Nothing like getting your ass kicked at your game. I’m not very good at either snooker or 9ball but it’s clear who is the more well rounded players. It would be a blood bath on a snooker table.
As an above average pool player ( Fargo Rate 620) and american supporter, there were soooo many times that I tried to explain why snooker is a harder game and why snooker players can do great in pool even when it is not their game and their advantage, but there were always stupid people here and there who never agree with it. This match is a perfect example of how well a snooker player can perform in pool. Snooker player like Tony Drago even won World Pool Championship. And all snooker players like Ronnie, Davis, Alex Higgins, White... used to play in Mosconi or other pool tournaments and they got really far also. Now you guys tell me any pool player ever won a snooker world championship. Earl, Efren, Pagulayan, Filler, Shane....???? The answer is NONE of them. Surely they are some of the greatest in pool but to compete in snooker, they can’t be compared to a snooker god like Ronnie or Hendry. A snooker player can do well or even win a pool tournament even when they never practice playing pool. But a pool player can’t win a snooker tournament even when they try hard. That shows how advanced snooker game is.
The difference is that just because the basics are the same doesn't mean the game is the same... Potting balls isn't the only thing needed in pool, 9 ball it gets easier... But 8 ball on 7 foot tables, there's a reason u don't see huge packs ran like u have in 9 ball.. More clusters more strategy more traffic... Snooker the balls go to the same area each time... It's obvious it's harder to do certain things on snooker tables, but don't act like it's not hard to do things on pool tables also
destiny lags I never said pool is an easier game. There are even some aspects if pool games which is harder than snooker. Pool needs more creativity than snooker in shot making because of the frequency people can make 2-3 rail bank shot and carom shot because the pockets are fairly more forgiving than snooker. Because of that reason, you have to play a bit more attacking against same level or stronger player in order to win important layouts and matchs. Also, table speed and rail hardness are big factor in how you can cheat the pockets by hitting the edge of pockets, this is what pro players in pool do pay attention before they enter the match. I play both pool and snooker, but mostly pool so I understand the mind set of both. Snooker is still more advanced and it trains you to be a better all around player, attacking, defensive and strategy. That’s why snooker and English 8 players do so well in pool. Darren Appleton, Chris Melling, Karl Boyes and Jayson Shaw all come from Eng 8 ball background. And Ronnie, Davis, Drago, Higgins and White are from snooker background and they did well in pool also.
@@TRANC3ak47 100%. Ive played pool since i was 6 years old and play snooker everyweek. I could take a few frames off the very best pool players here or there but i could play ronnie o'sullivan or steve davis 1 million times and i would never come even remotely close to beating them. When you come off a snooker table with tight unforgiving pockets and play on a small table with buckets for pockets you can still pot even if you butcher the shot or hit the cushion first. Even the greatest pool players of all time like efren reyes would stand little chance against top club players nevermind professionals
I wish we'd see more of these kinds of tournaments. I miss watching snooker players come and beat pool players at their own game lol the crossover is so interesting and I love both sports. Snooker is just so hard to watch real time compared to pool but snooker players definitely have the skill to beat pool players while the reverse isn't true in accordance to their respective games
@@jtaco4101 Yeah there's a lot that comes with familiarity with the cloth, balls, pockets, cushions etc. that can give a pool player an advantage on their home turf. You can see that the snooker players struggle with things like banks and snooker escapes because of the way the cushions bounce differently on these tables, and even the slidey cloth throws them off sometimes, as it used to with me (I was a UK pool player and pretty bad snooker player who has moved over to 9 ball). Not to mention the pressure the Americans are under here being pool champions playing against snooker players who don't even really care about the result and just see it as a bit of fun - the Americans have a LOT more to lose.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed: the adverts are occasionally interrupted by a game of Pool, and it’s quite interesting. I would even watch that as the main feature, and only have *some* ads.
This is the year Ronnie O'Sullivan made the world record in snooker for running a perfect game 147 points in during competition in 5 minutes and 8 seconds.
Why do pool guys think that snooker players would struggle with positional play? Snooker players are far more precise with both potting and positional play. The only thing that stops snooker players dominating 9-ball pool is the break
Break is the main thing, because in modern pool is the most important shot. I would add jump shots too, which are often decisive. But there are other aspects of the game. For example Steve Davis and Jim Wych always say that in pool you have to use the spin (or english) a lot more than in snooker, so snooker players are not very used to it. Another thing that Ronnie O'Sullivan pointed out, is that in pool there are shots that in snooker you don't even consider, because they are impossible, but for pool players are pretty normal shots. So they don't often foresee these shots. Obviously snooker pro players could become very good pool players, but they would have to spend several years of playing and practicing to be top players and it's not worth it because of the little money involved. Last thing: modern pool is totally different from these images, the game has changed dramatically in last 20 years. Pockets are now smaller and break rules have changed. Nowadays snooker players could never improvise a Mosconi Cup against the top guys of 9-ball. (sorry for bad English, non my first language)
@@AngrierGorilla yes pool has some impossible shots. But the fundamentally, snooker is so superior. Pool has bigger balls, broader cues, shorter tables and considerably bigger pockets. Whereas snooker is completely opposite. The level of precision and accuracy needed in snooker is very high. Pool has more chance of error and recovery is very likely But in snooker one mistake and the entire set down the shitter.
@@infamousroy4421 what you say is all right, but all these things are the same for your opponent. So I don't get why it would be easier winning a match or a World Championship...
The first game Ronnie wins is a good demonstration of his positional play. I watched the ‘96 MC yesterday, and you can see that Ronnie was struggling to get used to the weight of the pool balls. Certainly the reason he’s playing in ‘97 is because they started giving out more prize money, and he practiced a bit more. If a snooker guy gave it up for pool, and adopted the cue (which is probably important for getting more English on the larger pool balls), he would dominate. If an average player can pick up a decent break with a couple hours on a practice table, certainly a world class snooker player could develop a break with a bit of practice.
I'm about 6 minutes in and the table looks like it isn't set-up correctly. Balls are curving unexpectedly. Perhaps my eyes are playing a trick on me? Cheers 🍺
Standards for the table quality back then were probably lower, I imagine there were occasionally rolls or weird bounces, just part of the game. You even see it in some tournaments these days where the tables have been set up wrong or the infamous predator tables that just seem to be shit
Position in pool is much different as the table is smaller and the cloth feels completely different. For example you play a lot more with cushions in pool than you would in Snooker
Also the pockets are very different, most shots in pool would never work in snooker and you could never cut a ball into the middle pocket in pool like you could in snooker. Pool players can cheat the pocket much more than snooker players, so they can over or undercut and still make it and get different positional results. Snooker players have to be much more accurate since the pockets are much smaller and they can't cheat it nearly as much. Also because the corners of the pockets are rounded so if you hit the corner you will very likely miss the shot as where in pool you can hit the corner and still make the ball because pool table pockets have pointy corners.
It's cope. Maybe they'll be less creative with positional shots and spin but that doesn't mean they can't do it their own way and win, just like we've seen.
The biggest difference between pool and snooker is the breakbuilding. In snooker it is much more difficult because you need to pot much more balls. Technically both sports are very difficult, but also here is snooker the more difficult one. Its obvious, the balls are smaller. The smaller the balls are, you need much more precision to hit them. Same with the pockets. In snooker pockets are tighter, so there is more need of perfect accuaricy. In both sport you need brilliance. But i would say, snooker is king of the sport. You can compare it to F1. Every F1 driver can drive also other series. But other drivers in other series have massive problems to get to F1 and aren't able to control an F1 car.
I agree with you but the F1 example isn’t right. F1 drivers are used to much faster cars but will cause them to push further, losing control of the car. Each sport requires time to master, it’s just the difference between how long it takes to find success.
Smaller balls require more precision? Not really mate, it's just the distances in snooker that do that. Smaller balls aren't any harder to hit, trust me, I've played all games extensively.
But you use a smaller tip on smaller balls, so that is cancelled out. I find it much easier to apply spin in snooker and especially UK pool compared to those big fat american balls. I don't know what games you're playing. American pool has bigger pockets and slidier cloth that makes it much easier to pot balls, it has nothing to do with the balls being bigger. UK pool is arguably the easiest of the three and it has the smallest balls as well.@blueboy189
Ronnie would definitely give Efren a run for his money if he only played pool, if there was as much money in pool as there was in snooker we'd see a lot more laser straight shooters like these snooker players on tour. So many people really can't comprehend how amazingly talented these snooker players are.
These stupid pool player commentators think there is no "position" in snooker and hence pool is somehow harder than snooker. Pool is a child's game as compared to snooker.
Yeah... I would have to agree. Saying there is no position in snooker is really oversimplifying the game to the point of just being an ignorant statement. Snooker takes a higher level of precision play and a completely different mindset of billiards than just bang em in 9ball. Ronnie makes those pockets look like they're enormous, no problem pocketing balls and getting good position.
I'm not a pool or snooker player at all and so from a completely uneducated view, my guess would be that Snooker would have just as much if not more position play than Pool. Bigger table, more balls to pocket. Maybe once you get all the reds gone, it's more academic because the other balls are always in the same spot but still, so many more balls to worry about in Snooker so positioning would have to at least be just as important if not more so
@@BigFellaThx A Snooker table is about 12 feet long and 6 feet wide: positional play is everything. You can be amazing at potting balls and still get nowhere in Snooker if you can’t control the cue ball - it needs to be within a few inches of where you want it every single shot. So if someone says they’re surprised at the good positional play, they might as well say they’re surprised that Snooker players are hitting the white ball with the thin end of the cue.
@T 2017 True, snooker guys are better because of their high percentage shots. But Reyes is a precision kicker and cue controller. That edges him above everybody when it comes to pool. But yah the rest of the pool players are like dinner for top snookers.
@@semi5alphayou can search for the match between Reyes and Jimmy White. Though Reyes won that match but there were barely differences between two players. You can say that any top tier players at snooker can easily become goat on this pool table
@@leroyjenks2014 snooker cues are often times longer. But the biggest difference is that they're more thin at the end, their tip is a lot smaller. Which also means they're a bit more fragile, you can't hit balls as hard with them without risking damaging your cue. But you can aim more accurately generally. This is necessary in snooker as the tables are bigger and the holes smaller
Can you watch this match with sullivan. And can you tell me how he missed the easiest shots in the world with those big "BUCKETS"? I made a comment with time stamps so its not gonna be hard for you. 🤣🤣🤣
Americans are always like a simple & easy sports ie. Race car in a rounded circuit, or rugby with a less rules (American Football), Billiards with smaller frame & wider pockets, etc.
What do you call the best snooker player in the world missing the easiest shot on a bucket like pocket on a 9 ball match? Can we say that man is dumb or what? How can you miss an easy shot if the pcokets are huge right?
im not blown away by the standard to be honest, im not just basing my opinion on this match - ive watched a lot of these great mosconi cup videos from the nineties, thanks for the uploads. i know the pressure is on, but ive seen better play by some lads in bars, and im not that far from this level of pool. has the level gone way up since the 90s or something?
Standards are definitely higher, but you can't compare a guy having a statistically amazing night in a pub with zero pressure to such a big event. Everyone who's half decent at pool has had nights where they just don't miss a pot, it doesn't mean they could beat any of these players in a match.
@@ryanbonner25 its alright i get it, the standard is definitely lower than modern pros and these guys look a lot more beatable than the likes of Filler or Shaw. standards always improve over time
As a half decent pool layer i can say that snooker is leagues ahead in terms of difficulty and skill required. Been looking online to find a head to head of a pool player playing a snooker playing at snooker. Cant find even one game.
Pierce and Davenport are like Ortmann, angry men. I was embarrassed by Pierce's angry fist at the other side. There's no call for that. It's a game more against oneself than "the enemy". And Davenport seemed to want to invest his shots with a venting of anger, jabbing at the cue ball with an "in yer face" coup de gras, but then missed a relatively easy shot at pocket speed, instead set it up for Souquet. Finesse is the name of the game. Ive never seen Efren play angrily. He directs frustration back at himself. Imagine pairing Pierce and Davenport, maybe their combined energies could cancel each other's rashness in some way. But Varner, quite the opposite nature from either of those two with a more even tempered player might have gained that needed point. So Varner's captaincy showed a poor matching I believe.
The ignorance in the Americans is embarrassing!! anyone can play pool that's why they put them in pubs! Snooker players are cueists, pool players are just pool players
I love how earl strickland says he thinks steve davis is still best snooker player in his eyes and dont care what anyone says etc Respect for saying that whether thats true or not steve certainly right up there with hendry and o sullivan
When I visit the UK no one wants to play snooker with me. They all want to play American pool. The one and only reason they give... "snooker is too bloody hard! I wanna play something fun that I can actually do and win every now and then" To all the commentators and people that think pool holds a candle to snooker. Not even 1 pocket or 14:1. Carom comes close.
I laughed so hard when that noob commentator said pool is a scientific game..😅😅 Kid go and try snooker once... You would get to know what the word HARD means..
I don't mean to belittle or disrespect Pool players because having wasted so much of my childhood playing various billiard games (And never gained any credibility outside of my immediate friends..., much like my guitar skills) I am keenly aware of the different strategies and skills that separate the mediocre player from the genius in the different disciplines. The simple reality is that the difference between Snooker and pool is there will never be serious competition between an American and European team on a Snooker table. With the exception of Cliff Thorburn (a Canadian), I can't think of a single person from the New world that can compete on a Snooker table with the best. I would love to be proven wrong, for the love of sport I would love to see an accomplished pool player go to Europe and show the snooker players how to play their own game. But up until now, it's always been up to the Europeans to adapt to the American game to gain any kind of comparison. And to be honest, given the success of the Europeans in the American arena (Alison Fisher as a prime example) and zero Americans in the European arena that are worthy of mention. I kinda feel like these tournaments are a distraction from their grown-up job.
It's funny that you don't see these American kiddie pool players over in Great Britain playing snooker, they would need binoculars to play on a large snooker table with pockets that aren't like buckets.
Thank you so much for posting these great old mosconi cups!
Thanks for this epic piece of history. Those darn snooker players make this game look so simple
It is
Nothing like getting your ass kicked at your game. I’m not very good at either snooker or 9ball but it’s clear who is the more well rounded players. It would be a blood bath on a snooker table.
watch Ronnie do his 147 in 5mins 20secs. it's on TH-cam. Masterclass
@@BetamaxV That was insane.
A younger davis, and a young rocket? With a cue each and a 9ft table with 50 inch pockets? What did you expect?
As an above average pool player ( Fargo Rate 620) and american supporter, there were soooo many times that I tried to explain why snooker is a harder game and why snooker players can do great in pool even when it is not their game and their advantage, but there were always stupid people here and there who never agree with it. This match is a perfect example of how well a snooker player can perform in pool. Snooker player like Tony Drago even won World Pool Championship. And all snooker players like Ronnie, Davis, Alex Higgins, White... used to play in Mosconi or other pool tournaments and they got really far also. Now you guys tell me any pool player ever won a snooker world championship. Earl, Efren, Pagulayan, Filler, Shane....???? The answer is NONE of them. Surely they are some of the greatest in pool but to compete in snooker, they can’t be compared to a snooker god like Ronnie or Hendry.
A snooker player can do well or even win a pool tournament even when they never practice playing pool. But a pool player can’t win a snooker tournament even when they try hard. That shows how advanced snooker game is.
The difference is that just because the basics are the same doesn't mean the game is the same... Potting balls isn't the only thing needed in pool, 9 ball it gets easier... But 8 ball on 7 foot tables, there's a reason u don't see huge packs ran like u have in 9 ball.. More clusters more strategy more traffic... Snooker the balls go to the same area each time... It's obvious it's harder to do certain things on snooker tables, but don't act like it's not hard to do things on pool tables also
destiny lags I never said pool is an easier game. There are even some aspects if pool games which is harder than snooker. Pool needs more creativity than snooker in shot making because of the frequency people can make 2-3 rail bank shot and carom shot because the pockets are fairly more forgiving than snooker. Because of that reason, you have to play a bit more attacking against same level or stronger player in order to win important layouts and matchs. Also, table speed and rail hardness are big factor in how you can cheat the pockets by hitting the edge of pockets, this is what pro players in pool do pay attention before they enter the match.
I play both pool and snooker, but mostly pool so I understand the mind set of both. Snooker is still more advanced and it trains you to be a better all around player, attacking, defensive and strategy. That’s why snooker and English 8 players do so well in pool. Darren Appleton, Chris Melling, Karl Boyes and Jayson Shaw all come from Eng 8 ball background. And Ronnie, Davis, Drago, Higgins and White are from snooker background and they did well in pool also.
@@TRANC3ak47 100%. Ive played pool since i was 6 years old and play snooker everyweek. I could take a few frames off the very best pool players here or there but i could play ronnie o'sullivan or steve davis 1 million times and i would never come even remotely close to beating them. When you come off a snooker table with tight unforgiving pockets and play on a small table with buckets for pockets you can still pot even if you butcher the shot or hit the cushion first. Even the greatest pool players of all time like efren reyes would stand little chance against top club players nevermind professionals
Mark Selby won the World 8 Ball championship before he won the Snooker World Championship
@@ashrichards4899 yes he did but he was always a snooker player from the start. He played pool but snooker was his bread and butter
Ronnie is like playing a mini-game. Wft LoL
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Man, Steve and Ronnie had played the 1997 Masters final in february that year. This is how good this duo was back then.
Ronnie playing with his snooker cue is just amazing
One of them know the game. The other one just yells.
Earl still sounded butthurt about losing against O'Sullivan in 96, during his commentary. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wish we'd see more of these kinds of tournaments. I miss watching snooker players come and beat pool players at their own game lol the crossover is so interesting and I love both sports. Snooker is just so hard to watch real time compared to pool but snooker players definitely have the skill to beat pool players while the reverse isn't true in accordance to their respective games
The level is pool is higher now, the snooker players don't do as well anymote
@@jtaco4101 Yeah there's a lot that comes with familiarity with the cloth, balls, pockets, cushions etc. that can give a pool player an advantage on their home turf. You can see that the snooker players struggle with things like banks and snooker escapes because of the way the cushions bounce differently on these tables, and even the slidey cloth throws them off sometimes, as it used to with me (I was a UK pool player and pretty bad snooker player who has moved over to 9 ball).
Not to mention the pressure the Americans are under here being pool champions playing against snooker players who don't even really care about the result and just see it as a bit of fun - the Americans have a LOT more to lose.
Ronnie, comes to play the best players at pool using a snooker cue and, dominating the entire game
yes very cool.. first time viewing this! Much appreciated!
Very well said and very true.
"You're playing against Steve and Ronnie".....oh dear....
The first televised maximum break man and the rocket
@@iweoldtimer Nah, Cliff Thorburn had the first televised 147
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Wrong, Thorburn had the first televised 147 at the World Championship in 83', Davis had the first ever at the Lada Classic in 82'.
@@truthsayerq7264 I stand corrected.
@@iweoldtimer Apologies, you were right, I was runner up.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed: the adverts are occasionally interrupted by a game of Pool, and it’s quite interesting. I would even watch that as the main feature, and only have *some* ads.
2 of the top 3 snooker players ever only going to go one way
Those pockets must look like basketball hoops to Ronnie and Steve!
This is the year Ronnie O'Sullivan made the world record in snooker for running a perfect game 147 points in during competition in 5 minutes and 8 seconds.
Great performance by both sides.
Ronnie coming in to teach them how to "position play."
8:38 57 Seconds to clean the table... Ronnie just went to have fun.
Why do pool guys think that snooker players would struggle with positional play? Snooker players are far more precise with both potting and positional play. The only thing that stops snooker players dominating 9-ball pool is the break
Break is the main thing, because in modern pool is the most important shot. I would add jump shots too, which are often decisive.
But there are other aspects of the game. For example Steve Davis and Jim Wych always say that in pool you have to use the spin (or english) a lot more than in snooker, so snooker players are not very used to it.
Another thing that Ronnie O'Sullivan pointed out, is that in pool there are shots that in snooker you don't even consider, because they are impossible, but for pool players are pretty normal shots. So they don't often foresee these shots.
Obviously snooker pro players could become very good pool players, but they would have to spend several years of playing and practicing to be top players and it's not worth it because of the little money involved.
Last thing: modern pool is totally different from these images, the game has changed dramatically in last 20 years. Pockets are now smaller and break rules have changed. Nowadays snooker players could never improvise a Mosconi Cup against the top guys of 9-ball.
(sorry for bad English, non my first language)
@@AngrierGorilla Lovely cute post.
@@AngrierGorilla yes pool has some impossible shots.
But the fundamentally, snooker is so superior.
Pool has bigger balls, broader cues, shorter tables and considerably bigger pockets.
Whereas snooker is completely opposite.
The level of precision and accuracy needed in snooker is very high.
Pool has more chance of error and recovery is very likely
But in snooker one mistake and the entire set down the shitter.
@@infamousroy4421 what you say is all right, but all these things are the same for your opponent. So I don't get why it would be easier winning a match or a World Championship...
The first game Ronnie wins is a good demonstration of his positional play. I watched the ‘96 MC yesterday, and you can see that Ronnie was struggling to get used to the weight of the pool balls. Certainly the reason he’s playing in ‘97 is because they started giving out more prize money, and he practiced a bit more. If a snooker guy gave it up for pool, and adopted the cue (which is probably important for getting more English on the larger pool balls), he would dominate.
If an average player can pick up a decent break with a couple hours on a practice table, certainly a world class snooker player could develop a break with a bit of practice.
I'm about 6 minutes in and the table looks like it isn't set-up correctly. Balls are curving unexpectedly. Perhaps my eyes are playing a trick on me?
Cheers 🍺
Standards for the table quality back then were probably lower, I imagine there were occasionally rolls or weird bounces, just part of the game. You even see it in some tournaments these days where the tables have been set up wrong or the infamous predator tables that just seem to be shit
Loved the punditry from Strickland and Rempe at the beginning, they had a lot of respect for the English boys! Great stuff
I didn't think they did at all
What's this BS about snooker players not knowing position play ? Wow. Just ignorant .
That's what I was thinking, it's the most important aspect in both games, if anything even more in snooker, there's more balls to pot 😅
Position in pool is much different as the table is smaller and the cloth feels completely different. For example you play a lot more with cushions in pool than you would in Snooker
Also the pockets are very different, most shots in pool would never work in snooker and you could never cut a ball into the middle pocket in pool like you could in snooker. Pool players can cheat the pocket much more than snooker players, so they can over or undercut and still make it and get different positional results.
Snooker players have to be much more accurate since the pockets are much smaller and they can't cheat it nearly as much. Also because the corners of the pockets are rounded so if you hit the corner you will very likely miss the shot as where in pool you can hit the corner and still make the ball because pool table pockets have pointy corners.
@@Ironsvillage = Let alone 'Plants' & Doubles. Snooker's a different 'ball game', but this ain't easy as people think.
It's cope. Maybe they'll be less creative with positional shots and spin but that doesn't mean they can't do it their own way and win, just like we've seen.
ronnie and steve make it look so easy.
Snooker palyers do not need to know any "position play", they just pocket the balls one after the other ... LOL
OMGGGG THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! More please :) From 1994, and rest of 95.96.97.98.99....... :DDDD Awesome!!!
The biggest difference between pool and snooker is the breakbuilding. In snooker it is much more difficult because you need to pot much more balls.
Technically both sports are very difficult, but also here is snooker the more difficult one. Its obvious, the balls are smaller. The smaller the balls are, you need much more precision to hit them. Same with the pockets. In snooker pockets are tighter, so there is more need of perfect accuaricy.
In both sport you need brilliance. But i would say, snooker is king of the sport. You can compare it to F1. Every F1 driver can drive also other series. But other drivers in other series have massive problems to get to F1 and aren't able to control an F1 car.
I agree with you but the F1 example isn’t right. F1 drivers are used to much faster cars but will cause them to push further, losing control of the car. Each sport requires time to master, it’s just the difference between how long it takes to find success.
Smaller balls require more precision? Not really mate, it's just the distances in snooker that do that. Smaller balls aren't any harder to hit, trust me, I've played all games extensively.
But you use a smaller tip on smaller balls, so that is cancelled out. I find it much easier to apply spin in snooker and especially UK pool compared to those big fat american balls. I don't know what games you're playing.
American pool has bigger pockets and slidier cloth that makes it much easier to pot balls, it has nothing to do with the balls being bigger. UK pool is arguably the easiest of the three and it has the smallest balls as well.@blueboy189
Ronnie made it look like a child's play ❤
Sid just keeps me laughing and engaged. 🤣
Did they walk out to the futurama theme song before it even came out? 😂😂
Ronnie would definitely give Efren a run for his money if he only played pool, if there was as much money in pool as there was in snooker we'd see a lot more laser straight shooters like these snooker players on tour. So many people really can't comprehend how amazingly talented these snooker players are.
My local bar us open but the pool tables are still covered these old masconi cups are great viewing when table time is at a minimum
3:00 Joe Davis would be like “hold my beer”
O'Sullivan e Davis spettacolo puro
These stupid pool player commentators think there is no "position" in snooker and hence pool is somehow harder than snooker. Pool is a child's game as compared to snooker.
I AGREE WITH U
Yeah... I would have to agree. Saying there is no position in snooker is really oversimplifying the game to the point of just being an ignorant statement. Snooker takes a higher level of precision play and a completely different mindset of billiards than just bang em in 9ball. Ronnie makes those pockets look like they're enormous, no problem pocketing balls and getting good position.
Me too ..i like snooker than 9 ball.. 9 ball like child game🤦🏼♂️
I'm not a pool or snooker player at all and so from a completely uneducated view, my guess would be that Snooker would have just as much if not more position play than Pool. Bigger table, more balls to pocket. Maybe once you get all the reds gone, it's more academic because the other balls are always in the same spot but still, so many more balls to worry about in Snooker so positioning would have to at least be just as important if not more so
@@BigFellaThx A Snooker table is about 12 feet long and 6 feet wide: positional play is everything. You can be amazing at potting balls and still get nowhere in Snooker if you can’t control the cue ball - it needs to be within a few inches of where you want it every single shot.
So if someone says they’re surprised at the good positional play, they might as well say they’re surprised that Snooker players are hitting the white ball with the thin end of the cue.
So much easier to watch with the sound off
Ronnie is a Queue magician, in whatever he's doing.
Welcome back
3:27 So Apparently Jim Is Saying That Position Play Is Key In Pool , So What Is Snooker If Not A Position Play Game ?
Upload the 2019 matches please. I'm dying of boredom during this COVID crapstorm.
These Americans really thought the pool players had a chance? They lost before the game start 😂
Pool is a profession to pool players ... it’s just a joke to snooker players ... it’s not rude it’s the truth
Until the snookers play the GoAt Reyes..
@Che Guevara Avy It's not rude, it's the truth..
@T 2017 True, snooker guys are better because of their high percentage shots. But Reyes is a precision kicker and cue controller. That edges him above everybody when it comes to pool. But yah the rest of the pool players are like dinner for top snookers.
@@semi5alphayou can search for the match between Reyes and Jimmy White. Though Reyes won that match but there were barely differences between two players. You can say that any top tier players at snooker can easily become goat on this pool table
@@nhackho6371 Nah.. Snooker guys are good at putting the balls in the holes but pool masters hide the cue too well..
Level the table. Wow
Well Riga mortise started setting in watching Reed play his shots, good god lol
reed peirce's haircut defies the 90s era country music loving hicks my god so majestic lol
Johnny archer is a great player
The stupid commentator who kept saying that snooker players will be lacking in positional play should be introduced to a maximum.
Yes a 147 in 5 minutes and 20 seconds.
I like the fact that snooker players don’t make unnecessary movements around the table like pool players do.
22:26 Both of then were using Snooker cues in this game.
What’s the difference between a snooker cue and a pool cue
@@leroyjenks2014 snooker cues are often times longer. But the biggest difference is that they're more thin at the end, their tip is a lot smaller. Which also means they're a bit more fragile, you can't hit balls as hard with them without risking damaging your cue. But you can aim more accurately generally. This is necessary in snooker as the tables are bigger and the holes smaller
The Essex Exocet is a legend.
Do they always play on a child’s table?
Pockets are awfully big
Can you watch this match with sullivan. And can you tell me how he missed the easiest shots in the world with those big "BUCKETS"? I made a comment with time stamps so its not gonna be hard for you. 🤣🤣🤣
Americans are always like a simple & easy sports ie. Race car in a rounded circuit, or rugby with a less rules (American Football), Billiards with smaller frame & wider pockets, etc.
Probably more rules in American football than in rugby I think. There's like 50 different penalties you can commit
What do you call the best snooker player in the world missing the easiest shot on a bucket like pocket on a 9 ball match? Can we say that man is dumb or what? How can you miss an easy shot if the pcokets are huge right?
im not blown away by the standard to be honest, im not just basing my opinion on this match - ive watched a lot of these great mosconi cup videos from the nineties, thanks for the uploads. i know the pressure is on, but ive seen better play by some lads in bars, and im not that far from this level of pool. has the level gone way up since the 90s or something?
Standards are definitely higher, but you can't compare a guy having a statistically amazing night in a pub with zero pressure to such a big event. Everyone who's half decent at pool has had nights where they just don't miss a pot, it doesn't mean they could beat any of these players in a match.
@@someguywhocanfly yeah, i dont remember typing that, you're right, i'd probably had too much bourbon and an inflated ego.
@@ryanbonner25 its alright i get it, the standard is definitely lower than modern pros and these guys look a lot more beatable than the likes of Filler or Shaw. standards always improve over time
Nice to hear Earl educate these morons on snooker. Seems to know his stuff. Would love to see him in some exhibition snooker matches.
Bring it on, these American kiddie pool champions would all be z grade snooker players.
Earls a cool guy but he can barely even play pool now, let alone snooker, and he wouldn't have been able to compete at snooker in his prime.
Look at ronnie now 🔥🔥
16:30 absolute tune
if youre a scummer chav.
@@stitcha123 if you have impeccable taste like myself
The first 10 min the commentators sure have a funny of saying that if the snooker guys migrated to pool the Americans would be out of a job
Fuck youtube for not even allowing music that was in the original broadcast, to be replayed. Copyright bullshit has gotten ridiculous
So good to watch commentary without over the top bellends like Sid
34:36...there must be a practice table cause I was thinking why the hell would they be holding cue sticks before it dawned on me
Earl is always a great commentator!
He really is. The billiard network channel has a lot of matches that commentates!
34:29 Earl lol, that man is just funny
SO, tell me more about how positional play will be difficult for snooker players. Lol.
This was not Reed Pierce's day.
Someone please explain the benefits of a closed bridge when it clearly doesn’t have to be used
The commentator :') "They're all the same, the only thing different is... everything other than that they involve a ball"
The replays are so basly timed. If they wernt slowmo it would of been ok
There must be audio problems. Sids voice fluctuates.
It's a pity we could hear it at all
@@petermernagh9991 for copyright reasons they have to cut out the songs
@@petermernagh9991 Sid was a better man than you, guaranteed.
As a half decent pool layer i can say that snooker is leagues ahead in terms of difficulty and skill required. Been looking online to find a head to head of a pool player playing a snooker playing at snooker. Cant find even one game.
Did souquet ever have hair?
Yes , but 30 years ago you can see here :D th-cam.com/video/3LW0-bKFhrI/w-d-xo.html
Pierce and Davenport are like Ortmann, angry men. I was embarrassed by Pierce's angry fist at the other side. There's no call for that. It's a game more against oneself than "the enemy". And Davenport seemed to want to invest his shots with a venting of anger, jabbing at the cue ball with an "in yer face" coup de gras, but then missed a relatively easy shot at pocket speed, instead set it up for Souquet. Finesse is the name of the game. Ive never seen Efren play angrily. He directs frustration back at himself. Imagine pairing Pierce and Davenport, maybe their combined energies could cancel each other's rashness in some way. But Varner, quite the opposite nature from either of those two with a more even tempered player might have gained that needed point. So Varner's captaincy showed a poor matching I believe.
all Americans here just refuse to admit snooker players are better that all pool players by sounds of this commentary
The ignorance in the Americans is embarrassing!! anyone can play pool that's why they put them in pubs! Snooker players are cueists, pool players are just pool players
I love how earl strickland says he thinks steve davis is still best snooker player in his eyes and dont care what anyone says etc
Respect for saying that whether thats true or not steve certainly right up there with hendry and o sullivan
22:19 Look at da, Davis's thick lips! LOL
When I visit the UK no one wants to play snooker with me. They all want to play American pool. The one and only reason they give... "snooker is too bloody hard! I wanna play something fun that I can actually do and win every now and then"
To all the commentators and people that think pool holds a candle to snooker. Not even 1 pocket or 14:1. Carom comes close.
15:17 Ronnie has 17 147 breaks in snooker each and every single pool player on earth including efreyen Reyes cant even make a 100 break forget 147
lmao the thinking of snooker and pool are exactly the same
I laughed so hard when that noob commentator said pool is a scientific game..😅😅
Kid go and try snooker once...
You would get to know what the word HARD means..
I don't mean to belittle or disrespect Pool players because having wasted so much of my childhood playing various billiard games (And never gained any credibility outside of my immediate friends..., much like my guitar skills) I am keenly aware of the different strategies and skills that separate the mediocre player from the genius in the different disciplines.
The simple reality is that the difference between Snooker and pool is there will never be serious competition between an American and European team on a Snooker table. With the exception of Cliff Thorburn (a Canadian), I can't think of a single person from the New world that can compete on a Snooker table with the best.
I would love to be proven wrong, for the love of sport I would love to see an accomplished pool player go to Europe and show the snooker players how to play their own game. But up until now, it's always been up to the Europeans to adapt to the American game to gain any kind of comparison.
And to be honest, given the success of the Europeans in the American arena (Alison Fisher as a prime example) and zero Americans in the European arena that are worthy of mention. I kinda feel like these tournaments are a distraction from their grown-up job.
Snooker players do know positional play
They just don’t need to come off of cushions, they have cue ball control
29:26 except it wasn't really 2 minutes, it was only 1.5 minutes at that point
I thought that long skinny player looked familiar!! 🤭
As another commented, it’s like watching chess masters playing draughts ...
who is this rookie reed guy and why was he playing with titans?
What do Pool players think of snookers?
9:46 a replay of Rocket's 9 Ball pot the 9 doesn’t ROLL it floats into the pocket WTF???
Pockets like buckets
How come there are no Asians in Mosconi cup. I would love to see Efren, Django, etc play the Europeans and Americans
Efren is like 70 years old lol he's no match for these youngsters. Even he's said it.
Because the tournament is played between USA and Europe
The Americans have Mullet-Power
the pockets are so huge
Archers back looked like it was ready to blow out carrying reed
19:28 That sis why I hate this kine of billiards table.
This just shows a snooker player could walk in and win a 9 ball us open when ever they wanted
It's funny that you don't see these American kiddie pool players over in Great Britain playing snooker, they would need binoculars to play on a large snooker table with pockets that aren't like buckets.
If this was in America, every shot would be " get in the hole ".
Pool is child’s play compared to snooker lol
the american peter ebdon 29:00
2minute for stupid shoot