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Here's the thing: There was no split. The Zelda of Skyward Sword had awakened as Hylia, a Goddess, and at the end of the game repairs the inconsistencies to the timeline when she, Link, and Groose return to the present. OOT Zelda did not have such awareness and so could not do the same.
Good theory :)
I have my rationalisations too but you gotta search the comments for that
dont agree, with the rules that nintendo follows of a multiverse structure this wouldnt make sense in so many ways.
Do you mean that Demise comes back through the Master Sword?
Just curious, how can you defeat a creature that has conquered time itself?
@@drwily but time travel works in different ways across the timeline.
I think the Theory is really interesting. I thought of it too.
So what if Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom are taking place after Skyward Sword…but in the Timeline where Link killed Demise in the Past.
So we know the original Timeline came from the outcome that Demise was crushed by the Statue of the Goddess by the Triforce thanks to Links wish. And because Link and Zelda traveled back to their future and took the Rest Demise with them in the Master Sword, the curse still happened to the Blood of the Goddess and the Spirit of the Hero.
But the events of Ganondorf, the Divine Beasts and Calamity Ganon still could happen because in the Past where Demise was destroyed he still spoke the Curse on Link and Zelda and still would probably also reincarnate in this Timeline along with Ganondorf. So because BotW and ToTK taking place 10.000+ years in the future..the events of the timeline still could happen but in a another way because things changed and so the Rito could coexist alongside the Zora usw and because we don’t know what exactly happened in the past…it is possible that characters like Ruto could have a big role in the Past.
And Ganondorf could come back time and time again and later being sealed under Hyrule in this timeline.
I think you know what I mean xD
So I believe that fourth timeline is indeed the timeline we’re Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom taking place.
the only thing wrong with your statement is the end of skyward sword splitting time the ending of the game already debunks it however if the imprisoned escaped that would split time as it leads to an alternate ending this then leads to a game over to restart the fight but that ending is still there
I had seen a theory where after Link kills Demise the demon king reforms in the imprisoned state and is slowly dying. This is supported by the presence of Elder Impa being present with the jewelry Zelda left her, implying that Demises death led to the present events and brings the distant past closer to the present by keeping it within Impa's lifetime.
However if this theory is false then what happens in the time that Link kills Demise and leaves. Demise had specifically tied his curse to Link's soul and Zelda's bloodline and it had fallowed them back through the gate of time. This leaves a timeline where Demises curse is formed but unfulfilled, the Master Sword is never forged, the Tri-force remains in Skyloft, and an unknown amount of time occurs before the Hylian people return to the surface.
impa is wearing a necklace made of time shift stones so she may have extended her life span and fi states that all traces of demises power are gone after link destroys demise with the triforce so the curse was brought back to the future with link
You don't think the other demon kings are caused by Demise's curse? Bellum and Malladus are after Ganondorf is killed in Wind Waker.
Hey, they could even be underlings to demise. Perhaps Demise is the “High King of Demons” whereas bellum and malladus are still demon kings, but not on the same power level.
Though the curse thing can still apply, and demise never stated that there had to only be ONE incarnation at a time, maybe malladus was a backup and bellum was the incarnation after ganondorf “dies” in WW
Could be but never confirmed or denied
@@pubertdefrog I'm sure there just reincarnated forms of his hatred the curse or warning in Japanese basically says that there will always a evil to appear to both those who share the blood of the goddess and the spirit of the hero so despise everyone wanting him to come back be killed thus ending the "curse" wouldn't work because another evil will just show up and attack hyrule there's no ending there can never be light without darkness.
Didn't Aomuna say in an interview that there are "several Demon Kings across the world"? That would explain Malladus sharing the title of "King" in the Land of the Lokomos and having no ties to Demise that we know of.
@@drwily What Happened To Zelda??? How Did She Survive From INSIDE Demise
This is why time travel is always a huge pain in the butt. If Breath of the Wild is considering all past Zeldas as myth, then it sounds like it's considering all past Zeldas have all happened, meaning Breath of the Wild is the point where all time line splits converge. Considering just how crazy time travel can get, and how far back one person can go, it is possible that a person could experience all three major deviations.
As far as how many other timelines could exist (or arguably should exist), it doesn't really matter. I mean, Nintendo could always choose a point and explore a split from there, and maybe more games should, because as wacky as it might sound, it gives you themes and chains you can explore. It's not about how may timelines there could be, it's about focusing on the one we're telling the story in right now. The three that split from OoT are the three that matter.
Okay, some issues with this:
While the time travel in SS is similar to the one in OoT during the game, it differs from the time travel done at the end of OoT.
To explain, at the end of OoT, when the timeline does split, it's because Link is sent all the way back, before he first grabbed the Master Sword, before ge first traveled through time, and prevents everything from happening. That means that in the child timeline split, that Link may have the memories of everything that happened, but none of it beyond that point happened. I believe it is specified somewhere that he was sent back to before he even met Zelda, which would mean that the only things from that game which happened are his exploits in the Kokiri Forest prior to leaving. He met Navi, got the Kokiri Sword, defeated Gohma, got the Kokiri Emerald, and the Deku Tree died. But that's it. He never went to Lon Lon Ranch, he never went to Kakariko, Death Mountain, Zora's Domain. Presumably some of the major events there like saving Ruto would have happened other ways given what we know of the future of that timeline, but the events as they played out in OoT did not happen. Even if we go to the latest option, he would have to have been sent back to before Ganondorf chased Zelda out of the castle when Link got the Ocarina after getting all of the Spiritual Stones.
But the other time travel in the game, as well as in SS, is... Well, a bit more confusing. Sometimes we are changing the future, creating various offshoots of the timelines. We get the seed for the tree of life, take it to the past, plant it, and now it exists fully grown in the future, letting us take fruit from it so we can bring it to the past elsewhere to prevent Lanayru dying, giving us 3 timelines. No tree, dead Lanayru. Tree, dead Lanayru. Tree, living Lanayru. But it also has us fulfilling time loops, mini paradoxes where we see something in the future and have to go to the past to make sure it happens. SS only does the first, at least that we can confirm, while OoT does both. But it gets worse. In OoT, it seems that we return to the very point in time we left, time not passing, as though we never left. But in SS, time continues to flow while we are gone. When we go back to save Zelda and kill Demise, we return to see Groose and Impa watching and waiting to see if we would succeed.
It is not the same as the timeline split in OoT. In that one, we change time so drastically that we can see several years later and it's different. But in SS, when we return after killing Demise... Nothing has changed. We changed time and went back to the future, but nothing was different. And yet, as stated before, just planting a seed gave us a tree that was not there before. That means that if we had changed the future, we would see it. That does not mean the timeline did not change, just that we do not see the changes.
So no, there is no massive timeline split. It is possible for the loop theory some give, but it has flaws. There is the explanation of Zelda using her goddess powers to resolve the issue, but there's no evidence she has the power to do that, even as the reincarnation of Hylia, she's still not a goddess at the time.
As for the curse, it was on Link and Zelda, so them going through time does not change things.
If Demise was eradicated as The Imprisoned, he cannot come back. The Demise sealed in the sword could, in theory, until we get evidence the sword finished the job, but The Imprisoned was stated to be destroyed. So the parts of the theory surrounding that are just stretches and grasping at straws.
If Demise is godly, as stated in this video among other theories, then the Triforce would not work for him. It is directly stated it would not work for any gods. There is no debating that. The only debate on the topic is whether the solution was that he was not godly, not a deity, or he didn't know he couldn't use the Triforce. And no, there is no defense of "he just wanted to destroy it" as we are told he wanted to use the Triforce. Either his goal was futile as he couldn't even use it, or he is not a god. That's that.
Overall, this theory... Well, it's kind of all over the place, with some points of the video having nothing to do with the main theory, but even the main theory is just grasping at straws and making stretches and assumptions that don't work.
If you want semantics, then yes, there's an infinite number of timelines with small deviations. But if we're focusing on major differences for the timelines, things that actually matter and could split off into more games, then we can't have every single death be a new timeline or anything like that. We have to focus on major things. Things like Ganondorf almost having the Triforce.
Link is sent back to just before he pulled the master sword, meaning he already obtained all 3 sacred stones to open the door of time.
The only thing I didn't get was how the Imprisoned could even exist if Demise had already been defeated. You bring up a good point with all the time corrections happening - essentially real-time dragonbreaks. So my new theory is that if the Master Sword in OoT is a "ship that can sail time's river," then the time gates are bridges over the flow of time. The gates are open on both sides, so the change is internally consistent. I'm not sure if the time shift stones are exactly like that, but they seem at least similar, being a 3.5D game mechanic, like 4D but only binary options on that 4th plane. So if the gates are like a binary timeshift but more stable, that's brain-bending but resolves the timeline split because it's an active dragonbreak.
You have won the comments section good sir
impa's bracelet proves that the entire time travel scenario leads to link's time the tree does not exist until link plants it because if it did exist before link plants it then it would never have been planted and therefor would be a paradox so then if link needs to plant it to get the fruit that is not a paradox
I've always believed there's more to the 'downfall timeline' split than just 'Link got a game over'. If a game over splits the timeline then every new game generates thousands or millions of new timelines.
The Zelda of Ocarina of Time is also the Zelda that would have witnessed the Imprisoning War. This Zelda was willing to break time in two just so that Link could have a childhood; it stands to reason that if this same Zelda had witnessed far worse---the downfall timeline--that she would have tried to change it.
And we know that Zelda in Ocarina of Time received premonitions about the future in the form of dreams.
The Downfall Timeline was an act of divine intervention by the Goddesses who WANTED the timeline to exist to represent Din the Goddess of _Power_ and the mortal wielder of her Triforce piece Ganondorf. Like the Adult Timeline represents Nayru and _Wisdom_ and the Chile Timeline represents Farore and _Courage_ so does the Downfall represent Din and Power.
The timeline will never be forgotten
Funny thing is I actually want to get recording equipment to answer every possible timeline split as well as defending the Downfall Timeline. Basically it fell down to Ocarina had all the right conditions to lead to the Downfall Timeline. Most potential alternate timelines just lead to death, destruction, and darkness. Not really worth creating games out of, thus not really worth mentioning. There are a few that would be interesting.
BotW and ToTK are more of a singularity or convergence then being a timelime.
Likely, if Demise ran into the Triforce, he would be unable to use it for the same reasons Hylia couldn't use it as a god, so he too may have to become a mortal, forming Ganondorf in the process.
yeah but in many ways this doesnt make sense with the intro of the game, where its clear he wants to use it, and lets say he cant, than he can still destroy it
Idk zelda even said the goddesses themselves made it so goddesses couldn't use the triforce nothing about demons being unable to.
@@drwily I'm sure if Demise realized he couldn't use it in his original form, he might find becoming a mortal (aka becoming Ganondorf for our purposes) would probably be worth it to gain the power of the Triforce. That is, assuming he thinks logically, which may be giving him more credit than he's due. Still, SS Demise did strike me as being pretty intelligent, unlike BotW Malice-Ganon.
@@drwily If Demise were to destroy it the entire Zelda universe would collapse as seen with Lorule in A Link between Worlds forcing the Goddesses to recreate the world and kickstart the timeline all over again... come to think of it... ¿Maybe this happened in the Era of the Wild and it's why Breath of the Wild doesn't have a specific place in one of the 3 timelines?
@@drwily if nintendo did a what if timeline first time not Canon that be a shock have to what and see.
Well apparently The Legend of Zelda now has its timeline renewed, with a new Lore, a new story and the same familiar characters always being Link, Zelda and Ganon. It is quite possible that BOTW, AOC and TOTK take place in a separate timeline from the original that began in Skyward Sword where the Golden Goddesses and the Goddess Hylia existed, but perhaps Demise never existed and in fact the first evil to exist was Ganondorf and becoming the Demon King since he doesn't seem to want to hunt down Hylia's bloodline and the Hero's spirit and yes Ganondorf is just thirsty for power and is evil from birth. In TOTK Ganon is eradicated from existence completely bringing Hyrule lasting peace, but there is another timeline that Ganondorf is very much alive, the Age of Calamity Timeline
I’m actually in favor of the Altered Downfall theory I saw somewhere that the downfall is not an universe where Link died because that spirals into infinite potential multiverses as mentioned, but as a time remnant of the fragment of the child timeline, since Zelda sends link back not Seven years at the end of OoT to the Child Past he had been sending forward in time as he traveled between the two, but straight to the beginning of the child timeline from the game, orphaning the fragment of the past that Link had already travelled through between Ganon’s arrival and the other developments in the past of OoT as a separate timeline where the hero vanishes, leaving the plot structure intact for what the Downfall timeline usually entails, usually where it feeds into Link to the Past and all that.
It might be interesting to think that BotW and TotK are from the Past Timeline since the Tri-Force is considered lost in these game since no one seen it.
Both time lines have the Master Sword and only one shows the Tri-Force throughout it history. So if Link Defeat Demise in the past with the Master Sword, there was no need for the Tri-Force power to be used so it quite possible that this Artifact was lost in time and how they had to use the Tears in a timeline that the Tri-Force was never used.
Plus this Ganondorf looks has more of a Demise look, similiar sword and he looks like he more of a Swordsman then Sorcerer, plus the time gap is probably closer to the gap of Skyward sword and pre Skywards sword then OoT. That game he was a skilled wizard but could handle a weapon were this Ganondorf feel like a Swords master, Similar to Demise
Every time theres a timeline split there is time travel. Its not about every choice makes a split so much as every time the fabric of time is meddled with, it branches. If this is the case, then there should be a 3rd timeline split with oracle of ages? Link goes to the distant past and back to the present constantly
My theory is that everything before ToTK and BoTW are just misremembered legends. One issue ToTK brought us about SS, if the Zonai were as powerful as Ganondorf implied they should have been capable of destroying Demise on their own.
So I feel like there is a misconception with the fallen hero timeline. I don’t think thats when adult link fights ganon and dies but rather when young link attemps to fight Ganondorf after seeing young Zelda flee the castle but ganondorf shoots an energy blast at Link which in other terms Link is defeated after challenging Ganondorf but is not dead. After that Link proceeds to grab the master sword then travel to the future so look at the time splits in OOT. The adult Link is sent back in time after defeating Ganon but this time he changes the future by stopping ganondorf early making the events of the future not to happen making a split for the young and adult era. But if you pay close attention the fallen hero era changes too. When Link gets sent back in time it wasn’t through the master sword so the young era is when young Link didn’t pick up the master sword and Zelda didn’t flee from the castle, Link was never blasted by Ganondorf and they put a stop to Ganondorf before anything happened. Making the fallen era timeline a time were the last person who saw Link was Ganondorf after he blasted Link when Link tried to challenge him therefore defeating Link and then causing Link to go and grab the master sword which then causes young Link to disappear from the timeline just like adult link disappeared after being sent back in time making it so there wasn’t a Link in those moments of travel in the fallen and adult era. No Link when Ganondorf takes over and No Link after Ganon is sealed away.
Thank you for covering this, I kept telling my nephew that I think there a timeline split for Skyward Sword as well
Well I whole heartedly believe in this as well
I think that Gods can't use the Tri force. That's why hylia had to reincarnate into a human and use Link to inact her plans. Otherwise the war at the beginning of time would have been over real quieck.
Skyward Sword is a closed loop, not a timeline split, the ending and begining of the game makes this abundantly clear. Now, if you want to really explore a split in Skyward Sword, that would be the game over cutscene where the imprisoned reaches the Sealed Temple. Demise returns early, and Link does not have the Master Sword to stop him, and thus, the end of the world as we know it ensues.
Now this is something I do not agree with, it is not a closed loop, otherwise oot would have been as well. This is just a cheap cop out that can be used when nintendos stories dont make sense. You can not create a multiverse structure and than when it doesnt suit you, throw it out of the window and claim closed loop. Tbh honest good time travel stories are rare and the best example imo would be back to the future, even though that isnt perfect either.
Also this is a theory speculation video, so i can easily speculate about this being its own split that nintendo ignored, we both know that when it comes to nintendo cannon it is incredibly wishy washy and changed constantly with the amount of contradictions and retcons being insane at times.
@@drwily It is a closed loop. From the begining of the game, Impa has the bracelet Zelda gives her at the end after Demise was sealed away and the master sword placed on the pedestal.
At the end of the game, the statue of the goddess and the Triforce that Link found and sent down during the events of the game is on the surface after The Imprisoned was annihilated, as well as the Master Sword that was placed in the past which contained the sealed essence of Demise.
No timeline split is created. If it did, one timeline would have Demise sealed in the sword and therefore the isle of the goddess would have no need to descend along with the Triforce, and the other would have the Goddess Statue on the surface, but no Master Sword. But instead, both these destructions of the imprisoned in the present and demise in the past have happened, in an endless time-loop.
@@ZeldaLore but if Demise was sealed inside the master sword in the past, how come the whole "the imprisoned" thing came to be? Ghirahim took the imprisoned, added Zelda's force, thereby turned the imprisoned into Demise. Demise is later defeated by Link, so there is no imprisoned anymore in the distant past. Zelda would have no need to slumber in the crystal and keep the seal on the imprisoned, if the imprisoned / Demise has been destroyed in the distant past, no?
@@kataki15 answer: Nintendo messed up when writting a time-loop story, since it gets intensely complicated and many paradoxes can happen if you are not careful, such as this case.
The only real solution to this problem is to have Demise escape the sword before the events of the present (which was a real possibility, it's the reason Impa watched over the Master Sword to ensure he does not break out), and then sealed by Impa in the sealed grounds as the Imprisoned using the Sealing Spike (which was absent in the past)
I've never been this early! ❤ But I've always wondered about it because you go back in time in skyward
That does sound something interesting to say that important info
And THIS is a perfect setting for BotW and TotK to fit into a timeline. It's this 4th timeline where split happends at the beginning of time. This would explain perfectly how come there is different hyrule founded by goat people.
Remember TotK cutscene, where Zelda tells Rauru about finding ganondorf's body in her own time? Rauru says this to her: "Remember, that was the future in which you were never born into this world, but now, you are here".
I call that BotW Timeline is continuation of the "past" from Skyward Sword, where SS Zelda was never born and Demise was killed with master sword. In that past, Zonai came down from heavens and since it's soooo far in the future from other games, we can call upon physics and math laws that basically state "Given enough time, everything is a possiblity and everything will happen at some point". So in this 4th timeline it's possible that all previous games happened in some alternated versions, there just has to be enough time for every eventuality.
This would also explain how there is NO MASTER SWORD when ganondorf first appears in that hyrule. This would explain absence of Triforce in BotW and TotK and how it's replaced by tears, that could as well be pieces of triforce in that world. It would explain why you can find goddess sword in TotK (the sword from SS before it becomes master sword). The only thing left as a mystery is - how the master sword came to be in that timeline and why is there Fi in it.
I also like the "Dragonbreak" theory that uses real life physics theories to explain that TotK basically merges all timelines together the moment that Zelda is sent back to distant past in TotK intro. It kinda scratches Einstein relativity theory
Good to see u collabin
I feel like TOTK's past is the key to and what happens in this hidden timeline.
Let me explain.
In past TOTK events, no Sonau is in the skies, yet that is one of the focal points of the game and where their technology is.
The main timeline happens following the wishes of the triforce, bringing it to earth and making it endure in history.
In BOTW the islands and the triforce never came down (barely mentioned) because evil was sealed in the sword rather than the triforce.
A seal was much weaker than a wish to disappear, the sonau who remained on earth (became sheika) must create the divine beasts to protect themselves from it
The only problem, TOTK's past seems to be before Skyward sword. "The Goddess Hylia gathered the Triforce and the remaining survivors onto a piece of earth and sent it skyward beyond the clouds."
And in the flashbacks of the past, the celestial islands have not yet risen to the skies. So there would have been a ganondorf before Denise and the celestial islands?
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In totk's past (and in his end-game form) ganondorf looks like he's transforming from denise. and if the seal of Rauru was not enough (because the evil has always woken up regularly in BOTW) denise was able to reform including the events of Skyword sword.
and was awakened when the blade where he was scene was broken at the beginning of TOTK
So the timeline would do:
Passed from TOTK.
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skyward sword
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Wishes Denise
Destruction sealed
Denise in the sword
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Old Timeline BOTW timeline
Well, it is said that zonai came from the sky, then, it is possible that the zonai are advanced versions of the people on skyloft (such as the korok and kokiri), because in the skyward sword's past, the islands never fell off the sky, so maybe we can fit the TOTK past there
@@TheDarkendemion That's what I thought at first, but the problem is that the islands are not yet in the sky in the flashbacks
@@TheDarkendemion very interesting stuff. Hope more good willed discussions like this continue. ❤❤ great things will come of it I believe.❤❤
@@MrYaroph then, where does rauru came from?
I know, Nintendo states that the downfall timeline is the result of Link being defeated in his fight against Ganon, but I don't hold to that idea. It would mean, there is a downfall timeline created in every game, every single time Link faces the final boss. Also, the lore of LttP states that Ganondorf managed to find a way to get into the sacred realm, not he followed the hero into the sacred realm.
This indicates that the Downfall Timeline is the result of Ganondorf having been completely unopposed in his machinations, Zelda and Link having never stepped up to stop him. Zelda didn't have her prophetic visions of the evil comming from the desert and the hope coming from the forest; Link didn't have his nightmares of being nearly trampled by Ganondorf's horse, therefor she had no reason to distrust Ganondorf. Link may have been sent by Great Deku on his quest, maybe, but he would not have gotten far since Zelda would not have had any reason to trust and help him, after he illegally broke into the palace. Maybe Link fought in the Imprissioning War, which happened after Ganondorf entered the sacred realm and was turned into Gannon.
At the end of the downfall timeline, Zelda and Link wished upon the Triforce to protect Hyrule from evil, it would be within the power (and possibly in the nature) of the Triforce to sent the visions to the Zelda of before Ganondorf found his way into the Sacred Realm, just in time to enable the hero to rise and be victorious. The downfall timeline is the true timeline, the unadulterated timeline. The adult timeline and child timeline are the result of temporal manipulations as a result of the wish placed upon the Triforce.
Therefor, we can completely dismiss any further theories about a quadrillion alternate timelines being created every time the Hero stubs his toe or falls into a puddle. Skyward Sword creates two timelines, not four.
There is one timeline, the unadulterated timeline, in which Demise is sealed, during his imprisonment transforms into the Imprisioned One, breaks free a couple of times and is destoyed; There is another timeline, the altered timeline, in which Demise is sealed, almost immediately freed and then defeated. The only uncertainty that keeps it open for debate and theorising is wether Demise's curse followed Link and Zelda into the original timeline or remained in the altered timeline where the curse was spoken. The answer to this will determine which of the two timelines the rest of the timeline follows from, freeing the other timeline up for completely new adventures, in which the evils that plague the lands have nothing to do with Demise's curse, can take place a timeline where there never has been and never will be a Ganondorf and Ganon.
the thing is according to the entire timeline a link to the past is on all the events of ocarina of time do not happen on that timeline a link to the past's manual states that there was no temple of light in the sacred realm to protect the triforce ganon claims the full triforce when he touches it proving his heart balanced oracle and a link between worlds follows this telling of events
my theory is totk in the timeline is before botw and they are years before skyward sword....that's why the goddess chose to put hyrule in the sky because she had done it before.... also in skyword sword they spoke about a hero who fought the demon king. my guess is tears of the kingdom is in the very start of the zelda timeline....the reason why there might not be technology in other games is because they got wiped out during the war during the skyward sword
I just always pictured Bowser tucking in one of his spawn reading a bedtime story. As we know he is an unreliable narrator.
Finally a video about this… YAY!
Finally, someone brought this up. Ive been mentioning this possible break for years.
I think that the major difference between the two is in the master sword... we see Link use it OoT to travel back in time without making a mess. It's only until Zelda send Link back before he got the master sword that the timeline went askew. The Master Sword is quite literally the most powerful thing in existence outside of the Triforce. The reason Sky was able to was because of the master sword and the gates created to help it channel the power, the Master Sword is timeless which is why it can hurt Demise, it can cut him yesterday, today and tomorrow. But I might just be talking crazy.
I've been thinking about this ever since I played Skyward Sword
well i get why, because according to oot logic it should make a split
@@drwily actually no according to ocarina of time time travel logic links time travel in skyward sword shouldn't split time because in ocarina of time link only split time when he went to the past which he only does once and that's at the end of the game skyward sword link on the other hand never went to the past as impa went to the future before link time travels
I try not to work too hard on Skyward Sword theories, as I hate that game most in the series, and when we stacked in the concept of the Downfall Timeline, which I just don't like because Gdorf is never easier in the series than Ocarina, and since I've never lost that fight, that means every encounter with Ganon COULD have Downfall option, I just about bounces. My apologies. As for the SS split, I would say it simply happens because Link brought Akuma, and his curse, back with him to the present, so a future where Demise was obliterated, and never laid his curse, was negated by the unavoidable necessity of carrying his remnant back, where Link and Zelda are thus still cursed, and Akuma's Satsui Nohado is still leaking out of the Master Sword.
As for a timeline where the curse never happened, maybe it is a thing, and the Goddesses have simply not shown us a story there, because what's to see? One of my personal hatreds of Skyward Sword is how I feel Demise takes away from Ganon being the BBEG of the series. I'm older than Zelda, and remember when Ganon wad just Ganon. He was a pig demon sorcerer, and a Daturday morning cartoon villain. He wasn't humanized; he didn't have vaguely relatable motives to "save his people", or anything, and while I get that time means he needed to develop, Demise sort of says nope. Ganon isn't significant; he's just a consequence of Demise, and likely nor even aware of it. 20+ years of being evil sort of undone by a second rate "first Dark Lord" becoming his origin point; it's almost as silly as assuming Gdorf might've bested Link in OoT, when there's no reason to believe it. Still, as is, without Akuma starting everything up, we'd have no story. Maybe some underling Femon Princes would crop up, like Vaati, or Mallidus, but them there'd be no Link to fight them, so not much to see, and as Link Between Worlds shows, if you try to circumvent the system, the very world that depends on it stops working, like the series missing a crucial piece.
Personally, I like that Breath of the Wild is a bottleneck for the timelines, and puts them all back together. I'd still get more out of it if that meant more references to those other games, and not just the other one new enough that current young fans might have played it, and get the references, but something that actually builds off of the whole series, and not just one previous game, or path. Tears of the Kingdom still scares me; in addition to maybe being Skyward Sword with a BotW skin, or bringing back Hylia, and Demise, in a way that changes it forever, because Shigi is getting older, and some folks might want the series to end before he does, I don't know how the new mechanics will work, or if it will totally make pointless literally every thing we did in Breath of the Wild, but I'm still really excited! It's Zelda, and it's been my favorite series since the 80s, when it wasn't even a series, yet.😊 I expect it will be great, even if I might not feel it personally, but I'm still hopeful. Only time will tell.
Downfall Timeline is just divine intervention by the Goddesses to represent each specific piece of the Triforce: Adult is for Nayru and Wisdom, Child is for Farore and Courage and Downfall is for Din and Power. Anything beyond that is pure especulation by the fandom.
What if demise did kill link but Impa destroyed the gate of time before the demise could use it, that would explain a lot do about breath of the wild and tears of the Kingdom. and link and Zelda was reincarnated without even needing to kill demise.
And somebody else defeated, demise and cause demise to have to create a reincarnation cycle for himself.
the way I see the whole, "well, since link dying here made a split, shouldn't all of his deaths?", I see it as, yes, theoretically, there ARE infinite timelines, but the main ones we see here are the only ones that end up combining to make botw and totk. why the timelines converged? no idea, perhaps because of the events of totk? Also explaining why you can find items from all different timelines in botw and totk, and why people know of these "myths" or "legends" even though they took place in different timelines
"Time travel.. It's a cornucopia of disturbing concepts." - Will Friedel as Ron Stoppable
The most confusing part is how Skyloft became Hyrule in 1 timeline and the incarnation of malice curse that is Ganon exists in the other, but both exist in the same timeline throughout the rest of the series.
The only logical conclusion is that Link, Zelda, and (most notably) the master sword brought the curse with them back to the Hyrule timeline. Leaving the other (past) timeline devoid of both a hero and villain thus no plots for games to happen.
This gets even more complicated when you get to A Link to between Worlds and the existence of a Link (Ravio), Zelda (Hilda) and Ganondorf (Yuga) in a seperate dimension implying Demise's Curse to have also affected an alternate dimension at the SAME TIME. ¿Is Demise's Curse so powerful that it can affect ALL of Creation including parallel dimensions? The Goddesses sure messed up by creating the Demon Tribe.
After playing TOTK for a while, and seeing the forests underground., I'm starting to believe the games are less of a timeliness and more a braided rope of strands making a "time-line " where while there are "downfall" elements- but other "versions" of events keep the overall theme positive as they interconnect in one after the other ways, but some events seem to be more "indirect influence" on other parts like they are separate strands but tightly wound together. When you add the "links awakening" effect that from the dreams of a creature can be "created" whole villages with their own hisory that outsiders can interact with and possibly leave without ever knowing the village was a dream..... in TOTK when I visited the shrine of resurrection and saw what was left of a notable shieka tech site, a friend played the ballad of the windfish from his playlist... in TOTK I have yet to find any shieka shrine or tech remnant - even in places id expect to see them. The devastation upon the land is still present, but nothing showing the shieka tech link save a few tech made by current shieka based on the old missing tech... I think this is telling us more about how the games link together as this is a very direct sequel to BOTW. You add in the "non cannon games" as a side "strand" to the braid of time... you see its a LOT more then three timeliness- pressing into how the land changes before they too dissappear like crucial elements of LA and BOTW. guess this is what happens when a goddess of time becomes mortal, but doesn't give up her powerset.
This is not an actual timeline split and has been debunked. Both Demise's defeats happened (in the same "timeline") and both were equally important. Defeating himn the the past didn't actually destroy him, as we see his essence survived. This is why Zelda (who had sealed herself to maintain Demise's seal) hadn't been freed at that point in time. And we see "Sealed Zelda" all throughout the game (including the beginning), meaning this event always happened. Old Lady Impa also possesses Zelda's bracelet throughout the game (also including the beginning), meaning the event of Zelda giving Impa her bracelet always happened. It's basically just timeloop. No paradoxes, no changes, all events always happened, and it became a stable time loop. Same thing with Hero of Time Link learning the Song of Storms. The only real contradictions are the Life Tree and Master Sword. I would argue though, these were invisible to Zelda and Link as to make sure they went back in time to help with their "creations" and to avoid paradoxes as if they encountered them in the Present before travelling back in time, this would destroy the need to plant the Life Tree or leave the Master Sword behind thus creating a paradox. This similarly happens in OoT with planting the magic beans. Their growth doesn't appear 7 years in the future until Link plants them in the past, even though theoretically they should already be there. TL;DR time travel rules to prevent a paradox from occurring (like how in theory you shouldn't be able to go back in time and kill an ancestor because that would erase you from existence, but if you are erased, you wouldn't be able to travel in the past to kill your ancestor to begin with).
Also for the DF Timeline, isn't ever actually stated that Link dies, only that he was defeated. And we know one doesn't need to die to lose their Triforce piece. Ie. Wind Waker where Ganon beats Link to a pulp and as able to extract his Triforce piece from him (and Zelda who was knocked out). The Hero of Time in the DF Timeline could have been defeated similarly, but saved when Zelda (or spared) and the rest of the sages sealed Ganon anyways. Also, calling it a "Timeline" is a misnomer. It's not actually a timeline, it's an alternate universe ie. it wasn't created through Time Travel shenanigans, it's merely the result of Hero of Time Link losing to Ganondorf in their final battle which rippled into entirely different events.
Heres my thought, since demise put the curse on link in the past, the imprisioned is the first reincarnation of demise. Meaning that demise thinks this is a new link and zelda since they are currently in the present at the start of the game. So he keeps trying to reincarnate. And since link put the master sword in the present it means there is no paradox of the goddess sword and master sword in different places at the same time.
A bit convoluted for the Imprisoned One to be a reincarnation of Demise instead of just the same being given Ganondorf's existence for the same purpose of "replacing" Demise after his death at the end of Skyward Sword. It's safe to assume that when Link came to the future his battles with the Imprisoned One simply didn't happen and the timeline simply "changed" to accomodate Demise's Seal underneath the Master Sword.
So happy to see Zeltik here ❤❤
For my Money, i believe that the "Downfall" Timeline, or any other Split coming from Link "dying" do not exist? Why? Because i believe that the Triforce of Courage resets Time whenever Link fails his Task, and sends him to do it again, and again, and again until he succeeds
The Downfall Timeline exists because the Golden Goddesses needed it to exist to represent Din and the Triforce of Power. Since the Adult Timeline was created to represent Nayru and Child to represent Farore so does the Downfall represent Din.
could be
There are two forms of time travel: those that happen in writ history and those that don't. Some examples for clarity:
Guru-Guru teaches adult Link the Song of Storms. Link sends his consciousness back to his child body and teaches the Song of Storms to Guru-Guru, who will later teach it to Link. This is a part of the universal happening, because it happened. It's self-referential and also existent. There could be many more cycles like this that didn't happen in the official happenings of history. Anju could have given Link a bamboo egg laid by her samurai Cucco Monjiro. Later, you go back and give her the egg which will soon hatch into Monjiro. This is also a loop, but it doesn't happen in history so it never happens. Either they will exist or they won't, and for each circumstance you can't change it's status of happening.
This does *not* cause timelines to split.
Conversely, Terrako makes a timeline split because what it didn't doesn't happen in the base chronology. There was no Terrako running around in BotW's past, so as soon as Terrako entered the past, he ventured in a new timeline where AoC happens. He can somehow access the future of his original timeline (where BotW happens) because he extracts the Champion successors to save the Champions. Nonetheless, Terrako didn't appear from a portal before BotW, so Terrako appearing makes a new version of reality where it does.
This *does* cause timeline splits.
If that makes sense.
Seems to me there's one other split that doesn't seem to get talked about. Which happens first: Oracle of Ages or Oracle of Seasons? Seems to me there's a clear split in which events happen first (and I'm pretty sure Ages has time travel that can create even more splits, and double that based on whether they happen first or Seasons happens first), though the end result is just as likely two timelines that are both the original Zelda followed by Zelda II, so basically it splits and reconverges except it's still two separate timelines, just similar events in both. Or would it?
Edit: It just occurred to me there's yet another split: The 2nd quest in the original Legend of Zelda. Presumably the first quest is the canon quest, but the 2nd quest is pretty much the same events done differently. So now there's 4 time lines:
Ages > Seasons > 1st Quest
Ages > Seasons > 2nd Quest
Seasons > Ages > 1st Quest
Seasons > Ages > 2nd Quest
According to the channel @Zelda Lore the events of Oracle of Ages happen first due to many events in the game been directly referenced in Oracle of Seasons compared to visceversa where nothing in Seasons is referenced in Ages after beating the former. The only way this "split" you speak of could exist is if Nintendo confirmed the lack of a canon order for the 2 Oracle games. Since that isn't the case the only conclusion is that one of the 2 canonically happened before the other.
So I have an interesting theory. There was a very recent interview with developers including aounuma about the story of totk. He mentioned something about having to do with the imprisoning war. The imprisoning war is something that was mentioned in the text from link to the past. According to link to the past the imprisoning war has to do with the events of ocarina of time. More specifically I think it pertains to the events of the downfall version of ocarina of time. It is the event where seven sages after a long war seal ganon into the dark world. Is it possible that the two latest zelda games are situated In the downfall timeline. Maybe breath of the wild is a very distant sequel to the original zelda and zelda 2?
The "Imprisioning War" mentioned by Aonuma is probably referring to a new Imprisioning War taking place in the Era of the Wild. This new Ganondorf got sealed underneath the "spirit arm" after a new Imprisioning War independent of the one from A Link to the Past.
Could you source/link that interview? I’m very interested in reading it.
a link to the past does not state that it is connected to ocarina of time if you compare the events described in a link to the past's manual to ocarina of time it becomes perfectly clear that ocarina of time does not take place before a link to the past in any way
The downfall timeline isn't "link dies" but "the hero is defeated".
In this case, it's because you need to return at least once to finish the game, and the future timeline where you did stuff in the past after taking the mastersword is the timeline where link is defeated.
We know from the next games that you don't defeat twinrova, which makes sense, since it's one of the last temples people have to do in the adult timeline.
i'm surprised that zelda 2 doesn't have a timeline split because the game over screen results in the return of ganon (unlike the other timeline splits)
the problem with the "dark timelines" is that every "game over" in every game could split off in their own timelines.
Ya now this is where botw could be placed if you know the weird background for totk
The timeline paradoxes in SS will continue to break my brain. 😂
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Did Zelda go back in time in TotK or did she just chilled in the skies for thousands of years because the latter would have made another Zelda paradox
I always assumed that the Downfall timeliness was the one where Link defeats Demise in the past.
How does the present demise even sealed if he was killed in the past? The fact that Impa is the same in the past and present, with the present one (the old woman) remember and having done all the things in the distant past makes the events of skyward sword linear, without alternative lines. But that makes that problem, how was the imprisoned even a thing if demise was already killed, and the past imprisoned therefore killed too (it is demise)?
There is no split here. The killing of Demise at the end of the game was always in the past, evidenced by the bracelet Elder Impa is wearing the first time you meet her. A bracelet that was given to her younger self only AFTER Link defeated Demise.
Nintendo with botw: were ending timelines!
Also nintendo a few years later with aoc: were splitting the timelines!!!
I don’t think Demise could even use the Triforce if had access to it. Hylia gave up her divine form for that very reason: a God can’t wield the Triforce. And while he may be a demon, Denise is a demon God.
I can’t allow Evil to win! I CAN’T!!
I’d love for you to look at my work on the 7 Timelines theory. Within it: Skyward Sword gives us four timelines, Ocarina of Time adds another, and Majora’s Mask adds one more, with the last one being Terrako’s.
You seem like you understand a little more about time travel than the average person who takes the Timeline as wrote, rather than thinking critically.
Breath of the wild is obviously in the hyrule warriors timeline after that link gets into real estate and builds things from the other timelines he met people from
*T h e t i m e b r e a k*
As ridiculous as that sounds, that theory literally ties almost everything together.
All the nods to past games in different timelines? Doesn’t matter bc they all merged into one timeline from the parallel dimension rift
Id say the timelines merged at a point/event before botw.
Really hope they don't get rid of the timeline
well seems like a bunch of stuff was retconned again
@@drwily That's kinda disappointing
So about the timeline split, I don't think there's actually a version of the time where Girahim didn't went through the gate, because, this thing just happens (in the same way there shouldn't be a Downfall Timeline because Link actually defeats Ganon in every split caused by time travel). HOWEVER, there IS a timeline where Demise is defeated 1000 years ago. Since his curse is tied to the soul of the hero who goes back to the present but never left any sort of spiritual decendance in the distant past, the curse doesn't manifest in this timeline. This timeline where Skyloft is still hanging in the skies but the surface is already free from both Demise and Girahim influence (well Girahim is a bit of a stretch since we're not sure if he ends up sealed in the master sword) could be THE paradise Timeline.
TLDR : there's no timeline split where Girahim doesn't come back but there's a timeline split starting from the alternate distance past where Demise is already defeated.
I like theories...but in reality, having the games be their own thing and not have to fit in a unified timeline always made the most sense to me. Even if the hero and princess are constabtly reincarnating or whatever...why do they always look, dress, and talk the exact same way every time? And how is the Master Sword preserved and kept safe in each timeline for the hero to conveniently find?
It all doesn't really make sense to me if it's supposed to be a single timeline. But if it's just a similar story every time, similar to how Christmas movies about Santa Claus have many similar elements (reindeer, elves, North Pole, presents, etc.) yet differ in many ways, then it makes complete sense. You also don't have to bang your head against the wall to make every little thing fit together.
There is one flaw with that theory, there would have to be games with the adult timeline evil within the Child and fallen hero timeline as well. Maybe if there was a game that sets the adult timeline ahead of the two then it would work to connect the three timelines together
There was one simple fix for tears of the kingdom to make sense.
Demise was the first villan which killed thousands before his rebirth, right? The thousands should have been zonai where the cutscenes in totk where Ganondorf was first sealed by rauru. The main villan in this game should have been demise with Ganondorf as his puppet.
I got so excited the whole time thinking Ganons final form was going to be the spirit of demise or something. Hoping this was the story of them turning demise into the imprisoned. I heard Demon King and screeched at the thought of demise returning... then it was Ganon...
So close....
The split happens because Link takes his curse with him into the current timeline, leaving the past timeline without a curse or demise. The past timeline wouldn't even have a need for the Master Swords creation just leaving the Goddess Sword awaiting to be used in case of great tragedy, which most likely wouldn't ever be as great as the timeline(s) we know.
Yeah I listened to that episode of Book of Mudora, too
The lost timeline is where the cdi and warrior games reside
lmao
if it wasn't for the 10 000year history gap and a random zonai being the founder of hyrule... then tear of the kingdom would of fit perfectly in the downfall timeline, right after oot. it as the imprisoning war after all and fits well since in link to the past ganon gets resurected. the sages we see in tear of the kingdom helping the zonai king and zelda, do look allot like the sages from oot with the exeption of saria turning into a rito... but one looks allot like darunia, one is rauru, the zora is hard to distiguish but it could be Ruto. the only thing is the lighning and wind sages being new and the shadow and forest sages are gone. i also believe that the link we play as is the link that Died and failed in oot. the downfall timeline was the only timeline that we didn't get to see what happened to Ganondorf and it is all displayed in tear of the kingdom. my theory is that when zelda traveled through time in tear of the kingdom she probably told the founders of hyrule about all that has happened in hyrule since OOT, about the sheika and their shrines, giving the ideal to rauru that he should bless his own version of shrines for the hero to conquer, the ancien having knowledge of what is to come in the future probably drasticaly changed the outcome of all of the timelines. with the new shrines established to test the hero the sheikas would not have needed to create their own shrines like in breath of the wild, explaining why they are missing in tear of the kingdom. it also helps explain why the gerudo in tear of the kingdom never became bad, the sheika wouldn't need to have the shadow temple made to imprison the gerudoes in the war since the new timeline gave ganandorf an army of monsters to fight with instead. i still can't figure out all of the finer details that this intails and would like real experts to have a look into it. my biggest question is this; why did nintendo have a 10 000 years +100 years of link being dead? ganondorf was born in the era of oot and i don't think this is a different ganondorf that we see in the newest game, (why would the gerudo name a newborn male that name if history already had a vilain with that name) if the game only had links 100 year death happen as the downfall foundation it would of worked out but that 10 000 year history that the game gives just doesn't add up for me. or was there actually more then 10 000 years seperating oot and link to the past? oh and one more confusion for the road.... Why are the Rito existing in ancient time?
sorry a bit long i know, im just a very confused fan that would love for all of zelda games to coexist with one another proprely, but oocoos, wind tribes, skyloft, twilights, and minish tribes, they're all gone from existance. Yet we got a deku tree that hasn't been cursed by ganondorf and that knows link, we got zoras king who remmembers link from before his 100 year sleep, a statue of darunia in goron city... and impa is there too. how is there so much OOT references yet no triforce for this ganondorf to take or own?
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I have been telling many theorists about this timeline split possibility since BOTW came out cause people were talking about how BOTW has artifacts and stories from all timeline... makes me feel till now I was yelling into a void.......
The OoT downfall timeline isn't a timeline where Link is defeated; it's a timeline where Link never shows up. I think the verbiage around the timeline split got mistranslated at some point. If you apply the same logic to SS, that means we only have 1 extra timeline: one where Link never goes back in time to defeat Demise. Or possibly that's the timeline where the Imprisoned is crushed by the Triforce and there was never a curse
The hyrule historia, encyclopedia and official website say the hero was defeated....so you're wrong unfortunately
@Dd-fb2tj but that's what I'm saying - when the timeline was first announced (2010?), the words were "the hero never arrives." Otherwise, this timeline would branch off in every game.
All I'm saying is that either "is defeated" or "never arrives" is a mistranslation, and "is defeated" creates absolute chaos
nooooo that is the adult timeline, i quote: "In the Decline Timeline, the Hero of Time fails to defeat Ganon at the end of Ocarina of Time, resulting in Ganon taking over Hyrule."
however multiple sources say defeated by ganon, so i will stick to that
I'd love a game that takes place in the Lost Timeline.
A few things:
In OoT, when young Link 1st draws the Master Sword, he does not time-travel to the future. He goes into a coma for 7 years.
He puts the sword in the pedestal to travel back in time, and he draws it again to return to the present. This form of time-travel does NOT create a new timeline.
The windmill man taught Link the song of storms in the present, because he already learned it from Link in the past, BEFORE Link traveled to the past to teach it to him.
It’s a closed loop, not a branching split.
The timeline splits when Zelda herself uses the Ocarina of Time to send Link back in time to before they 1st met.
When he arrives: he de-ages (he’s not adult Link running around in the past), he replaces the young version of himself (there are not 2 Links running around), and he has the Triforce of Courage (despite arriving BEFORE the door to the sacred realm was opened…so the Triforce of Courage left the sacred realm, since there is only 1 Triforce of Courage in TP, & the Triforce of Courage is also still in WW).
SS:
Young Impa travels to the future thru the gate of time at the temple of time in Lanayru.
She does not age. She does not replace future Impa.
Zelda travels to the past thru this gate. Then seals herself in a crystal.
This crystal is visible in the future before she travels to the past.
Travel thru that specific gate does NOT create a new timeline.
Link travels thru the gate of time in Hylia’s sealed temple.
He does not de-age. This seems to suggest time-travel thru this gate also does not create new timelines.
However… the tree of life is not in the future before he travels to the past to plant it.
So either:
Time travel thru this gate does create new timelines, in which case there is a future that Link left that now has no Link, no Master Sword, no tree of life, & a dead Lanayru dragon.
(If this were the case, wouldn’t Link & Zelda at the end travel to a future with the statue still in the sky, since there was no Imprisoned to destroy? Or does the gate of time know to send them back to THEIR timeline?)
Or time-travel thru this gate CHANGES the timeline.
(But again, killing Demise in the past does not seem to change the future, as the statue is still on the surface because it was used to kill the Imprisoned.)
1 major point changes everything.
After killing Demise, Link puts the Master Sword in the pedestal in Hylia’s sealed temple in the PAST.
He returns to the future where the statue was obviously used to kill the Imprisoned… but the Master Sword is where he left it… and playing the game, you can see that the Master Sword was NOT there before he went to the past!
There is only 1 answer to this.
Time is being corrected by the goddess of time, Nayru Herself.
When Link & Zelda returned to the future, Nayru merged the past where Demise was killed with the future where the Imprisoned was killed.
I will say… this does leave the possibility that there could be 2 swords at the end of SS… the Master Sword of the future & the Goddess Sword of the past.
And the depiction of the Picori Blade in the stained glass window of the very next game (Minish Cap) looks very much like the Goddess Sword.
And remember when the Minish 1st came and gave the Picori Blade to the Hero of Men… they came from the sky!
(not from the Minish door that Vaati & Ezlo come thru later. After the events of the Hero of Men, instead of returning to the sky, the Minish split to 4 places: the forest, the town, the mountain, and whatever is on the other side of the Minish Door [Termina? Lorule? World of the Ocean King? Who knows.])
I think BotW is at the end of all 3 timelines, not merging like Elder Scrolls, just correcting.
3 different BotW’s. All seem identical because of how much Nayru has corrected the timelines, but each having the different history of the 3 timelines.
I thought Hylia was the only Godess of time, she created the portals in SS after all; and she also leaves Link the messages talking about watching him from afar at her perch at the edge of time.
@@UnluckySuperstition The 1st Gate of Time is found in the Temple of Time in the Lanyaru region (named after Nayru) where Timeshift stone is mined. And the Oracle of Ages who travels thru time by playing the Harp of Ages is named Nayru (after the Golden Goddess).
Din, Nayru, & Farore created Hylia.
Hylia has some powers from all 3.
For example, when she lifted the land of Skyloft into the sky, she was combining powers she got from Din the Goddess of Land/Earth & Farore the Goddess of Wind.
Nayru may have given time powers to Hylia when Nayru created Hylia, but Nayru is the Golden Goddess of Time, Wisdom, Love, Law, Water, & Ice.
I would theorize that if the lost timeline were to happen then theere could be the existence of one triforce piece. The upside down piece wielded by demise which controls time.
If there's two people to not write my life story one of them would be Morgan Freeman obviously any other would be Zeltik
The problem with downfall timelines in most of the Zelda games is that the world ends in those timelines, and that's very boring.
Ocarina of Time is different because Ganon with the Triforce isn't a completely world-ending event. It's bad, but there are still some interesting stories in it.
Demise may have failed in the main timeline, but if he did win, it would be cataclysmic.
atlease nintendo did confermed that skyward swords set at the beggining
Nintendo has always hated the timeline idea. And only released one because after ocarina of time fans became obsessed with it. The official rational behind the differences between each zelda game prior to them caving was that LoZ was a Legend being told over and over again. It was the same story altered by time and the narrator. It wasnt supposed to have a history linking the games until fans demanded it.
The issue with the extra time split is that there shouldn't be an incarnation of Demise so there shouldn't be any Ganon.
exactly
other than the fact that Demise made that curse in the past and he was sealed in the past.
@@xaoz2362 well the curse in the past only happened if Ghirahim goes to the past. If that was destined to happen Demise wouldn't exist in the present causing a paradox. I mean, if that happened we shouldn't know about him at all.
I'll just say Skyward Sword was probably the most messy game in the franchise with time travel. Usually you have two methods of time travel, destined or fluid (time travel was required for the present to be the way it is, going to the past can actually change the present). The series has always been a bit poor on picking a lane, but Skyward Sword was the worst offender of that.
being a spin off aside, Hyrule Warriors is my connection for the 3 timelines and BOTW.
i mean could be but man it makes the lore an even bigger mess
The biggest mistake is assuming that there's a timeline split at all, or that the Hyrule Historia is accurate today. The background story in the recorded history of each region of Breath of the Wild invalidates the parallel timeline hypothesis. The historical events, figures, items, and races are only possible if there is a single linear timeline. There is actually a way to rationalize a linear timeline which makes the events of Breath of the Wild possible without a magical timeline merge event like in Hyrule Warriors.
The two forms of time travel between the two games are very similar mechanically, to the player. However, lore-wise, how they work to the in-universe characters, they're VERY different. The time travel in Skyward Sword is actual travel, with the time portals acting as fixed tunnels through time that you would physically travel through. The time travel in OoT, however, is more like fucking about with a VHS. When you use the sword pedestal to go forward or back, there's no actual traveling going on, it's more like you're fast-forwarding a film, or rewinding it, always by seven years. The same seven years. Pushed forward or dragged backward at rates far, far faster than time is supposed to be able to flow, over and over and over again. As anyone who's ever messed with physical film in this way can attest, it's not so much a question of *if,* but of *when* the film will snap. Also, of how many pieces it snaps into. So, yeah, nah, there's really no precedent for Skyward Sword's means of time travel, actually breaking time.
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what do you mean? i have been friends with the man since 2016??? we were gonna do a video on his channel about the entire timeline but totk kind of messed that up
Time travel is extremely complicated, hopefully it is done correctly in totk
It's only as complicated as the writers makes it out to be. When the writers have a coherent story with coherent timetravel it becomes as easy as riding a bike.
basically, and it leads to one of the most confusing story elements, i mean this comment section is filled with extreme debate about how it actually works
Guys i have a feeling you're gonna be satisfied once you finish Tears of the Kingdom's storyline...
@@javiervasquez625 I am pretty much done, just doing side quests
Right hear me out, BOTW could be in the very timeline after skyword sword. The reason I believe this is calamity ganon attacks which represents the curse of evil ever coming. Another way I support this is the zonai lived in the sky buy had to be sent down by the goddess to deal with this which they do. But demise is reincarnated as the demon king ganondorf we know now from TOTK(Just look at his demon king form) this theory isn't fully complete or backed up but one in my head which could worked lemme know what you think
I dont know if Demise could even use the Triforce. The goddess couldnt without becoming mortal, so i would think a similar failsafe prevents a true demon like him (though his mortal incarnation, Gannon, could)
seems to be a bit of a plothole since its clearly stated the demise wants the triforce, so maybe it is different for demons
Always found it odd present demise died by a falling island.
i like to think botw is so far in the future that the time like sort of does loop and repeat allowing all three time lines to happen one after the other.
The inability to have the complete Triforce because you are unbalanced is only when getting it from the Sacred Realm.
In OoT, if Ganon kills Link, he takes the Triforce of Courage from Link, then takes the Triforce of Wisdom from Zelda, leading to ALttP, where Ganon has the complete Triforce.
If Demise killed Link, then came thru the gate of time to the future, and the Triforce is just at the top of the statue of Hylia, Demise could absolutely have the complete Triforce.
I know the timeline way too well
Those two downfall timelines with demise is the cdi link games. :p
I've played the leaked Totk and without spoiling anything it has me baffled over how it fits with skyward sword. The Zelda team has masterfully keot certain things vague while still keeping it thematically functional
Fujibayashi set out to focus the story in Skyward sword, also directing botw and totk
Theorizing the timeline is gonna be epic, can't wait for some awesome content
Im of the opinion the reason that Everything before BOTW got relegated to "Myth and Legend" is because its a nuke to the canon and there are now the Classical Canon starting with Skyward Sword, being as it is in Historia and Encyclopedia through to BOTW, and then a new Canon, hereafter called F Canon that starts with Skyward Sword and Continues through BOTW and TOTK.
No none ever talks about the split that age of calamity caused
Just watched DeeBeeGeek finish Skyward Sword and was scratching my head about the timeline split, so I came looking for vids like this one.
about a Month into the future watching this but thinking if Demise is made of Malice, Could it be Ganondorf's Malice from ToTK that created Demise just like it created calamity Ganon?
I see skyward sword time travel as a close loop: demise died before he was defeated with the triforce in the future, but if it is the case the actions that brings to this outcome will never happen...
Is a paradox, and maybe that's why he proclaimed that he conquered time: he dies in the future in the form of the imprisoned, but than he dies even in the past, but only before he died in the future... the final battlefield that demise created looks like a place without time... i don't like time travels because of their paradox but in thia case everything just happend as we saw without diramation like ocarica of time
*TOTK SPOILERS*
Right now I'm leaning on BotW and Totk taking place in the same timeline as all others. A timeline split in SS is very unappealing, unless they are going to go with it as a "prime" timeline relegating everything that can't cleanly fit to myth and legend.
I don't think Demise is the original evil, but rather he is the first incarnation of the calamity, and the strongest. I think the events in the dragon tears take place before, perhaps ages before SS. There are several peices of dialogue that lend to this conclusion.
This creates the scenario that Ganondorf is the actual source of the curse and Demise is simply aware of it, thus it sounds as though he is placing a curse when in reality, he is only letting Link know of it's existence.
This would mean that the curse would persist no matter how Demise was ended, beit eradicated by the triforce or sealed in the Master Sword.
Though, and I'm going into wild specualtion territory, it could be that Demise was, in Totks timeline sealed in the Master Sword. This was what enabled Ganondorf to do such catastrophic damage to it, he reclaimed the essence of Demise, ripping the sword apart in the process. Later, he is unable to damage the sword again in the same way as it had been purified of Demise and stengthened with light. But, again, wild speculation.
There is no timeline split from Skyward sword because there is no timeline that Link loses his fight with Demise.
technically every game creates a time line split
I have three timeline ideas. One for Skywars Sword and two for Ocarina of Time. The one for Skyward sword is that he gets the triforce in the past. The two for Ocarina of time are two sides of the same coin. Link stays in the future and lives that time line. That means that Child Link is now gone.
(I know that this is late but still wanted to voice my ideas. Also, on the very slim chance you decide to do a video on it and mention me. Can you please call me Dawnwinglh?)