Ford had extensive worldwide competition efforts in the 60's, while Mopar stayed home and put cheap horsepower into the hands of the working class hot rodder. I'm glad they both did what they did.
@JackF99 You make a great point! Both Ford and Mopar had their unique approaches to performance, and it’s fascinating to see how they shaped the automotive landscape. i am curious to look further into the ford factory NHRA team around this era
@@mickangio16 The hemi roadrunners were like another 400 bucks more than a 383 , but you had to wait a few weeks as it was an option that was not usually at the dealership. Folks wanted the car so bad that many couldn't wait and bought what was on the lot. That did make 'em rare.
I love the quick revving response of the Cammer and with it being banned so much that tells all i need to know. Just like the Ford Cleveland was the most banned motor in racing history.
The 427 SOHC was more powerful right out of the box in stock form, 656hp with 2 4V’s from the factory. Ed Pink and some of the other builders did work the bugs out and learned how to tune them, and they really ran! Considering the small numbers that were produced they did really well in drag racing.
@@jts9120 - And that's the unmodified "street" engine Cammer motor. It put out 657HP where the 426 HEMI street engine was around 500HP. Race prepped is a whole different matter. Bottom line is the Cammer engine was more powerful, whether in street form or modified.
To be fair it probably took an afternoon to figure out the cams in the heads and the other 89 days was used for the drive chain and gear layout to keep everything in time. LoL. It's too bad Ford never developed it further it would have been interesting. It's one of the nicest sounding engines at idle that is for sure.
@chuckselvage3157 That's an awesome fact! The SOHC Top Fueller truly set a significant milestone in drag racing history. we should highlight that in our next film
The Ford 427 SOHC V8, also known as the "Cammer", could produce the following horsepower: Single four-barrel carburetor: 616 horsepower at 7,000 rpm Dual four-barrel carburetors: 657 horsepower at 7,500 rpm Must be a Chrysler Fanboy did the research. No 426 Hemi could match that. Keith Black later of course.
Wrong. Take both the Cammer and the Hemi cylinder heads, turn them over and look. The only difference between the two is that the Cammer has the spark at an angle to clear the ohc. Whereas the Hemi has it's spark position off center of TDC, as it uses a pushrod-actuated valve gear. The combustion bowl of both cylinder heads is the same, as they are hemispherical, and have the valves positioned at an angle equal to each. The final difference is the bottom end, where the Hemi will max at just below 7000 rpm. The Cammer is at 7200+.
You answered yourself, you said “the combustion bowl of both heads are the same as they are both Hemispherical”. To add to it, Hemi heads have opposed valves, unlike a wedge head where the valves are all inline. And the 427 SOHC has opposed vavles. It is a Hemi engine.
@@Charles-jk5px - Uhhhh, you realize you totally contradicted yourself? Then, maybe you don't! Both engines have hemi heads, the difference is the OHC configuration of the Ford 427 eliminates pushrods and allows much higher rpms. The current engine that Chrysler (Dodge) makes, which they are calling a Hemi, actually is not! The top of the head has a slight flat spot so it is not technically a hemi head - must be a complete even curve. It's a semi hemi, like the Ford Boss 429 was. The Cammer RPM limit was 7,500.
@@Charles-jk5px Not wrong. Both had hemispherical chambers just as you stated so how is it not a Hemi chamber? Ford had many other Hemi chamber heads like the Boss 429 the modern Boss 6.2L(Raptor/F150) is a close design to the 427 SOHC. Plug placement has nothing to do with a chambers design name. The plug was put there for easy access and less chance of oil leakage into the tube, known issue. There are a few SOHC's with center plugs.
There were two 426 Hemis, the street Hemi and the Race Hemi, The difference being the street Hemi had {10.25:.1} compression ratio and hydraulic lifrers, the Race Hemi had a compression ratio of 11.5:1. If I remember correctly, and solid lifers, THX for posting, new subscriber👍😎🇺🇸
One advantage that overhead cam engines have you have more options with your intake ports you see what the push rods coming up through your limited on what you can do with your intake ports
This guy is full of shot. The Fords made 657 hp and was so much faster than the Hemi that it was banned from NASCAR immediately after testing. Never allowed to compete in NASCAR.
The hemi was also banned in 65. The big difference is Chrysler offered the Hemi at the dealership, in a car available to the general public…. The cammer was never available at the dealership, in a car, that was available to the general public.
@kurtpoblenz2741 , NO 1964 Plymouth or Dodge were sold to the public with Hemis in them. Which is the exact same number of SOHC Galaxies that were sold to the public. ZERO
@ ….. & that’s why they banned the 426 Hemi in 65. When they released the street Hemi in 66 , they were allowed to race it. Ford never did that with the sohc motor.
As far as fuel racing goes , the 427 suffered the same lower end problems as the 392 . The 392 was successful due to its simplicity and it evolved into the 417 Donovan in 1971 . By 1980 it was over for anything other than the 426.
I had a conversation with Steve Montrelli about the time he worked on Mickey Thompson's Mustang funny cars. He said the cammer was good for 3 runs, then they were junk, so they took them out after 2 so they wouldn't blow up. 1st run it was fine. 2nd run he would have to walk out after the burnout and pick up the side bolts that had fallen out. If the made a 3rd run, the crank would fall out.
The number one reason for an OHC engine is the elimination of pushrods passing through the cylinder head to the rocker arms. Eliminating pushrods allows oversized intake/exhaust ports in the cylinder heads. The 426 Hemi used double rocker shafts which allowed them to use huge offset rocker arms which allowed them to have intake/exhaust ports just as big as any OHC engine. So the Hemi beats the Ford Cammer hands down because it’s volumetric efficiency was equal to anything the cammer had but while being waaaayyyyy more simpler and reliable. Racing a 3,500 pound pony Mustang against a full size 4,500 pound Charger B body is not a fair race.
The Cammer ,also known as the 90 day wonder, is the winner hands down. Ford engineers really hit it out of the park with what they accomplished in just 90 days. Very innovative for the 60's
I find it rather amusing that Ford had a hemi head V8 well before Chrysler even thought of one. Even more of a chuckle is it was created by Zora Arkus Duntov, Father of the Corvette! It wasn't a Ford production engine, but an after market hemi head setup you could purchase in 1947.
Click Bait - why is it every time this is brought up, they compare apples to oranges. NASCAR banned the 427 SOHC "Cammer" engine, citing that it was a "special racing engine" and not in the spirit of stock car racing, no one else was using a "Race Engine" at that time in "Stock Car" In Drag racing, while i think the Cammer was a good engine, The Ford guys always brag about winning Super Stock at the 1964 Nationals, as if it was a division. They get testy when they are reminded that it was only a class and the only Dodge was Dave Strickler , and he was quickest in the class by 1/4 of a second. he had red lighted during eliminations, so Gas Ronda won running a 1/4 second slower. this is just one "apples to apples" example, there are plenty more - celebrate the Cammer, but don't make up BS
@markowens64-uh7bc Totally get what you’re saying! It’s wild how people hype these comparisons. Both engines are legends in their own way, but yeah, let’s keep it real!
those aint factory blocks though. I'm a GM guy, but if i hit the lottery, a SOHC in a 63 Galaxy is one of my dream cars. its a pity that GM made the asshole decision to pull out of racing just as ford and Mopar were bringing it. the 427 Chevy was a good engine too, and GM certainly could have designed some exotic heads to go with it.
@@69shovlhed89they did build an exotic 427, it’s called an L88. Some say it pulled as much as 560 horsepower. And the 1963 grand sport corvette could have beaten the 427 cobra in scca factory sports car racing. And I’m a huge Ford guy, First on race day. Or Ford!
The cammer had one major problem, since the crankshaft was not recessed into the block, its crankshaft almost always fractured. Ed Pink loved the cammer because every run meant a total rebuild with a new crankshaft. Today, ALL top fuel and funny cars are based on the 426 HEMI,not the cammer.
@allenoshana7461 You bring up an interesting point! The engineering differences between the cammer and the HEMI really shaped the direction of top fuel racing. It’s fascinating how those design choices affected reliability and performance!
They didn't ban it, they let them run some test laps and told them they could only run them in the heavier Galaxie instead of the Torino's and have to add over 400 pounds of weight.
It wasn't. The hemi had a single cam, in the block, like every other competitor. The SOHC did not. The Hemi was limited to 305 cubic inches. The Hemi of the day, was 800+ lbs, too.
The engine was outside the rule book. 1) the SOHC was never offered in a production run car available to the public. Ford sold the engines as "crate" engines. Rule book required the sale of 500 examples the public could walk into a dealership and purchase an automobile with the 427 SOHC factory installed. 2) although not specifically worded to say "no overhead cam"" engines the rule book did say the engine had to be typical of that days engine technology ie cast iron block 2 valves per cylinder pushrod type valve train with cam in the block. Bill France didn't want an exotic,expensive engine war with overhead cam technology. The rule book was changed quickly to address this issue. That's what killed the SOHC from entering stock car racing.
The biggest problem with the cammer, besides the huge combustion chambers that if you were NA, needed crazy some pistons to get the combustion ratio up, was the long ass timing chain, that would actually change timing as RPM went up it would stretch And so they actually had to factor that into the cam timing. Also it was super weird because of the way they did the cam lobes how they they had to be opposite specs from each other the way they turned with a single timing chain. What they but the over head cam not old helped remove valve train weight and parts, but it also opened up the port shape and size since it didn't have to go around pushrods, or so like the crazy tunnel ram and put them in the dang porta, which was crazy it worked so well. However, if you want to see a crazy engine. If you look up the Oldsmobile w40x or something like that I forget, it was an experimental engine. They only made a couple of them. Never went into a car or anything but it was a four valve engine. That was crazy, powerful but I don't remember if they ever gave real specs. Also, the camera was way more powerful than the hemi and it was actually designed in 90 days. Although they used the Fe blocks so they just had to make a little stub gear where the cam would normally go and then that new timing cover and that god-awful 6-ft timing chain. And actually you can get a brand new crate engine camera from kaase racing which I've drooled over for years but could never afford one. There's actually a guy in Scottsdale. If I remember I that got one and put it in a '70 mustang. There's a couple videos of it. It's pretty sweet but it is just a crazy cool engine that Ford made to compete with a hemi and they made it in such a short amount of time.
I will always be a Chevy guy, but will always appreciate the 426 Hemrhoid. And as I recall, Don Prudhomme once changed sponsorship from Chrysler to Ford and used the 427 cammer but found that the cammer kept splitting under the loads produced by nitromethane, thus, he made the decision to go back to Chrysler. Says a lot about this iconic mill!
@twatdidusay304 You're absolutely right! The 427 SOHC does feature those hemispherical combustion chambers, which definitely plays a role in its performance. Thanks for pointing that out! check out our 427 SOHC cammer video on the channel, we talk about that in there,
Chrysler made about 400 race hemis in 1964 300 dodge and plymouth race hemis and 100 Nascar hemis. The commercial was NEVER OUTLAWED IN DRAG RACING. DON NICHOLSON RAN ONE IN PRO STOCK AND WAS ABLE TO WIN THE 1971 NHRA SUMMERNATIONALS.
@anthonytumbarello9940 we were taliking about Nascar , Thanks for the insightful info! It's fascinating to dive into the history of these legendary engines and see how they shaped racing.
An SOHC in a Mustang would be a lightweight purpose built racecar because they were never installed in ANY car from the factory and pitted against a production vehicle that probably weighed 1000 pounds more. Stupid A.I. video.
@babaoreally8220 You make a great point! The combination of tire compound, track prep, and structural tech definitely plays a crucial role in drag racing performance. It’s fascinating how these factors can influence the outcome on the track!
@ Yeah,when you think of AA/FD in the mid sixties making 7-8 thousand horsepower,and winning championships turning mid-sevens,then today’s pro-mods making 3-4 thousand horsepower in a hard body cranking out mid-fives,there’s definitely something going on there.More than likely,putting the power down.
- The Hemi was a familiar technology dating from the Fifties and well sorted out; even the new 426 was effectively an evolutionary improvement upon the old 392. - The Cammer was brand new, and though it could rev higher and never threw pushrods, it might have been a little less reliable. That 5-foot chain rattling away was a problem waiting to happen, although some were experimenting with gear drives at the time. It needed more development, and factory support wasn't strong. In a way, the REAL Ford Cammer is the Coyote.
@Baribrotzer You make some excellent points about the history of both engines! The evolution of technology really showcases how far we've come in automotive engineering. Each has its strengths and weaknesses, and it’s fascinating to see how they compare.
Chrysler was developing their own SOHC dubbed the Ball Stud HEMI. Sadly they pulled the plug on it in 69 due to multiple stressors the company was facing including financial complications and emerging concerns of emissions and fuel economy.
The Ball Stud Hemi was a pushrod motor influenced by the big block Chevy valve train. I believe emissions regulations killed it - and all the high compression motors of that era
@@timothykeith1367 By the same token, you could say that the BBC was influenced by the Poly MoPar. Same goes for Ford's Boss Windsors, Cleveland, and Lima engines. The Polyspherical type engine is the one that Chrysler should have further developed.
@@timothykeith1367 my understanding was that it never made to the SOHC phase because it was cut, but there were plans to do so. Later experiments with a 4 cylinder HEMI head design (push rod and SOHC) never made it past the drawing board. Bean counters had the final say and they didn't see a future for anything HEMI.
Rather than just read a script, the narrator should'a done some research... Oct. 1964, Ford responded to the Nascar Hemi the only way Henry Ford II knew how, build a better engine. By late Dec. the Cammer was already on the dyno, early enuf to make the cover of Hot Rod magazines Jan. 1965 issue. Yet, with the other teams whining about the Hemi, Nascar was forced to ban the Hemi and rejected Ford's homologation plans. In a strange twist, Ford won the 1965 Nascar championship with Ned Garrett driving a 427 side oiler powered Galaxie 500, the same engine that propelled Fords Thunderbolt to the 1964 NHRA Super Stock title.
@BobbyOfEarth Thanks for sharing such detailed insights! It's always great to hear from someone who knows the history behind these legendary engines. Your knowledge adds depth to the discussion! we have added this information to the details section , thank you again for your constructive input,
@bryanward8 The 427 Cammer didn't just win races; it left a trail of stunned competitors in its wake-Ferrari included! fun fact 427 inspired by the GAA 18 liter sherman tank engine
@JamesHolbrook-eh5sp That's a great suggestion! The Boss 429 is definitely a legendary contender in the muscle car world. I'll keep that in mind for future comparisons! will add it to our audiance recommended list
The 429 boss was a hemi. I worked in a machine shop doing valve jobs in 1978 and we had a set of heads come thru. I asked the boss what are these hemi heads for? He told me a Ford and I was like I never knew Ford had a hemi.
Whomever made this video didn't do their homework, the 427 cammer had way more horsepower and torque than the hemi, it was banned by NASCAR before it even got to start a race, and was penalized with weight in drag racing till it wasn't competitive.
Availability of the Ford cammer is still very limited. Reason that friend of mine is glad just to find an old rusted 427. Rebuilding it was exspensive. But he's got the money.
@jacoballred It's true, finding a good 427 Cammer can be quite the challenge! But it sounds like your friend is dedicated to getting it back on the road. Those rebuilds can really pack a punch! i belive only 500 427 sohc cammer ever made,
SOHC engines are superior to SUHC engines pushing 16 push rods up and down. What's hard to understand is that Detroit's V-8s still rely on pushrod power when motorcycles mostly went to SOHC and DOHC mills many decades ago. OHC engines just cannot have been that hard for Detroit to design and troubleshoot.
@rcnelson That's an interesting perspective! SOHC engines do offer some advantages, and it's fascinating to see how different industries approach engine design. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@mickangio16Depends what the goal is. If it's tryihg to squeeze all the eifficency you can from a given displacment dohc, 4 valves per cylinder is the way to go. But a smaller overall footprint while offering more displacemnt has a place too.
They weren’t making 10,000 hp the 1960s. It had 60 years of development. And the hemi they use for drag racing today aren’t even produced by Chrysler anymore, basically a total aftermarket engine.
Two of the best performance engines ever developed in the US. To the presenter, engines aren't fast, they make power, they only go fast when installed in a car/truck/boat whatever
No doubt the SOHC Engine made great power but it had reliability problems and were difficult to work on. Also ford produced very few of these engines because of the cost to build them and NASCAR outlawed both the Chrysler hemi and the Ford SOHC engines.
@anthonytumbarello9940 You bring up some excellent points! The SOHC engine definitely had its strengths, but the reliability issues and production costs made it a tough choice for many. It’s interesting to see how these engines shaped the racing landscape.
@@brianwolgamot7076 yes , those BOP cars were beastly with legendary torque. If you knew how to turn the right screws , the Hemi always responded in a noticeable way. Look at what Ray Barton was able to do with just modern tech.
Yes, a stock 455 Buick Stage 1 would easily beat a 426 Hemi. One motor weighed 667lbs and the other nearly 800lbs. Ultimately Buicks weight advantage had dire consequences from a reliability perspective. You see, that massive 455 Stage 1 motor had a two-bolt main block which was prone to cracks, specifically where the lifters were fitted (which escapes me at the moment).
Ford still builds Cammer type engines in a roundabout way of what they learned from those 'Total Performance' days. Such as the 4.6 and 5.4 Modulars, and also now with the Coyote and Predator. All overhead cam V8s. I believe the 255 Fairlane Indy engine was also a DOHC.
@@gurneyforpresident2836 Correct , when everything is torqued down it pulls the casting together and makes it more rigid. I read about it a little when the 4.6 first was offered.
The 426 Chrysler hemi is so much easier to service between rounds. As between NHRA rounds the pan comes off to inspect rods and main bearings. And heads come off to inspect valves and to be able to change pistons and rods, as pistons burn out first then chambers in the heads. So depending how bad a chamber is, the head is it may need to be changed and the fuel system adjusted as well. Then the piston and rod changed and sometimes a cylinder sleeve all changed and thrown back together and gaskets maybe changed and heads set back on and bolted back in place, and valve gear replaced and valves readjusted. In a Cammer more like a modern car in complication. Back in the day the cars were much more mild and just adjusted between rounds and the whole engine changed as necessary.
I love car history videos. I don't like careless misinformation. You state Chrysler introduced the hemi "in the late 50's" . The hemi was available in 1953. Dodge/DeSoto called them Red Ram/Fire Dome. 241 ci. I have driven and worked on a Coronet Sierra with the 241 backed with a 3 speed with a separate overdrive, FACTORY ORIGINAL. This was identified by the new rams head hood ornament.
@larryfritz9459 Thanks for the clarification! It's always great to dive deeper into car history and ensure we get the facts right. Your insights about the early Hemi are appreciated! late 50s so we should have stated mid 50s correction!
Should have did a compare with the 429 Boss & the 426 Hemi. Maybey even throw a bbc chevy into it? Stock or modified i think might bring different results?
The HEMI is known world wide for performance and horse power, the Cammer and even the small block Chevy are not. In part because the HEMI still dominates Top Fuel drag racing today, producing 13,000HP on Nitromethane. This makes the HEMI the worlds undisputed HP King of V8s.
Top Fuel engines are not hemis becuase it's the ideal design for 13,000hp, they are hemis because that's what the rules stipulate, larlgey because NHRA wants to keep the class nolstolgic Plus, they're already makihg "too much" power as it is. One reason they limted them to 1000ft. I have no doubt that if those limits were removed then turbochargers, dohc, and 4 valves per cylinder is what everyone would run. It's simply more efficent in terms of making every last HP.
@ChiefCabioch That's a valid point! The differences in fuel delivery systems definitely play a significant role in performance. Each engine has its own strengths!
Both are bad ass engine’s. Which is better? If tuned right the Cammer will take the Hemi. Cammer unfortunately has a lot a chain issue from what old articles stated. Hemi is more reliable. But again a well built and tuned Hemi should keep up with Cammer.
I know cubic inches were king in the 60's. I have often wondered if Ford had done an overhead cam version of their small block 289/302 in the 60's. I bet that it would not have been banned so quickly, and it probably could have won races with a mile per gallon advantage. in 1971 a relatively unknown Nascar team with a Daytona Charger and a 305 LA engine, competing against 426 Hemis and Boss 429s, placed 7th at Talladega after wrecking. Still, look at what Ford has achieved with their 5.0 Coyote engine!
Both engines were essentually hemi engines. The "cammer" traided the dodge hemi's somewhat cumbersome pushrod and rocker arm gemometry issues for heavy, very long timing chain issues. In some sense these idea live on today with the modern dodge "hemi" and ford coyote.
If both were stock the Cammer would beat any Hemi and it wouldn’t be close. Don’t believe me ask anyone that is old enough to remember. The Elephant motor was a great design but it weighed way way too much (800lbs) and did not rev up fast enough. That’s the truth! Now, from a reliability perspective it’s not even close. You could comfortably get 12 to 14 passes with a Hemi, not with the Cammer, not even close.
@thomaschambers9431 It's always interesting to see the friendly rivalries in the car community! Each brand has its strengths and weaknesses, but at the end of the day, we all love the thrill of speed.
😮 the 426 hemi is the true winner 🏆. Although is was not perfect but it was way better than the cammer ford. The hammer was to expensive to keep them on the track.
@ericneumann8114 You know what they say, the Hemi might be the "king of the track," but every king has its court! The Cammer Ford definitely had its moments, even if it was a bit pricey!
I'm gonna go with an expert here. Don Garlits AKA Big Daddy has a race version SOHC in a case in his museum in Ocala. His words are , if Ford had not pulled the plug , the 427 SOHC would be a contender in Top Fuel today. But , NHRA as far as I'm concerned , is going the way of NASCAR. Boring. The only good thing , is being at an event to witness the shock and awe of Top Fuel. Pro Stock totally stinks now btw. Factory Stock is good so far. But NHRA is rapidly looking more grim everyday. My opinion. I would love to have either engine , but that rare Cammer would be special.
@srt8rocketship241 Thank you for sharing your insights! Don Garlits is such an iconic figure in racing, and his perspective really adds depth to the conversation. Your passion for these engines is contagious! top fuel pro stock fever has a hold of me now , A 427 Cammer in a case feels like it should be Free to breath and fuel the next genration of enthusiast
I don't hate either but Chrysler used a non-production engine without penalty. Ford already had OHC from decades earlier. So the they designed the 427 SOHC had it made to production and was shut down by NASCAR owner for too much power potential. Which was ridiculous going for rule like that then why was the experimental Hemi allowed to run? Ford had to use the 427 with revised rev kit. The Hemi was banned in 65. Ford begun to build the Boss 429 after reading the new rules and it went to the wing car battles. This might hurt some butts but the SOHC was capable of more power with higher rpm then the Hemi. The SOHC was too expensive for most racers. It had a learning curve with limited number of engines. Hemi's were made for a much longer time and in far more numbers. It had issues as did the SOHC. The Boss 429 should be up against the Hemi. I think the Boss will win. But you'll find ten times as many Hemi's as a Boss. Hemi's have aftermarket everthing. Boss has limited stuff from Kaase and the SOHC sparse parts with even worse rumors of lost money or parts that are useless with a ghost dealing. Horrible stuff for SOHC fans. Hemi's used for NHRA are not anything like a street Hemi. The name is about it.
This is more clickbait than everything! Both engines are top notch, the most exquisit tech there was. But the cammer was a "strange thing", it needed special care. When the Hemi was managable in a home gamer setting the Cammer needed special everything. Knowledge, tooling… In that perspective the Hemi is my favourite. But the Cammer is that special Unicorn. Why the US manufacturers didn´t go that way to begin with is beyond my paygrade. In Europe everyone went with DOHC or at least OHC. Maybe the US didn´t care so much about efficiency when their oil flowed like water and the gallon was five cents…
Geography is a big reason. In the USA we have long, straight, flat roads, and Americans enjoyed big, comfortable, smooth vehicles with engines that loafed along effortlessly at high vehicle speeds. In Europe and much of the rest of the world, cars are driven a lot on twisty roads with many elevation changes where small cars with small engines that have to work at higher rpm levels are more practical for the environment they are used in.
@@mickangio16 Thanks Mate, beautifully summed up. Makes very much sense. 88Miles are like 140km/h- Not the quickest but not shabby. Again, I´m thinking Europe. For a 71Continental Landyacht, aerodynamic like a brick- that´s good. What were they doing? Maybe 15mls/gal? That´s like nearly 15L/100km- That´s well! A 44Hp 71 Beetle drank the same and more… So Yeah, I see what You´re saying, I just was in the mood for a little thought experiment/comparison. And I´d take the Lincoln any day… Thanks for the time
When talking top fuel, staying together under heavy doses of nitro and advances in timing over 50 degrees is a factor on the quarter mile. And the cammer also had hemispheric combustion chambers with the cam between intake and exhaust valves on top. For AA/FD I'll take what everybody competitive relies on: The Chrysler.
Nascar screwed ford with both the cammer and the boss 429! Just as they screwed up racing all the way to today! Racing is about competition and innovation, look what they did to the Daytona and Superbird forexample! Restricted plates, it is nothing more than watching a train go around the track!
The cammer was banned because the hemi is more akin to a hopped up truck motor and otherwise can’t compare to the refined powerband of the cammer!! …and 98% of the viewers don’t subscribe to your channel because you need to do deeper research.
@anthonytumbarello9940 define come out? it did exsist in 1964 under the secret development at FORD , You're absolutely right! The Ford SOHC was indeed introduced in 1965. Thanks for catching that!
Ford had extensive worldwide competition efforts in the 60's, while Mopar stayed home and put cheap horsepower into the hands of the working class hot rodder. I'm glad they both did what they did.
@JackF99 You make a great point! Both Ford and Mopar had their unique approaches to performance, and it’s fascinating to see how they shaped the automotive landscape. i am curious to look further into the ford factory NHRA team around this era
I like MoPars, but Chrysler didn't make Hemi engines plentiful nor affordable.
@@mickangio16 The hemi roadrunners were like another 400 bucks more than a 383 , but you had to wait a few weeks as it was an option that was not usually at the dealership. Folks wanted the car so bad that many couldn't wait and bought what was on the lot. That did make 'em rare.
Ford and Chrysler built all those SPECIAL engines in an attempt to compete with Chevy's every day TRUCK engines!
I love the quick revving response of the Cammer and with it being banned so much that tells all i need to know. Just like the Ford Cleveland was the most banned motor in racing history.
They knew FORD had the better motor
The 427 SOHC was more powerful right out of the box in stock form, 656hp with 2 4V’s from the factory. Ed Pink and some of the other builders did work the bugs out and learned how to tune them, and they really ran! Considering the small numbers that were produced they did really well in drag racing.
@trucking604 Yeah I just now found the ed pink video I've been watching his video on the 289 heads that was very impressive.
I've owned a few 351 Clevelands in 4V in a Ford Falcon XD ute the heads are huge and they really get up and go.
Exactly
@ 7:33 - The Chrysler 426 Hemi with 2 4bbl carbs was rated at 490 torque. The Ford Cammer 427 with 2 4bbl carbs was rated at 575 torque.
@Loulovesspeed That's the street, Hemi. Race version was 600+
@@jts9120 - And that's the unmodified "street" engine Cammer motor. It put out 657HP where the 426 HEMI street engine was around 500HP. Race prepped is a whole different matter. Bottom line is the Cammer engine was more powerful, whether in street form or modified.
@Loulovesspeed 427 cammer wasn't a street engine. Race only. That's why it wasn't allowed in Nascar. Because ford didn't offer it to the public
Hemi was 480 torque, 440 6 pack was 490 torque and would beat a Hemi in the 1/4...
Ford '427' wasn't even 426"...
@@Loulovesspeed The 426 Hemi would stay together @ 7.200 rpm, the 427 Cammer blew up easy.
The cammer was "90day wonder" from drawing board to build, no computers
To be fair it probably took an afternoon to figure out the cams in the heads and the other 89 days was used for the drive chain and gear layout to keep everything in time. LoL.
It's too bad Ford never developed it further it would have been interesting.
It's one of the nicest sounding engines at idle that is for sure.
@@skxj The 427 pushrods engines with mechanical cam and open pipes have a sweet sound as well.
@srt8rocketship241 that's true.
@@skxj Holman Moody developed a gear cam drive for it ! And it worked !
@fred37ify yes, I would imagine it was the better solution for it.
Fun Fact-The SOHC Top Fueller was the first to break the 6 second barrier.
@chuckselvage3157 That's an awesome fact! The SOHC Top Fueller truly set a significant milestone in drag racing history. we should highlight that in our next film
427 Cammer anytime.
Love the 426 *WEDGE* thumbnail.
What do you expect from AI videos. I am surprised how few people noticed that also
You beat me to it.
Third to notice that.
@jamesgeorge4874 Max Wedges could run door to door with a Hemi and beat most Ford and Chevy mills
Development wouldn't have begun on the "Doomsday" dohc 426 hemi if the 427 sohc didn't have an advantage over the pushrod 426 hemi
And i'm pretty sure Ford would've come up with their own DOHC. One upmanship and healthy competition.
- SOHC advantage was lighter shorter valve train... Olds had DOHC 4 valve 455" V8 engine designed... still in a museum...
The Ford 427 SOHC V8, also known as the "Cammer", could produce the following horsepower:
Single four-barrel carburetor: 616 horsepower at 7,000 rpm
Dual four-barrel carburetors: 657 horsepower at 7,500 rpm
Must be a Chrysler Fanboy did the research. No 426 Hemi could match that. Keith Black later of course.
Now u know that’s bullshit. A stock block hemi could easily make over 700 horsepower.
@@danielroberts698
"Could" and "did" are two different things.
The Ford 427 SOHC did have hemi combustion chambers.
Wrong. Take both the Cammer and the Hemi cylinder heads, turn them over and look. The only difference between the two is that the Cammer has the spark at an angle to clear the ohc. Whereas the Hemi has it's spark position off center of TDC, as it uses a pushrod-actuated valve gear.
The combustion bowl of both cylinder heads is the same, as they are hemispherical, and have the valves positioned at an angle equal to each.
The final difference is the bottom end, where the Hemi will max at just below 7000 rpm. The Cammer is at 7200+.
You answered yourself, you said “the combustion bowl of both heads are the same as they are both Hemispherical”.
To add to it, Hemi heads have opposed valves, unlike a wedge head where the valves are all inline. And the 427 SOHC has opposed vavles. It is a Hemi engine.
@@trucking604 and a 14 mile long timing chain. 426 was superior
@@Charles-jk5px - Uhhhh, you realize you totally contradicted yourself? Then, maybe you don't! Both engines have hemi heads, the difference is the OHC configuration of the Ford 427 eliminates pushrods and allows much higher rpms. The current engine that Chrysler (Dodge) makes, which they are calling a Hemi, actually is not! The top of the head has a slight flat spot so it is not technically a hemi head - must be a complete even curve. It's a semi hemi, like the Ford Boss 429 was. The Cammer RPM limit was 7,500.
@@Charles-jk5px Not wrong. Both had hemispherical chambers just as you stated so how is it not a Hemi chamber? Ford had many other Hemi chamber heads like the Boss 429 the modern Boss 6.2L(Raptor/F150) is a close design to the 427 SOHC. Plug placement has nothing to do with a chambers design name. The plug was put there for easy access and less chance of oil leakage into the tube, known issue. There are a few SOHC's with center plugs.
There were two 426 Hemis, the street Hemi and the Race Hemi, The difference being the street Hemi had {10.25:.1} compression ratio and hydraulic lifrers, the Race Hemi had a compression ratio of 11.5:1. If I remember correctly, and solid lifers, THX for posting, new subscriber👍😎🇺🇸
Early street Hemi also had solid lifters...
One advantage that overhead cam engines have you have more options with your intake ports you see what the push rods coming up through your limited on what you can do with your intake ports
This guy is full of shot. The Fords made 657 hp and was so much faster than the Hemi that it was banned from NASCAR immediately after testing. Never allowed to compete in NASCAR.
It an AI video. No human was used in the making of this video
The hemi was also banned in 65. The big difference is Chrysler offered the Hemi at the dealership, in a car available to the general public…. The cammer was never available at the dealership, in a car, that was available to the general public.
@kurtpoblenz2741 , NO 1964 Plymouth or Dodge were sold to the public with Hemis in them. Which is the exact same number of SOHC Galaxies that were sold to the public.
ZERO
1964 Plymouth Belvedere could be bought from the factory as a street car with the hemi. Nice try.
@ ….. & that’s why they banned the 426 Hemi in 65. When they released the street Hemi in 66 , they were allowed to race it. Ford never did that with the sohc motor.
As far as fuel racing goes , the 427 suffered the same lower end problems as the 392 . The 392 was successful due to its simplicity and it evolved into the 417 Donovan in 1971 . By 1980 it was over for anything other than the 426.
I had a conversation with Steve Montrelli about the time he worked on Mickey Thompson's Mustang funny cars. He said the cammer was good for 3 runs, then they were junk, so they took them out after 2 so they wouldn't blow up. 1st run it was fine. 2nd run he would have to walk out after the burnout and pick up the side bolts that had fallen out. If the made a 3rd run, the crank would fall out.
This is a stupid video. We’re all dumber for having seen it.
Lol , I was stupid when I turned it on 😂
The number one reason for an OHC engine is the elimination of pushrods passing through the cylinder head to the rocker arms. Eliminating pushrods allows oversized intake/exhaust ports in the cylinder heads. The 426 Hemi used double rocker shafts which allowed them to use huge offset rocker arms which allowed them to have intake/exhaust ports just as big as any OHC engine. So the Hemi beats the Ford Cammer hands down because it’s volumetric efficiency was equal to anything the cammer had but while being waaaayyyyy more simpler and reliable. Racing a 3,500 pound pony Mustang against a full size 4,500 pound Charger B body is not a fair race.
The Cammer ,also known as the 90 day wonder, is the winner hands down. Ford engineers really hit it out of the park with what they accomplished in just 90 days. Very innovative for the 60's
I find it rather amusing that Ford had a hemi head V8 well before Chrysler even thought of one. Even more of a chuckle is it was created by Zora Arkus Duntov, Father of the Corvette! It wasn't a Ford production engine, but an after market hemi head setup you could purchase in 1947.
Fun fact Renault mad a Hemi before both of them😊
The camper would have owned NASCAR if they had not banned it.
YOU CAN`T EVEN SPELL ! = idiot !
nascar = MUST BE A PUSH ROD ENGINE !
Eventually with refinement
@@ronnieboucherthecrystalcraftsm
And if had ever been installed in a car!
Had to be a production engine too.
Click Bait - why is it every time this is brought up, they compare apples to oranges. NASCAR banned the 427 SOHC "Cammer" engine, citing that it was a "special racing engine" and not in the spirit of stock car racing, no one else was using a "Race Engine" at that time in "Stock Car"
In Drag racing, while i think the Cammer was a good engine, The Ford guys always brag about winning Super Stock at the 1964 Nationals, as if it was a division. They get testy when they are reminded that it was only a class and the only Dodge was Dave Strickler , and he was quickest in the class by 1/4 of a second. he had red lighted during eliminations, so Gas Ronda won running a 1/4 second slower. this is just one "apples to apples" example, there are plenty more - celebrate the Cammer, but don't make up BS
@markowens64-uh7bc Totally get what you’re saying! It’s wild how people hype these comparisons. Both engines are legends in their own way, but yeah, let’s keep it real!
Top fuel dragsters are all Hemi powered nowadays. No cammers in sight
Only because rule books.
those aint factory blocks though. I'm a GM guy, but if i hit the lottery, a SOHC in a 63 Galaxy is one of my dream cars. its a pity that GM made the asshole decision to pull out of racing just as ford and Mopar were bringing it. the 427 Chevy was a good engine too, and GM certainly could have designed some exotic heads to go with it.
@@69shovlhed89they did build an exotic 427, it’s called an L88. Some say it pulled as much as 560 horsepower. And the 1963 grand sport corvette could have beaten the 427 cobra in scca factory sports car racing. And I’m a huge Ford guy, First on race day. Or Ford!
Wrong, NOTHING Mopar whatsoever on the top fuelers.... not even bore spacing ole boy!
@collegeparkwhiteboy It sure ain't ford bud. The top fuel mills are based on the Chrysler Hemi. Look it up
The cammer had one major problem, since the crankshaft was not recessed into the block, its crankshaft almost always fractured. Ed Pink loved the cammer because every run meant a total rebuild with a new crankshaft. Today, ALL top fuel and funny cars are based on the 426 HEMI,not the cammer.
@allenoshana7461 You bring up an interesting point! The engineering differences between the cammer and the HEMI really shaped the direction of top fuel racing. It’s fascinating how those design choices affected reliability and performance!
If the HEMI was the better of the two, then why did NASCAR bann the SOCH?
They didn't ban it, they let them run some test laps and told them they could only run them in the heavier Galaxie instead of the Torino's and have to add over 400 pounds of weight.
The hemi.
It wasn't. The hemi had a single cam, in the block, like every other competitor. The SOHC did not. The Hemi was limited to 305 cubic inches. The Hemi of the day, was 800+ lbs, too.
The engine was outside the rule book. 1) the SOHC was never offered in a production run car available to the public. Ford sold the engines as "crate" engines. Rule book required the sale of 500 examples the public could walk into a dealership and purchase an automobile with the 427 SOHC factory installed. 2) although not specifically worded to say "no overhead cam"" engines the rule book did say the engine had to be typical of that days engine technology ie cast iron block 2 valves per cylinder pushrod type valve train with cam in the block. Bill France didn't want an exotic,expensive engine war with overhead cam technology. The rule book was changed quickly to address this issue. That's what killed the SOHC from entering stock car racing.
The Cammer was a HEMI as well. I want either engine. The rare 427 SOHC would really be awesome to have in your possession though.
Considering every NHRA TF and FC team runs hemis, I'd say the hemi design won.
The biggest problem with the cammer, besides the huge combustion chambers that if you were NA, needed crazy some pistons to get the combustion ratio up, was the long ass timing chain, that would actually change timing as RPM went up it would stretch And so they actually had to factor that into the cam timing. Also it was super weird because of the way they did the cam lobes how they they had to be opposite specs from each other the way they turned with a single timing chain. What they but the over head cam not old helped remove valve train weight and parts, but it also opened up the port shape and size since it didn't have to go around pushrods, or so like the crazy tunnel ram and put them in the dang porta, which was crazy it worked so well. However, if you want to see a crazy engine. If you look up the Oldsmobile w40x or something like that I forget, it was an experimental engine. They only made a couple of them. Never went into a car or anything but it was a four valve engine. That was crazy, powerful but I don't remember if they ever gave real specs. Also, the camera was way more powerful than the hemi and it was actually designed in 90 days. Although they used the Fe blocks so they just had to make a little stub gear where the cam would normally go and then that new timing cover and that god-awful 6-ft timing chain. And actually you can get a brand new crate engine camera from kaase racing which I've drooled over for years but could never afford one. There's actually a guy in Scottsdale. If I remember I that got one and put it in a '70 mustang. There's a couple videos of it. It's pretty sweet but it is just a crazy cool engine that Ford made to compete with a hemi and they made it in such a short amount of time.
I will always be a Chevy guy, but will always appreciate the 426 Hemrhoid. And as I recall, Don Prudhomme once changed sponsorship from Chrysler to Ford and used the 427 cammer but found that the cammer kept splitting under the loads produced by nitromethane, thus, he made the decision to go back to Chrysler. Says a lot about this iconic mill!
The 427sohc had hemispherical combustion chambers as well.
@twatdidusay304 You're absolutely right! The 427 SOHC does feature those hemispherical combustion chambers, which definitely plays a role in its performance. Thanks for pointing that out! check out our 427 SOHC cammer video on the channel, we talk about that in there,
Chrysler made about 400 race hemis in 1964 300 dodge and plymouth race hemis and 100 Nascar hemis. The commercial was NEVER OUTLAWED IN DRAG RACING. DON NICHOLSON RAN ONE IN PRO STOCK AND WAS ABLE TO WIN THE 1971 NHRA SUMMERNATIONALS.
@anthonytumbarello9940
we were taliking about Nascar , Thanks for the insightful info! It's fascinating to dive into the history of these legendary engines and see how they shaped racing.
mustang cammer vs hemi charger.....?
Really?....How about a '68 dart or cuda? Now compare ETs with comparably sized cars
An SOHC in a Mustang would be a lightweight purpose built racecar because they were never installed in ANY car from the factory and pitted against a production vehicle that probably weighed 1000 pounds more. Stupid A.I. video.
The Hemi is KING TO THIS DAY STILL BEING USED IN NHRA 11,000 HP
Because of Rulebooks, of course everyone is running them, you have no choice.
Tire compound,track prep,and structural technology kept the SOHC from totally dominating the AA/F dragster field with its higher power output.
@babaoreally8220 You make a great point! The combination of tire compound, track prep, and structural tech definitely plays a crucial role in drag racing performance. It’s fascinating how these factors can influence the outcome on the track!
@ Yeah,when you think of AA/FD in the mid sixties making 7-8 thousand horsepower,and winning championships turning mid-sevens,then today’s pro-mods making 3-4 thousand horsepower in a hard body cranking out mid-fives,there’s definitely something going on there.More than likely,putting the power down.
- The Hemi was a familiar technology dating from the Fifties and well sorted out; even the new 426 was effectively an evolutionary improvement upon the old 392.
- The Cammer was brand new, and though it could rev higher and never threw pushrods, it might have been a little less reliable. That 5-foot chain rattling away was a problem waiting to
happen, although some were experimenting with gear drives at the time. It needed more development, and factory support wasn't strong. In a way, the REAL Ford Cammer is the Coyote.
@Baribrotzer
You make some excellent points about the history of both engines! The evolution of technology really showcases how far we've come in automotive engineering. Each has its strengths and weaknesses, and it’s fascinating to see how they compare.
Actually Hemi was from WWII and earlier... OHC from like 1900s...
@@buzzwaldron6195 True. But these particular iterations were from the Fifties and Sixties.
Funny thing due to these 2 ford engines today we have the 6.2 ford in trucks and it’s a fantastic motor
If the SOHC wasn't banned, it would benefit from the same 60 years of refinement that the Hemi did. It's a dead heat.
Chrysler was developing their own SOHC dubbed the Ball Stud HEMI. Sadly they pulled the plug on it in 69 due to multiple stressors the company was facing including financial complications and emerging concerns of emissions and fuel economy.
The Ball Stud Hemi was a pushrod motor influenced by the big block Chevy valve train. I believe emissions regulations killed it - and all the high compression motors of that era
@@timothykeith1367
By the same token, you could say that the BBC was influenced by the Poly MoPar. Same goes for Ford's Boss Windsors, Cleveland, and Lima engines. The Polyspherical type engine is the one that Chrysler should have further developed.
@@timothykeith1367 my understanding was that it never made to the SOHC phase because it was cut, but there were plans to do so. Later experiments with a 4 cylinder HEMI head design (push rod and SOHC) never made it past the drawing board. Bean counters had the final say and they didn't see a future for anything HEMI.
4 cylinder or 4 valve?
Rather than just read a script, the narrator should'a done some research...
Oct. 1964, Ford responded to the Nascar Hemi the only way Henry Ford II knew how, build a better engine. By late Dec. the Cammer was already on the dyno, early enuf to make the cover of Hot Rod magazines Jan. 1965 issue. Yet, with the other teams whining about the Hemi, Nascar was forced to ban the Hemi and rejected Ford's homologation plans.
In a strange twist, Ford won the 1965 Nascar championship with Ned Garrett driving a 427 side oiler powered Galaxie 500, the same engine that propelled Fords Thunderbolt to the 1964 NHRA Super Stock title.
@BobbyOfEarth Thanks for sharing such detailed insights! It's always great to hear from someone who knows the history behind these legendary engines. Your knowledge adds depth to the discussion! we have added this information to the details section , thank you again for your constructive input,
Never offered in street cars.
427 Cammer, the engine that defeated Ferarri and the world
@bryanward8 The 427 Cammer didn't just win races; it left a trail of stunned competitors in its wake-Ferrari included! fun fact 427 inspired by the GAA 18 liter sherman tank engine
A better comparison would have been Boss 429 vs 426 Hemi.
@JamesHolbrook-eh5sp That's a great suggestion! The Boss 429 is definitely a legendary contender in the muscle car world. I'll keep that in mind for future comparisons! will add it to our audiance recommended list
@@JamesHolbrook-eh5sp Also the 429 was a Semi Hemi. But Ford offers the Shotgun heads and a very Big improvement it is.
The 429 boss was a hemi. I worked in a machine shop doing valve jobs in 1978 and we had a set of heads come thru. I asked the boss what are these hemi heads for? He told me a Ford and I was like I never knew Ford had a hemi.
And the mustang was lighter than the charger, that helps.
Correct; 500# lighter.
Whomever made this video didn't do their homework, the 427 cammer had way more horsepower and torque than the hemi, it was banned by NASCAR before it even got to start a race, and was penalized with weight in drag racing till it wasn't competitive.
Correct. The Cammer would've had a 400 pound handicap. Ford shelved it for NASCAR and went and sold it to drag racers.
Availability of the Ford cammer is still very limited. Reason that friend of mine is glad just to find an old rusted 427. Rebuilding it was exspensive. But he's got the money.
@jacoballred It's true, finding a good 427 Cammer can be quite the challenge! But it sounds like your friend is dedicated to getting it back on the road. Those rebuilds can really pack a punch! i belive only 500 427 sohc cammer ever made,
SOHC engines are superior to SUHC engines pushing 16 push rods up and down. What's hard to understand is that Detroit's V-8s still rely on pushrod power when motorcycles mostly went to SOHC and DOHC mills many decades ago. OHC engines just cannot have been that hard for Detroit to design and troubleshoot.
@rcnelson That's an interesting perspective! SOHC engines do offer some advantages, and it's fascinating to see how different industries approach engine design. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Simplicity is best. Why make things more complicated, expensive, and trouble prone? We don't drive to the grocery store at 7000 rpm.
@@mickangio16Depends what the goal is. If it's tryihg to squeeze all the eifficency you can from a given displacment dohc, 4 valves per cylinder is the way to go. But a smaller overall footprint while offering more displacemnt has a place too.
The Hemi 426 engine is a true powerhouse because of its legendary durability and performance 🎉
They both rocked !!
@paulbergin4239
@paulbergin4239 Thank you for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed the comparison. Both engines definitely have their own fan bases!
Hemi all day, Top Fuel, Pro Mod,Funny Car etc no other stand up to 10,000 hp
They weren’t making 10,000 hp the 1960s. It had 60 years of development. And the hemi they use for drag racing today aren’t even produced by Chrysler anymore, basically a total aftermarket engine.
Two of the best performance engines ever developed in the US. To the presenter, engines aren't fast, they make power, they only go fast when installed in a car/truck/boat whatever
No doubt the SOHC Engine made great power but it had reliability problems and were difficult to work on. Also ford produced very few of these engines because of the cost to build them and NASCAR outlawed both the Chrysler hemi and the Ford SOHC engines.
@anthonytumbarello9940
You bring up some excellent points! The SOHC engine definitely had its strengths, but the reliability issues and production costs made it a tough choice for many. It’s interesting to see how these engines shaped the racing landscape.
I wasn't around back in the late 60s - early 70s, but I hear even the 455 Buick would beat the 426 Hemi.
No 455s in top fuel or NASCAR. 426 was in and still is now.
@jts9120 maybe not, but street racers seemed to do ok with them.
@@brianwolgamot7076 yes , those BOP cars were beastly with legendary torque. If you knew how to turn the right screws , the Hemi always responded in a noticeable way. Look at what Ray Barton was able to do with just modern tech.
Yes, a stock 455 Buick Stage 1 would easily beat a 426 Hemi. One motor weighed 667lbs and the other nearly 800lbs. Ultimately Buicks weight advantage had dire consequences from a reliability perspective. You see, that massive 455 Stage 1 motor had a two-bolt main block which was prone to cracks, specifically where the lifters were fitted (which escapes me at the moment).
@brianwolgamot7076 68 LO23 Darts and Barracudas say otherwise. And yes, they could be driven on the streets
Ford still builds Cammer type engines in a roundabout way of what they learned from those
'Total Performance' days.
Such as the 4.6 and 5.4 Modulars, and also now with the Coyote and Predator.
All overhead cam V8s.
I believe the 255 Fairlane Indy engine was also a DOHC.
@@gurneyforpresident2836 Correct , when everything is torqued down it pulls the casting together and makes it more rigid. I read about it a little when the 4.6 first was offered.
The 426 Chrysler hemi is so much easier to service between rounds. As between NHRA rounds the pan comes off to inspect rods and main bearings. And heads come off to inspect valves and to be able to change pistons and rods, as pistons burn out first then chambers in the heads. So depending how bad a chamber is, the head is it may need to be changed and the fuel system adjusted as well. Then the piston and rod changed and sometimes a cylinder sleeve all changed and thrown back together and gaskets maybe changed and heads set back on and bolted back in place, and valve gear replaced and valves readjusted. In a Cammer more like a modern car in complication. Back in the day the cars were much more mild and just adjusted between rounds and the whole engine changed as necessary.
Chevy where are you ? Cheap cheap cheap.
I love car history videos. I don't like careless misinformation. You state Chrysler introduced the hemi "in the late 50's" . The hemi was available in 1953. Dodge/DeSoto called them Red Ram/Fire Dome. 241 ci. I have driven and worked on a Coronet Sierra with the 241 backed with a 3 speed with a separate overdrive, FACTORY ORIGINAL. This was identified by the new rams head hood ornament.
@larryfritz9459
Thanks for the clarification! It's always great to dive deeper into car history and ensure we get the facts right. Your insights about the early Hemi are appreciated! late 50s so we should have stated mid 50s correction!
The 427 cammer would be my choice
427 SOHC Cammer NO 1
You just proved the cammer beat the hemi, it doesn't matter what idiots think.
Should have did a compare with the 429 Boss & the 426 Hemi. Maybey even throw a bbc chevy into it? Stock or modified i think might bring different results?
Most powerful street engine in every day public sales literature was the Chevy L88 427"... actually about 560 HP...
@buzzwaldron6195 the chevy 427 was not rated at 560 hp. U are out of your mind.
Cammer is the better engine
Well the Elephant in the room is the HEMI.....But of course is = O'yes
The HEMI is known world wide for performance and horse power, the Cammer and even the small block Chevy are not. In part because the HEMI still dominates Top Fuel drag racing today, producing 13,000HP on Nitromethane. This makes the HEMI the worlds undisputed HP King of V8s.
Top Fuel engines are not hemis becuase it's the ideal design for 13,000hp, they are hemis because that's what the rules stipulate, larlgey because NHRA wants to keep the class nolstolgic Plus, they're already makihg "too much" power as it is. One reason they limted them to 1000ft.
I have no doubt that if those limits were removed then turbochargers, dohc, and 4 valves per cylinder is what everyone would run. It's simply more efficent in terms of making every last HP.
Comparing a carburated Hemi verses a Cammer with mechanical injection is a fair comparison?...not hardly...
@ChiefCabioch
That's a valid point! The differences in fuel delivery systems definitely play a significant role in performance. Each engine has its own strengths!
The cammer delivered more than 500 hp. In its stock form it was in the 600 & above.
That's a 426 max wedge
Both are bad ass engine’s. Which is better? If tuned right the Cammer will take the Hemi. Cammer unfortunately has a lot a chain issue from what old articles stated. Hemi is more reliable. But again a well built and tuned Hemi should keep up with Cammer.
I know cubic inches were king in the 60's. I have often wondered if Ford had done an overhead cam version of their small block 289/302 in the 60's. I bet that it would not have been banned so quickly, and it probably could have won races with a mile per gallon advantage. in 1971 a relatively unknown Nascar team with a Daytona Charger and a 305 LA engine, competing against 426 Hemis and Boss 429s, placed 7th at Talladega after wrecking. Still, look at what Ford has achieved with their 5.0 Coyote engine!
Both engines were essentually hemi engines. The "cammer" traided the dodge hemi's somewhat cumbersome pushrod and rocker arm gemometry issues for heavy, very long timing chain issues.
In some sense these idea live on today with the modern dodge "hemi" and ford coyote.
I had a 427 side oiler in a 1969 mustang GT .before I enhanced it it dynoed at 650 horses ,so I don't know where the got the 500 from .
I had a stock Chevy 327 for a '66 Nova and it dyno'd at 1100 HP at 12,000 RPMs...
@buzzwaldron6195 would like to have seen that .All hi po motors were underrated in the 60s that's a fact .
why are their no cammers in top fuel today to complecated
NHRA banned overhead cam engines.
IF CHRYSLER WAS THE MOST POWERFUL AND THE FASTEST ? TGEN WHY DID CHRYSLER HAVE THE CAMMER BANNED FROM NASCAR ???
CHRYSLER didn't!
You show a 426 Wedge. Not a 426 Hemi on the video preview picture. Really?
AI video, what did you expect
@ my bad. I thought the i in ai was intelligence?
@@randylear8264
Ain't nuthin' like the real thing, baby😊
@ not yet anyhow
If both were stock the Cammer would beat any Hemi and it wouldn’t be close. Don’t believe me ask anyone that is old enough to remember. The Elephant motor was a great design but it weighed way way too much (800lbs) and did not rev up fast enough. That’s the truth! Now, from a reliability perspective it’s not even close. You could comfortably get 12 to 14 passes with a Hemi, not with the Cammer, not even close.
SOHC 🎤⬇️
The funny part is
Where are the butt hurt chevy guys. You’re not gonna cry that GM couldn’t even compete.
@thomaschambers9431
It's always interesting to see the friendly rivalries in the car community! Each brand has its strengths and weaknesses, but at the end of the day, we all love the thrill of speed.
😮 the 426 hemi is the true winner 🏆. Although is was not perfect but it was way better than the cammer ford. The hammer was to expensive to keep them on the track.
@ericneumann8114 You know what they say, the Hemi might be the "king of the track," but every king has its court! The Cammer Ford definitely had its moments, even if it was a bit pricey!
Ill take the hemi
I wish I owned either one.
Ford never put the Cammer in a production car.
I'm gonna go with an expert here. Don Garlits AKA Big Daddy has a race version SOHC in a case in his museum in Ocala. His words are , if Ford had not pulled the plug , the 427 SOHC would be a contender in Top Fuel today. But , NHRA as far as I'm concerned , is going the way of NASCAR. Boring. The only good thing , is being at an event to witness the shock and awe of Top Fuel. Pro Stock totally stinks now btw. Factory Stock is good so far. But NHRA is rapidly looking more grim everyday. My opinion. I would love to have either engine , but that rare Cammer would be special.
@srt8rocketship241 Thank you for sharing your insights! Don Garlits is such an iconic figure in racing, and his perspective really adds depth to the conversation. Your passion for these engines is contagious! top fuel pro stock fever has a hold of me now , A 427 Cammer in a case feels like it should be Free to breath and fuel the next genration of enthusiast
This is got to be one of the crappiest videos on engines.
I don't hate either but Chrysler used a non-production engine without penalty. Ford already had OHC from decades earlier. So the they designed the 427 SOHC had it made to production and was shut down by NASCAR owner for too much power potential. Which was ridiculous going for rule like that then why was the experimental Hemi allowed to run? Ford had to use the 427 with revised rev kit. The Hemi was banned in 65. Ford begun to build the Boss 429 after reading the new rules and it went to the wing car battles. This might hurt some butts but the SOHC was capable of more power with higher rpm then the Hemi. The SOHC was too expensive for most racers. It had a learning curve with limited number of engines. Hemi's were made for a much longer time and in far more numbers. It had issues as did the SOHC.
The Boss 429 should be up against the Hemi. I think the Boss will win. But you'll find ten times as many Hemi's as a Boss. Hemi's have aftermarket everthing. Boss has limited stuff from Kaase and the SOHC sparse parts with even worse rumors of lost money or parts that are useless with a ghost dealing. Horrible stuff for SOHC fans. Hemi's used for NHRA are not anything like a street Hemi. The name is about it.
how Pontiac swept nascar in 1962.
No the Mopar was heavier that was the problem they've always had 4200 lb car versus a 3200 lb car
This is more clickbait than everything! Both engines are top notch, the most exquisit tech there was. But the cammer was a "strange thing", it needed special care.
When the Hemi was managable in a home gamer setting the Cammer needed special everything. Knowledge, tooling… In that perspective the Hemi is my favourite.
But the Cammer is that special Unicorn. Why the US manufacturers didn´t go that way to begin with is beyond my paygrade. In Europe everyone went with DOHC or at least OHC.
Maybe the US didn´t care so much about efficiency when their oil flowed like water and the gallon was five cents…
Geography is a big reason. In the USA we have long, straight, flat roads, and Americans enjoyed big, comfortable, smooth vehicles with engines that loafed along effortlessly at high vehicle speeds. In Europe and much of the rest of the world, cars are driven a lot on twisty roads with many elevation changes where small cars with small engines that have to work at higher rpm levels are more practical for the environment they are used in.
@@mickangio16 Thanks Mate, beautifully summed up. Makes very much sense.
88Miles are like 140km/h- Not the quickest but not shabby. Again, I´m thinking Europe.
For a 71Continental Landyacht, aerodynamic like a brick- that´s good.
What were they doing? Maybe 15mls/gal?
That´s like nearly 15L/100km- That´s well!
A 44Hp 71 Beetle drank the same and more…
So Yeah, I see what You´re saying, I just was in the mood for a little thought experiment/comparison.
And I´d take the Lincoln any day…
Thanks for the time
YOU FAILED TO MENTION THE CAMMER WAS ALSO A HEMI!!
The cammer had to carry a 600 lb. Weight penalty. It was a way better engine by almost all measures.
The hammer that’s why NASCAR ultimately would not let it run 4.5 yrs down the road they did the same thing to the Biss 429
The Chrysler Hemi was superior and dominated NHRA. Every Top Fuel engine used today is based off the Hemi and not a Cammer.
oh suck an egg = IT IS NOT ALL ABOUT hp = torque IS THE KEY TO A GREAT 1/4 MILE RUN ! = YOU NEED HP BUT TORQUE IS A BIG DEAL !
Horsepower is a by product of torque any way
Horsepower gets the glory. Torque does the work.
When talking top fuel, staying together under heavy doses of nitro and advances in timing over 50 degrees is a factor on the quarter mile.
And the cammer also had hemispheric combustion chambers with the cam between intake and exhaust valves on top. For AA/FD I'll take what everybody competitive relies on: The Chrysler.
The Ford needed further develpment, and they must have been heavy
Now a cammer is worth a fortune and hemi's are a dime a dozen.
And boss 429 was hemi also
The Hemi is the winner in history is the proof Nitro Hemi is the most powerful engine on Earth today
Actually, the Wärtsilä is the most powerful, but it's the size of an apartment building😊
Nascar screwed ford with both the cammer and the boss 429! Just as they screwed up racing all the way to today! Racing is about competition and innovation, look what they did to the Daytona and Superbird forexample! Restricted plates, it is nothing more than watching a train go around the track!
Ah ... The good old days !
The cammer was banned because the hemi is more akin to a hopped up truck motor and otherwise can’t compare to the refined powerband of the cammer!!
…and 98% of the viewers don’t subscribe to your channel because you need to do deeper research.
@Alaska_Engineer thank you for your kindness! hahah ironically , with more subscribers we are able to fund deeper resurcher , i wish you well
I hate these phones it changed Cammer to commercial.
@anthonytumbarello9940
hate is such a strong emotion , directed towards a inanamate object like a phone, why ?
This AI voice is every where
FORD #1 First on race day!
no it stands for fix or repair daly
And, FOUND ON ROAD DEAD. @@robbecker4122
I'm a CAMMER fan.
The ford SOHC DID NOT COME OUT UNTIL 1965 NOT 1964
@anthonytumbarello9940
define come out? it did exsist in 1964 under the secret development at FORD , You're absolutely right! The Ford SOHC was indeed introduced in 1965. Thanks for catching that!
Cover pic not hemi but 426 wedge head. Tacky.