This looks fun, now just have to figure out a way to do it as a support so I can pick it without my entire team breaking into dry heaves on the picking screen.
As you already know you pick as a supp and not going to support. What i can suggest is, go pos 4 offlane supp. Tell them u gonna leave them at lv 4 or 5, block their camp and deny as much as u can. Dont harass too much cause you will die and making it harder for pos3 to solo lane. Then go jungle when u are lv4/5 and just go into lane when u had lvl 6 to kill someone at safelane. If you do that, the enemy supp at safelane will leave the lane making your pos 3 safe to last hit and deny.
And everytime ur ulti cd, just bring smoke and ask them to gank with you or u can just go into lane to kill someone as 3 people. Never farm too long in jungle. Get items that can debuff and support rather than glass cannon such as witch blade, because if you die you will just give your gold and exp advantage to your enemy team. All your time jungling will be a waste.
Part of me wants to see if this makes jungle veno reasonable now with that insane jungling speed, though my trauma from veno's doing that before this patch prevents me from accepting this possibility
this is insane lol i altered the build a little bit and played it mid (you get level 3 basically after 2 waves mid and one hard camp), you solo kill anyone on min 4:30 because you have ult + 2orbs, then you build veil + witch blade and solo rosh min 15. This is insane
bro how you can control which units the wards on top of you attack? i see that they're not attacking until you attack, i can't control mines :(, they attack everyone
he talked about it on stream. basically, you use universal unit commands (for me it is Ctrl+Click, check your hotkeys) you can press Ctrl+S and they will all stop attacking. now use Ctrl+A to deny or lasthit. after each summon you need to Ctrl+S, because their default mode is autoattack
This was almost as strong before 7.37, so I'm surprised people didn't catch on sooner. A single bloodthorn, with all his other damage, would deal 55k damage.
That’s crazy. I haven’t watched the video yet but if the thumbnail is accurate it’s insane. I was messing around in demo mode the other day and stole like 2k intelligence as silencer and was still only doing 6kish dps on silenced enemies with the w
Yesterday I came back from a 90% loss probability rate with Veno. Granted it was a turbo game, but once I hit 4 items the Veno do so much damage it win us 2 fights in a row lol
It's like peak Brood but somehow more toxic xD I love it. I love Veno and was good already with either facet, I don't know why they buffed him this much. Ps. I miss Poison Nova.
Wait so is this not a whole bunch of magic damage? Would he not be almost unkillable with some spell life steal or is most of the damage from the wards and wont count?
I've been saying since facets were released that core veno with plague carrier had potential and that it just needed a strong build to be strong. I actually had some success with it with aghs in the previous patch but the damage was just a bit lacking. Seems like that's been solved.
@@mr.random7230 i cant see waga uses control button? keybinds > select all other units has to be used after each summoned ward, that cant be the solution. i also have advanced options, auto attack summoned units on "never". if i have it on " like hero" it also doesnt work. strange
the only way it works for me is enable strg under options for "einheitliche gruppenbefehle". then you just have to press strg + s and this disables summons to attack.
Pretty fun build! Enemy heroes were like "We can take him, I'm full health...." They get close and suddenly after a gale their hp drops in a split second.....
Turn off autoattack for summoned units under advanced options and enable unified unit control (hold down ctrl to control all units at the same time) also under advanced options
the only way it works for me is enable strg under options for "einheitliche gruppenbefehle". then you just have to press strg + s and this disables summons to attack.
if you use "CTRL + any command" it will order all your units to do it the command, work on meepo, illusions, all units, u can assign a key to select other units in config too
the only way it works for me is enable strg under options for "einheitliche gruppenbefehle". then you just have to press strg + s and this disables summons to attack.
Rizpol not only smurfs, but he does so in party q with friends of his who are even higher ranked (and smurfing) who set the game up for him by infinitely stacking camps as kotl Basically he is scammer.😂
As mentioned by Destructos, Veno innate gives him +10% damage per debuff, aghs increases this to 20% and applies it to wards. Veno's kit naturally has 3 debuffs (Q, W, R), Shivas provides an additional 3 (passive attack speed slow, active spell amp, active slow), parasma another 2 (magic res + witch blade), + 3 more from orb of venom, overwhelming blink, and ceremonial robe. Add all these together and once Veno presses all of his buttons, veno and all of his wards are attacking for 220% damage amp, and Veno is walking around with 8-10 wards attached to his body at all times :D
I’m so glad others are finding this. 😂 Veno has always been my favourite, about 6 years of playing hero but honestly this might be the first patch ever where he is actually a menace of a hero. 😂 It’s always fun to watch a fellow Veno enjoyer. Wags is for sure right though, this isn’t staying around. 😂
items on Alt-7 I have questions. Why? and secondly. How? you must have rly big hands. And I thought I was quirky with my Select Courier on Alt-4, jeez Anyway, the people at Valve just seem to not playtest their changes at all anymore. As exemplified by the Skywrath mage episode where they gave new, entirely magic damage based buffs to a hero that used to deal exclusively physical damage with his spells. When we pointed out that the new passives were essentially useless because Sky deals no magic damage, their answer was... To simply change all of Sky's damage to magical, without even adjusting the values to account for the difference in mitigation, which completely changed the way the hero is played and countered. They're changing heroes without even reading their tooltips, these guys do not give a fuck anymore, it's saddening to watch
@@WagaGaming Today he included TTS lanaya; maybe a best off of that? Just a thought. Just a best off the first 30 mins probably would be enough for a vid
i tested this bulid in turbo .. we were 1 n 20 in less than ten min i came back and carried everyone lol and i was supporting tjis build melts everyone even if they have bkb lol
This looks fun, now just have to figure out a way to do it as a support so I can pick it without my entire team breaking into dry heaves on the picking screen.
I play turbo exclusively so it's not gonna be a problem lol
tips no.1 : mute all chat
As you already know you pick as a supp and not going to support. What i can suggest is, go pos 4 offlane supp. Tell them u gonna leave them at lv 4 or 5, block their camp and deny as much as u can. Dont harass too much cause you will die and making it harder for pos3 to solo lane. Then go jungle when u are lv4/5 and just go into lane when u had lvl 6 to kill someone at safelane. If you do that, the enemy supp at safelane will leave the lane making your pos 3 safe to last hit and deny.
And everytime ur ulti cd, just bring smoke and ask them to gank with you or u can just go into lane to kill someone as 3 people. Never farm too long in jungle. Get items that can debuff and support rather than glass cannon such as witch blade, because if you die you will just give your gold and exp advantage to your enemy team. All your time jungling will be a waste.
Part of me wants to see if this makes jungle veno reasonable now with that insane jungling speed, though my trauma from veno's doing that before this patch prevents me from accepting this possibility
Valve saw people wanting agi carries buffed and thought that meant they just wanted a green hero buffed to be a carry.
Is Veno universal now? I haven't played in a while.
@@rafaelmarkos4489 he is and has been for a long time now
@@rafaelmarkos4489 Yes, the snek has ascended to godhood and is now known as the Universal Snek.
Veno is banana yellow, though...
15:11 1hit ancient creep like he got daedalus rapier wtf
rosh dead in 3 sec or smtg
7:50 this is cruel. Do it again!
Veno: Don't mind if I do.
Antimage players.
Imagine getting outfarmed hard as Anti mage against Veno out of all the 'carry' heroes.
this is insane lol i altered the build a little bit and played it mid (you get level 3 basically after 2 waves mid and one hard camp), you solo kill anyone on min 4:30 because you have ult + 2orbs, then you build veil + witch blade and solo rosh min 15. This is insane
I got agh min 9 lol minute 10 7k networth
give replay plz
@@kaito3849 7882576595
Did you go bottle?
@@johnl.38 its a debuff and each stack of debuff provides 20% of base damage with agh
bro how you can control which units the wards on top of you attack? i see that they're not attacking until you attack, i can't control mines :(, they attack everyone
he talked about it on stream. basically, you use universal unit commands (for me it is Ctrl+Click, check your hotkeys)
you can press Ctrl+S and they will all stop attacking. now use Ctrl+A to deny or lasthit.
after each summon you need to Ctrl+S, because their default mode is autoattack
Is that the pirate from like 10 years ago? The guy that did all those shenanigans as sand king. Good to see him back!
This was almost as strong before 7.37, so I'm surprised people didn't catch on sooner. A single bloodthorn, with all his other damage, would deal 55k damage.
Valve not gonna nerf this, they actually want pos 1 magic dealers
That’s crazy. I haven’t watched the video yet but if the thumbnail is accurate it’s insane. I was messing around in demo mode the other day and stole like 2k intelligence as silencer and was still only doing 6kish dps on silenced enemies with the w
13:36 lmao great impersonation there
How to have the wards not attack except when Im attacking someone?
I saw your snake won't auto atk at laning phase, may I ask you how to setting ? Thks🎉
In flames T-shirt goes hard af
o7
Yesterday I came back from a 90% loss probability rate with Veno. Granted it was a turbo game, but once I hit 4 items the Veno do so much damage it win us 2 fights in a row lol
Why/how did AM get stunned at 13:28? Can any pros explain?
When the venom Q spell is dispelled (by AM Manta Style) it stuns
Venomancer's shard, stuns people if venomous gale gets dispelled.
Veno shard means when you purge gale you get stunned.
@@DeeJaaaay ty rtz
@@Colopty ty kuroky
It's like peak Brood but somehow more toxic xD I love it. I love Veno and was good already with either facet, I don't know why they buffed him this much. Ps. I miss Poison Nova.
Wait so is this not a whole bunch of magic damage?
Would he not be almost unkillable with some spell life steal or is most of the damage from the wards and wont count?
Wont count dmg from wards. Its a different entity.
From being a TA main, Waga has turned towards one of her greatest counters.
Always knew to trust in the little snek. Love it!
22:40 bloodthorn pop doing 92k damage, why not?
I wonder if the hit counter from hurricane pike counts as a debuff. Could be nice.
3:50 he suddenly gain 150 mana. Facet?
Arcane boots from hood
honesty it's good to see veno be strong for once
how can you put multiple wards ? i dont get it
How do u make it so that the wards don't auto attack the creeps all the time?
Does anyone know how does he control the wards to attack exactly at the same time and the same creep/unit he does?
He explains at the end of the last venomancer video we uploaded /m
@@WagaGaming Thank you for answering:)!
I've been saying since facets were released that core veno with plague carrier had potential and that it just needed a strong build to be strong. I actually had some success with it with aghs in the previous patch but the damage was just a bit lacking. Seems like that's been solved.
The thing that broke veno is his innate. Not the facet.
How do you control the wards, and choose when they attack?
Control button
keybinds > select all units
@@mr.random7230 i cant see waga uses control button? keybinds > select all other units has to be used after each summoned ward, that cant be the solution. i also have advanced options, auto attack summoned units on "never". if i have it on " like hero" it also doesnt work. strange
the only way it works for me is enable strg under options for "einheitliche gruppenbefehle". then you just have to press strg + s and this disables summons to attack.
13:33 hawk tuah was the first thing I thought, sad you went this path as well 😔🤣
how to make the wards only last hit, instead of auto attacking? Thanks!
i think i spotted this first right when patch went out, but i got only rage about picking it..
i built even more debuffs
Pretty fun build!
Enemy heroes were like "We can take him, I'm full health...."
They get close and suddenly after a gale their hp drops in a split second.....
From the weakest facet to getting charges and now becoming overtuned...
how you control ward in lane?
Turn off autoattack for summoned units under advanced options and enable unified unit control (hold down ctrl to control all units at the same time) also under advanced options
the only way it works for me is enable strg under options for "einheitliche gruppenbefehle". then you just have to press strg + s and this disables summons to attack.
nah, this is legit too op
skadi goes hard on this hero
I love this man, always find fun way to play xD
How does he always see blink range?
How do you have permanent range indicator on a spell or item? Dagger in this case?
alt + right click
Now I have a backup plan when pos1 stolen nice
I like to go gleipnir too cause the new change it is way better in my opinion even though you can reflect it now
2014:
Veno is carry because Agi
2024:
Veno is carry because wards
What bracket do you play in? I’m just curious haha
Immortal /m
My finest creation 🐸
You mean 🥶🐸
What's the console command to always have that range finder around your hero?
DotaLabs settings range indicator
what the fact! Even in bkb the poison still do damage
Does the eye of scadi apply?
Yes
oh no, someone finally found out how broken veno aghs is 🤫
What can do that dmg? Urza with 800 swipe-hits? :D
Jakiro
How does he control those units like that?
Please let my favorite hero finally not be garbage
how do you setup for wards attack?
if you use "CTRL + any command" it will order all your units to do it the command, work on meepo, illusions, all units, u can assign a key to select other units in config too
the only way it works for me is enable strg under options for "einheitliche gruppenbefehle". then you just have to press strg + s and this disables summons to attack.
@wagaGaming did u see Armand Duplantis? :)
Rizpol: take notes, take notes!
datohleong is better than rizpol
Rizpol just plays on herald so....
Rizpol not only smurfs, but he does so in party q with friends of his who are even higher ranked (and smurfing) who set the game up for him by infinitely stacking camps as kotl
Basically he is scammer.😂
JizzPool
13:23 What stunned AM there guys ?
Veno Shard stuns anyone who dispels his Gale
@@xenotyphon Oh okay, ty
The aghs shard stuns if venomous gale is dispelled
How the hell does he make the wards help deny? I see no option for this.
Ah finally, the renaissance of my first and still favorite pick
does the ward got buffed from aura item?
They dont
@@AsterTF thats unfortunate,would be cool if they did
Imagine you eat aghanim and get bloodthorn early or make skadi.
The only hero i've seen anywhere near this broken was invincible bristle. Or huskar when he could attack under ghost scepter. Sniper hohohaha patch.
Theres gyro and there's Finnish gyro.
Just green and better
can someone explain like im 5, how the fuck he is doing so much dmg. longform and tldr versions
Every debuff he applies is 20% increased damage on his right click. 1 Gale, 1 passive, 1 orb of venom is 60% alone
As mentioned by Destructos, Veno innate gives him +10% damage per debuff, aghs increases this to 20% and applies it to wards. Veno's kit naturally has 3 debuffs (Q, W, R), Shivas provides an additional 3 (passive attack speed slow, active spell amp, active slow), parasma another 2 (magic res + witch blade), + 3 more from orb of venom, overwhelming blink, and ceremonial robe.
Add all these together and once Veno presses all of his buttons, veno and all of his wards are attacking for 220% damage amp, and Veno is walking around with 8-10 wards attached to his body at all times :D
@@willleet3817 amazing thank you
@willleet3817 It's 4 debuffs btw, Poison Sting from wards count as a separate debuff.
I’m so glad others are finding this. 😂 Veno has always been my favourite, about 6 years of playing hero but honestly this might be the first patch ever where he is actually a menace of a hero. 😂 It’s always fun to watch a fellow Veno enjoyer.
Wags is for sure right though, this isn’t staying around. 😂
it would be fine if it stacked diminishingly idk why its coded to just flat increase dps
items on Alt-7
I have questions. Why? and secondly. How? you must have rly big hands. And I thought I was quirky with my Select Courier on Alt-4, jeez
Anyway, the people at Valve just seem to not playtest their changes at all anymore. As exemplified by the Skywrath mage episode where they gave new, entirely magic damage based buffs to a hero that used to deal exclusively physical damage with his spells. When we pointed out that the new passives were essentially useless because Sky deals no magic damage, their answer was... To simply change all of Sky's damage to magical, without even adjusting the values to account for the difference in mitigation, which completely changed the way the hero is played and countered.
They're changing heroes without even reading their tooltips, these guys do not give a fuck anymore, it's saddening to watch
What are talking about when did sky do phys damage ever
This is what I’ve been saying dude! Where are the veno games?!
HawkTuahmancer?
Damn mordecai you are fast; I rekon you started words once he texted you after the game? :D
hah i was already in bed when he msgd, i edited it this morning :p /m
@@WagaGaming Today he included TTS lanaya; maybe a best off of that? Just a thought. Just a best off the first 30 mins probably would be enough for a vid
Wow, Somewhere IceFrog is crying right now.
Alright, we're back to square one. Twenty years of balancing thrown into the bin. I love Dota
welcome to the ranked game near you
yeah I played one game against a veno the other day and added it to my ban list
i tested this bulid in turbo .. we were 1 n 20 in less than ten min i came back and carried everyone lol
and i was supporting tjis build melts everyone even if they have bkb lol
Is this after he loses to Sing on this hero when he's on TA or before?
most likely after...
Coming to a pub near you. HS veno that dips carry and eats map lol.
Just bullying antimage
last testings assault cuirass buff
They...can't have play tested this right? At least not with items
They turned the dota clickbaits into a reality
wouldn't bloodthorn be better than parasma?
Pog In Flames shirt
No Blademail on the other team, they deserve to loose.
It doesn't return damage from wards & they can still deal a lot of damage without Veno hitting
Mordecai! The tooltips in this video are missing :|
Yeah sorry, I was in a bit of a rush with this one, they will be in the future vids. /m
Funny balanced bananamancer snek... yepp
Oh hell naw this is so getting patch soon😂
veno carry comeback
Vi la orbe de veneno en un heroe de rango y automáticamente skipie el video
nice shirt!
8 sec rosh...wtf
😂 Antimage can't handle because is no magic, is pure venom.
this farm speed is just wrong
Balanced
this is clearly a staged game , I dare you to say that AM was not an agent.
8 sec. rosh...wtf
waga balding lul
the low dps build ... yes i see
The instance i saw the change i thought this is carry material
Still in beta
why you look like ohnepixel