CNHL have been my go-to pack for a few years now, predominantly for EDF and large electric air applications, although now sourcing some smaller cells for boats (spinning a prop through water draws current like nothing else lol). You are probably aware of the battery testing on RCGroups, where CNHL perform well in some years, but not so much in others. And therein lies the rub, right? We cant know where brands are sourcing their cells from and our favourite packs may not be consistent from year to year. At the end of the day, all I expect is a fair price for a fair battery. Testing like this goes a long way to enabling those sorts of decisions.
I did a test between Zee 6200mah 100c vs CNHL 90C 6200MAH. The cnhl was 10mph faster than the Zee lipo. By far the new SMC v3 speed run lipo is the best i have tested.
Ya dude I just bought a cnhl black series 5000mah 65c, o have not ran ot yet. But the reason why I got a cnhl was bcuz there c rates. Bcuz I'm sure that u all know that ALOT of battery manufacturers lie on there c rates. And they r a great value for what ur getting. Thanks again Aron.
A bit weird that the HRB didn't surpass all the other brands, I've used all kind of Lipo packs brands and HRB proved to be top quality & performance, HRB cell tabs are connected in series by spot welding as opposed to all other brands who cook the heck of their cells while joining them by soldering, and it definitely shows in form of *major* inconsistency of internal resistance. Don't ask how I know their insides, (spoilers: I've crashed many, had to open the wrapping) My 6s HRB packs I've had for 4 years still perform incredibly well. Thanks for listening to my TED talk. Happy racing Ryan, All the best!
Hey Eden, so far I'm not super happy with the hrbs. They are the lightest and smallest form factor though, so it does make sense they don't pack the same punch.
I've only been running cnhl for the past 2 years for my testing batteries. SMC still has faster packs but not by much and for double the price. Use the cnhl till you max out then use an smc to get the final top speed pass. Been seeing + 8mph difference between cnhl and other brands like spektrum, zee, traxxas, hrb, hoovo, power hobby etc.
I would love to see you test an smc battery, I would imagine they would be the best batteries you can get a hold of (if they ship to Canada). I would suggest taking a look at the rc groups lipo load testing forum, just this year alone they were able to do scientific load testing to over 55 lipos from different brands. (It’s a EDF paradise!)
@@RCexplained they still have the largest test pool ranging across most of the known lipo brands, I wouldn’t count their testing out because 15/25% of the batteries are HV. And they do not have only Hv batteries for any 1 manufacturer except for “bolt”
@@RCexplained I am in Canada as well. Right now I am sitting with my finger on the order button deciding on a pair of 5000mah 65C black batteries for $155 cdn for the pair and free shipping. The black version is an older design but has good reviews. Just wondering if I should get these or wait until the newer racing line is back in stock. Decisions, decisions.....
Thanks, Frank and you too have a good Christmas and happy new year . Nothing planned yet. Got a few things to take care of outside of rc. But my projects usually are just to find ways to put more power in to what I have. How about you, new projects?
Good Morning Ryan. I have some new projects in the works. Top secret. I enjoy your videos even though they are totally beyond my scope of understanding.
Measuring the internal resistance of batteries is a sensitive process. Accurate measurements are not possible using the thin balance cable. You must subtract the resistance of the cables between the meter and the battery from the value obtained. Since you do not take this into account, you are constantly showing the internal resistance of the batteries as higher than the actual value.
What about quality control and safety with these budget brands? Have you found any information about this? Performance info is great, but general reliability and safety is my primary concern.
Nice! I have a couple of the 5500mah 3S 120C bricks from Zeee and I'm happy with them so far. People are saying they are actually around 80-100c but that's plenty more than the 50c 2200mah packs I was running. Good for bashing, but I'd think you would want to match your C rating and Mah so you don't have too much draw or not enough 'gas' in the tank for speed running.
Ran both of these in 1/8 off - road buggys ; the ZEES ended up puffy or not charging evenly ( pre - puffed ? ) and consequently disposed of correctly ( not kidding , do this guys ) I'm personally leaning towards higher C rather than larger stated MAH as a go - to even if there's a fudge factor in both ...
Great info. But if we know for sure that the numbers are especially exaggerated when getting 100c and above why not make test on the lower battery pack. Lower being those being marketed as simply 30c back and say 5000mah or 6000mah or whatever. Would the lower C (which generally also means less cost to our wallets) is a better and more realistic purchase? Maybe the lower C packs outperform their ratings. Or that could all be wishful thinking. Anyway you can test some of the spektrum smart batteries? Maybe the g1 packs since they have balance leads. But the g2 packs offer options up into the 120C range and pretty large mah capacity.
Ive gotten 130mph plus on 3s parallel with CNHL 70c. In a big 1/7 scale, Arrma. Fantastic lipos for the price. SMC are better, but of course, they cost more too.
@RCexplained high 500s on my fastest parallel passes. Here is a 130mph with a single CNHL 70c 6000mah. I did overcharge it to reach this speed. Show voltage after the pass as well with a voltage meter right off the ESC power post. I very much enjoy your channel and the way you break down and explain things. Great work sir 🫡
CNHL have been my go-to pack for a few years now, predominantly for EDF and large electric air applications, although now sourcing some smaller cells for boats (spinning a prop through water draws current like nothing else lol). You are probably aware of the battery testing on RCGroups, where CNHL perform well in some years, but not so much in others. And therein lies the rub, right? We cant know where brands are sourcing their cells from and our favourite packs may not be consistent from year to year.
At the end of the day, all I expect is a fair price for a fair battery. Testing like this goes a long way to enabling those sorts of decisions.
you are by far the best most detailed scientific rebiewers
Thank you for the kind words
I did a test between Zee 6200mah 100c vs CNHL 90C 6200MAH. The cnhl was 10mph faster than the Zee lipo. By far the new SMC v3 speed run lipo is the best i have tested.
The smc speed run still best battery I’ve ran as well.
I'll test an smc one day
Ya dude I just bought a cnhl black series 5000mah 65c, o have not ran ot yet. But the reason why I got a cnhl was bcuz there c rates. Bcuz I'm sure that u all know that ALOT of battery manufacturers lie on there c rates. And they r a great value for what ur getting. Thanks again Aron.
C ratings can be quite far from the truth. That's why we do real world tests.
A bit weird that the HRB didn't surpass all the other brands, I've used all kind of Lipo packs brands and HRB proved to be top quality & performance, HRB cell tabs are connected in series by spot welding as opposed to all other brands who cook the heck of their cells while joining them by soldering, and it definitely shows in form of *major* inconsistency of internal resistance.
Don't ask how I know their insides, (spoilers: I've crashed many, had to open the wrapping)
My 6s HRB packs I've had for 4 years still perform incredibly well.
Thanks for listening to my TED talk.
Happy racing Ryan, All the best!
Hey Eden, so far I'm not super happy with the hrbs. They are the lightest and smallest form factor though, so it does make sense they don't pack the same punch.
If that's the case then yeah man, makes sense, cheers buddy@@RCexplained
umm i havent listened, but thanks. jk how do i find it?
Just ordered the 6.0 Ah of the G+ line. I'm very curious now.
I have done a datalog with the smc speed run v3 6200 4s pack. The smc 6200 srd will handle 350 amps for a few seconds.
Absolutely!
I've only been running cnhl for the past 2 years for my testing batteries. SMC still has faster packs but not by much and for double the price. Use the cnhl till you max out then use an smc to get the final top speed pass. Been seeing + 8mph difference between cnhl and other brands like spektrum, zee, traxxas, hrb, hoovo, power hobby etc.
Nice! Sounds good. I'll test smc packs one day!
I ran 5 mph faster than Spektrum with the G+ with no other changes.
Great batteries, especially for racing qwads. Im a nitro guy for rc cars, so I haven't tried them for that.
Nice! I ran nitro exclusively nearly 20years ago. I went brushless when I saw 100+mph is extremely difficult with nitro.
@RCexplained all but one of my cars or buggies are nitro. For sure electric is the way for speed runs.
I would love to see you test an smc battery, I would imagine they would be the best batteries you can get a hold of (if they ship to Canada). I would suggest taking a look at the rc groups lipo load testing forum, just this year alone they were able to do scientific load testing to over 55 lipos from different brands. (It’s a EDF paradise!)
I looked more recently and they have a lot of HV packs now. I'm still interested in regular packs but do know HV have come a long way more recently.
@@RCexplained they still have the largest test pool ranging across most of the known lipo brands, I wouldn’t count their testing out because 15/25% of the batteries are HV. And they do not have only Hv batteries for any 1 manufacturer except for “bolt”
I had no idea you are Canadian. I purchased 2 CNHL 6.0 6S lipos. Thank you for all the hard work over the years
Yep, I'm Canadian eh! how are the CNHL's?
@@RCexplained I am in Canada as well. Right now I am sitting with my finger on the order button deciding on a pair of 5000mah 65C black batteries for $155 cdn for the pair and free shipping. The black version is an older design but has good reviews. Just wondering if I should get these or wait until the newer racing line is back in stock. Decisions, decisions.....
The way he says some words is a strong tell lol
@@peoplearecrazy1798 yup, like Pro-cess
Hi Ryan. Has a safe and happy holiday. Any new projects for next spring ?
Thanks, Frank and you too have a good Christmas and happy new year .
Nothing planned yet. Got a few things to take care of outside of rc. But my projects usually are just to find ways to put more power in to what I have.
How about you, new projects?
Good Morning Ryan. I have some new projects in the works. Top secret. I enjoy your videos even though they are totally beyond my scope of understanding.
@frank-vq4mx good morning, thanks Frank. Looking forward to seeing your projects!
How about having a vehicle equipped with sensors to measure (and record) this data in real time for later analysis?
This is essentially what has been done.
Then explain to those of us who missed this episode as to how it's done...what sensors, what micro, what data log, etc.
You can do all of this using a datalogging ESC
Measuring the internal resistance of batteries is a sensitive process. Accurate measurements are not possible using the thin balance cable. You must subtract the resistance of the cables between the meter and the battery from the value obtained. Since you do not take this into account, you are constantly showing the internal resistance of the batteries as higher than the actual value.
What is the risk in showing the internal resistance as a higher value than actual?
What about quality control and safety with these budget brands? Have you found any information about this? Performance info is great, but general reliability and safety is my primary concern.
Nice! I have a couple of the 5500mah 3S 120C bricks from Zeee and I'm happy with them so far. People are saying they are actually around 80-100c but that's plenty more than the 50c 2200mah packs I was running. Good for bashing, but I'd think you would want to match your C rating and Mah so you don't have too much draw or not enough 'gas' in the tank for speed running.
Nothing over 50C exists and your average Lipo is 20C. Top tier are 30C…SMC might have some 40C
@@ericklein5097 🤨 you sure about that?😆
@@scaleworksRCThose zees are probably more like 10c rating
@@keldonator That's funny because the 5200mah packs were giving me 90+mph. Not possible with a 10C rating.
@@scaleworksRC You can easily test it yourself 👍
Ran both of these in 1/8 off - road buggys ; the ZEES ended up puffy or not charging evenly ( pre - puffed ? ) and consequently disposed of correctly ( not kidding , do this guys )
I'm personally leaning towards higher C rather than larger stated MAH as a go - to even if there's a fudge factor in both ...
CNHL 70c are very good speed running bang for the buck pack.
Agree!
Please test the HRB graphene and the HRB premium 100c
Do you think that the CNHL 90c G+ 5000mAh will be better?
Not sure
@@RCexplained Actually, the 90C is 5200 mAh and is called racing series.
At the end you said there not the best. Im genuinely asking not being sarcastic. In your opinion whats the best lipo for the money
Smc are suppose to be good. Hoping to test these at some point.
Whats a good C rating for speedruns?
The highest real c rating you can get as we've tested on this channel.
Great info. But if we know for sure that the numbers are especially exaggerated when getting 100c and above why not make test on the lower battery pack. Lower being those being marketed as simply 30c back and say 5000mah or 6000mah or whatever. Would the lower C (which generally also means less cost to our wallets) is a better and more realistic purchase? Maybe the lower C packs outperform their ratings. Or that could all be wishful thinking.
Anyway you can test some of the spektrum smart batteries? Maybe the g1 packs since they have balance leads. But the g2 packs offer options up into the 120C range and pretty large mah capacity.
I'll test lower c rating packs in time. Hopefully spektrums as well
great video
Ive gotten 130mph plus on 3s parallel with CNHL 70c. In a big 1/7 scale, Arrma. Fantastic lipos for the price. SMC are better, but of course, they cost more too.
Sounds crazy! How many amps on 3s?
@RCexplained high 500s on my fastest parallel passes. Here is a 130mph with a single CNHL 70c 6000mah. I did overcharge it to reach this speed. Show voltage after the pass as well with a voltage meter right off the ESC power post. I very much enjoy your channel and the way you break down and explain things. Great work sir 🫡
@@Chris-adams-rc-journey very nice
only in Canada eh! pity.
Test onyx batts. And smc because they are the leaders. Thanknu i love your work.
Don't have access to either of these two brands here in the UK but from what I've seen these seem to be what the best speed runners are using
And very high end prices..so let's all message him to debunk Any claims made by them.
Chnl is the best for bang for buck.
Dude, learn how to say against like you have a pair.
Tough guy over here. Move along bro, I could care less.