Duraludon is a fun case. The company was aiming for its success and popularity, then it became a steel Druddigon, so they just gave up and designed a new pseudo-legendary stat evolution
@@yl861 Even funnier is that they were clearly trying to bill it as a sort of ‘rival’ to Tyranitar in marketing, and have it basically be the de facto Mechagodzilla Pokemon Then they just straight up made a Pokémon that’s Mechagodzilla in gen 9 that did it a million times better than Duraludon
Hey, turns out Gmax is also completely botched in Pokémon GO to an insane degree. For starters, only Pokémon you catch at power spots can DYNAmax, completely missing the point of the mechanic to begin with, you need to visit a lot of power spots and candy to unlock and power up their Max Moves, not to mention leveling them up to begin with, as they come at Lv20 as every other Pokémon from raids, which costs a lot of candy and stardust. Oh also you can only collect so many max particles necessary to power up from power spots every day, limiting how much you can grind, those same particles are used to participate in Max Raids. But it's alright, Gigantamax is totally worth it in the end, right? No, GMax moves are at least 1/3rd stronger than the respective Max move, so that's pretty significant, but you can only have the one Gmax move instead of being able to change it (for example GMax Charizard can only have GMax Wildfire, while regular humble Charizard could have Max Flare, Max Airstream, Max Wyrmwind), they cost ALL the max particles you could collect daily, *AND* they take anywhere from 15~35 people to beat. I don't know what the hell Niantic was thinking. Even strong Legendary Pokémon in regular raids take only 4 people. Oh, and you can only do Max Raids locally. You can't organize or invite friends from across the globe. GOOD EFFING LUCK finding a dozen local players if you live in a small town that *can* do Legendary Raids comfortably--not even Rural Areas where that's not even a possibility.
Base HP absolutely demands 252 EVs for reinforcement, but the combo seems obvious. That being said, I've run Eviolite Doublade twice, for similar reasons.
g-max feels like they wanted to soften the blow of losing megas a little bit by giving pokemon new forms in another way, but because it needs to exist within the system of the main mechanic without overshadowing it and ruining the point of all pokemon being able to dynamax as opposed to a select few...yeah
I think two easy ways to make Gigantamax worth it is to either: 1. Give the Pokemon a stat boost 2. Keep the original effect of their Max Move's type in addition to the unique one. E.g.: Gmax Gravitas setting up Gravity AND Psychic Terrain.
What would you think of making the G-Max move's effect just be a passive trait? Not a new Ability replacing the one they have (as Megas did), but more something like Grass-types' immunity to powder moves, except it's applied to all damaging attacks the G-Max Pokemon uses. Too broken, or fitting enough for a once-per-battle, three-turn limit form that you REALLY have to go out of your way for?
The issue here is not Gravity, I really love the effect and want it to be more relevant. It’s just unfortunate that G-Max Gravitas was slapped on one of the Pokémon who appreciates the Gravity the least it’ll probably only get one perfect Hypnosis anyway since unless you actively avoid setting up Gravity (and thus using your best attacking move), you’ll only have a single turn to use it while at normal size. Even then, that’s assuming that you end up using Hypnosis on that last turn anyway, there’s a ton of instances where you’d rather switch or take the kill.
Another good example is G-Max Charizard not being able to set its own sun with its fire type moves. It’s hidden ability makes it deal more damage in the sun as well as just straight up boosting fire moves so missing out for some chip damage is kinda lame
I mean this incredibly kindly, probably the worst example you could use there. G-Max Charizard was one of, if not the best Dynamax attacker in the game because Solar Power, Sun boosted G-Max Wildfires hit like a bullet train and the effect was just that overpowered. If it meant slapping a Torkoal or Groudon on your team to set sun up instead, so be it. Point very much agreed tho, it feels like a lot of G-Max moves were them not knowing what to give them and just slapping the most random efforts on them (why did G-Max Gold Rush confuse, makes no sense)
Gen 8 asks a simple question: “What if Mega Evolution was significantly worse, more limited, less useable, harder to find, and BANNED IN COMPETITIVE PLAY”
I feel like with Dyna/Gigantamax GF was trying to strike a balance between Megas giving some Pokemon a new marketable form, and Z-moves being usable for every Pokemon (with some Pokemon getting exclusive moves). I can respect their reasoning, even if it wasn't implemented well.
Yea we didn’t talk too much about Dynamax in general, but I’ve always found the whole thing kinda clumsy. It’s not the worst thing in the universe, but it’s not my favorite
Honestly more people would have like Dynamax more if it was just Gigantamax. Giving everything x2 HP and Max moves and all random immunities is just kind of dumb. For perspective, base Rayquaza using Max version of Dragon Ascent does more damage than Mega Rayquaza using the same move. 252 Atk Rayquaza Max Airstream (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 118-139 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- 22.6% chance to 3HKO 252 Atk Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 117-138 (29.6 - 35%) -- 13.4% chance to 3HKO This is on top of removing Dragon Ascent’s drawback, giving +1 to speed, bypassing protect, having x2 HP, and all the other benefits of Dynamax. So yeah if Dynamax mechanically outclasses Mega Rayquaza, MAYBE it should only be on a select few shitmons.
I'm more concerned by the mechanics themselves. In both cases, it wasn't a matter of the Mon, but how the activation turn went. The "This should really use up your turn" thing in particular was cranked up with Dynamax by recalling the Mon as part of the activation ... which also highlighted how it should've reset stages and volatiles.
Terastal's the only super that grew on me, and the Mankey's Paw still struck SV for the reasons you said. The story was forgettable and the engi🤮 sorry about that
I think the reason almost no gen 6 mons got megas is because the mechanic was meant to breathe life into older mons, and any pokemon that got one in gen 6 would have been designed with a mega evolution in mind, and that means the base form would inevitably become bad when mega went away. Diancie is a great example. It's pretty bad without its mega because it's base form just has a bad stat spread, but it was meant to meta evolve.
It's more like that Mega only exists to pull in older players. After the flop of Gen 5, it makes sense that GF was worried about their first 3D mainline game and thus used nostalgia to get hook older players. So it would have made no sense for Kalos pokemon to mega-evovle as they were new.
I do prefer gigantamax designs over mega designs but megas were absolutely the better gimmick. Dynamax as a whole really got screwed. No one likes it. Sucks that many gmax moves are downgrades from regular max moves but I feel like there’s a way to work around that.
@@THEINEVITABLECONCLUSION yeah but all lf you are nobodies. GMAX was just bad. And even if there have been some cute designs like with Kingler, Lapras or Pikachu - majority of them were dreadful. I mean Kanto starters haven't ever looked uglier, Flappletun is just lazy. Eevee and Snorlax are nonsensical.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MATT!! 🥳 This has to be the FASTEST I've ever clicked on a notification for any video on TH-cam... LOL Also, you guys mentioned about Mega Garchomp being worse than its regular form in competitive play, we can say the same thing for Dusknoir if we compare it to its pre-evolution, Dusclops, who's much bulkier and harder to K.O., while Dusknoir is just... very underwhelming, honestly.
2:20 explain: In competitive base have 102 (B) spd and it's help to move faster than a lot of good Pokémon but mega has only 92. So lots of people think that worst for a svepar but mega is a more of a tank
1:37 It's worth mentioning that Mega Glalie's refrigerate is kinda not useful, as it's only Normal type moves that can take advantage of it are Self Destruct/Explosion (If they are made into TM/Tutor moves, since it cannot learn them as of now), Body Slam, the already boosted by Ice Weather Ball if in Hail/Snow and the two recharge moves of Hyper Beam/Giga Impact, since Frustration/Return are removed This is like the Mega Banette situation, where it has Prankster as the primary ability and it's only good status moves for Singles are Will-o-wisp, thunder wave and the super situational Destiny Bond
By this logic, M-Altaria and M-Pinser have wasted abilities becasue they both are in the exact same situation. M-Glalie's issues more stem from its underwhelming stat spread and unfavorable niche, not its frankly fantastic ability Also M-Banette's prankster destiny bond is its own exclusive trait. It hits hard(Especially with it getting Poltergeist over the weak Shadow Claw) then can cripple the opponent before going down with a debilitating status. Its way better since it got Swords Dance and Poltergeist, so the worst kitted Mega isnt that one
@@sterling8389Well, Mega Altaria can take advantage of Hyper Voice while Mega Pinsir literally gets STAB priority Quick Attack, so these are still better than Glalie As for Banette, I still feel that wasting a Mega slot for priority Destiny bond isn't worth when you have better physical ghost alternatives. After all, it's still considered a Noobtrap
Happy Birthday, Matt :D Also yeah I have to agree, G-Max Depletion is so buns; Electro Shot blows it out of the water :( Like, I'm still tryna figure out the logistics on that one. How does a skyscraper deplete... anything?
5:40 To be fair Spite has more usage now, due to recovery moves nerf. It's ok against Stall teams, but then again, we barely ever get Stall teams these days. 7:50 Let's be real for a moment - GMAX moves should have had the new effects on top of the regular DMAX effects. Psychic Terrain + Gravity would be cool. Attack Buff + Focus Energy - cool.
Some of these G-Max moves really were for doubles. I got some serious use out of Gravitas for some fun Gravity strats. It’s helpful to set it and do damage at the same time
Dusclops was my favorite Pokemon for a very long time after the Jirachi movie. It still is one of my top 5/10. The best part of Dusknoir is eviolite (it has a pretty kick ass design admittedly)
The funniest part is that literally everyone and their mother knew that Dynamax and Gigantamax forms were extremely lame from the get go. The moment they announced those, majority of the fandom hated it and found it extremely unoriginal. Especially right after Z-Moves that were also whatever. And lack of Megas put a lot of bad taste in a lot of people's mouths. Also Dusclops these...
I think it’d be neat if they repurposed these G-Max forms the next time Mega Evolution comes back. Instead of giving the Pokemon a Mega Stone, you give it a Wishing Star, and then you can Mega Evolve it into a reasonably-sized version of the G-max form. Maybe they implement the G-max moves into the Pokemon’s normal moveset? Or maybe they replace appropriately-typed moves upon “Mega Evolving.” Could even mess with HP when giving bonus stats now that there’s precedent for how that’d work.
I genuinely never understood why they didn't just allow GMAX Cuddle to just work on every Pokémon. And they also had good opportunity to finally fix Attract in that gen and let Pokémon like Cryogonal work on all genders (or at least on Genderless Pokémon). As the attraction in both cases is more about beauty/cuteness than actual gender based attraction. Also with GMAX Eevee being linked to Partner Eevee - they missed opportunity to give it 8 different GMAX moves based on the Partner moves it gets in LGPE. I mean they could just name it GMAX Cuddle and have the same animation for all, but have the type be different (effect could also be either the same or as a copy of the broken moves). Or they could have copied Eevee Z-Move mechanic.
Gigantimax is just an extension of Dynamax like Z-MOVES. they aren’t going to make anything like megas anytime soon because those are unbalanced and a pretty bad idea from a balancing standpoint
Megas are more interesting than G-Max, and while both have a limited number of mons eligible, every pokemon can Dynamax. (Most of the G-Max forms are pretty cool, though.)
In defense, *some* G-Max moves are better than the Max moves. Example, when Venusaur Gigantamaxs instead of having Max Overgrowth (which will heal pokemon that aren't flying type or have levitate) he'll have G-Max Vine Lash (which will damage the opponents regardless of the typing and ability)
This is a bit doomer but I think it is for the best next to no Kalosian Pokemon had megas as I just know a lot would be half baked or there would be lines trapped at two members where the improvement into the third one are basically meant to make up for lacking a second evo; and they'd all be suffering as hell when it moved to new generations without Megas but more notably if you just wanted to run two of these half baked pokemon on a team and suffer since you can only make one into a real party member each fight.
Dynamax is a criminally boring mechanic that didn't do anything I wanted it to do when I first saw it. I was hoping for some kind of stat alteration beyond HP and I absolutely hate how they handled max moves in general. A powerful move with a secondary effect that makes you harder to take down or makes your enemies easier to? That's just boring.
I mean, all gimmicks are very Basic on mechanical level. Though, dmax and z moves were certainly the flashiest ones. Terra is the most balanced one yet, but definitely loses in being exciting. Megas would've been amazing, but they distributed them poorly
i do think that for gmax orbeetle, there could be a strategy in double battles for mons with moves that are less accurate or flapple and grav apple, which gets stronger in gravity
@@mn3iscoolyes Dusclops, The GMax mon that got quickbanned before Dynamax as a whole got banned because it limited team building, Yaknow the gen 8 version of Revive Cats.
We missed out on mashed potato talk. That’s very sad. Have a rotten potato birthday Matt. (In reality, happy birthday) Edit: oh cool, the cut talks are now member content. You know what your listeners want, and I respect that. Dusclops approved. :)
Is it just me or have their videos been sped up? Like (and I know I'm weird for this) I used to watch these videos at 0.75x speed so Matt's talking speed wouldn't overwhelm me, and it would be cozy, but now when I lower the playback speed to 0.75x, it sounds just as overwhelmingly fast as it used to before I started watching at 0.75x speed
I’d say that Z-moves would be the most disappointing gimmick, you only could use it once per battle, and in competitive, they were a stressful thing for both players: it can kill a good member of one team, but they may waste the move when they use a Z-move that can be negated (example: any dragon z-move against the almighty Flabebe)
I didn't do any gen-7 PvP, but you were probably using a Z-Status for the added effects instead of a Z-Damage for the blowout. IIRC the only Z-Move to get banned was Extreme Evoboost, which was ++Everything. Slap on Baton Pass and unless your opponent could Haze or phaze, lol bye
I feel megas were giving to a decent amount of popular pokemon just for making merchandise. Excluding Beedrill, Mawile, Sableye, Lopunny, Audino, maybe Gardevoir?, and Kangaskahn. Every other mega was just clout
Beedrill just needed a srraight up buff. Like give it the Simple ability and the shift gear skill or something like that. Tinted lense or skill link could be good too. Its just that rather than fixing beedrill they gave it a gimmick that is limited to 1 per team and there are much better choices. It needed a real buff. The worst thing for me is that since megas aren't real evolutions you can't even slap an eviolite on it for survivability.
I think its the exact opposite, I think Megas were designed around buffing a few specific pokemon like Beedrill or Banette, then in order to make the idea successful it needed to be put on 'popular' pokemon. That's why the non popular picks feel so random and arbitrary but they were all pokemon who desperately needed something.
Dynamax already needs a _nerf_ ...but if you nerfed Maxes altogether, Gigantamax being a fifth slot would've been interesting. Maybe limit it to 1 ammo though.
G max cuddle is not the worst when everything in the right place. It's goes well like a secondary effectives from a non serine Grace Pokémon. Getting a status condition from any elemental punches. "Let's go eevee partner eevee" and evolite just for normal eevee.
Sandaconda is one that doesn't work well either G-Max Sandblast inflicts Bind. That can be helpful in doubles but in Singles you waste too many turns for it to be effective Max Quake, The standard Max Ground Move, Increases the Sp. Def. of you and your ally. That is strictly better as it Walls Special attackers.
You want a comment about Dusclops? Here you go. Dusclops with an eviolite completely outclasses its own evolution, as is the case with a lot of Pokémon
they should give the pokemon with gigantamax forms megas that at least reference their gmax forms. except the ones who already have megas. we don't need a third charizard mega.
I personally don't like z moves and terrastalization. The little dance your character had to do was pretty goofy in my opinion. Terrastalization just looks like the pokemon gets a different coloured chandelier on its head. Also I don't play competitive.
MandJTV did a video about which Gmax pokemon are better and we found out the following Most of the water types suck because rain is better than their other effects The Apples suck befause their effects dont help them. The shotgun snake is good because sandstorm being set up on its stab move is awesome Meowth is a toss-up (depending on if its a playthroygh or multiplayer) And Gengar, Hatterene, Alcremie and Garbodor are great because their Gmax effects are way better than the vanilla effects
I loved megas as a kid, still do, and most of you guys' points i do agree with though, megas aren't perfect by far, (we need more good trash-mons) same with gigantimax, (it's way more of a pain to obtain the shrooms needed for that)(thoughwe can all agree that both mechanics do have killer designs) but gigantimax does have a one-up on z-moves that being able to set up hazards while doing damage like G-max Steelsurge, and being able to use said moves more than once while also not taking up an item slot, i though would also put terastalization over Gigantimax/Dynamax because its definitely the most unique out of the four, being able to change your type at will is innovative as flip and makes for some more game-changing strategy for battles id still put megas on top though, with teras close behind, nice video, yall never fail to make me chuckle, you guys make it less believable yall passed English class every video(make lumileon a water/fire type based on and orca and give it fire blast instead of flamethrower) and, uh, have a rotten b-day i guess😂
It way more balence than mega evo to be honest, dmax and gmax dont need percific pokemon like mega evo, which make people can have more creative in build a team, 3 turn make you think harder when activating it and not stupidly losing it in a single use just like zmove. Overal, in my opinion, dmgm is the second best gimmick after tera
Maybe you need to realize that mega flygon wasn't in the game and z moves were just more powerful attacks ( other than the special ones ,I like those😊)
everybody wish matt a rotten birthday
no, happy birthday matt
@@Gadi872yes, unhappy birthday matt
@@TheChaosThatIsMyMind yesno, unhappyhappy birthday matt
Dang I share my birthday with his
@@t-animations9691 no, happy unbirthday Elias
As a non competitive player the worst thing is that you can't catch a pokemon that gigantimax and have it gigantimax, it has to be special.
Unless you have the DLC, then you can give any Pokemon the G-Max Factor with the soup from the Isle of Armor.
@@robertlupa8273but that’s in the dlc, so your starter can’t gigantimax unless you pay for the dlc.
@@Scorbunzx My bad. I have the mindset of "never give TPC any money, only emulate the games", so I didn't even think about the price. Sorry! 😅
@@robertlupa8273 it’s better than buying a copy of the game you already have but with more content but still.
Yeah that was the dumbest thing ever when you first get dynamax, but your starter just gets big and doesn't change form.
all I can say is that raihan was probably pissed when his signature mon got a powerful evolution the next gen
Duraludon is a fun case. The company was aiming for its success and popularity, then it became a steel Druddigon, so they just gave up and designed a new pseudo-legendary stat evolution
@@yl861
Even funnier is that they were clearly trying to bill it as a sort of ‘rival’ to Tyranitar in marketing, and have it basically be the de facto Mechagodzilla Pokemon
Then they just straight up made a Pokémon that’s Mechagodzilla in gen 9 that did it a million times better than Duraludon
@@yl861archaladon made duraladon better because of eviolite.
3:44… G-Max Chicago Strike, delivered unhesitating by Elias, gave me a chuckle from a good, healthy place in my soul🤣🤣
G-Max Cheese Strike :P
Is that an All-Might move?
Hey, turns out Gmax is also completely botched in Pokémon GO to an insane degree. For starters, only Pokémon you catch at power spots can DYNAmax, completely missing the point of the mechanic to begin with, you need to visit a lot of power spots and candy to unlock and power up their Max Moves, not to mention leveling them up to begin with, as they come at Lv20 as every other Pokémon from raids, which costs a lot of candy and stardust. Oh also you can only collect so many max particles necessary to power up from power spots every day, limiting how much you can grind, those same particles are used to participate in Max Raids. But it's alright, Gigantamax is totally worth it in the end, right?
No, GMax moves are at least 1/3rd stronger than the respective Max move, so that's pretty significant, but you can only have the one Gmax move instead of being able to change it (for example GMax Charizard can only have GMax Wildfire, while regular humble Charizard could have Max Flare, Max Airstream, Max Wyrmwind), they cost ALL the max particles you could collect daily, *AND* they take anywhere from 15~35 people to beat.
I don't know what the hell Niantic was thinking. Even strong Legendary Pokémon in regular raids take only 4 people. Oh, and you can only do Max Raids locally. You can't organize or invite friends from across the globe. GOOD EFFING LUCK finding a dozen local players if you live in a small town that *can* do Legendary Raids comfortably--not even Rural Areas where that's not even a possibility.
Thank you! You totally get it!
Gigantamax isn't it's own thing, just an extension of dynamax, like how some pokemon get signature z-moves
That doesn't change that it's underwhelming and in many cases outright bad.
The fact Eevee had an useful Z-move, instead of the nonsensical gender depending G-max move
@yl861 Stakataka flat out counters that attack, too.
Immense physical defense.
Genderless
4x resistance
Dusclops with Eviolite is very Bulky and sexy
Base HP absolutely demands 252 EVs for reinforcement, but the combo seems obvious.
That being said, I've run Eviolite Doublade twice, for similar reasons.
g-max feels like they wanted to soften the blow of losing megas a little bit by giving pokemon new forms in another way, but because it needs to exist within the system of the main mechanic without overshadowing it and ruining the point of all pokemon being able to dynamax as opposed to a select few...yeah
I think two easy ways to make Gigantamax worth it is to either:
1. Give the Pokemon a stat boost
2. Keep the original effect of their Max Move's type in addition to the unique one.
E.g.: Gmax Gravitas setting up Gravity AND Psychic Terrain.
What would you think of making the G-Max move's effect just be a passive trait? Not a new Ability replacing the one they have (as Megas did), but more something like Grass-types' immunity to powder moves, except it's applied to all damaging attacks the G-Max Pokemon uses. Too broken, or fitting enough for a once-per-battle, three-turn limit form that you REALLY have to go out of your way for?
People who dunk on gravity don’t know the pain of being hit by 100% accurate hypnosis.
It's not 100% but God I hate Yanma Hypnosis
Wait, it gives a global evade break?
The issue here is not Gravity, I really love the effect and want it to be more relevant. It’s just unfortunate that G-Max Gravitas was slapped on one of the Pokémon who appreciates the Gravity the least
it’ll probably only get one perfect Hypnosis anyway since unless you actively avoid setting up Gravity (and thus using your best attacking move), you’ll only have a single turn to use it while at normal size. Even then, that’s assuming that you end up using Hypnosis on that last turn anyway, there’s a ton of instances where you’d rather switch or take the kill.
I think tera-types are the best gimmic mechanically, but megas are the best presentation wise. Gigantimax just isn't done well either way.
When we get mega Garchomp scale shot he will be redeemed
It can't hold an item like the loaded dice though so that's not going to deal as much damage (it is still 170 attack and a free +1 in speed)
@straybomb the speed boost is all that matters
@@MikeXeno365 Imagine if it could learn Agility!
@@robertlupa8273 what it needs is Dragon Dance but they're too afraid to give it to Garchomp
@@MikeXeno365Just make a new Ice/Fairy that outspeeds Garchomp and with a great Sp Attack & Speed to keep Garchomp in it's place.
Another good example is G-Max Charizard not being able to set its own sun with its fire type moves. It’s hidden ability makes it deal more damage in the sun as well as just straight up boosting fire moves so missing out for some chip damage is kinda lame
@@dannysantos1592 i mean gmax wildfire was absolutely busted though
@ true I didn’t realize it was 1/6th chip. Not as bad as i thought lol
I mean this incredibly kindly, probably the worst example you could use there. G-Max Charizard was one of, if not the best Dynamax attacker in the game because Solar Power, Sun boosted G-Max Wildfires hit like a bullet train and the effect was just that overpowered. If it meant slapping a Torkoal or Groudon on your team to set sun up instead, so be it.
Point very much agreed tho, it feels like a lot of G-Max moves were them not knowing what to give them and just slapping the most random efforts on them (why did G-Max Gold Rush confuse, makes no sense)
Ok but G-Max Eevee is adorable and deserves all the cuddles
You would become the gum on it's Gumshoos
@sonogramgrl nuh uh I'd get lost in all its floof, it'll be so soft and warm 💜
@@cjlite0210 Okay! be safe stranger!
ok but how are we supposed to give it a hug it's absolutely massive
Gen 8 asks a simple question: “What if Mega Evolution was significantly worse, more limited, less useable, harder to find, and BANNED IN COMPETITIVE PLAY”
I feel like with Dyna/Gigantamax GF was trying to strike a balance between Megas giving some Pokemon a new marketable form, and Z-moves being usable for every Pokemon (with some Pokemon getting exclusive moves). I can respect their reasoning, even if it wasn't implemented well.
Yea we didn’t talk too much about Dynamax in general, but I’ve always found the whole thing kinda clumsy. It’s not the worst thing in the universe, but it’s not my favorite
Honestly more people would have like Dynamax more if it was just Gigantamax.
Giving everything x2 HP and Max moves and all random immunities is just kind of dumb.
For perspective, base Rayquaza using Max version of Dragon Ascent does more damage than Mega Rayquaza using the same move.
252 Atk Rayquaza Max Airstream (140 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 118-139 (29.9 - 35.2%) -- 22.6% chance to 3HKO
252 Atk Rayquaza-Mega Dragon Ascent vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Avalugg: 117-138 (29.6 - 35%) -- 13.4% chance to 3HKO
This is on top of removing Dragon Ascent’s drawback, giving +1 to speed, bypassing protect, having x2 HP, and all the other benefits of Dynamax.
So yeah if Dynamax mechanically outclasses Mega Rayquaza, MAYBE it should only be on a select few shitmons.
@@CuddlyTheMadElite I don’t care about the numbers.
It was a much better transformation and Super Mode
I'm more concerned by the mechanics themselves. In both cases, it wasn't a matter of the Mon, but how the activation turn went.
The "This should really use up your turn" thing in particular was cranked up with Dynamax by recalling the Mon as part of the activation ... which also highlighted how it should've reset stages and volatiles.
I miss when the games didn't have gimmicks and instead the developers focused on putting that effort into the story and gameplay
Terastal's the only super that grew on me, and the Mankey's Paw still struck SV for the reasons you said. The story was forgettable and the engi🤮
sorry about that
Release the mash potato cut!
Fr i was offended when he saidbthat wasn't wat we were here for
One of the things I remember most about dynamax is that it actually made Dracovish worse (by a considerable amount)
I think the reason almost no gen 6 mons got megas is because the mechanic was meant to breathe life into older mons, and any pokemon that got one in gen 6 would have been designed with a mega evolution in mind, and that means the base form would inevitably become bad when mega went away.
Diancie is a great example. It's pretty bad without its mega because it's base form just has a bad stat spread, but it was meant to meta evolve.
It's more like that Mega only exists to pull in older players.
After the flop of Gen 5, it makes sense that GF was worried about their first 3D mainline game and thus used nostalgia to get hook older players.
So it would have made no sense for Kalos pokemon to mega-evovle as they were new.
I do prefer gigantamax designs over mega designs but megas were absolutely the better gimmick.
Dynamax as a whole really got screwed. No one likes it.
Sucks that many gmax moves are downgrades from regular max moves but I feel like there’s a way to work around that.
I really liked Dynamax and Gigantamax
2nd person to say it but, “no one liked it” was a huge overstatement. I know a lot of people and they all like it.
@@THEINEVITABLECONCLUSION yeah but all lf you are nobodies. GMAX was just bad. And even if there have been some cute designs like with Kingler, Lapras or Pikachu - majority of them were dreadful. I mean Kanto starters haven't ever looked uglier, Flappletun is just lazy. Eevee and Snorlax are nonsensical.
@@mjm3091 well excuse me for having an opinion.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, MATT!! 🥳
This has to be the FASTEST I've ever clicked on a notification for any video on TH-cam... LOL
Also, you guys mentioned about Mega Garchomp being worse than its regular form in competitive play, we can say the same thing for Dusknoir if we compare it to its pre-evolution, Dusclops, who's much bulkier and harder to K.O., while Dusknoir is just... very underwhelming, honestly.
2:20 explain:
In competitive base have 102 (B) spd and it's help to move faster than a lot of good Pokémon but mega has only 92. So lots of people think that worst for a svepar but mega is a more of a tank
1:37 It's worth mentioning that Mega Glalie's refrigerate is kinda not useful, as it's only Normal type moves that can take advantage of it are Self Destruct/Explosion (If they are made into TM/Tutor moves, since it cannot learn them as of now), Body Slam, the already boosted by Ice Weather Ball if in Hail/Snow and the two recharge moves of Hyper Beam/Giga Impact, since Frustration/Return are removed
This is like the Mega Banette situation, where it has Prankster as the primary ability and it's only good status moves for Singles are Will-o-wisp, thunder wave and the super situational Destiny Bond
By this logic, M-Altaria and M-Pinser have wasted abilities becasue they both are in the exact same situation.
M-Glalie's issues more stem from its underwhelming stat spread and unfavorable niche, not its frankly fantastic ability
Also M-Banette's prankster destiny bond is its own exclusive trait. It hits hard(Especially with it getting Poltergeist over the weak Shadow Claw) then can cripple the opponent before going down with a debilitating status. Its way better since it got Swords Dance and Poltergeist, so the worst kitted Mega isnt that one
@@sterling8389Well, Mega Altaria can take advantage of Hyper Voice while Mega Pinsir literally gets STAB priority Quick Attack, so these are still better than Glalie
As for Banette, I still feel that wasting a Mega slot for priority Destiny bond isn't worth when you have better physical ghost alternatives. After all, it's still considered a Noobtrap
1:08 Say that and then they show the only mega that got +90 BST, yeah
Mega Alakazam got its stats buffed by 10 points in gen 7, so it’s a difference of +100 as well
@MEPlaysGames I didn't know that, thanks
I swear if you put Z Moves I’m no longer paying
If he puts megas i am reporting him
@@ProjectMemeversewhy?😂
@@pn2294 it's a joke dude. But not gonna lie megas were awesome
@ they were really overhyped and mostly just nostalgia bait
@@pn2294 still better than just making your pokemon bigger or putting a crystal hat on their head lol.
Happy Birthday, Matt :D
Also yeah I have to agree, G-Max Depletion is so buns; Electro Shot blows it out of the water :( Like, I'm still tryna figure out the logistics on that one. How does a skyscraper deplete... anything?
Something something offices something something bureaucracy
5:40 To be fair Spite has more usage now, due to recovery moves nerf. It's ok against Stall teams, but then again, we barely ever get Stall teams these days.
7:50 Let's be real for a moment - GMAX moves should have had the new effects on top of the regular DMAX effects. Psychic Terrain + Gravity would be cool. Attack Buff + Focus Energy - cool.
happy birthday matt!! duscyops is on my emerald team rn
Some of these G-Max moves really were for doubles. I got some serious use out of Gravitas for some fun Gravity strats. It’s helpful to set it and do damage at the same time
10:45 - And now MandJTV has PM7 who he teams up with from time to time. The duo is restored - part time.
I can't believe Elias is going to prison for helping Dusclops commit tax evasion.
The episodes of the Hoenn anime with the dusclops coordinator were mildly interesting.
Dusclops was my favorite Pokemon for a very long time after the Jirachi movie. It still is one of my top 5/10. The best part of Dusknoir is eviolite (it has a pretty kick ass design admittedly)
The funniest part is that literally everyone and their mother knew that Dynamax and Gigantamax forms were extremely lame from the get go. The moment they announced those, majority of the fandom hated it and found it extremely unoriginal. Especially right after Z-Moves that were also whatever. And lack of Megas put a lot of bad taste in a lot of people's mouths.
Also Dusclops these...
I think it’d be neat if they repurposed these G-Max forms the next time Mega Evolution comes back. Instead of giving the Pokemon a Mega Stone, you give it a Wishing Star, and then you can Mega Evolve it into a reasonably-sized version of the G-max form.
Maybe they implement the G-max moves into the Pokemon’s normal moveset? Or maybe they replace appropriately-typed moves upon “Mega Evolving.” Could even mess with HP when giving bonus stats now that there’s precedent for how that’d work.
I genuinely never understood why they didn't just allow GMAX Cuddle to just work on every Pokémon. And they also had good opportunity to finally fix Attract in that gen and let Pokémon like Cryogonal work on all genders (or at least on Genderless Pokémon). As the attraction in both cases is more about beauty/cuteness than actual gender based attraction.
Also with GMAX Eevee being linked to Partner Eevee - they missed opportunity to give it 8 different GMAX moves based on the Partner moves it gets in LGPE. I mean they could just name it GMAX Cuddle and have the same animation for all, but have the type be different (effect could also be either the same or as a copy of the broken moves). Or they could have copied Eevee Z-Move mechanic.
It took me a year to realize dynamax and Gigantamax are the same
isnt this the same guy that “buffed” megas by absolutely breaking them
Gigantimax is just an extension of Dynamax like Z-MOVES. they aren’t going to make anything like megas anytime soon because those are unbalanced and a pretty bad idea from a balancing standpoint
Petition to get the lost mashed potato discussion back
6:54 I am very upset I couldn’t listen to that. At least put it at the end of the video
Megas are more interesting than G-Max, and while both have a limited number of mons eligible, every pokemon can Dynamax. (Most of the G-Max forms are pretty cool, though.)
Gigantomax proves that bigger is not always better. But I still love my Alpha Bunny.
Dusclops is usable in gen 3 ou
Merry Birthmas Matt~
In defense, *some* G-Max moves are better than the Max moves. Example, when Venusaur Gigantamaxs instead of having Max Overgrowth (which will heal pokemon that aren't flying type or have levitate) he'll have G-Max Vine Lash (which will damage the opponents regardless of the typing and ability)
This is a bit doomer but I think it is for the best next to no Kalosian Pokemon had megas as I just know a lot would be half baked or there would be lines trapped at two members where the improvement into the third one are basically meant to make up for lacking a second evo; and they'd all be suffering as hell when it moved to new generations without Megas but more notably if you just wanted to run two of these half baked pokemon on a team and suffer since you can only make one into a real party member each fight.
Dynamax is a criminally boring mechanic that didn't do anything I wanted it to do when I first saw it. I was hoping for some kind of stat alteration beyond HP and I absolutely hate how they handled max moves in general. A powerful move with a secondary effect that makes you harder to take down or makes your enemies easier to? That's just boring.
I mean, all gimmicks are very Basic on mechanical level. Though, dmax and z moves were certainly the flashiest ones. Terra is the most balanced one yet, but definitely loses in being exciting. Megas would've been amazing, but they distributed them poorly
i do think that for gmax orbeetle, there could be a strategy in double battles for mons with moves that are less accurate or flapple and grav apple, which gets stronger in gravity
I wonder if Dusclops and/or Rayman ever think about each other?
You know, because of the hands.
I can’t believe no one is talking about how op GMax Duskclops is
a 55% accuracy ohko move? how was it ever legal?!
dusclops?
@@mn3iscoolyes Dusclops,
The GMax mon that got quickbanned before Dynamax as a whole got banned because it limited team building,
Yaknow the gen 8 version of Revive Cats.
@@BramLastname I can’t find it online
Tfym Gmax dusclops? Did you dreamt that shit up?
@@bagredecartola1289 you see, it was made up to be humorous
We missed out on mashed potato talk. That’s very sad.
Have a rotten potato birthday Matt. (In reality, happy birthday)
Edit: oh cool, the cut talks are now member content. You know what your listeners want, and I respect that. Dusclops approved. :)
Let’s be honest disappointment and falling flat is the theme of sword and shield
If you have G-Max Pokémon you can’t transfer it to another game like scarlet and violet. Fecking ranging.
Is it just me or have their videos been sped up? Like (and I know I'm weird for this) I used to watch these videos at 0.75x speed so Matt's talking speed wouldn't overwhelm me, and it would be cozy, but now when I lower the playback speed to 0.75x, it sounds just as overwhelmingly fast as it used to before I started watching at 0.75x speed
From one Matt to another, Merry birthmas
I’d say that Z-moves would be the most disappointing gimmick, you only could use it once per battle, and in competitive, they were a stressful thing for both players: it can kill a good member of one team, but they may waste the move when they use a Z-move that can be negated (example: any dragon z-move against the almighty Flabebe)
I didn't do any gen-7 PvP, but you were probably using a Z-Status for the added effects instead of a Z-Damage for the blowout.
IIRC the only Z-Move to get banned was Extreme Evoboost, which was ++Everything. Slap on Baton Pass and unless your opponent could Haze or phaze, lol bye
I will not tolerate Duraludon disrespect
I love dusknoir, dusclops' evolution and grovyle is a great match for dusclops!
duskull is nice, dusclops was weird, dusknoir was unescesary, i want a side evolution of duskull that turns into a reaper
That would have been so much better
Imagining hatterene with a skull face and scythe hands...
@Kos4Evr a cross evolution like those 2 bug pokemon that i keep forgeting the names.... accelgor and the other
@@protopixelart excaligor?
@@Kos4Evr escavalier
Happy birthday matt! 🎂
I feel megas were giving to a decent amount of popular pokemon just for making merchandise. Excluding Beedrill, Mawile, Sableye, Lopunny, Audino, maybe Gardevoir?, and Kangaskahn. Every other mega was just clout
Beedrill just needed a srraight up buff. Like give it the Simple ability and the shift gear skill or something like that. Tinted lense or skill link could be good too.
Its just that rather than fixing beedrill they gave it a gimmick that is limited to 1 per team and there are much better choices. It needed a real buff. The worst thing for me is that since megas aren't real evolutions you can't even slap an eviolite on it for survivability.
I think its the exact opposite, I think Megas were designed around buffing a few specific pokemon like Beedrill or Banette, then in order to make the idea successful it needed to be put on 'popular' pokemon. That's why the non popular picks feel so random and arbitrary but they were all pokemon who desperately needed something.
@@Kos4Evrwhy tf would a bee learn shift gear, like thematically
G-Max moves should have been a bonus 5th move allowing them to use the regular versions
They also could have had the G-Max moves use their own and the regular versions secondary effects together
Dynamax already needs a _nerf_ ...but if you nerfed Maxes altogether, Gigantamax being a fifth slot would've been interesting. Maybe limit it to 1 ammo though.
dusclops
Happy birthday Matt!! make sure you make a Jirachi wish when you blow out the Litwick on your Gigantamax Alcremie 🎉🎂🎈
Gigantamax Machamp uses Chicago Smash
oh boy! I love MEPlaysGames, I sure do hope they talk about mashed potatoes in this one
edit: nvm
G max cuddle is not the worst when everything in the right place.
It's goes well like a secondary effectives from a non serine Grace Pokémon.
Getting a status condition from any elemental punches.
"Let's go eevee partner eevee" and evolite just for normal eevee.
Sandaconda is one that doesn't work well either
G-Max Sandblast inflicts Bind. That can be helpful in doubles but in Singles you waste too many turns for it to be effective
Max Quake, The standard Max Ground Move, Increases the Sp. Def. of you and your ally. That is strictly better as it Walls Special attackers.
You want a comment about Dusclops? Here you go.
Dusclops with an eviolite completely outclasses its own evolution, as is the case with a lot of Pokémon
they should give the pokemon with gigantamax forms megas that at least reference their gmax forms. except the ones who already have megas. we don't need a third charizard mega.
I still want a water dragon gyarados
Mega Garchomp isn't completely terrible if you Baton Pass a Speed Boost or two.
Most pokemon are good with baton pass especially the Megas.
Yeah beedrill is also not bad if you baton pass it some buffs, no shit sherlock
VGC players when Eviolite dusclops clicks trick room: 😨
Your face when one of their mons clicks taunt and you have no mental herb on the trick room setter:🫥
Tragic
HBD Matt! I hope you get a Scatterbug video as a gift 🥳
In my opinion, Dynamax is not bad. Gigantamax could be better, but I do not understand the g-max's hate
I personally don't like z moves and terrastalization. The little dance your character had to do was pretty goofy in my opinion. Terrastalization just looks like the pokemon gets a different coloured chandelier on its head. Also I don't play competitive.
MandJTV did a video about which Gmax pokemon are better and we found out the following
Most of the water types suck because rain is better than their other effects
The Apples suck befause their effects dont help them.
The shotgun snake is good because sandstorm being set up on its stab move is awesome
Meowth is a toss-up (depending on if its a playthroygh or multiplayer)
And Gengar, Hatterene, Alcremie and Garbodor are great because their Gmax effects are way better than the vanilla effects
5:18 Revival Blessing?
New Gen 9 move. It’s a 1 PP move used by two Pokémon (a psychic dung beetle and the pika clone) that’s basically a free revive
Ah, a fellow Jolteon enjoyer 🤝
Did you know: Dusclops is, in fact, a piece of garbage
I loved megas as a kid, still do, and most of you guys' points i do agree with though, megas aren't perfect by far, (we need more good trash-mons) same with gigantimax, (it's way more of a pain to obtain the shrooms needed for that)(thoughwe can all agree that both mechanics do have killer designs) but gigantimax does have a one-up on z-moves that being able to set up hazards while doing damage like G-max Steelsurge, and being able to use said moves more than once while also not taking up an item slot, i though would also put terastalization over Gigantimax/Dynamax because its definitely the most unique out of the four, being able to change your type at will is innovative as flip and makes for some more game-changing strategy for battles id still put megas on top though, with teras close behind, nice video, yall never fail to make me chuckle, you guys make it less believable yall passed English class every video(make lumileon a water/fire type based on and orca and give it fire blast instead of flamethrower) and, uh, have a rotten b-day i guess😂
Enjoyable yet oddly smelly birthday to you Matt! 🥳🎉
Gmax designs are amazing though
dusclops be like
eviolite
It way more balence than mega evo to be honest, dmax and gmax dont need percific pokemon like mega evo, which make people can have more creative in build a team, 3 turn make you think harder when activating it and not stupidly losing it in a single use just like zmove. Overal, in my opinion, dmgm is the second best gimmick after tera
Maybe you need to realize that mega flygon wasn't in the game and z moves were just more powerful attacks ( other than the special ones ,I like those😊)
My two favorite Eevee forms are Umbreon and Jolteon too
happy birthday matt!!
About Dusclops.
Nintendo Gamecube
How does G-Max Chicago Strike work? Is it like, a union in Chicago? Orsomeone who hates Chicago getting the nuclear launch codes cus I understand both
is someone going to tell them
My favorite Eeveelution is Espeon.
I caught that Xenoblade music.
happy birthday élias
Is this a reupload or am I crazy?
It’s not, this is our only video about Gigantamax
@MEPlaysGames I swear I've seen this thumbnail at least
@@SP_1st maybe you saw the community post annoucing it?
@@robertlupa8273 Maybe
When I'm me and I play games!
Happy birthday!