Can’t compare to the Turbo 2 as I only have some Turbo 1. While I agree with you on most parts of the video, I’m not sure I rate the turbo as highly compared to these two. I agree about durability and versatility being very strong points, but I enjoy the midsole and comfort more in both the Streakfly and Rebel V2. Maybe if I had the Turbo 2, I’d feel differently. The Rebel, for me, is just a fun, super easy shoe to pick up and run anything in. The streakfly is a wonderful shoe for reps and intervals from my brief experience and if this price stays for general release, I will be using them very regularly. At the end of the day, all 3 are amazing shoes and we are very lucky to live in an era where we have such a vast choice of incredible footwear to choose from. As an aside, I ran a hill session in the Takumi Sen 8 this morning after Tuesday’s session in the streakfly. The underfoot feel is so different. The Sen feels like it gives more roll and assistance with the rods and firmer midsole. The Stteakfly is like having a pogo stick under each foot. Streakfly wins on price and upper comfort though. Outsole grip is insane on both. Durability remains to be seen. Sorry for the essay. 🤣🙃
Firmer midsole of the Sen (and rods in the forefoot) is the biggest difference. For my stride and gait cycle that's even a deal breaker: rebel v2 and streakfly are too flexible and lack of density in the forefoot for their geometry with 6mm of drop. I can see people with high cadences enjoying them more though. Thanks for the great essay, enjoyed reading it as always ;-)
Love your review. Still have my Peg Turbo 2, my all-time favorite shoes. I have yet to try my Rebel v2. I really thought that FuelCell is a modified EVA. I was wrong. Thank you for the info. I'm also looking forward to trying the Nike ZoomX Streakfly once it becomes available here in the US. Cheers to your channel. All the best, Alex.
I on the other hand completely disagree with you. I am a HUGE FAN OF THE REBEL V2’s. They feel like running in pillows yet have great forward propulsion. Upper so compliant feels like SOCKS. Will be my half marathon shoe- the closest to the perfect running shoe.
I’m still not a big fan to be honest. It’s not a racing flat, it’s too soft and mushy for that. No pros are using it for short distance racing which shows to me that it didn’t work as they had planned
@@AlexFilitti I'm with you on that. I've used it for 5-10k love the light weight but not much outside of that. The tri Noosa 14/15 are amazing if you haven't tried them... give it a shot. It's a good combination of lightweight, great rocker geometry, cushion and durability/stability.
Interesting that you find the Rebel 2 and Streakfly Ride so similar. Maybe the Streakfly is a shoe I might consider sometime down the road as I love the Rebel 2. The Turbo Nature is also looking interesting though.
Out of the three the Turbo nature is the one that should be the firmest in the forefoot and that's what the two others have wrong in my opinion (at least for my stride)
Great review. Was waiting for it.. Regarding the fit. The Streekfly midfoot (outsole) is much narrower then the Rebel V2. How does it feel inside the shoe? If you place the insole on each other any difference?
So if I was happy doing longer slower runs in the rebel 2 will the streakfly be okay? The slightly too soft a foam from the rebel meant I got plantir issues, so i'm curious if the streakfly would be a better replacement. I've heard the midfoot shank helps with stability in the midfoot area and prevents too much compression like in the rebel. Thanks for any info.
Yes, Alex. Rebel perhaps are too much ground contact. For me is the potential low point in Fuelcell material. Indeed the energy return and the momentum between zoomX and Fuelcell is very clear for Nike foam. No comparison. The unique shoe that compares is Metaspeed. But there is other story. Peg Turbo is only comparable in terms of ride and rebound with Endorphin Speed, best trainner shoe that I have.
Peg Turbo is for me more comparable with Freedom 4 and Vomero 16. Endorphin Speed is quite a different animal in my opinion but happy to read it feels similar for you! Thanks for your comment, Isidro :-)
The Turbo 2 was a bit squashy at faster paces in the beginning. Over time it got better, i was doing also 200m repeats with it. I had a second pair of Turbo 2 but i sold it :)). Felt that they were missing a gear vs the Zoom Fly 3.
You must have a super powerful toe off phase!! At least that's how I imagine your stride when reading your comment! Thanks a lot for commenting, Silviu
Bought the rebels v2 little while back. As soon as i put them on I know they where not for me. Way too wide and a bit short. The upper was to loose just didn't fit my foot. I do however really enjoy my mach 4's but there more of my long run shoe. Unfortunate about your thoughts on the streakfly..... I was hoping too get a pair for my short distance runs/races & speed workouts. Maybe other suggestions for 5k and 10k shoes?
Great comparison video Alex. 👍 I have the Rebel 2 and have a lovely big hole on one side and the beginning of holes on the other sides. At nearly 600 miles though it isn't affecting the ride or lockdown. If anything, they're even more breathable than before. 🤣
So many direct comparisons by numerous people to the Rebel V2, cements the fact I won't go near that shoe. I still haven't hit 100KM in my Rebel V2, since my posterior tib area aches after every run in the Rebel V2, and I think I have had them since May 2021. Yet my Adios 6 are over 200KM since middle of December 2021. I'm considering trying something similar to the Adios 6 next, like the Mizuno Waverider 25 or maybe the Wave Rebellion. Basically, neutral with stability aspects to reduce the medial/lateral instability.
@@AlexFilitti I picked up a pair of Mizuno Waverider 25. Nice cushion, wave plate provides decent medial/lateral stability. Forefoot has a lot of flexibility, which is rare nowadays. Feels like a great long run shoe. Done 3 treadmill sessions so far, easy, fartlek and another easy with strides.
Hello, I've run a lot in the Streakfly and so far I've found that the midsole has a good durability compared to the competitors. However, I have found some issues with the upper stretching.
Hey Alex...i know that there aren't comparable due to they different stack height and weigt but does the softness of the midsole of the streakflys is quite simalar to the fuelcell of the RC Elite v2 ( like the Revel v2?) 🤔👏👏👍😉🇫🇷
Either the point system doesn’t work or you hate the rebel v2? My only complaint on the rebel v2 is instability. I don’t know if I would label the peg turbo as a durable shoes, since they’re starting to feel like racing flats after 100 miles. But then I weight 205 lb so that can play a role.
That's why shoe reviews are good for description, but each one have his preference. Alex seems didn't like the invincible either, which like the rebel have a very soft midsole and no stability feature ; and the 2 shoes are both highly rated shoes for their ride and midsole.
Good question, Joshua. Can it do that? Yes. Is it the most appropriate shoe? No. Mile paces can work well if you don’t have the need for a rigid push off in your gait cycle and want to work on your ankle/feet strength
I really like your reviews but sometimes they show how different every runner feels for the same type of shoe. I'm a die-hard Pegasus Turbo I fan using mostly long workouts, half marathons and full marathons. The Turbo 2, exactly like the one you have in your hands, is one of the biggest disappointments for me. I live in Brazil, but if I lived near you I would even give you mine as a gift, because we have the same number and mine is practically new. I did several comparative workouts with my turbo I and turbo II believing it was just a bad impression, but no. For me they are two completely different shoes and the Turbo II is a horror. Everything about it for me is different from the turbo I even the energy return. The NB Rebel 2 is a nice shoe to run, very soft and great for training of various types, being for me infinitely superior to the Turbo II, although inferior to the Turbo I. Unfortunately, the new model from Nike StreakFly, has not yet reached the Brasil, but if it compares to the Turbo II, then I don't intend to buy it. But naturally I will be analyzing other evaluations before a final decision.
So odd!! How come there is so much hype around this Turbo??? It was no go for a long run, bottoming out quickly it felt like running on flat rubber. Durability? - so narrow that both uppers have ripped on both sides. No more than 100km clocked. Expensive km. Now, I fall victim of this hype... cause I also can't wait to see the next Turbo. 😄 Especially seeing this Streakfly as a kind of teaser 😉 Anyway, what was this Turbo so good at? Or what speed did you like it most? I suspect I'm not fast enough to extract a fun factor out them 🤷♂️
Not all shoes are the same for all of us. I put more than 700km on each of the several pairs of turbos I had. But yes Next nature turbo will be really a cool thing to see and try :-) Thanks for your comment
@@AlexFilittiwell, yes & no. I'm just curious - what was it best for you? I still think it is good for everyone, I like it and hate it. Better than Pegasus and many other shoes. Yet, it failed to go the distance. So, very soon those shoes took over all the duties. Back then, and even more now (with current trends in mind), I thought that more stack would improve the Turbo. Well let's wait and see. 😎
Can’t compare to the Turbo 2 as I only have some Turbo 1. While I agree with you on most parts of the video, I’m not sure I rate the turbo as highly compared to these two. I agree about durability and versatility being very strong points, but I enjoy the midsole and comfort more in both the Streakfly and Rebel V2. Maybe if I had the Turbo 2, I’d feel differently.
The Rebel, for me, is just a fun, super easy shoe to pick up and run anything in. The streakfly is a wonderful shoe for reps and intervals from my brief experience and if this price stays for general release, I will be using them very regularly.
At the end of the day, all 3 are amazing shoes and we are very lucky to live in an era where we have such a vast choice of incredible footwear to choose from.
As an aside, I ran a hill session in the Takumi Sen 8 this morning after Tuesday’s session in the streakfly. The underfoot feel is so different. The Sen feels like it gives more roll and assistance with the rods and firmer midsole. The Stteakfly is like having a pogo stick under each foot. Streakfly wins on price and upper comfort though. Outsole grip is insane on both. Durability remains to be seen.
Sorry for the essay. 🤣🙃
Firmer midsole of the Sen (and rods in the forefoot) is the biggest difference. For my stride and gait cycle that's even a deal breaker: rebel v2 and streakfly are too flexible and lack of density in the forefoot for their geometry with 6mm of drop. I can see people with high cadences enjoying them more though. Thanks for the great essay, enjoyed reading it as always ;-)
The Peg turbo was one of the best shoes hands down
And so Nike stop making it. Weird.
@@61js ikr it was such a shame
Hopefully the upcoming turbo nature will be a decent successor to that line
Love your review. Still have my Peg Turbo 2, my all-time favorite shoes. I have yet to try my Rebel v2. I really thought that FuelCell is a modified EVA. I was wrong. Thank you for the info. I'm also looking forward to trying the Nike ZoomX Streakfly once it becomes available here in the US. Cheers to your channel. All the best, Alex.
Definitely biased. The Rebel are simply awesome!
Glad to hear they work for you so well! You should enjoy the Streakfly then
Agreed. The Turbo 2 are legendary. You can still find some on StockX
Yes. If you're in the EU, Vinted has them from time to time as well
Why have you even included Rebel in this vid? 😆
Humiliation to rebel!!
Yea, my fav shoe is peg turbo 35! What a delightful shoe! ❤
I on the other hand completely disagree with you. I am a HUGE FAN OF THE REBEL V2’s. They feel like running in pillows yet have great forward propulsion. Upper so compliant feels like SOCKS. Will be my half marathon shoe- the closest to the perfect running shoe.
i agree with you. Rebel v2 perfect shoe for shorter races (3k-5k), and some speed trainings. I have peg turbo 2 and i dont like them...
Big Rebel V2 fan here, but tempted by these...
High chances you'll find a more capable and more durable "version" of the rebels here. The ride is definitely in the same ballpark
@@AlexFilitti tempted... 👍
I love my Peg Turbo 2’s in Volt Green, they are just the best! 🐸 ⚡️
Just got the streakfly, loved the peg…whats your opinion on the streakfly today?
I’m still not a big fan to be honest. It’s not a racing flat, it’s too soft and mushy for that. No pros are using it for short distance racing which shows to me that it didn’t work as they had planned
@@AlexFilitti I'm with you on that. I've used it for 5-10k love the light weight but not much outside of that.
The tri Noosa 14/15 are amazing if you haven't tried them... give it a shot. It's a good combination of lightweight, great rocker geometry, cushion and durability/stability.
Interesting that you find the Rebel 2 and Streakfly Ride so similar. Maybe the Streakfly is a shoe I might consider sometime down the road as I love the Rebel 2. The Turbo Nature is also looking interesting though.
Out of the three the Turbo nature is the one that should be the firmest in the forefoot and that's what the two others have wrong in my opinion (at least for my stride)
Everybody has their own favorite shoes based on the style of running, and feet shape.
I share yourlove for the Peg Turbo, still have two pairs of them. Luckily they are indestructible 😊
Quite indestructible indeed ;-) Thanks for your comment, Sander
Great review. Was waiting for it.. Regarding the fit. The Streekfly midfoot (outsole) is much narrower then the Rebel V2. How does it feel inside the shoe? If you place the insole on each other any difference?
Still haven’t unglued the Streakfly insole. But the Streakfly has less volume overall I would say
So if I was happy doing longer slower runs in the rebel 2 will the streakfly be okay? The slightly too soft a foam from the rebel meant I got plantir issues, so i'm curious if the streakfly would be a better replacement. I've heard the midfoot shank helps with stability in the midfoot area and prevents too much compression like in the rebel. Thanks for any info.
Yes, Alex. Rebel perhaps are too much ground contact. For me is the potential low point in Fuelcell material. Indeed the energy return and the momentum between zoomX and Fuelcell is very clear for Nike foam. No comparison. The unique shoe that compares is Metaspeed. But there is other story. Peg Turbo is only comparable in terms of ride and rebound with Endorphin Speed, best trainner shoe that I have.
To me, ground contact is the main positive about the rebel v2, in fact it's the only reason it's in my rotation.
Peg Turbo is for me more comparable with Freedom 4 and Vomero 16. Endorphin Speed is quite a different animal in my opinion but happy to read it feels similar for you! Thanks for your comment, Isidro :-)
Thank you for your fantastics reviews Alex :-)
The Turbo 2 was a bit squashy at faster paces in the beginning. Over time it got better, i was doing also 200m repeats with it.
I had a second pair of Turbo 2 but i sold it :)). Felt that they were missing a gear vs the Zoom Fly 3.
You must have a super powerful toe off phase!! At least that's how I imagine your stride when reading your comment! Thanks a lot for commenting, Silviu
Bought the rebels v2 little while back. As soon as i put them on I know they where not for me. Way too wide and a bit short. The upper was to loose just didn't fit my foot. I do however really enjoy my mach 4's but there more of my long run shoe. Unfortunate about your thoughts on the streakfly..... I was hoping too get a pair for my short distance runs/races & speed workouts. Maybe other suggestions for 5k and 10k shoes?
Do you know when the Nike Pegasus Turbo nature Will be released? Great channel :)
Thanks Jesper! I think we’re looking at Q4 2022
Great comparison video Alex. 👍 I have the Rebel 2 and have a lovely big hole on one side and the beginning of holes on the other sides. At nearly 600 miles though it isn't affecting the ride or lockdown. If anything, they're even more breathable than before. 🤣
Thanks for the nice comment, Aaron ;-) Many people have that durability issue with the Rebel...
So many direct comparisons by numerous people to the Rebel V2, cements the fact I won't go near that shoe. I still haven't hit 100KM in my Rebel V2, since my posterior tib area aches after every run in the Rebel V2, and I think I have had them since May 2021. Yet my Adios 6 are over 200KM since middle of December 2021. I'm considering trying something similar to the Adios 6 next, like the Mizuno Waverider 25 or maybe the Wave Rebellion. Basically, neutral with stability aspects to reduce the medial/lateral instability.
Two very interesting shoes from Mizuno and two I'd like to try down the road! Let us know if you end up getting them ;-) Cheers Tim
@@AlexFilitti I picked up a pair of Mizuno Waverider 25. Nice cushion, wave plate provides decent medial/lateral stability. Forefoot has a lot of flexibility, which is rare nowadays. Feels like a great long run shoe. Done 3 treadmill sessions so far, easy, fartlek and another easy with strides.
my only concern with this streakfly is the durability of the midsole..
Hello, I've run a lot in the Streakfly and so far I've found that the midsole has a good durability compared to the competitors. However, I have found some issues with the upper stretching.
Hey Alex...i know that there aren't comparable due to they different stack height and weigt but does the softness of the midsole of the streakflys is quite simalar to the fuelcell of the RC Elite v2 ( like the Revel v2?) 🤔👏👏👍😉🇫🇷
Yes! 😉 different bounce (more on the RC) and I suspect the durability will be better on the Streakfly (won’t compress as quickly)
Either the point system doesn’t work or you hate the rebel v2? My only complaint on the rebel v2 is instability. I don’t know if I would label the peg turbo as a durable shoes, since they’re starting to feel like racing flats after 100 miles. But then I weight 205 lb so that can play a role.
I'm not a big fan of the Rebel v2 indeed. And the point system isn't perfect either :-) Thanks for your comment, Iosif
That's why shoe reviews are good for description, but each one have his preference.
Alex seems didn't like the invincible either, which like the rebel have a very soft midsole and no stability feature ; and the 2 shoes are both highly rated shoes for their ride and midsole.
Can the Streakfly handle mile paces as well as half marathon paces/half marathon workouts (4-9 miles at half marathon)?
Good question, Joshua. Can it do that? Yes. Is it the most appropriate shoe? No. Mile paces can work well if you don’t have the need for a rigid push off in your gait cycle and want to work on your ankle/feet strength
@@AlexFilitti got it, thanks!
I really like your reviews but sometimes they show how different every runner feels for the same type of shoe. I'm a die-hard Pegasus Turbo I fan using mostly long workouts, half marathons and full marathons. The Turbo 2, exactly like the one you have in your hands, is one of the biggest disappointments for me. I live in Brazil, but if I lived near you I would even give you mine as a gift, because we have the same number and mine is practically new. I did several comparative workouts with my turbo I and turbo II believing it was just a bad impression, but no. For me they are two completely different shoes and the Turbo II is a horror. Everything about it for me is different from the turbo I even the energy return. The NB Rebel 2 is a nice shoe to run, very soft and great for training of various types, being for me infinitely superior to the Turbo II, although inferior to the Turbo I. Unfortunately, the new model from Nike StreakFly, has not yet reached the Brasil, but if it compares to the Turbo II, then I don't intend to buy it. But naturally I will be analyzing other evaluations before a final decision.
Peg turbo for the win 🥇
So odd!! How come there is so much hype around this Turbo???
It was no go for a long run, bottoming out quickly it felt like running on flat rubber.
Durability? - so narrow that both uppers have ripped on both sides. No more than 100km clocked. Expensive km.
Now, I fall victim of this hype... cause I also can't wait to see the next Turbo. 😄
Especially seeing this Streakfly as a kind of teaser 😉
Anyway, what was this Turbo so good at? Or what speed did you like it most?
I suspect I'm not fast enough to extract a fun factor out them 🤷♂️
Not all shoes are the same for all of us. I put more than 700km on each of the several pairs of turbos I had. But yes Next nature turbo will be really a cool thing to see and try :-) Thanks for your comment
@@AlexFilittiwell, yes & no. I'm just curious - what was it best for you?
I still think it is good for everyone, I like it and hate it. Better than Pegasus and many other shoes. Yet, it failed to go the distance. So, very soon those shoes took over all the duties.
Back then, and even more now (with current trends in mind), I thought that more stack would improve the Turbo.
Well let's wait and see. 😎