My 2021 Long Range FPV Video Gear (5.8g Analog)
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- Here's a quick look at my 2021 long range fpv video gear. I also cover antenna placement and video loss at range.
NEW 2022 long range build - Parts list:
RAD Li-ion 7" Long Range FPV frame - bit.ly/3MFoCdg
Falcon 7 Long Range FPV frame - bit.ly/3jUiLUI
Flight controller - bit.ly/3xtW1mE
ESC - bit.ly/3uITNOF
Motors - bit.ly/3M4fjDg
VTX - bit.ly/3JHWW5l
Receiver - bit.ly/3xuMGv8
FPV camera (analog) - bit.ly/3JL88OT
GPS - bit.ly/3uJjRci
VTX antenna - bit.ly/3xvXFEg
Receiver antenna - bit.ly/3jG7o2L
7" props - bit.ly/3rvCz5f
Check out my frame design page @ CNCDrones: bit.ly/3vvRrD7
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Video chapters:
0:00 - AOS Falcon 7 release
0:08- Intro - video loss DVR clip
0:25 - Orqa goggles and helical antennas
2:00 - VTX & TrueRC antenna
2:43 - Antenna length and placement
3:55 - Video degradation and signal loss
5:00 - DVR clips of several video issue's
5:50 - Learn to anticipate video loss
6:40 - Low rates are better for "flying blind"
7:12 - Thanks for watching & video suggestions
Comments? Questions? Leave them in the comment section below.
I will reply to every comment, on every video of mine.
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Airblade UAV: bit.ly/356ZCYL
TrueRC: bit.ly/382709O
Banggood: www.banggood.com/custlink/3Dm...
Batteries:
- GNB 4200mah 6s Lipo: bit.ly/3yOqfOR
- DIY 6s Li-ion packs made from 18650 or 21700 cells
Tx - TBS crossfire nano Tx V2 at 500mw: bit.ly/2Sx05Ad
Rx - TBS crossfire nano diversity: bit.ly/3rSWny0
Rx Antennas -
- Back/Vertical - True RC Bardpole: bit.ly/38eIhzm
- Front/ horizontal - TBS extra extended immortal T: bit.ly/2MvtyaF
Goggles - Orqa FPV.One W/ Rapidfire diversity module (Amazing Goggles!)
Goggle antennas:
- 2 x 7turn helical thingyverse:www.thingiverse.com/thing:367500
HD Camera - GoPro Hero 8 Black
Camera Butter ND filter: bit.ly/3rXd0IM
Transmitter - FrSky Xlite: bit.ly/2RRIjri
Post process:
-Adobe Premiere Pro for editing, color correction etc...
-RealSteady Go for stabilization
-Recorded and exported at 4k 30 fps
Music all from youtube audio library.
Thanks, Conrad! This will be a fall/winter build for me. Looking forward to it.
You're welcome! BTW, I'll do a video about the frame assembly after I get the release video posted next weekend.
Thanks so much for giving us a peek at your gear. Love your setup and videos!
Thanks!
So much valuable information in the video AND in the comments. Thanks for spending your time answering all the questions.
Your welcome. Ya it's the easiest way for me to connect with people, I don't really have time for facebook and chat rooms as well, at least for now. Several of my more knowledgeable viewers often have quite helpful responses for people as well. 🙂
Awesome setup. Love the frame too
Thanks 👍
that quad is loved.
oh, thanks!
I've seen many of yours videos but this time I've subscribed, more tech videos are greatly appreciated for those like me who're getting into the hobby (coming from free-style). Thank you! :)
Thank you, I'll try and do tech videos more regularly.
Great video! You have amazing long range footage dude! Keep up the great work! 🔥🔥🔥
Thanks a ton!
Enjoyed that. Looking forward to some more flights from you
Awesome, thank you!
Great info, just what i was looking for. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Congrats on the frame! Can't wait!
Thank you!
Yeah, can't wait for that frame. Got a six inch now and wanted to build up a nice seven inch 😁. Love the videos man and all the long range info!
Thank you very much!
Can't wait to see that frame. Really like the arm braces
Thanks!
I'm liking what little I can see of this frame! I was going to swap compoments from my Super G Plus to an FR7, but now I need to wait to check out this Falcon 7!!
I hope you like what you see when the release video comes out!
Thanks FR love your long range videos! Keep up the great work 😃
Thanks, will do!
Check out this rad pick of Goggles! They're reppin' from my stomping grounds in Osijek, Croatia. Super cool that you're rocking them!
I'm stuck on Integra for now since I'm not analog-savvy, but who knows, I might make the switch someday. Big shoutout, bro! Pumped for your upcoming long-range adventures!
Wishing you and your fam the happiest of holidays!
Awesome setup, Thanks for sharing your video rig stuff. Lovin the videos man great stuff.
Thanks for watching!
This was helpful! Thank you for sharing!
Glad it was helpful!
NICE! love your content!
Glad to hear it!
Thanks, Conrad! for sharing
you're welcome.
thx for the tips. you're the long range king!
Happy to help!
Thanks for ur advise helped me troubleshoot my long range questions👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Happy to help
Geology and Volcanics for the win!
The staged, or replayed and explained, video loss was awesome and spot on; just keep flying the video will return.
Peace Love and Respect! Thanks for sharing.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Awesome tips, dude! Thanks a lot! 😃
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks! You too my friend! 👋😉
Thank you, I have been learning a lot about long distance fpv from watching your videos. I'm trying to build my first Lr quad a flywoo Explorer LR 4 v2 and would really appreciate if you can make some more videos about the flywoo Explorer for long distance flying please
golden tips there dude! 👍
Happy to help!
Interesting video mate. Go on!
Thanks, will do!
Awesome... thank you for sharing your long range experience. Keep it up.
Thanks, will do!
That frame looks so sweet!! You got balls of steel going behind the mountain! That was terrifying! Any idea what your radio link was at? Curious if you had failsafe set to GPS rescue. I remember you had a bad experience with rescue mode.
Thanks for the comment. Ya failsafe is always set to rescue, but I prefer to rely on throttle and auto level when possible. Not sure about radio link. When the video goes rough I can't read the OSD. I guess now that I have a sdcard blackbox I can look that kind of thing up in the logs. In review of my goggle OSD's, after video loss, I usually see RSSI or link quality going back up very quickly as soon as I can read it. When video goes out, RSSI and link quality often haven't dropped at all yet.
Looks great! Hope I can get my hands on it
Thanks. It turned out to be more work than I had anticipated! I believe international shipping will be available so anyone who wants one should be able to place an order.
7 Inch Frames
#1 AOS Falcon 7
#2 Chimera 7
#3 Project 399 Super G
Those are my Top 3 (only) 3 frames for 7inch in existence that I would actually use! Amazing design FalconRad!
Wow, Thanks very much!
Great tips!
Thank you.
Go on my friend your videos are great
Thanks 👍
Thanks for the information. I have the flywoo explorer as well as the hexplorer. The antenna on the explorer broke inside. I never crashed before but this caused it to land in a tree. Thankfully I got it back. So I'm getting the one you are using. Look forward to trying it.
Thanks for your interest! I hope you like it!
Hi FalconRad long time my friend. Hope you been well. This is a great video brother. Your a heck of a pilot and know your stuff. left a like as usual and please stay safe. Nice to see you
Hey buddy, nice to hear from you! Keep well my friend.
best youtube background ever
So excellent!!!!!
Thanks!
Awsome Information
Glad it was helpful!
Love the video! Can’t wait until the new frame releases!
Are your quads running Betaflight or iNav? Do you think Betaflight RTH is enough to save your gear in an emergency?
Thanks. I only use a basic gps sensor, and betaflight. It's probably not as reliable as depending on Inav to fly your quad home but I like how simple it all is. Since losing a quad due to gps rescue malfuction once 2 years ago, I've switched to mostly using auto level and lots of throttle if I loss video by getting behind something. Depends on how you want to fly as well. If you are skimming the ground and video goes out you may stand a better chance of flying blind for a moment rather than hitting gps rescue and having it abruptly change the quads direction before going to mid throttle no matter what lies ahead.
Inav rth works really well, its so precise that the quad it return within few meters from the take off place, that said for the type of flight near cliff and mountain it might still dangerous to relying on the RTH, if fly on land i would totally trust it, in fact i saw videos of guys tick the RTH 40 km aways with their wings
Great video, thanks :)
You're welcome!
Thanks, very interesting. 👍
You're welcome 👍
Right on dude. I just started replicating your build but using caddx vista. Glad you covered the antennas, been struggling with that, its actually my very first build :)
Thats great! It's maybe a bit advanced for a first build though. Make sure to get lots of stick time in the simulator before getting a 7" in the air. Practicing quad racing in the sim will really help your reflexes and stick control when you need to make a sudden correction or a save after a mistake. A 7" quad is still tough especially with thick arms but fasteners and standoffs have their limits and the heavy batteries on a 7" long range quad will become a 1lb battering ram in an impact. That all said, just take it easy and figure out ahead of your flight what is reasonable for your level of experience and to maintain safety for all. Try and save the crashing for the sim or 5" freestyle build. Not sure what amount of stick time you have but go with lower rates than you think you should unless quite confident. Mine are all the way down to like 360d/sec for smooth shots. Even lower is fine as well. That way if I use a jerky stick input to avoid a tree branch I don't end up rolling too far to the side and having to make a second correction. Good luck with your build!
@@FalconRadFPV for sure. I have been flying a while but buying and crashing quads I started on 3 inchers and worked my way up to 4, 5 and now 7. This just happens to be the first one I have built, but I do a lot of electronics ebike stuff so it translated well accept the tiny solder joints which it took me a little while to get smooth. I will use low rates. Question - which flies better on long range 4s or 6s and why is that? Any antenna mounting tips for the immortal T and bardpole - do you take polarization into account orientating them? ty love the channel, cant wait to see your frame.
@falconrad If I can suggest you , I got excellent results by replacing both the video wires . I used an Rg136 coaxial cable from my rush tank and the camera to the FC. No interference , excellent video feed !
Interesting idea. That would definitely help reduce any RF interference to the wires.
One of the Kings of Long Range! Thanks for the overview. Interested to know your thoughts on what's more important: VRX antenna or VRX module? Asking because I'm reluctant to upgrade my Eachine Pro58 since I'm already running a VAS Crosshair Extreme and an LR TBS Triumph Pro. I'm happy with the range as is, but wondering if an RX upgrade will make any difference.
Thanks! Great question....I personally don't like the over hype of all the latest and greatest, and always buying new stuff. My 3 or 4 year old EV800D are what my spotter uses. With one of my homemade 7 turn helical antennas (I have a video about making it) They lose video a 1 or 2 seconds before me and get it back 1 or 2 seconds after me. This is when I'm flying behind trees or rock when kms out. They have a flyable picture at very far distances. So my rapidfire module does work better but is by no means necessary. The rapidfire is pretty expensive as well. If you are happy with the signal quality you are getting then save your money. If you want a bit more range or to be able to get decent video behind trees at range then try making a 7 turn helical antenna! Maybe use it along with your crosshair extreme. (you need to have a 3d printer or a buddy with one. see my video for more info)
@@FalconRadFPV Thanks! I have watched your video on making the 7-turn helical, so maybe that will be my next project. I am a bit intimidated by the precision required/ tolerances etc. Thanks!
Gracias Falcon, muy buen video.
Thank you very much!
Just waiting to get that frame in my hands. Great video. BTW do you hava an external microphone in your vtx or the vtx has its own micro?
Thank you. To be honest I've been too lazy to get audio going. I've always flown without it. I tried a few times and there was always something not working with it. I should add it to my to do list.
Your fpv camera reception is outstanding! I'll be looking for a 3D print to attach helical antennae to my HDO2.
I have a video about making the helical antennas. There is a link for the prints in the description for that video.
I like your explanation I subscribe now
Perfect place for video shoot :)
Thank you. Ya sitting having a coffee that morning from the cameras perspective was peaceful (before the busses started, lol) and relaxing.
THX BRO!!! I❤LONG
Thanks very much!
Good heads up brother
Thanks!
very informative. thanks o/
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for sharing and the tips. Your custom frame looks sweet. What does the quad weigh less battery?
Your welcome. My build is 611g with props and battery straps, no gopro, no battery.
liked before watching
Thanks buddy!
Buen consejo amigo, estoy a punto de construirme un long range con tu configuración, saludos.
Thanks, good luck with your build!
Thanks ! I love this type of sharing, for the antennas you simply used copper wire wrapped around your 3D print? Good luck for the future and thank you again for your passionate sharing! Take care of You, and sorry for yours lost qwad..
Yes basiclly thats it and a bit of soldering. I have a video about how to make the helical antenna.
Your a badass in the hobby bro!! 😎 push the envelope
Thank you, I really appreciate your comment!
I see the way you fly I envy it.. I fly like I got a thousand in the house to replace it but I don't lol
Keep it up ...subscribed
Analog forever!
I might try the DJI setup at some point...the clarity would be nice for flying amongst tree's...maybe someone has an old set of V1's they aren't using anymore, lol..... But I think I'll always be most comfortable doing long distance flights the way I'm used to, good old analog.
Always great content. One question, I am in the beginning stage if getting into long range. All my freestyle stuff uses dji and I love the clarity. Will analog go further than digital ? I know the Chimera 7 have the dji setup on it.
A guy that often comments on my video has mentioned that he has both analog and dji. He prefers the analog for longer range stuff. But what is long range to you? If it's 2 or 3 km then stick with the dji, I think. What does it do when you lose signal? Does it come back right away afterwards? If it takes to long to get a clear signal back that would be a deal breaker for me. Analog video comes back the second you get the interference out of the way.
@@FalconRadFPV sounds like I'm gonna want to go with analog. I have the crossfire long range module in my Radiomaster t16s max. I wanna be able to push it as far as possible, safely.
Now that you are mentioning it, do you have a video about what rates you are using?
And do you still use crossfire for your control link? I am seeing lots of people switch to ExpressLRS.
I'm just about to post a video about my control link (still crossfire)
I plan on doing a video about my rates. Part of my frame idea is that people can fly the exact same setup. I'm going to go through my rates, pid's, filters, gps settings etc... BTW my deg/sec is at about 350 with a soft center stick and 25% expo / receiver tab: auto smothness 25. I'm still playing around with it though. I think I might try less expo and more smoothing.
The new frame is looking really clean and stiff now👏 Are those camera mounts compatible with the old mounting pattern? If so, could you maybe share the stl?
oh and I just seen you're using a big 4200mah lipo now. What range and average amp draw do you get out of those? Not sure if I should get some 6s2p li-ion packs or 4000mah lipos
Hi, all the tpu parts are up on thingiverse under falconrad fpv or aos falcon 7. I've been doing my tuning and field testing with the 4200 and 4000 lipos. My long flights are still with 6s2p li-ion. Just because for me 80% of mountain tops are 5 or 6 km out so I need the range. For stuff like diving the waterfalls (2 to 3 km out) I like to use the lipos for the extra power. I havne't done a "range test" with the lipos. I'm pretty sure I could get 10 or 12 km round trip with one, especially with the 4200, I got 4250 out of mine down to 3.2 volts under load. For over that distance I think the li-ion packs starting seeming like the better choice. I was thinking about testing out 2 x 2600 mah lipos since GNB has got the weights down just under 400g. So two of those would still be lighter than 21700 cell 6s2p and would have far better current performance, but still heavier than 18650 cell 6s2p by 80 or 90 grams.
I forgot to mention, the holes are different. I think the front ones should be spaced out the same so you might be able to use modeling software to just cut off the flat section with the back mounting holes and make a custom addon.
@@FalconRadFPV yeah I'll just remix it to whatever the holes are on mine. I get about 10-12km roundtrip on my GNB 6s 3300mah lipos. They are about 420g I think, which is pretty light. However, they don't really perform that great and sag a lot. Is the new frame about the same weight as the old one or slightly heavier? and btw I'm using freestyle 920deg rates on my 7inch😂I might try lower ones and see how I like it
@@ariafpv Power Hobby has a 6s 4200 120c that comes in at 447g. And if you have room they have a 6s 5000 100c at 576g which has given me 28 minutes of gentle cruising time on my Super G plus (soon to be replaced by Conrads new 7" frame). I haven't had the opportunity to try the 4200 yet (Super G crashed):
I want one. I wish someone can send here in the Philippines.. nice build man!
Thank you very much! BTW my frame is available at CNCDrones.com, I'm pretty sure they will ship to the Philippines, they have international shipping.
Good stuff! Are you using inav or betaflight on the FC?
I've only ever used BF. I like the idea of keeping it simple, as far as electronic its basically a freestyle quad with a gps and extra long antennas.
@@FalconRadFPV Cool. I've had bad luck with rescue mode so I gave iNav a try. I really like it for long range flights like these as it will actually fly your quad back and land it where you took off from.
Hello! I am following your videos with great interest! Do you find it possible to use a 5'' quad for long distances?
It all depends on your interetaion of long distances. I've done 13km flights with 5.5" props and about 7 or 8 km with 5.2" props. I saw a video where I guy got a 50km+ round trip (flying in circles though) with an ultra light 6" quad. If you want to carry a full size gopro a 7" will do better. If you will not be carrying a gopro then you should be able to get pretty far with a 5" and the right battery, prop and motor combination. Only guessing but I would think you could get 5km+ out and round trips of 12km+, further than many dare to go. Losing a quad really sucks!
@@FalconRadFPV There are many beautiful places in Russia, but Russia is a very large and wild country. Distances defy comprehension. In some parks, for example Ergaki, there is no power grid, the nearest town is 200 km away. This is a national park, you cannot go there by car. I would like to assemble the lightest copter possible, with light batteries, because all this will have to be carried on myself...
Thanks for share! at what rates do you feel comfortable with such style of flying?
You're welcome. I've been gradually moving my rates lower and lower. My max rate is under 400dg/sec with a really soft center stick. On the old betaflight rates I'm using 0.45, a super rate in the mid 70's and 25 to 30 % expo. I guess it'll be all different for BF 4.3 though. But it sounds like there are sufficient improvements that it should make the switching to the new firmware really worth it. I have not tried BF 4.3 yet though.
@@FalconRadFPV very smooth ones!)
good tutorial for long range beginners, the two helicals look quite close together do you know how much overlap there is and is it specific to the range you are gonna be flyin? theres also the stevie wonder affect? i don't do it anymore, but i do look increasingly down and left while gawping like a goldfish.......
Thanks, ya I guess it would be optimal to have the antennas as far to the side of the goggles as possible. I go for aiming the same direction with both. The beam width is more than wide enough that you don't require having them pointed in opposing angles unless flying quite close in. At 500m+ out I almost never have an issue pointing the right way, but I do on occasion ask my spotter if my antennas are pointing towards my current quad location to verify. I had been going through frustrating fuzz at about 4km out while trying different antenna setups, usually one helical and one of something else, like an X2 air. As soon as I put the second helical back beside the other one I got about 6km before the fuzz starts. I would try different mounting positions but the double sided tape is so hard to remove and makes a mess, and it works great for any range possible with my li-ion batteries so far.
Does anyone question you about the legalities of what you do? I love FPV and I want to fly long range as well. I think I need to stay sub 250g tho. I love watching your videos and listening to your commentary. You're like Canada's Adam G does FPV 😀 Keep up the great work!
Thanks very much! I don't really get questioned about it. I push the distance rules but only ever in very remote locations where there is almost no chance of hitting a person or animal that my spotter can't see. I always make sure there are no hiking trails on the mountain face that I plan to fly as well.
Great info. I thought at one time you were using more of a 1.2/1.3GHZ system. Would that be a better system than a 5.8ghz system for long range? Pros and cons. I don’t live in an area like what you have, but in Missouri we have a lot of river valleys in deep canyons. The difference is ours are completely covered by dense forest. Makes it really difficult to see detail and contrast. It’s a sea of green.
Thanks, I had 5.8 gear from flying freestyle so I just went with that. It seems to work well enough so I haven't changed.
That sounds like some cool scenery, could probably get some great shots flying along the rivers.
Do you think it would be worth it or even work to use two VTXs on the quad to help avoid the frame getting in the way? Even a stubby antenna up front might have better video than the one in the back blocked by the frame
I have seen a vtx with 2 antennas, I think an attempt at something like what you are mentioning. But two separate vtx's "I think" would need to be linked somehow to ensure that their transmitted signals were properly timed to arrive at the receiver antenna simultaneously to avoid sync issues between camera and receiver or something like that. Sorry, I don't have a real answer for you. That would be a great question for Joshua Bardwell though! I believe he has an engineering degree related to the field of RF.
How many quads have you lost? Great videos by the way. Thank you.
Thanks for the comment. I've lost two drones, so far...probably due to lose another one soon, it's been a while 😉
@@FalconRadFPV Same here. A 5 and a 7 inch. It sucks. But looking now at the mark 4 7inch from geprc.
Thanks for this video.
Do you use telemetry on long range ?
I got telemetry lost today at 1km with a Tango II, I didn't really understand why.
Does telemetry lost is a sign of end of range in long range ? (Nano RX probably send telemetry at 25mW)
I have the telemetry set to on in the configuration tab of BF configurator. Now that I think about it, I used to get telemetry lost messages for my transmitter when I was getting down to a low overall link quality when using the older openTX and crossfire firmware. I'm not sure if maybe upgrading it about 6 months ago had something to do with it (or maybe a different setting on the transmitter?) but this whole summer I haven't heard a telemetry lost warning. Could just be a coincidence. No matter what though, you shouldn't get one at 1km I don't think. I would get them when several kms out. Although distance is irrelevant without line of sight to the quad. If you are 1km away on flat ground then your quad will likely get poor rssi if it's too close to the ground. I'm not actually sure if it's a sign of being near the end of range. Since I hardy ever got it and it only lasted for a few seconds each time, to be safe I took it to mean that I shouldn't push it much further, but often I think it was a brief time of poor antenna alignment possibly. (when I used two horizontal immortal t's instead of an just one and a vertical bardpole.)
@@FalconRadFPV thanks for you reply
You rule.
Thanks! 👍
Did you do any insulation or grounding to the GPS wire bundle? 12 sats could be fine but it's really risky.
it's the GPS and firmware, with a new M9 or M10 gps and BF 4.3 or 4.4 sat count is more like 25. I don't insulate the GPS wires at all, I've tried it and found that just getting a better quality GPS works better than even the best installation of a cheaper one.
Can you make video about diy 6s liion batteries, that is only thing i have problem. Also low battery signals can you explain little more about that ?
You battery settings in betaflight might need to be set correctly for your battery type. Also you may be pulling too many amps from your battery. That may be the case if hot instead of just warm when you land. I'll keep a battery talk video in mid...
@@FalconRadFPV found one your old video i like it, but keep looking foward for new one. Please keep in mind low voltage limit on li ion batteries and discarge rating, I can see on your video you go really low. Also how does cold affect full throttle etc.
Could you make a video describing the benefits of a 7 inch over a 5 inch quad for long range?
That's a good idea. I'll give it some thought. I've got a few videos lined up for now, but weather as it's been I haven't done much flying lately so your idea might make a good bench talk video.
@@FalconRadFPV I have never really seen such a video, I’ve been following for a few weeks. I just realized that my 5 inch has an 800mhw vtx on it and I never realized I could go that far with it, needless to say it’s fully recharged my batteries to try some longer flights. And I have a rapid fire too, but only fatshark v2 HD’s (the ones with the larger field of view) and only need to upgrade my antennas for some long range flights. Thank you for making these videos, I appreciate it so much! If you ever come to northern Kentucky I’ll show you some awesome spots.
In an earlier video you mention that using an X2-Air is better than using a second helical antenna. Interesting to see you're using two helical antennas here. I'm considering which antennas to get, an MX2-Air vs building my own helical. MX2-Air is pricey but I'm not setup yet to build helical antennas.
Good question! I think I damaged my X2-air. It used to work great, but not anymore. BTW the difference between MX2 and X2. I believe the MX2 is for freestyle and and the X2 is more of a long range antenna. The beam width of the X2 is way more than needed for long range. The beam width of the MX2 is even wider which lowers the overall gain of the antenna. The X2 is 13 dbi and the MX2 is 9.5 that is a significant difference as far as range and penetration go. If you want to go really far in one direction the X2-air is the one to get. If you want to go 3 km or less but have the freedom to roam a large area without worry of adjusting your head to reposition the antennas then the MX2-air is a good choice.
@@FalconRadFPV Thanks for your reply. Yes, after studying the specs I've gone ahead and ordered the X2. I've been out to 4 km once on my existing setup but the video was very scratchy and broken. I'd like to be able to comfortably get out over 5 km, like you do. Once again, thanks for your reply. 🙂
Hi, when you replaced the vtx antenna on your flywoo explorer, is that rhcp or lhcp? Thanks.
I'm pretty sure it was right hand polerized.
Hello,
I‘m new to Fpv and i wanna get startet. I researched a lot and I think I understand everything pretty good, but just to make sure: I can attach youre self-made antennas to fat shark goggles, also on a diversity module or does it make no difference if I buy a normal receiver and attach one antenna to it or a diversity receiver and attach two antennas to it. Im asking because I saw that when you use two antennas on youre goggles you use two different. I think it was one linear antenna and one long range. And you use the same antenna two times.
Kind regards
Christian
Edit: Mostly when I ask for the time, a clock is right behind me. After writing this text I saw that you can also combine two Omni or two Patch antennas. So if my thoughts are correct until here, this leads me to another question, are these selfmade antennas omni or patch ?
And the reason why I am writing this not under the video with the antennas, I just fear that no one reads my comment under a video which is a few months old. :)
I use a omni and a patch (or helical) for short range and two of the same helical antennas together for long range. A diversity receiver will switch from one antenna to the other picking the one with the best signal. It's not required but does improve video performance in many situations.
Thank you very much for sharing, as much as l love DJI digital, I'm working on setting analogue back up for long range. Some awesome advice in this video, just a shame you have to film in such mundane areas 🤣👍
You're welcome! I might try to make the outdoors my office for the rest of the summer. The audio sucks (maybe I can work on that) but it's relaxing and my apartment doesn't have much space. 😉
Can i get your thoughts on ESLR and if you plan on using it.
At the moment I don't plan on using it. I already have a bunch of crossfire gear and it all works well, no need to move on to something else.
Have you ever tried a dipole with extended length for long range? I get my best video range with dipole
I avoid dipoles because of the null area from the tip of it. Diving down a mountain the tip of the antenna will be pointed towards yourself.
Could you tell me what band you are using? I heard the singularity is best at R6 but some people say R1 is still better?
I use B4 5790
In what condition are you using lipo and liion? What's the flight time for both just cruising?
I get about 3km per 1000mah flying up a mountain or 4km per 1000mah doing flight time tests at the field. That's with a 4000mah lipo or 6s2p li-ion 18650 packs. When I get up to 6s2p 21700 li-ion packs the weight is so much that the returns are much lower. its 8000mah but I only get about 2.5km / 2.8km per 1000mah. That's all with a full size gopro, the frame is designed to always carry a full size gopro. I use the lipo for shorter range stuff that works better with more amps available, like diving the waterfalls. It's mid range and nice to have all the amps I need for pulling out of dives. The 6s2p li-ion packs work fine as well I just pull up a hair sooner to be safe. I use the li-ions for all my longer flights.
Thanks a lot for the insights👌🤘 Quick question about the true rc singularity on flywoo.. I saw that the true rc has just 1,9 db gain and the flywoo atomic has 3 db gain? Shouldn‘t the atomic outperform the true rc due to the gain?🤔
Think of it like this a patch has a gain of 10dbi but you don't want one on a quad because it's directional. An omni like the atomic or singularity tries to do the opposite, have no direction. The high quality singularity makes an almost perfect circle for its reception area.
To have a higher gain you have to sacrifice a portion of that perfect circle. The atomic probably has weak spots on the top and bottom of it's radiation pattern. Fine if you cruse around between level and 45 degrees tilt like a lot of people do with the explorer. But if you do dives or complex maneuvering at long range you want an antenna with a perfect circle and no weak spots.
@@FalconRadFPV awesome man🤩 thanks so much for the detailed explanation🙏 now I will get a singularity antenna, because i am doing a lot of long range mountain diving and every tiny piece which gives me better signal is a plus😁 thanks so much🙏🤘
Why not mount antenna's on the front for video instead. This way when you loose signal turning around gives a boost. Also would give it better LOS in a dive since we are generally below the aircraft.
With the quad pitched forward for regular flight, having a long antenna in the rear is the optimal position. It's a standard for the long range community. As for in a dive I'm never underneath, always back a ways for much better line of sight. When pitched forward a lot for a dive an antenna in the rear is perfectly positioned to transmit every direction except towards the cliff, as long as you have a really good VTX antenna with no dead spot on top.
You're using a Crossfire Diversity Nano receiver, aren't you? In the telemetry, do 1rss and 2rss show up exactly the same all the time? I recently upgraded my 7" quad to a bardpole+immortalT setup just like yours. But the 1rss and 2rss telemetry sensors always report exactly the same number. Is this normal? I'm running crossfire firmware 4.11
I'm not sure. I only pay attention to my OSD telemetry of RSSI, RSSI dbm and Link quality. Sorry I don't have an answer for you.
@@FalconRadFPV that's OK. I'll keep looking--I can't find anything online mentioning whether anybody else gets different numbers. If you ever log your flights and happen to peek at those logs, maybe you'll see whether your 1rss and 2rss are the same like mine.
good job 🤩🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you very much
I know I'm late to this video but I keep missing what Antenna you put on your flywhoo. I'm looking at getting a better antenna on there. If anyone can help me that would be greatly appreciated
I used a super light ufl version of the TrueRC Singularity and used heat shrink to stand it up a bit.
You posted the link to print the body for the antenna but where do I get the coil to put ON it?
I bought circut-test 16awg bare copper wire for it. I think a piece of home wire (I think it's 14awg or 16awg) would do as well. The home wire is porbably available at most big hardware stores. The circut-test brand stuff will be at electronics shops, like where you would buy soldering irons, heat shrink etc....They would have the copper clad board for the reflector as well.
Haha Mr Steele rates 😂 Good one!
When I first got into FPV and flying freestyle only, I was in awe of how fast quads flipped and rolled. I insisted on using the same rates as Steele did. I think it was 1100 or 1200 dec/sec. My cornering was crap and gaps were so hard. I think I kept trying those rates for about two years before finally giving in and going to about 900 or 1000d/sec so that I could actually get though a practice gate more than once before crashing! Now I'm all the way down at Vanover rates, or was it Xjet rates?... whatever, they're probably the same anyways....😮
I’ve switched to digital ( dji) from analog, I don’t know yet how much time video signal will keep to recover after flying behind a rock like that ! I don’t wanna know but I need to know sooner or later… waiting for your 7 inch frame ! Please let it coming to EU too and I hope it’s air unit compatible !
It will have international shipping I believe. The rear standoffs have been spaced to accommodate a full size air unit. The FPV cam mount fits a 19x19 camera tightly, but there is room for a slightly wider camera. A 20x20mm dji cam should fit with a little customization of the FPV cam mount. The opening for the camera in the carbon is 21mm wide.
It will require a 200mm air unit cable.
laughed at the Mr Steele rates comment 🤣
Question: Why analog over digital for long range?
I think analog is better at regaining video after signal loss. Also I would need to buy all new gear and the DJI stuff isn't cheap.
Perhaps it is possible to make the sound of the recordings during the flight less loud?
Sure is, I'm still learning audio stuff....
hallo, Thanks for sharing, do these DIY 5.8 receiver antenas work?
Ya they work great, I get over 8km range wit them easy.
@@FalconRadFPV 8km but with more antennas?
Keren pak semoga bisa di ajarkan bagaimana membangun FPV yang biasa anda gunakan
I will do a build video in a month or so. Now that I have designed a frame to build with.
@@FalconRadFPV woah awesome , im ready to waiting, keep update sir 🤘🏻🤙🏻
Does it matter which port the crossfire antennas plug in the reciver?
No, not that I'm aware of.
@@FalconRadFPV thanks
Do you use diversity or mix mode? Some people say that diversity is better for LR
I use mode 1 I believe, the mix mode.
How you connect your TrueRC on the Flywoo explore?
Airblade has a special ultra light weight ufl connection version of the TrueRC singularity. I used some heat shrink around the cable to get it to stand up straight.
♥♥♥ words fail for you honesty ♥♥♥ thanks M8 ¶ :-)
Thanks, your comment is much appreciated!
what would the max range on this setup be with clear los
Not sure about max range but should do 10km+ if everything is in good shape, a single crash could change that though if you damage an antenna or sma extension.
Why do you not fly digital? I have two long range FPVs on the way.
I bought my orqa goggles just before the dji system was released. Also when dji video cuts out it, I hear it takes too long to come back on. Analog comes back on the instant you get signal back.