sam or Finn, although we know she did, but she didn't do it with that intention but because she was confused.
Though not related to Finn... here's another case of Rachel not being a very good (friend) person.... When she thought she would get a "new boyfriend" in Blaine, knowing how Kurt felt about him.
I hate how loads of people are saying ‘even though its never ok to cheat at least she did the right thing by telling him’ - no the right thing would be to not cheat in the first place. You don’t get a free pass because you told him? Also shes not “better” than finn because she told him but he didn’t tell her about santana - they weren’t dating when it happened, he didn’t cheat, every person in the world doesnt always tell their partner everyone they were with before them.
Istg this entire scene, and this entire love tangle is such a wreck and I always hate it. Finn got cheated on, but he also cheated. Rachel cheated on Finn bc she was mad at him for lying, but they weren’t even together at the time AND she lied about the virginity thing too. Finn is hurt from what happened with Quinn, but he goes from the one being cheated on to the one who’s being cheated with, and again, HE ALSO CHEATED. And then NO ONE gets onto puck THIS TIME. Like- OMG. They all get mad at each other for things they’ve done themselves, and everyone is just so petty and vengeful😤
I don’t understand two things about Finn. 1. Why he ever got back together with Rachel after this 2. Why after being the victim of cheating two times and being extremely hurt by it did it continue after this to try and get Quinn to cheat with him without any regard for Sam at all. His “friend”. Who he would be hurting in the same way that he had been hurt so bad multiple times.
In this scene, Finn and Rachel were walking through the hallways. Rachel tells Finn, "before we started glee club, I told Mr. Shuester that 'being part of something special, makes you special'. And I don't know, I think i just lost that somewhere along the way, but winning that way at Sectionals, it really reminded me of it." Finn asks her, "are we a part of something special? You and me?" They both stop and stand in front of each other. Rachel replies, "yes." "I love you." Finn says to her. Then they both hug each other. Then Finn says, "no more lying. Ever." Rachel tells him, "There's, uh, something that i need to tell you." Then she takes him aside and tells him, "last week, when we were fighting, I was so mad at you, and I was so hurt that I wanted to make you feel as bad as I felt." The scene cuts to Rachel and Puck making out in her bedroom. Puck stops as Rachel asks him, "is something wrong? Did I bite you again?" Puck tells her, "I did this to Finn once before, I can't do it again." Both Puck and Rachel look guilty. "I'm sorry, I have to go." He says as he leaves. Then the scene goes back to Rachel and Finn. Rachel tells Finn, "I'm so sorry, and it will never, ever happen again." Finn is so taken aback at this. He says, "I knew you were a lot of things, Rachel. And l loved you in spite of all that, but.....I never thought you were mean." Rachel says, "I'm saying that I'm sorry, and...doesn't what you did with Santana kind of cancel this out?" "We weren't together!" Finn reminds her. "I didn't cheat on you. How could you do this to me?" "It was a mistake!" Rachel tells him. "Maybe we should go to another counseling session with Ms. Pillsbury." "Can't have couples counseling if you're not a couple." Finn says to her as he walks away. "You're breaking up with me?" Rachel asks as she goes after him. Finn tells her, "what you did was really bad, Rachel. And you knew how sensitive I'd be about this, after what happened with Quinn." He walks away again, while Rachel goes after him again, and says, "you said you'd never break up with me!" Finn stops again, turns around, looks at Rachel and says, "I never thought you'd make me feel like this." Then he turns and walks away again, leaving Rachel in tears as the bell rings.
What if? A few days later before Thanksgiving break A teacher went to the glee club after overhearing Will vent to Emma in the teachers lounge and loudly and harshly yelled at them for they all acted to each other during sectionals fighting for the dumbest things The teacher threw a comb at Artie and Brittany for them fighting over a f word comb, and saying hurtful things to Quinn, Santana and everyone else and tells the glee club if they don't want to work together they can just leave and keep their distance towards each other and they all needed to grow up giving them a very harsh reality check Then Rachel is taken to a empty classroom and Rachel is scolded very harshly for how she acted and told to understand that everything is not always about her and she needs to give other people a shot once in a while and then Rachel made a remark causing the teacher in a fit of rage to punch Rachel in the face twice one extra to make her break up with Finn even worse and Rachel is kicked out of the glee club permanently And whoever members of the club were in the teachers class is given automatic F's by the teacher
So sad. Thank god Rachel didn't commit suicide. I actually almost killed myself after a girl brokeup with me. Had a break down in front of the girl I had at the time.
still such a shitty thing to do “i wanted to make you feel as bad as i felt” that’s so fucking toxic and petty, this is why i hated finchel🙄🙄🙄finn wasn’t even with rachel when he and santana had sex, yeah it was wrong of finn to lie but she shouldn’t have been THAT mad to the point where she ACTUALLY cheats on finn. the fact that she thought saying “sorry” would fix this and “cancel it out” along with the fact that puck was the one who had to walk away first because he’s already done this to finn with quinn before. (not saying he’s innocent.) her saying “you said you’d never break up with me.” sounds so manipulative as well. gross
This scene in my opinion proved Rachel never deserved Finn. Yes Finn was no saint, but she ruthlessly tried to destroy him over a lie and if Puck wouldn’t have stopped it, she probably would have slept with him.
This some serious bullshit, they weren’t even together why would she need to get back at him for that. Granted Finn probably should have told Rachel that he was with Santana as they literally see each other every day but what Rachel did was wrong(like basically everything else she does)
They are sooooo horrible together, they can't help but drive each other nuts. I think they both love the idea of the other person not the actual person. Its like a toxic cycle over and over.
what makes me so mad about Finn is that he got mad at her and quinn for cheating. Did he forget that he cheated on Quinn in season 1 with Rachel? twice?? and confessed he had feelings for rachel when he just found out his gf was pregnant ?!
that.s getting hand here Rachel trying to cheat with Finn about Quinn about Noah season 1 and season 4 are not dating with Rachel is treat people getting shocked i.m feel sad about Quinn and Finn getting fighting with Noah his baby Noah did made that up did not told Finn or Quinn everybody need to moved on
Can I just say that I may not be the biggest Rachel fan out there but her cheating on Finn was so ooc? She couldn’t even cheat on Jesse, but she could cheat on Finn? The guy she’s been pining for? Why are you all grilling Finn too about the Santana situation? Sure he kept it from her but at least it happened when they weren’t seeing each other. But let’s talk about Finn cheating on Quinn in the earlier episodes too. This show really handles cheating poorly.
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No, she tried to but Finn rejected Santana because he loved Rachel more than. And they were together, they were in the middle of a fight, but they never officially broke up, which means they were still in a relationship, which means she cheated on him.
I don't know why I feel like this but I feel bad for Rachel. Yea she is spoiled and stuck up but her sad face expressions strike me right in the heart. I mean she may deserve is but I still feel bad
"You said you'd never break up with me!" Once again, Rachel infamously tries to make herself the victim. I understand Finn lied to her, but Rachel was the one that took things too far. Let's take things from the top. For one thing, they were not together when Finn slept with Santana, so it's not like Finn cheated. Not every aspect of Finn's personal life was her business. Second, she also lied to Finn by saying she slept with Jesse when she didn't. Then, during her and Finn's counseling session, when all poor Finn wanted was to change the subject, she kept pressing for answers and behaved in an immature and unproductive manner. Next, she cheats on him with his best friend, Puck, describing her motive as wanting to emotionally hurt him. This becomes even more of a personal attack on Finn, because she knows he was cheated on before in the past. (You know, when Quinn got pregnant with Puck's baby.) Finally, when Finn justifiably dumps her, she decides to play the victim card, even though the whole situation was completely her own fault to begin with. She took one little white lie and escalated things to a whole new level, betraying her boyfriend's trust and then ultimately costing her their relationship. So yeah, I'm definitely on Team Finn here.
Rachel should have been harshly scolded for how she acted during this episode and then punched in the face and permanently kicked out of the club also the glee club should have been given a STERN harsh lecture for they acted as well for fighting for the dumbest things and told to grow up and if they didn't want to sing together they can just leave the club
I'm not justifying Rachel's behavior in this, I mean it's completely unacceptable,and she honestly did deserve Finn breaking up with her.the thing I do hate is that people are thinking it was okay for Finn to sleep with Santanna and not tell her about it, none of it would have happen if he was honest and again that's not me defending rachel.But look back on season one when her and Jessie were dating, Finn was trying to make her jealous by sleeping with Santanna who is known as the school's slut and who Rachel hates even more than Quinn which is saying something. Plus Finn knew about the video of run Joey run, he didn't know about the other guys, but he thought just he was going to be the only one in it which is even worse.He was basically allowing her to do that to Jesse,but suddenly when it was all three of the guys it wasn't okay.But this isn't me hating on Finn, this is me saying the faults in the writing of this show.
To be fair, Finn liked Rachel and hated/was jealous of Jesse for being with her so I can see why he was okay with doing the Run Joey Run video. Also he didn't tell Rachel about him sleeping with Santana because:1)it didn't mean anything to him. 2) his intention, in my opinion, was kinda nice. He mainly did it with Santana because Rachel was gonna do it with Jesse, but when she told him she couldn't go through with it, he didn't tell her because he didn't want to hurt her. Also lying about losing your virginity to protect someone you care about, isn't as bad as cheating on someone for the sole purpose of hurting them. ( just my opinion on the matter)
This scene proves Rachel never deserved Finn. Yes Finn was no angel, but she literally tried to destroy him over something so petty. Should Finn had confessed he slept with Santana when she admitted she never slept with Jesse? 100% but his intention was to not hurt her because he knew she’d be upset if she knew he slept with Santana. And yes it was messed up of Finn to torpedo the relationship between Sam and Quinn, but he was a teenager who just had his heart destroyed by someone he thought would never do that to him.
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I find it funny how everyone is mad at Rachel or Finn but no one thinks about Puck messing with the girlfriend of his "best friend" AGAIN.
At least he stopped himself this time. Though he shouldn't have started to begin with, but still...
Also this time Rachel was the enforcer, not Puck
I think everyone knows Puck is one of the worsts characters on glee lol
They're both pretty rotten. Rachel wanted to mess around with his best friend. It's not enough for her to hurt him, she has to fuck up his friendship too.
Why would someone be mad at Finn???
Man that was real manipulative on Rachel’s part trying to play the victim “You said you’d never breakup with me”
@@lemonade507 by playing the victim ahe ia being manipulative. that is a manipulation tactic
@@lemonade507 here is one of the definitions of victim playing online. easily searchable on google
Manipulators often play the victim role ("woe is me") by portraying themselves as victims of circumstances or someone else's behavior in order to gain pity or sympathy or to evoke compassion and thereby get something from someone
Rachel is manipulative
This is by far my least favorite Rachel moment from Glee. WTF WAS SHE THINKING!?! Oh wait, SHE WASN’T!
she did it with Jessie too, right after introducing Run Joey Run and Jessie broke up with her, she said "I knew you were going to break my heart" and she was the one who hurt him with that clip.
When that music started playing at 0:56 I new stuff was going to go all the way down 😂😂
Jordan.tolitforu Tay tay i love that comment
I was just thinking this! LOL 😂
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"We can't have couples counseling if we're not a couple." 🔥🔥🔥Burned!🔥🔥🔥
so Finn breaks up with Quinn before sectionals and breaks up with Rachel after sectionals.
He had reasons to break up with them both of them were bitches to him. They deserved it.
Pianist with Attitude CJ Lynn it was two different years/ seasons
Taylor T He cheated on people too.
The only time he cheated was when he kissed Rachel. And it was still wrong, why wouldn't finn not break up with Rachel. She still cheated on him with another guy.
Pianist with Attitunes CJ Lynn what episode is this
I think it's interesting that Puck's the one with the conscience and doesn't want to hurt Finn. How far was Rachel willing to go if Puck hadn't stopped them just to 'pay Finn back'? It's incredibly cruel of her.
I think she's Asperger's, though unacknowledged on the show. She often doesn't seem to recognize the emotions of those around her, or the possible impact of her actions on others.
Ariadne Wolf
It’s unfair to assume the reason why she acts like that is due to Aspergers. I’m pretty sure she’s just overly conceited and just trying to play the victim wayyy too much. Like. Way. Too. Much.
@@amandahuang9767 In think you're right that it doesn't matter why. She does play the victim. She invented it.
Rachel does this a lot. She dates Jesse to make Finn jealous. She hooks up with Puck to make Finn jealous. She has an open sexual relationship with Brody in New York....to make Finn jealous. The last one is especially tragic because Finn died. She spent the last few years Finn was alive banging a guy (a gigolo) that she didn’t love. The time with Finn was limited because he died young and she wasted so much of that time trying to make Finn jealous
@@youtubecommenter37 literally watching an episode now where she asks Puck to sing with her to make Finn jealous 😂
He cheated on Quinn with her though? And then proceeded to go after Quinn whilst she was with Sam, loool. Was there anyone in this show who didn't cheat?
Santana and Brittany never cheated on each other
Tatyannna Santana cheated on Brittany in Season 4
laci0luvs0fashion no she didnt a girl smiled at her and she smiled back thats not cheating
Tatyannna She kissed Dani
Spiral Universe they broken up then
Whenever Finchel breaks up he goes to Quinn
Off course. Can't stay away from her forever. ;D
That's because she will always be his first love, and he feels fireworks with her, something he has never felt with anyone else.
Chiara Farmer I'm confused. If Finn only had fireworks with Quinn then why did his feelings for Rachel ended up with him breaking up with Quinn for good towards the end of series/season 2?
no..what he had with Quinn was more like a big attraction or passion if you will..but..and the latest seasons he had real love with rachel
I have to give Rachel props for being painfully honest here. She trusted Finn, while Finn was too chicken to be honest about Santana.
true
Except Finn lying about being a virgin is nowhere near cheating.
Thatleftyjames finn cheated on quin with Rachel in the first season tho
Finn wasn’t dating Rachel when he got with Santana. And Rachel was dating someone else and was even planning on sex with him. Finn didn’t cheat on Rachel
Okay but Finn wasn’t dating Rachel when he slept with Santana. It had nothing to do with Rachel and he didn’t have to tell her. Rachel, on the other hand, was dating Finn when she tried to sleep with Puck. It’s a very different situation and Finn deserved to know since she’s his girlfriend.
I don’t get how gets mad at Rachel for cheating on him then runs back to Quinn who is not only cheating but also had someone else’s baby that last season with his best friend...
Foxiixmz also Finn was a cheater
Tatyannna I know which literally makes things a tad worse.. and then he had Quinn cheat on Sam with him in Season 2..
Foxiixmz I love how so many are making Rachel out to be the bad one and I'm not saying what she did was right because clearly it wasn't but Fin is just s culpable.
The baby thing is totally swept under the rug.
@@chillstudy8223 Yeah that counts?!?! They were still together AND he didn‘t know about Quinn cheating. In his mind, their relationship was normal and happy etc. and he cheated. It counts!
no one is required to disclose their sexual orientation and he wasnt WITH RACHEL. lying isnt good but its certainly better than cheating
She ruined her own relationship. She tried to cover it up by saying that Finn sleeping with Santana LAST YEAR AND THEY WERNT TOGETHER canceled out the fact she cheated on Finn. Also she acted really thirsty for Finn trying to get him back the whole season. The worst part is she cheated on Finn with the same guy who made Finn break up with Quinn. Sorry for the rant.
You are my queen
Chiara Farmer thanks?
It was a compliment
Chiara Farmer Oh. Thanks 😌
But then finn wanted Quinn to cheat on Sam
I want to make a few things clear here, for those who defend Rachel:
1. Finn had every right not to reveal anything about his sex life, if he didn't want to. After all, it is personal and belongs to your own privacy.
2. As much as Finn explained it, Rachel didn't want to see that Finn's first sexual experience with Santana never meant anything to him. Maybe that's why he didn't want to tell her.
3. Rachel was upset that he didn't tell her, and having sex was important to her, because she wanted the two of them to lose their virginity together. I emphasize that this desire came only from her.
4. Rachel had also lied to him and told Finn that she had already had sex with Jesse.
5. Finn has never complained to Rachel for lying to him, not even when he thought she had sex with Jesse. Why? BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TOGETHER.
6. Many believe that Rachel got mad because he did it to Santana, and she revealed in the episode that she would have understood if Finn had slept with Quinn. Both Quinn and Santana are horrible to her, so what would be the difference? I think that would have hurt her more, because Finn loved Quinn and she was always above Rachel (which is why she paid him to have Quinn seduce Finn and see if he was faithful to her, which increases the point that she is fucking crazy, but nobody remembers that anymore)
7. She betrayed him on purpose to make him suffer. Finn went to bed with Santana because he wanted to, not to hurt Rachel (they weren't together after all) maybe to make her jealous, but not to hurt her, but he still apologized to her.
But it was actually important to reveal if you are not a virgin to your partner, remember what Holly said? When you sleep with someone you sleep with everyone the slept with before, and considering it was Santana that’s pretty heavy. What if Rachel considered to only use a pill and not protection and Finn had something? What if Rachel decided she didn’t want to have sex with someone who wasn’t a virgin? That detail was important to her and he knew that, false statements to get sex is a form of rape. He should’ve told her when she told him about Jesse, if they were both lying to each other, but her lie wasn’t as important, it only meant she actually was a virgin and had not sleep with anyone else. He decided to keep lying to her, blatantly so. For a great part of their relationship and he wasn’t stupid enough to not know that it would hurt her, and he put her in the position where everyone knew except for her, so it wasn’t “personal” enough for him, he just didn’t want HER to know, and that allowed Santana to humiliate her in front of everyone else. Making someone jealous can actually hurt people, we saw it cause when she lied to him it hurt him that she slept with someone else. And yes she cheat, it was wrong, but what he did was wrong too, he hurt her, and he knew lying was going to hurt her, but he kept it going. She knew it would hurt him and she wanted to, but she at least she was honest with him, but of course all mighty Finn wanted to play the victim.
I still defend Rachel yes she was in the wrong but her one mistake dose not change how he treated her through the rest of the season especially how he acted at prom when she was having fun not pinning away over his ass
She paid "who" to have Quinn seduce Finn ?
I see your point, but I don't think you have to worry about anyone defending Rachel.
@@rhondalong152 I think that was the Valentines episode. Where Sam tells Quinn to pay Finn at the kissing booth to prove that they’re not having feelings for each other again…
I guess it was one way to let things go that way :/
I get that she's a dog for cheating, but it kind of bugged me how Finn never apologised this whole episode for the original reason they were fighting - he misled Rachel to believe that he was a virgin, and that was kind of important to her. I hated how she was dismissed for being upset about that, and just because it was Santana doesn't make her feelings any less valid - in fact, they probably make them more valid, because Santana was such a horrible person, especially to Rachel.
I just hate that moment in this scene where Finn goes "NO MORE LIES!" as if he weren't the one lying in the first place. Their relationship is just kinda petty and toxic, at least in the early seasons.
PREACH
I know, I mean at least she didn't lie about it for months like he did.
Finn lying and not even apologizing is very wrong, but he didn't mean to harm her, he acted like a coward and it was very childish of him, but he had no bad intention. What Rachel did on the other hand is just... Perverse. Not only she cheated on him which is already wrong, but she did it especifically to get back at him, to harm him, and she even chose to cheat on Finn with the guy who would hurt him the most because that same guy literally was Finn's best friend until he got his (ex)girlfriend pregnant. What's worse, when I saw this what got me mad the most was that Puck is the one who stops it, just how far was Rachel willing to go?
You just don't do that.
well he only mislead her because it didn't mean anything to him when he did it with Santana
real
Okay I despise Rachel most of the time but it literally bugs me how Finn was openly willing to be with Quinn who cheated on him with Puck (with no reason), got pregnant , then lied to him about him being the father and never directly or sincerely apologized (and also had a boyfriend at the time) rather than forgiving Rachel who was hurt that he lied to her about being a virgin knowing how much it meant to her, and having to find out from Santana that he had sex with her also the fact that she apologized multiple times and he refused to budge and he kept saying he only had sex with her because they were broken up but they were only broken up because he broke up with her out of nowhere and didn't care for her until she was dating Jesse. Season 2 Finn is something ELSE!!!11
thank you
This is a 3 year old comment but I feel like this needs to be responded to for educational purposes. Finn, who was single at the time, lost his virginity to Santana (also single at the time) one year before while Rachel (who had a boyfriend at the time). Finn faced the ultimate betrayal when his long time best friend slept with his girlfriend and got her pregnant leaving Finn with a lot of trust issues.
Rachel maliciously uses Finn's trauma and trust issues against him and cheats on him purposely with the same guy that got his girlfriend pregnant the year before which causes Finn to break up with Rachel. That's why Finn called Rachel mean in this scene, Rachel was being malicious which leads to him breaking up with her.
Bonus: Apologizing doesn't automatically make things okay.
"I did this to Finn once before. I can't do it again." This time, Puck's looking out for his friend and felt guilt for what he did. If even he knows that something's a bad idea, then you know it will blow up in someone's face.
you know what rachel was actually a really mean person!! she cheated on jesse then tried to blame it on him then she cheated on finn annd tried to blame it on him
Weñdÿ Çördüroÿ she didn't cheated on Jesse
Stevie Tyson lmao im so sorry i wrote this before i actually saw the epiisode and someone told me that she cheated on him.... but she did try to pin the breakup on him
Weñdÿ Çördüroÿ it's ok lmao 😂
She didn't cheat on Jesse but cheated on Brody, + kissed Finn while he was in a relationship
He used her tf?😂
Lol he didn’t think she was mean? She literally sent someone to a crack house because she was jealous of her talent. How is that not mean?
And Finn called a gay guy a fag and a DS baby retarded, whats ur point? lol
@@assyrianprincess3 that Rachel's mean what else?
i get where you’re coming from but that doesn’t really have anything to do with the specific storyline here so it doesn’t really matter.
Mean as in to hurt him emotionally. Please stop being dumb challenge.
It’s more selfish than mean.
I don’t know if anyone realizes this but while it doesn’t 100% justify what Rachel did, the original reason they were fighting was because for the longest time Finn told Rachel he didn’t do it with Santana and when he was give the option to tell her he purposely chose not to and it was important to her yet he still lied to her. Also, while Rachel’s cheating doesn’t exactly make her a good person, Finn isn’t any better as he had an affair with Quinn who was with Sam at the time
Why does she always victimize herself
"You said you'd never break up with me"
What did she expect to happen? They go to the extra counseling appointment then everything would be okay again?
At that moment...
Rachel realized...
That she really screwed up.
rachel might be annoying but whenever she's crying, it just hurts
Rachel had such abusive tendencies that's why I can't stand her,.
Finally someone who understands.
I can't stand her either
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
I agree.
I don't like her, but I like her more than Santana
FINN DIDNT EVEN CHEAT ON HER - BLIMY SHE IS LOW
Rachel was low. She changed
You Forget That Finn Was Urging Quinn To Cheat On Sam With Him. That Ain't Much Better.
Alexis Gaming also Finn cheated on Quinn with Rachel, and when Rachel and Quinn cheated on him he wants to act all innocent
he did cheat on quinn season one though and tried to get quinn to cheat on sam
rachel's got a pattern of getting back at people with really personal assaults. She attacks their biggest insecurities. Then when they call her out and express their hurt, she pins the break up on them! She did it to Jesse too, when she insinuated that he was always going to break her heart. She knew he had a reputation that he didn't like and she used it to hurt him.
Why isn't anybody talking about how heartbreaking the "you said you'd never break up with me!" Is... It breaks my heart every time and I love to replay it over and over bc is so sad
I think it is sad but it also makes Rachel victimize herself and put all the blame on Finn. Even though she's the one that cheated. Sorry but I wanted to say this somewhere and this felt like the right spot.
It's hella manipulative
it’s manipulative
It's called emotional manipulation. That's actually worse than what she did with Puck because it shows she's not trustworthy
Only proves Rachel deep down is a neutered spoiled brat who thinks people are toys. It's a ginormous red flag when someone thinks its right that someone should never break up with them no matter how shitty you are to them. Imagine the insecurity it must have. caused Finn. His best friend knocked up his girlfriend and both kept it a secret, while he was stressing and preparing himself to be a father, and then the one girl he thought would be different, makes out with that very same guy
As soon as you hear the
Doooooo
Dooodoo
Doooodoooodoo
Music things are about to get real
Words🤣🤣
Finn: No more lies between us! 😊😊
Rachel: I want to be honest with you, I cheated on you with Puck and I’m sorry...
Finn: What??? 😟 I can’t believe it! We’re over! 😡😡
that's too bad she sucks in relationships
He wasn't hurt because she cheated on him (like, yeah that hurts too but is not the principal point of the break up). He was hurt for the fact that she wanted to make him feel bad for make her feel better. If you love someone you don't wanna to make him feel bad. That is something so mean, but everyone has done it in some point of his life, don't blame Rachel.
Regardless of what anyone else did, said, felt, or thought, Rachel deserved to be blamed for her actions. She made the choice to try to hurt Finn, and his reaction does not come close to justifying that.
Same goes for Puck.
Everyone who cheats sucks for the choices they made, no matter what anyone else did.
Except Brittany. She really didn't know better when she cheated.
I love these songs
Dk why it randomly recommended me this after ages but that line " can't have couple's counselling if you're not a couple" still makes me go waohhh😂
Rachel is so spiteful.
Puck just can't keep his hands off of Finn's girls, can he?
Let me see if I understand. Finn broke up with Rachel for cheating on him with Puck but he returned with Quinn who also cheated on him with Puck and became pregnant and made him believe that the son was his? At first I understood why Finn broke up with Rachel but when he came back with Quinn he became a hypocrite. He simply wanted to end Rachel and that's it.
It happens that you should also see the context (it is true, Finn acted bad, it was horrible that he was with Quinn when she was with Sam, who was supposed to be his friend) but Rachel first got hysterical with him and I gave him a tremendous fight just for having relationships with Santana (as if he owed him some kind of explanation for something he did when he was NOT with her and it wasn't even meaningful to him because he didn't love Santana and yes Rachel and that was the difference that Rachel either didn't want see or not interpret it that way) and then betray him with Puck to "make him suffer" (in her words). At least, Quinn never wanted to hurt Sam or Finn, although we know she did, but she didn't do it with that intention but because she was confused.
the music though!!!!
U know when that "DoDoDoDoDo" music comes on, its not bout to be good 😅
can u upload we got the beat performance 3x01
"you said you'd never break up with me" wow Rachel, really??? And that still makes it ok for you to cheat on Finn?
this is late, but exactly how i feel!
Though not related to Finn... here's another case of Rachel not being a very good (friend) person....
When she thought she would get a "new boyfriend" in Blaine, knowing how Kurt felt about him.
I can’t imagine being in the background of then listening to them argue.
He was spot on to split up with her. He never cheated on her. Not once. And with the whole Quinn/Puck thing? Having Puck do it was cold asf
THAT FREAKIN BELL😂😂
To Rachel the ends always justified the means unless it was done to her.
Perfect relationship
I hate how loads of people are saying ‘even though its never ok to cheat at least she did the right thing by telling him’ - no the right thing would be to not cheat in the first place. You don’t get a free pass because you told him? Also shes not “better” than finn because she told him but he didn’t tell her about santana - they weren’t dating when it happened, he didn’t cheat, every person in the world doesnt always tell their partner everyone they were with before them.
the pain :(
Istg this entire scene, and this entire love tangle is such a wreck and I always hate it. Finn got cheated on, but he also cheated. Rachel cheated on Finn bc she was mad at him for lying, but they weren’t even together at the time AND she lied about the virginity thing too. Finn is hurt from what happened with Quinn, but he goes from the one being cheated on to the one who’s being cheated with, and again, HE ALSO CHEATED. And then NO ONE gets onto puck THIS TIME. Like- OMG. They all get mad at each other for things they’ve done themselves, and everyone is just so petty and vengeful😤
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Did Rachel ever get taught that “sorry” can’t fix everything
She needed to learn that she doesn't understand the meaning of "I'm Sorry" also punched in the face and kicked out of the glee club PERMANENTLY
I don’t understand two things about Finn.
1. Why he ever got back together with Rachel after this
2. Why after being the victim of cheating two times and being extremely hurt by it did it continue after this to try and get Quinn to cheat with him without any regard for Sam at all. His “friend”. Who he would be hurting in the same way that he had been hurt so bad multiple times.
RacRachel cheating was bad but Fin isn't exactly a saint in this situation either because he lied to her about being a vergen.
Finn lied to protect her feelings, not well thought out but he wasn’t trying to hurt her. Rachel cheated to destroy him. Major difference
Puck ain’t nothing but the worst “friend” ever, this is the second time he’s violated his friendship w/ Finn.
I literally didnt even feel bad......A GOOD FI A HAR STILLZ (im jamaican sooooo:)
Poor Finn ...
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Good on ya Finn.
“I never thought you were mean” How tho? 😂😅
of all people though... why puck!? even rachel can do better
Finn needs to stay single
In this scene, Finn and Rachel were walking through the hallways.
Rachel tells Finn, "before we started glee club, I told Mr. Shuester that 'being part of something special, makes you special'.
And I don't know, I think i just lost that somewhere along the way, but winning that way at Sectionals, it really reminded me of it."
Finn asks her, "are we a part of something special? You and me?"
They both stop and stand in front of each other. Rachel replies, "yes."
"I love you." Finn says to her.
Then they both hug each other. Then Finn says, "no more lying. Ever."
Rachel tells him, "There's, uh, something that i need to tell you."
Then she takes him aside and tells him, "last week, when we were fighting, I was so mad at you, and I was so hurt that I wanted to make you feel as bad as I felt."
The scene cuts to Rachel and Puck making out in her bedroom.
Puck stops as Rachel asks him, "is something wrong? Did I bite you again?"
Puck tells her, "I did this to Finn once before, I can't do it again."
Both Puck and Rachel look guilty.
"I'm sorry, I have to go." He says as he leaves.
Then the scene goes back to Rachel and Finn.
Rachel tells Finn, "I'm so sorry, and it will never, ever happen again."
Finn is so taken aback at this. He says, "I knew you were a lot of things, Rachel.
And l loved you in spite of all that, but.....I never thought you were mean."
Rachel says, "I'm saying that I'm sorry, and...doesn't what you did with Santana kind of cancel this out?"
"We weren't together!" Finn reminds her.
"I didn't cheat on you. How could you do this to me?"
"It was a mistake!" Rachel tells him. "Maybe we should go to another counseling session with Ms. Pillsbury."
"Can't have couples counseling if you're not a couple." Finn says to her as he walks away.
"You're breaking up with me?" Rachel asks as she goes after him.
Finn tells her, "what you did was really bad, Rachel.
And you knew how sensitive I'd be about this, after what happened with Quinn."
He walks away again, while Rachel goes after him again, and says, "you said you'd never break up with me!"
Finn stops again, turns around, looks at Rachel and says, "I never thought you'd make me feel like this."
Then he turns and walks away again, leaving Rachel in tears as the bell rings.
What if?
A few days later before Thanksgiving break
A teacher went to the glee club after overhearing Will vent to Emma in the teachers lounge and loudly and harshly yelled at them for they all acted to each other during sectionals fighting for the dumbest things
The teacher threw a comb at Artie and Brittany for them fighting over a f word comb, and saying hurtful things to Quinn, Santana and everyone else and tells the glee club if they don't want to work together they can just leave and keep their distance towards each other and they all needed to grow up giving them a very harsh reality check
Then Rachel is taken to a empty classroom and Rachel is scolded very harshly for how she acted and told to understand that everything is not always about her and she needs to give other people a shot once in a while and then Rachel made a remark causing the teacher in a fit of rage to punch Rachel in the face twice one extra to make her break up with Finn even worse and Rachel is kicked out of the glee club permanently
And whoever members of the club were in the teachers class is given automatic F's by the teacher
If I was a guy I’d never date her she’s to clingy
Jen’s Vids and victimy. Everything is always about her. She would be a nightmare to be married to. Finn escaped
@@youtubecommenter37 " finn escaped" he literaly died ....
Jeez it’s a show she’s not like that in real life calm down she is so devastated about losing him been thought it’s been 7 years
So sad. Thank god Rachel didn't commit suicide. I actually almost killed myself after a girl brokeup with me. Had a break down in front of the girl I had at the time.
It's sad but Rachel deserved it.
Michael I. Haber God bless you. He loves you.
Ish I did but little did I know later she was a user. Things happen for a reason in the end.
Spellcaster86 This was High School when it happened.... Rough time in my life. First relationship breakups are always rough.
I'm sorry for what happened to you. Also it wasn't just hard on Rachel. Finn got cheated on. He did have every right to break up with her.
When I saw puck and Rachel kissing I literally said “ewwww.” Lol
I HATED Rachel in this scene and for what she did. But I still do ship Finchel. I also hated Rachel but I love/loved Lea.
Katelyn Fruchtl exactly how I feel!
Lea Michelle pretty much is a real-life Rachel. An entitled, bratty, diva that can't stand sharing the spotlight.
still such a shitty thing to do “i wanted to make you feel as bad as i felt” that’s so fucking toxic and petty, this is why i hated finchel🙄🙄🙄finn wasn’t even with rachel when he and santana had sex, yeah it was wrong of finn to lie but she shouldn’t have been THAT mad to the point where she ACTUALLY cheats on finn. the fact that she thought saying “sorry” would fix this and “cancel it out” along with the fact that puck was the one who had to walk away first because he’s already done this to finn with quinn before. (not saying he’s innocent.) her saying “you said you’d never break up with me.” sounds so manipulative as well. gross
This scene in my opinion proved Rachel never deserved Finn. Yes Finn was no saint, but she ruthlessly tried to destroy him over a lie and if Puck wouldn’t have stopped it, she probably would have slept with him.
Rachel should’ve let Finn go in Season 1 like he ain’t worth the heartbreak… he literally goes back and forth
Dude he slept with Santana
They werent dating at that point tho. She was with jessie
Even though this is a breakup scene
Istg they’re such couple goals. Still waiting for the Finn to my Rachel to sing duets with
This is note the first time Rachel cheated on finn she cheated on him with jessie and she cheated on him with brody poor finn rip cory
They're both cheaters and they are both toxic liars. I honestly was laughing every time they broke up.
Rachel be like: i'm mad at you for sleeping with santana a year ago when we weren't together so i'm gonna cheat on you
I’ve always hated Rachel expect for like season 4 but even after that still dumb af 😂
Rachel must be having an existent ial crisis here
did I bite you again?
1:55 I literally died
This some serious bullshit, they weren’t even together why would she need to get back at him for that. Granted Finn probably should have told Rachel that he was with Santana as they literally see each other every day but what Rachel did was wrong(like basically everything else she does)
Puck did this to Finn TWICE. Why doesn't anyone talk about how shitty of a friend he is?
I cannot stand her.
Finn you a cheater too so like yall deserve each other
They are sooooo horrible together, they can't help but drive each other nuts. I think they both love the idea of the other person not the actual person. Its like a toxic cycle over and over.
Rachel is my favorite in Glee
what makes me so mad about Finn is that he got mad at her and quinn for cheating. Did he forget that he cheated on Quinn in season 1 with Rachel? twice?? and confessed he had feelings for rachel when he just found out his gf was pregnant ?!
Like that's
that.s getting hand here Rachel trying to cheat with Finn about Quinn about Noah season 1 and season 4 are not dating with Rachel is treat people getting shocked i.m feel sad about Quinn and Finn getting fighting with Noah his baby Noah did made that up did not told Finn or Quinn everybody need to moved on
She should deserve better than that
Can I just say that I may not be the biggest Rachel fan out there but her cheating on Finn was so ooc? She couldn’t even cheat on Jesse, but she could cheat on Finn? The guy she’s been pining for? Why are you all grilling Finn too about the Santana situation? Sure he kept it from her but at least it happened when they weren’t seeing each other. But let’s talk about Finn cheating on Quinn in the earlier episodes too. This show really handles cheating poorly.
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I dont know if I remember correctly but were they even together when she kissed puck???
Well Finn didn't tell Rachel, Santana told Rachel in Glee in front of everyone
Shaneal Gray yes she kissed him again when her and finn were dating
No, she tried to but Finn rejected Santana because he loved Rachel more than. And they were together, they were in the middle of a fight, but they never officially broke up, which means they were still in a relationship, which means she cheated on him.
Chiara Farmer No Santana and finn still did it
Chiara Farmer but yea your right
Finn was right to dream up with her
I don't know why I feel like this but I feel bad for Rachel. Yea she is spoiled and stuck up but her sad face expressions strike me right in the heart. I mean she may deserve is but I still feel bad
Gifted GamerTV after what she did in not
That faces makes me want to punch her
She did it to herself
Horribly spoiled. Sociopath-spoiled.
Hi Finn and
Finn git. More mad. At. Rachel
what did he mean after what happen to quin
"You said you'd never break up with me!" Once again, Rachel infamously tries to make herself the victim. I understand Finn lied to her, but Rachel was the one that took things too far. Let's take things from the top. For one thing, they were not together when Finn slept with Santana, so it's not like Finn cheated. Not every aspect of Finn's personal life was her business. Second, she also lied to Finn by saying she slept with Jesse when she didn't. Then, during her and Finn's counseling session, when all poor Finn wanted was to change the subject, she kept pressing for answers and behaved in an immature and unproductive manner. Next, she cheats on him with his best friend, Puck, describing her motive as wanting to emotionally hurt him. This becomes even more of a personal attack on Finn, because she knows he was cheated on before in the past. (You know, when Quinn got pregnant with Puck's baby.) Finally, when Finn justifiably dumps her, she decides to play the victim card, even though the whole situation was completely her own fault to begin with. She took one little white lie and escalated things to a whole new level, betraying her boyfriend's trust and then ultimately costing her their relationship. So yeah, I'm definitely on Team Finn here.
The trio of puck, rachel and finn is so toxic
she brought that on herself
Rachel should have been harshly scolded for how she acted during this episode and then punched in the face and permanently kicked out of the club also the glee club should have been given a STERN harsh lecture for they acted as well for fighting for the dumbest things and told to grow up and if they didn't want to sing together they can just leave the club
I'm not justifying Rachel's behavior in this, I mean it's completely unacceptable,and she honestly did deserve Finn breaking up with her.the thing I do hate is that people are thinking it was okay for Finn to sleep with Santanna and not tell her about it, none of it would have happen if he was honest and again that's not me defending rachel.But look back on season one when her and Jessie were dating, Finn was trying to make her jealous by sleeping with Santanna who is known as the school's slut and who Rachel hates even more than Quinn which is saying something. Plus Finn knew about the video of run Joey run, he didn't know about the other guys, but he thought just he was going to be the only one in it which is even worse.He was basically allowing her to do that to Jesse,but suddenly when it was all three of the guys it wasn't okay.But this isn't me hating on Finn, this is me saying the faults in the writing of this show.
To be fair, Finn liked Rachel and hated/was jealous of Jesse for being with her so I can see why he was okay with doing the Run Joey Run video. Also he didn't tell Rachel about him sleeping with Santana because:1)it didn't mean anything to him. 2) his intention, in my opinion, was kinda nice. He mainly did it with Santana because Rachel was gonna do it with Jesse, but when she told him she couldn't go through with it, he didn't tell her because he didn't want to hurt her. Also lying about losing your virginity to protect someone you care about, isn't as bad as cheating on someone for the sole purpose of hurting them. ( just my opinion on the matter)
people shouldn't need to speak about their personal sex life. it can be super personal.
This scene proves Rachel never deserved Finn. Yes Finn was no angel, but she literally tried to destroy him over something so petty. Should Finn had confessed he slept with Santana when she admitted she never slept with Jesse? 100% but his intention was to not hurt her because he knew she’d be upset if she knew he slept with Santana. And yes it was messed up of Finn to torpedo the relationship between Sam and Quinn, but he was a teenager who just had his heart destroyed by someone he thought would never do that to him.
She really thought that after cheating he would still be with her just because he said that he would never break up with her? Wtf is this show doing?
What the hell is wrong with puck tho?
TEAM FINN!!!!!