If that is the extent of it I don't think you lost much without the prebuy. Airplanes are vibration machines that happen to be able to fly. Parts break and wear out. You should expect and anticipate that and maintain constant vigilance. Don't view it as poor me I bought a bad airplane. More parts are soon to fail so maintain a good attitude and you will enjoy that pretty bird a lot more.
Humble, straightforward guy. I think this is a great example of what an airplane purchase looks like for someone who is not a pro, and there are some great takeaways.
Thank you. Your video changed the cost of airplane that I am looking for. Need more of a financial buffer. Thanks for documenting your challenges for the rest of us. Beautiful airplane!
As the old saying goes, “When you buy quality you only cry once”, regardless you’re still crying one way or the other. Chalk it up to experience and you have a plane that you love and you’re making it your own! She’s going to give you great trips and good stories and you will be prepared for your next purchase because I don’t know any pilot that only bought one plane. Enjoy and easy on those brakes. 😊
Anything you have in life is gonna cost you money, be it planes, boats or cars. As long as you make sure they don’t cost you anything else you might just go out of this world old and enriched. I heard someone say that life is not a race to the end, life is the journey. When I was younger I always heard life was wine, women and song. I’m at the age a woman doesn’t affect me, I can’t carry a tune in a bucket but still like my whiskey and damn I have some great memories. I think you did great, maybe you might have done it better. But if you look at it don’t you think you would have probably had the same cost if you had done a prebuy, or got another plane in the long run possibly. Great up front video.
First off welcome to the 180 club! If you’re not already, would love to have you in the International 180/185 club. I joined over 12 years ago , the wealth of information these old guys have is priceless! But for me the friendship and places it has taken me as far as club fly-in’s are places I would have never experienced had I not been a part of the club. Like many old birds , it’s a multi year process to get them to where they are the way you want it. Took me 10 years, but not another bird I would rather have!
I have owned quite a few airplanes over the years, and the first year of ownership has always been expensive, getting it into the condition you want it in. That is just for airworthiness issues, avionics upgrades, etcetera come later. That has held true for every plane I have owned, whether a 152, T210, Bonanza, T-6, Baron or 310. You always find little hidden surprises, but it's worth it!
My grumman was originally 15k, then after trailering it a thousand miles we tore it apart and after a whole summer at 10k later it was finally airworthy. Airplanes are never what you think they are
Well, maybe a good teacher in what not to do! I just checked out your channel... you have a awesome voice! It would be a pleasure to share a campfire with you on a backcountry strip along with your guitar! Good luck with your purchase. If I can help in anyway I would be happy to! I just finished a trip from MI to CA and back. I am way behind on my editing but I think I have worked out the bugs... she is running great and the cost has come down dramatically.
Thanks for the frank discussion on getting your skywagon running. I'm in a similar process w 1958 182 that I bought last October also. We had an annual and an over the shoulder type of "prebuy " at the time but it's been a monthly occurance to fix something on it. I hope I'm seeing the way through the end of the forest by now. I now have abt 85 hrs on the plane.
SW Thanks for watching! I don't think we are the only two..... I am talking about this to shed a little different perspective on the subject... NOT every landing is perfect or any purchase of an airplane! Sometimes we pilots can leave out critical details that could help the next guy! Good luck on your purchase!
I understand...I got impatient and did the prebuy myself too. I opened up all the inspection ports and didn't see anything alarming. But I did have to put money into the airplane once I got it home as some things failed...recently a new right gas tank. I've had the plane less than a year now. I also put a new AI in it, new tires, tubes and brake pads, new strut fairings, a new spinner, a new clock, new cigarette lighter receptacle. Not quite what you had to do though. Glad you're getting yours in shape!
Sometimes you gotta accept the risk and roll with it. Your issues are pretty minor normal stuff. Good job on the video explaining what people can expect that may not be familiar. You now own one of the greatest single engine airplanes ever made and they are tough to buy, but worth it.
Thanks for the video! Nice 180, I've been looking at buying a tailwheel, I think my budget is more in the Cessna 140 range haha. But what I'm hearing from this video, is that airplane ownership is a lot like owning a Jeep.
You didn't mention how many hours are on the engine. That would be a key piece of information. And swapping out components without figuring out what was going on with systems is an expensive way to fix problems (the attitude and directional gyros might have been just fine) but vacuum pumps are always needing attention. They often fail at the worst possible moment...I had a pressure pump (the "vacuum pump" on a Beech) die in IMC on a low approach. Going electronic here is probably a good idea. Either way, a glance at the suction gauge could have helped you and saved time and dollars. And from where I sit, after the cost of buying a strut and having it paint matched and installed, you were probably better off buying new. When something goes south (like an intermittent transponder), stop, take a breath, and go to the basics. Is the connection secure? Is the box secure? Is the connection to the antenna corroded? Can you make it fail by jiggling the case? If none of the above, then pull the box and have it bench checked. Tossing new components at problems will eventually solve them, but it will be unnecessarily costly. Nice airplane, though, and watch what you do with those brakes. Be smooth. You don't want to have to go hunting for another prop. Robin
Robin, Thank you for your comments.. hopefully someone else will read them and learn... I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Its guys like you that can really help everyone learn!
The second you said AV-30's I winced. I'm surprised your unit didn't give you any trouble. I bought two for my GlaStar and have serious regrets. Both the AI and DG are unreliable and glitchy. Congrats on the plane and thanks for fixing it up correctly and not skimping on maintenance!!!
my buddy , a fellow Vet, and I had a Grumman Tiger...my buddy informs me he lost his medical and would no longer be paying the bills with me- that weekend, Im flying VFR at about 9 pm at 3500 ft over Belton lake, just west of KTPL and i hear this sudden thumping...and vibration from the engine...i asked the kid ( non pilot) who was sitting next to me " you know how to swim?" his face goes seriously white and says "i think so"...why?" I said if this motor comes apart were going in the lake...i pulled power back to the least roughness and notified approach i was going to try and make runway 33, 7 miles or so......made it...engine threw a rod....20 thousand dollars to fix it....welcome to aviation
You got off easy .... my 53 cost me 50K in the first 3 years another 7K for the next 2 ... now a new battery .... I'm happy as a clam when I fly it ...
I did the same thing years ago on a Cessna 170. Really got burned. I won 100% back in court. Got a 172 and we’ve been enjoying life. Glad it’s working out man.
First, it's a wonderful looking 180. Second, it's great to hear an honest assessment of aircraft ownership. A good rule of thumb with any luxury item is how will you react to a $5,000 repair bill. They happen. My first annual was about $5,000 and all the old parts fit in a Ziplock sandwich bag! Stuff needs attention and labor is a big part of it. Good luck and good flying!
Actually, I'd go a little further, like; how much if I hadda' buy a new constant speed propeller for this, or, how much would a bolt on overhauled engine cost for this thing.... If you're comfortable with that, flying is for you :-)
Greg, Thanks for watching! It looks like you are still flying around in Idaho. It was amazing training out there. I hope to get back out there next spring.
@@villagewealthmanagement Let me know if you do, I'll show you a few amazing spots to go to. I live in the Coeur d' Alene area so I'm always bouncing around the backcountry.
Unfortunately, the average age of the Cessna fleet in the US is really old, way past the age that was designed for. If I have to buy a used airplane, I would rather buy a newer but used Vans experimental because the problems of corrosion and age are mostly non event. Of course, have seen this video, I would have a complete prebuy. Thanks for sharing.
Jstieger2228 Good luck with your purchase! I am sure you will find it to be a great adventure! The pain of regret (not buying an airplane) is way more painful than parting with a few dollars!
@@villagewealthmanagement all good you didn't I was already put off as I was told that to buy an aircraft you need an endless money pit if your not making money from it.
very interesting enjoy listening to you I have always wanted to buy a 180 and was always curious as to much expenses,Iam an aircraft mechanic so i could do alot of the work but as you said the price of the parts.Maybe some time I may have the oppurtunity to set some goals like you said.i have alot of tail wheel time including the 180 /185.I see you having fun and getting more and more expieienced.:)
You should have bought a cheap taildragger like a Champ or 140 to get your PPL in. Far fewer things to go wrong, and the ones that do go wrong are a lot less expensive to fix than on a larger, more complex plane. Then when you have figured out how to fly, move it down the road and buy whatever plane suits your long term goals.
These airplanes are old. Most have been modified with no indications in the log. You can expect similar scenarios from almost any airplane of this vintage. It’s very difficult to find all of this out before hand. Welcome to the club!!
Way to power through. Aircraft, I've owned several of them, the good news is that usually it's nothing money can't take care of. I tell people I spend most my money on aviation, the rest I just waste.
FYI: pre buys are NO garentee, it's not the same as an annual inspection. The best you can hope for is to get your money back on the prebuy if you have an experience like this. Even an annual does not catch everything. The faa teaches the a and p you are inspecting the plane for that day. Things break, that's just life. You probably would have had the same proplems either with a pre buy or not. A mechanic can't find everything wrong on the plane.
"You'd better be careful" Be careful that you aren't lacking a very large sum of money to spend on a toy. That's the most significant takeaway from anyone who has owned an aircraft.
It’s like a boat (B.O.A.T.) (Bust Out Another Thousand). The second happiest day is the day you bought it. The happiest is the day you cash the check from the sale. And a lot of “Long story short”, followed by several thousand $ expenses. The moral of the story is: “Should’a bought a Bonanza”.
@@villagewealthmanagement It pays to careful no matter the country, a Canadian I know bought a C-185 in Texas and it had wings from a different year/ model aircraft so was illegal in Canada. Plane went back to Texas
$800 Prebuys are overrated. They won't go boroscope your intended plane. Just more obvious external issues are catch. In the end, you'll need luck. Those planes where made with 15 years/5000k hours of useful life in mind, not 30 much less, 60! Anything above 30 is pushing ... it belongs to museums, as an engineering point of perception. When big things like wing spar AD florish, the fleet is already beyond project, needing hugely aberration expensive bandaids, IMO.
My Dear Sir: you would do very well addressing the National Association of Psychiatric Mind Benders at their annual convention for the sake of explaining just how you avoided
I like how you ended the video. Gives me some hope. I’m in the late stages of buying an airplane who’s prebuy inspection was done by the current aircraft mechanic shop. Because I’m buying it in a remote area I could not get an independent prebuy. So, who knows what I’m getting myself into, thankfully it’s a Cherokee 180 and not included in the recent Spar AD. Oh I plan to go out and check out the logbooks myself like you did and also scan it to a shop back home for their assessment. They just did an oil change or during the pre-buy and said there’s no contaminants, But I am thinking about having them repeat that oil change after I test fly just so that I know and verify myself visually that it has been done. Does that sound unreasonable?
Benny, Sometimes you have to go with your gut.... just have some reserve to cushion the "what ifs" I will be doing another video soon on the actual numbers. Spoiler.... I bought the plane right so I could eat some of the unexpected costs. Good luck with your purchase. Flying is a blast! I am sure you will find your overall experience to be very life enriching!
You can easily fly someone to the plane to look at it no matter how remote. It is just the cost of knowing what you are buying. At least that way you know how much you will pay before the plane's problems become 100% your problem, and you can renegotiate the price as things pop up. To help pay for the cost of flying someone out there.
@@kwittnebel I called several Shops out there looking for someone who would do just that but everyone insisted the plane must be brought to their shop So they would have all the tools to do a proper prebuy
@@reyesben Honestly there is no way I would buy a Cherokee like that. I used a guy named Sean out of Michigan 734.516.9939. The plane I bought was OK but the next three he looked at were all lemons that failed in one way or another. He is and ATP and an AP. I paid him to fly the plane out to me also. Not cheap, but I knew what the issues were when it arrived on my doorstep and that I would be able to jump straight into it and go rather than lose the plane to repairs for several months. Anyway Sean is a great guy. Cost you some cash, but it's the devil you know vs the one you don't. Good luck either way.
@@kwittnebel thank you sir. I know you’re right. I need to find a way to get someone to meet me at the plane. I can fly it home if it passes the mustard.
If you would like custom professional training in your 180/185 contract techflying. This training will save you the Embarrassment and expense of a ground loop.
Leigh, I have been watching your videos... very impressive. I am definitely interested in connecting with you. I am currently putting in a new panel and I will be working on obtaining my IFR.
You paid a premium for scrap. Did you check ADs before making an offer? This story is one disaster after another, and I would have to question the authenticity of the logs.
if I buy a plane, I am gonna make the seller test fly the plane personally. I will actually pay for the expense for us to go Cross-Country! And if he hesitates, I will consider that a REd Flag!
@@villagewealthmanagement through your personal suffering during this lengthy and costly process, we have gained invaluable wisdom and learned of how sophisticated and complex such an acquisition might be! But, I guess life was never cut and dry to start with! Your story is proof of that! Thanks for sharing such wisdom of this elusive industry with us!
A AV 30 is the wrong instrument for a DG replacement, as you know now. Sorry I think you are going about this all wrong. 150 hrs and you buy a 180? Your'e ok with 5800. buck per year? Wow
Buy an airplane? hahaha! The biggest mistake you'll ever make in your life. Good luck. No intention of being rude, but airplane ownership is ideal for those where money is abundant and plentiful. Just when you think you are in the clear, you get hit in the gut again. And again.
If that is the extent of it I don't think you lost much without the prebuy. Airplanes are vibration machines that happen to be able to fly. Parts break and wear out. You should expect and anticipate that and maintain constant vigilance. Don't view it as poor me I bought a bad airplane. More parts are soon to fail so maintain a good attitude and you will enjoy that pretty bird a lot more.
Humble, straightforward guy. I think this is a great example of what an airplane purchase looks like for someone who is not a pro, and there are some great takeaways.
Thank you. Your video changed the cost of airplane that I am looking for. Need more of a financial buffer. Thanks for documenting your challenges for the rest of us. Beautiful airplane!
As the old saying goes, “When you buy quality you only cry once”, regardless you’re still crying one way or the other. Chalk it up to experience and you have a plane that you love and you’re making it your own! She’s going to give you great trips and good stories and you will be prepared for your next purchase because I don’t know any pilot that only bought one plane. Enjoy and easy on those brakes. 😊
Anything you have in life is gonna cost you money, be it planes, boats or cars. As long as you make sure they don’t cost you anything else you might just go out of this world old and enriched. I heard someone say that life is not a race to the end, life is the journey. When I was younger I always heard life was wine, women and song. I’m at the age a woman doesn’t affect me, I can’t carry a tune in a bucket but still like my whiskey and damn I have some great memories. I think you did great, maybe you might have done it better. But if you look at it don’t you think you would have probably had the same cost if you had done a prebuy, or got another plane in the long run possibly. Great up front video.
First off welcome to the 180 club! If you’re not already, would love to have you in the International 180/185 club. I joined over 12 years ago , the wealth of information these old guys have is priceless! But for me the friendship and places it has taken me as far as club fly-in’s are places I would have never experienced had I not been a part of the club. Like many old birds , it’s a multi year process to get them to where they are the way you want it. Took me 10 years, but not another bird I would rather have!
I have owned quite a few airplanes over the years, and the first year of ownership has always been expensive, getting it into the condition you want it in. That is just for airworthiness issues, avionics upgrades, etcetera come later. That has held true for every plane I have owned, whether a 152, T210, Bonanza, T-6, Baron or 310. You always find little hidden surprises, but it's worth it!
Thanks for those words of encouragement! And Thanks for watching!
My grumman was originally 15k, then after trailering it a thousand miles we tore it apart and after a whole summer at 10k later it was finally airworthy. Airplanes are never what you think they are
Appreciate the honesty and taking the time to share your experiences.
I’m currently looking for a 180. I’ve got 10k plus hours and plenty of tail wheel time. This guy is a good teacher!
Well, maybe a good teacher in what not to do! I just checked out your channel... you have a awesome voice! It would be a pleasure to share a campfire with you on a backcountry strip along with your guitar! Good luck with your purchase. If I can help in anyway I would be happy to! I just finished a trip from MI to CA and back. I am way behind on my editing but I think I have worked out the bugs... she is running great and the cost has come down dramatically.
Thanks for the frank discussion on getting your skywagon running. I'm in a similar process w 1958 182 that I bought last October also. We had an annual and an over the shoulder type of "prebuy " at the time but it's been a monthly occurance to fix something on it. I hope I'm seeing the way through the end of the forest by now. I now have abt 85 hrs on the plane.
SW Thanks for watching! I don't think we are the only two..... I am talking about this to shed a little different perspective on the subject... NOT every landing is perfect or any purchase of an airplane! Sometimes we pilots can leave out critical details that could help the next guy! Good luck on your purchase!
I understand...I got impatient and did the prebuy myself too. I opened up all the inspection ports and didn't see anything alarming. But I did have to put money into the airplane once I got it home as some things failed...recently a new right gas tank. I've had the plane less than a year now. I also put a new AI in it, new tires, tubes and brake pads, new strut fairings, a new spinner, a new clock, new cigarette lighter receptacle. Not quite what you had to do though. Glad you're getting yours in shape!
Sometimes you gotta accept the risk and roll with it. Your issues are pretty minor normal stuff. Good job on the video explaining what people can expect that may not be familiar. You now own one of the greatest single engine airplanes ever made and they are tough to buy, but worth it.
Thanks for the video! Nice 180, I've been looking at buying a tailwheel, I think my budget is more in the Cessna 140 range haha. But what I'm hearing from this video, is that airplane ownership is a lot like owning a Jeep.
You didn't mention how many hours are on the engine. That would be a key piece of information. And swapping out components without figuring out what was going on with systems is an expensive way to fix problems (the attitude and directional gyros might have been just fine) but vacuum pumps are always needing attention. They often fail at the worst possible moment...I had a pressure pump (the "vacuum pump" on a Beech) die in IMC on a low approach. Going electronic here is probably a good idea. Either way, a glance at the suction gauge could have helped you and saved time and dollars. And from where I sit, after the cost of buying a strut and having it paint matched and installed, you were probably better off buying new.
When something goes south (like an intermittent transponder), stop, take a breath, and go to the basics. Is the connection secure? Is the box secure? Is the connection to the antenna corroded? Can you make it fail by jiggling the case? If none of the above, then pull the box and have it bench checked.
Tossing new components at problems will eventually solve them, but it will be unnecessarily costly.
Nice airplane, though, and watch what you do with those brakes. Be smooth. You don't want to have to go hunting for another prop.
Robin
Robin,
Thank you for your comments.. hopefully someone else will read them and learn... I appreciate you taking the time to watch and comment. Its guys like you that can really help everyone learn!
The second you said AV-30's I winced. I'm surprised your unit didn't give you any trouble. I bought two for my GlaStar and have serious regrets. Both the AI and DG are unreliable and glitchy. Congrats on the plane and thanks for fixing it up correctly and not skimping on maintenance!!!
I will second your assessment on the AV-30s. I will be using one as a back up once the panel is complete. Thanks for watching!
Had one fail on me in IMC, failed just like a vacuum driven one lol.
my buddy , a fellow Vet, and I had a Grumman Tiger...my buddy informs me he lost his medical and would no longer be paying the bills with me- that weekend, Im flying VFR at about 9 pm at 3500 ft over Belton lake, just west of KTPL and i hear this sudden thumping...and vibration from the engine...i asked the kid ( non pilot) who was sitting next to me " you know how to swim?" his face goes seriously white and says "i think so"...why?" I said if this motor comes apart were going in the lake...i pulled power back to the least roughness and notified approach i was going to try and make runway 33, 7 miles or so......made it...engine threw a rod....20 thousand dollars to fix it....welcome to aviation
You got off easy .... my 53 cost me 50K in the first 3 years another 7K for the next 2 ... now a new battery .... I'm happy as a clam when I fly it ...
I think I got it. If it needs a jug, run away, aviate another day with perhaps the next 180 you can get a pre-buy on. Sage advice
Very True!
You have to make fast decisions. Know your stuff and be ready to pull the trigger.
I did the same thing years ago on a Cessna 170. Really got burned. I won 100% back in court. Got a 172 and we’ve been enjoying life. Glad it’s working out man.
First, it's a wonderful looking 180. Second, it's great to hear an honest assessment of aircraft ownership. A good rule of thumb with any luxury item is how will you react to a $5,000 repair bill. They happen. My first annual was about $5,000 and all the old parts fit in a Ziplock sandwich bag! Stuff needs attention and labor is a big part of it. Good luck and good flying!
Jonathon,
Thank you for your kind words. Happy and safe flying to you as well!
Actually, I'd go a little further, like; how much if I hadda' buy a new constant speed propeller for this, or, how much would a bolt on overhauled engine cost for this thing....
If you're comfortable with that, flying is for you :-)
Hey I trained in that same 175 at Latitude in Coeur d' Alene. I also bought a 180 last year that was a basket case, so I feel your pain!
Greg, Thanks for watching! It looks like you are still flying around in Idaho. It was amazing training out there. I hope to get back out there next spring.
@@villagewealthmanagement Let me know if you do, I'll show you a few amazing spots to go to. I live in the Coeur d' Alene area so I'm always bouncing around the backcountry.
@@greglance3675 For sure! I think I might have spoken to you on the phone about aircraft insurance? If so I hope your elk season was successful!
Unfortunately, the average age of the Cessna fleet in the US is really old, way past the age that was designed for. If I have to buy a used airplane, I would rather buy a newer but used Vans experimental because the problems of corrosion and age are mostly non event. Of course, have seen this video, I would have a complete prebuy. Thanks for sharing.
Looking to get a plane in the not-to-distant future, and this scenario is about on par with what I'm mentally preparing myself for.
Jstieger2228
Good luck with your purchase! I am sure you will find it to be a great adventure! The pain of regret (not buying an airplane) is way more painful than parting with a few dollars!
Good honest video. Yes Prebuys are very important. They help you know the risks and possibly save money. Glad it wasn’t too bad.
Thank you for watching!
Had a 180 for years big tip lean over look down side of cowling will notice tail coming around lot quicker then just looking out the windshield
I will try that tip the next time I am out. Thanks for sharing!
If ever I was thinking of purchasing my own aircraft you have just talked me out of it.😁
Well is wasn't meant to scare you off.... Thanks for watching!
@@villagewealthmanagement all good you didn't I was already put off as I was told that to buy an aircraft you need an endless money pit if your not making money from it.
Sure enjoyed your video, thanks for sharing your experience!
Great reveal. Thank you for sharing your journey!
Stephen
Thank you for watching!
Welcome to aviation, good story. First annual on my 1980 R182 was over $17k. Gorgeous airplane.
very interesting enjoy listening to you I have always wanted to buy a 180 and was always curious as to much expenses,Iam an aircraft mechanic so i could do alot of the work but as you said the price of the parts.Maybe some time I may have the oppurtunity to set some goals like you said.i have alot of tail wheel time including the 180 /185.I see you having fun and getting more and more expieienced.:)
Thanks for your kind words! You being a mechanic is a huge benefit! Good Luck!
I think the title is right on the money pre buy all log books a familiar with type A&P for the inspection and so on and so on
Yes sir! and a lot of patience goes a long ways! Thanks for watching!
You should have bought a cheap taildragger like a Champ or 140 to get your PPL in. Far fewer things to go wrong, and the ones that do go wrong are a lot less expensive to fix than on a larger, more complex plane. Then when you have figured out how to fly, move it down the road and buy whatever plane suits your long term goals.
True! Thanks for watching!
Wow!! Guess I should have had a pre buy on my old work car!! Lol
Love the videos, keep em coming 👍
LOL!
These airplanes are old. Most have been modified with no indications in the log. You can expect similar scenarios from almost any airplane of this vintage. It’s very difficult to find all of this out before hand. Welcome to the club!!
Mike,
Yes that's what I am finding! Thank you for watching!
@@villagewealthmanagement good luck with your project . Went through that with two 170Bs
Way to power through. Aircraft, I've owned several of them, the good news is that usually it's nothing money can't take care of. I tell people I spend most my money on aviation, the rest I just waste.
It not a problem if money can solve it! Thanks for watching!
FYI: pre buys are NO garentee, it's not the same as an annual inspection. The best you can hope for is to get your money back on the prebuy if you have an experience like this. Even an annual does not catch everything. The faa teaches the a and p you are inspecting the plane for that day. Things break, that's just life. You probably would have had the same proplems either with a pre buy or not. A mechanic can't find everything wrong on the plane.
Jane,
Thank you for commenting.. I appreciate your feedback. Thanks for watching!
"You'd better be careful" Be careful that you aren't lacking a very large sum of money to spend on a toy. That's the most significant takeaway from anyone who has owned an aircraft.
LOL Thanks for watching!
Very brave person!
It’s like a boat (B.O.A.T.) (Bust Out Another Thousand). The second happiest day is the day you bought it. The happiest is the day you cash the check from the sale. And a lot of “Long story short”, followed by several thousand $ expenses. The moral of the story is: “Should’a bought a Bonanza”.
Awesome informative video. Well done sir. May God bless your aviation adventures.
Michael, Thank you for your feedback! Much appreciated.
Thanks for the video! Looking forward to the video where you talk about the cost.
Thanks for watching! I will be posting a avionics upgrade video soon.
thanks for your honest review and story! really enjoyed listening to it!
Clayton,
Thanks for watching!
Here's another caution; NEVER buy a Canadian airplane; many times the log books for omit major repairs. I speak from experience.
Good to know! Thanks for watching!
@@villagewealthmanagement It pays to careful no matter the country, a Canadian I know bought a C-185 in Texas and it had wings from a different year/ model aircraft so was illegal in Canada. Plane went back to Texas
Congratulations on your new airplane! A 180 sounds like a fun airplane.
Thanks for watching!
I swear in all the photos shown you're wearing the same outfit as you are sitting there. :D Great vid thanks for sharing.
LOL My wife pointed that out to me as well! It is my favorite shirt! Thanks for watching!
hopefully you are getting close to sorted and will have a great airplane.
Mike,
I think I am seeing the light at the end of the tunnel! Thanks for watching!
Talk about throwing caution to the wind! Diving into aviation head first buying a tail wheel plane with a failing engine and flying it home yourself
$800 Prebuys are overrated. They won't go boroscope your intended plane. Just more obvious external issues are catch. In the end, you'll need luck. Those planes where made with 15 years/5000k hours of useful life in mind, not 30 much less, 60! Anything above 30 is pushing ... it belongs to museums, as an engineering point of perception. When big things like wing spar AD florish, the fleet is already beyond project, needing hugely aberration expensive bandaids, IMO.
Aircraft looks very familiar. Ever flown into the Cincinnati area? Specifically I67?
No I haven't maybe the previous owner? Thanks for watching!
My Dear Sir: you would do very well addressing the National Association of Psychiatric Mind Benders at their annual convention for the sake of explaining just how you avoided
I'm building my crate....slowly forever.
I am about to order a pair of AV-30C for my 1957 172. There are stories about precession in DG mode. Are yours OK ?
Dave
Check out my avionics video. Yes they process! Thanks for watching!
I think you mean you needed the same Model Number propeller. Not serial number? Yes, interested in wing strut information.
David I will contact you with the info. Thanks for watching!
Great video, sounds like you have my kind of luck....
I like how you ended the video. Gives me some hope. I’m in the late stages of buying an airplane who’s prebuy inspection was done by the current aircraft mechanic shop. Because I’m buying it in a remote area I could not get an independent prebuy. So, who knows what I’m getting myself into, thankfully it’s a Cherokee 180 and not included in the recent Spar AD. Oh I plan to go out and check out the logbooks myself like you did and also scan it to a shop back home for their assessment. They just did an oil change or during the pre-buy and said there’s no contaminants, But I am thinking about having them repeat that oil change after I test fly just so that I know and verify myself visually that it has been done. Does that sound unreasonable?
Benny,
Sometimes you have to go with your gut.... just have some reserve to cushion the "what ifs" I will be doing another video soon on the actual numbers. Spoiler.... I bought the plane right so I could eat some of the unexpected costs. Good luck with your purchase. Flying is a blast! I am sure you will find your overall experience to be very life enriching!
You can easily fly someone to the plane to look at it no matter how remote. It is just the cost of knowing what you are buying. At least that way you know how much you will pay before the plane's problems become 100% your problem, and you can renegotiate the price as things pop up. To help pay for the cost of flying someone out there.
@@kwittnebel I called several Shops out there looking for someone who would do just that but everyone insisted the plane must be brought to their shop So they would have all the tools to do a proper prebuy
@@reyesben Honestly there is no way I would buy a Cherokee like that. I used a guy named Sean out of Michigan 734.516.9939. The plane I bought was OK but the next three he looked at were all lemons that failed in one way or another. He is and ATP and an AP. I paid him to fly the plane out to me also. Not cheap, but I knew what the issues were when it arrived on my doorstep and that I would be able to jump straight into it and go rather than lose the plane to repairs for several months. Anyway Sean is a great guy. Cost you some cash, but it's the devil you know vs the one you don't. Good luck either way.
@@kwittnebel thank you sir. I know you’re right. I need to find a way to get someone to meet me at the plane. I can fly it home if it passes the mustard.
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This training will save you the Embarrassment and expense of a ground loop.
Leigh,
I have been watching your videos... very impressive. I am definitely interested in connecting with you. I am currently putting in a new panel and I will be working on obtaining my IFR.
What part of MI? I’m in MI and have a Husky.
Dan,
I am based out of Monroe MI KTTF. I would love to catch up with you!
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
I’m sorry man. I did almost exactly the same thing. Cost me almost $30k. Airplanes are expensive.
Indecisive. That is my middle name....
Tailing loops happen in fly fishing so…still flying.
Aww, dude, you did fine.
Thanks for watching!
Buy a new plane mate, A Tecnam
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You paid a premium for scrap. Did you check ADs before making an offer? This story is one disaster after another, and I would have to question the authenticity of the logs.
I once had the money to buy an airplane, but I spent some of it on women, some of it on booze and entertainment, and I just wasted the rest.
LOL! Thanks for watching!
$5800 insurance doesn’t seem bad to me
Everything is more expensive in Alaska! I will be up in the Brooks Range for sheep and grizzly in 23 days! Thanks for watching!
if I buy a plane, I am gonna make the seller test fly the plane personally. I will actually pay for the expense for us to go Cross-Country! And if he hesitates, I will consider that a REd Flag!
Good idea! Thanks for watching!
@@villagewealthmanagement through your personal suffering during this lengthy and costly process, we have gained invaluable wisdom and learned of how sophisticated and complex such an acquisition might be! But, I guess life was never cut and dry to start with! Your story is proof of that! Thanks for sharing such wisdom of this elusive industry with us!
Airspeed and money is what you need to fly…😂
You should work on your narration.
Every time you say “long story short”, it’s time to open the wallet :)
LOL very true! Thanks for watching!
Very informative, but you might want to slow down your talk, it would make it easier to follow what you are saying. Thank you
Thanks for the feedback.
A AV 30 is the wrong instrument for a DG replacement, as you know now.
Sorry I think you are going about this all wrong. 150 hrs and you buy a 180? Your'e ok with 5800. buck per year? Wow
Yes the AV 30 was the wrong instrument. Hopefully someone else will learn form my mistakes! Thanks for watching!
WHY IS THIS RICH GUY NOT BUYING A CIRRUS LIKE EVEY OTHER RICH GUY UNDER 35 ????????????????????????????
LOL! Thanks for watching!
Interesting story but you should work on your video/narrator skills ;)
LOL! I will work on it! Thanks for watching!
"...I SEEN the airplane..." "INsurance..." who speaks like this...? And the guy's a financial planner...beyond irksome, really.
The owner of this air plane bought a piece of junk.Next time do the planning.8/24/2021
Frank,
Thanks for watching!
That was painful to listen too! Could have been 1/10th of the time!
Thanks for watching!
Long story short, dude got hosed
Lots of strangeness here ha ha
Long story short....
The cost of a pre buy is probably less than 2-3 days of your time and a 25 hour drive... not seeing logic there.
Buy an airplane? hahaha! The biggest mistake you'll ever make in your life. Good luck. No intention of being rude, but airplane ownership is ideal for those where money is abundant and plentiful. Just when you think you are in the clear, you get hit in the gut again. And again.
Thanks for watching!
Welcome to airplane ownership ! You better get ready for all those things that come up, because they will 😀