You tellem Sir Dr Admiral Chris Parry. I salute you! Surely, assuming the French are offended by the name of a ship, before they ever complained about it, is an offence to the French, ourselves and common sense.
It's a distraction all said and done. Raise a bit of anger towards the French who haven't said a word, whilst pushing through their nonsense. Question should be what else are they doing currently behind this non-issue ?
"British ships spent several days tracking down a suspected Russian stealth submarine before concluding the suspicious sonar signature may have actually belonged to a farting whale, a Royal Navy source has told the Sun."
There ought to be an Ajax, Achillies and Agincourt in the hunter-killer fleet. Oh hang on someone decided to reduce them to seven boats. I’d be more angered about shrinking number in the fleet.
They should stop using names associated with a ancient Greece, it was a society based on slavery, Estimated 30 -40 percent slaves, with the erasing and witch hunt in UK slavery its a double standard using these names. Might as well use the Governments own ideology against them!
@@Mark-Haddow France had squat to do with the war that involved Hastings. That was the NORMANS; warrior Viking descendants from the area of northern France that a few generations earlier they'd just rather casually took over while in effect telling the French to like it or lump it.
@@squirepraggerstope3591 Yes, but also the original point was that we wouldn't care even if they were naming ships after battles they'd won. Go ahead, it's old history just a bit of fun
@ The French WON some battles? Well, there y'go. Just shows one can now and then discover some wholly unguessed wee snippets even on The Times YT channel.
After the Blow Joe E.U bashing years, perhaps establishing cordial relations with our nearest neighbour would be a good idea? The French possess a truly independent nuclear deterrent that doesn't rely on a increasingly unstable U.S Federal Gov'.
Very true, not only do they own their missiles (we lease ours) but they are able to service them too (we have to send ours back to the US). And they can use them without first getting permission from Washington.
@ Why would it want to? One in four kids in the UK are growing up in poverty, food banks everywhere you look.. pensioners can't heat their homes and the NHS is collapsing. Britain's no longer a world power. It's time we got to grips with the country we live in as opposed to the one we used to live in 50 years ago.
Sorry, but I live in France, and this is the first I have heard of this "so called" outrage. NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares. There have been several HMS Agincourt already, that last one was a WW1 Battlecruiser. Nobody here cared about that either. If they French did care, they would named their next warship "William of Normandie", the French King that invaded and subjected Britian or any of the battles the French beat the British (like the 7 years war in 1745). I also must question to guests' knowledge of military history when he said Austerlitz was fought against "the Germans". It wasn't, it was fought against the Austrians and the Russians. When you make a mistake like that I question ones credentials as a military expert. By the way, the decision to rename the submarine to HMS Achilles was made by the CONSERVATIVE government (Sunak) not Labour, funny how this gets mentioned now. Its almost as if someone is trying to score political points by this non-issue.
That would be 'William the Conqueror' in Britain. This "expert" is full of political bs, and just spewing wasted words. I have no idea why this is considered "news", because a ship's name is only set when it is finished and put in "commission"...
HMS Agincourt (comissioned 1913) was a dreadnought type battleship, not a battlecruiser. She holds the distinction of mounting more heavy guns (fourteen) and more turrets (seven) than any other dreadnought battleship. Brazil ordered the ship in 1911 as Rio de Janeiro from the British company Armstrong Whitworth. However, the collapse of Brazil's economy and warming in relations with Argentina led to the ship's sale while under construction to the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans renamed her Sultan Osman I, the ship was nearly complete when the First World War broke out. The British government seized her for use by the Royal Navy, together with another Ottoman dreadnought being constructed in Britain. Renamed Agincourt she joined the Grand Fleet in the North Sea. During the war, the ship spent the bulk of her time on patrols and exercises, although she did participate in the Battle of Jutland in 1916. Agincourt was put into reserve in 1919 and sold for scrap in 1922 to meet the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty.
FUN FACT; The battleship "HMS Agincourt" had its name changed during construction. It was formerly known as "Sultan Osman I" That would p155 off the Daily Mail.
Why did this politically-motivated, failure of an Admiral not complain when HMS Ajax was renamed to HMS Agincourt originally? Agincourt wasn't the official name - Ajax has a name that has MUCH more history when connected to naval warfare than nearly most other vessels ever put to sea in the Royal Navy.
Bless, not really needed. The preceding boat in the same class has already been named HMS Agamemnon. After all, why cite Achilles anyway when his C-in-C's been invoked already? Btw, how much do you think the Poppofloppodoppoulosses should pay for the return of the "treasures" re which they were, at the time of Lord Elgin, utterly indifferent? plus which in any case would, had they just been left in situ, have long since been destroyed by Athens' increasingly toxic C20th atmospheric pollution, like much else that still was there.
This doesn't have anything to do with ideology, and certainly not political correctness. They're just signaling closeness to an ally. And maybe they should expect that ally to be less sensitive, that's fine too. Yorktown is a good example.
@Joe-ij6of If it were political correctness, I would 100% be on his side. We can't understand the extent to which this ideology is undermining our sense of purpose in the world. My point is only that the renaming of this ship has to do with old fashioned diplomacy, even if misapplied. There isn't an underlying pseudo-morality about power dynamics, or being sensitive to marginalized people, or any such nonsense.
Here's another reason, rather than the usual blaming the French. Although there have been several ships named HMS Agincourt (and France never seemed bothered by the name before) none of the ships had particularly famous histories. Who remembers the last HMS Agincourt? It was a WWI battlecruiser whose only achievement was NOT getting sunk at Jutland. HMSNZ Achilles sank the German Battleship Graf Spee.
HMS Agincourt (comissioned 1913) was a dreadnought type battleship, not a battlecruiser. She holds the distinction of mounting more heavy guns (fourteen) and more turrets (seven) than any other dreadnought battleship. Brazil ordered the ship in 1911 as Rio de Janeiro from the British company Armstrong Whitworth. However, the collapse of Brazil's economy and warming in relations with Argentina led to the ship's sale while under construction to the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans renamed her Sultan Osman I, the ship was nearly complete when the First World War broke out. The British government seized her for use by the Royal Navy, together with another Ottoman dreadnought being constructed in Britain. Renamed Agincourt she joined the Grand Fleet in the North Sea. During the war, the ship spent the bulk of her time on patrols and exercises, although she did participate in the Battle of Jutland in 1916. Agincourt was put into reserve in 1919 and sold for scrap in 1922 to meet the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty. Regarding your statement about Achilles, I don't know where to begin with how wrong that is! The Admiral Graf Spee fled to Montedevideo harbour following the battle of the River Plate with HMS Exeter (a York class heavy cruiser), HMS Agax (a Leander class light cruiser), and HMNZS Achilles (another Leander class light cruiser built in England). All four vessels were damaged to varying degrees but none were sunk. The Graf Spee was scuttled some days later for reasons still discussed today. Captain Langsdorf thought there was a much larger British fleet waiting for him to leave the harbour then there actually was (a brilliant piece of intelligence work by the British) and he didn't want his entire crew to die. He committed suicide in a hotel a few days after the scuttling. Achilles superbly fought alongside Exeter and Ajax but none of them "sank" her. We should be somewhat grateful for that as Graf Spee had many allied prisoners onbard during the battle who were released during here stay in Montevideo.
Bless.. do you by any disappearingly remote chance mean 'serious' persons like... er... you? If so, then maybe to be consistent you should applaud my own 'seriously' total indifference about whether the French are upset by HMS Agincourt's name or are not.
@@jimthompson9370 Of course he doesn't. It'd be just SO provincial and un-Woke. Bless, he really is entertainment gold. I think it stems from such specimens' desperate need for affirmation from their Woke Cult confreres. It always seems to require public assertion of the irrelevant little stances they consequently adopt.
Thanks Times Radio for an excellent report - I had no idea erasing history was so easy. I've just decided not to name my dog 'Liz Truss', so that should be the last we see of her.
As a Scot I'm bound to point out that Agincourt was an English victory, not a British one. I don't particularly object to the naming, but I find the excuse of not wanting to offend the French an odd one, rather than wanting to be representative of the whole UK.
I don't think the French would be upset with a ship bearing the name Agincourt! After all, they hold an annual medieval fete in Azincourt (french spelling of Agincourt) on the date of the battle and British people are most welcome.
Austerlitz - I’m sure the Germans are not upset about Gare d’Austerlitz - the Battle was fought by the French against the Austrian and Russian Empires not the Germans …. Misinformed Little Englander I suggest.
Yep, that'd presumably be the Hapsburg Austrian Empire and leading GERMAN state of that era, whose ruler was also, until a certain gallic parvenu finally killed it off, holder of the other Germanic Imperial title of "Holy Roman Emperor". Yet never mind. Misinformed little 'citizen of the world'... or at least of the rancid EU, I suggest.
Bit of a nitpick here with unnecessary 'Little Englander' thrown in. OK, so he should have said the Austrians. The point would still stand as the French have cordial relations with their EU partners the Austrians as well. The Italian national anthem boasts that the Austrian eagle has lost its feathers. Although the loss of Sud Tirol hadn't happened when Mameli wrote it, it has the potential to rub salt in that wound every time the Austrians hear it. Diplomatic issue? Potentially a more valid one given how Austria lost it, much more recently than the Battle of Agincourt, and given the subsequent ultimatum given to the population in WW2.
@ Alas, the reality is that in fact the "little Englander" is clearly far better informed than the nitpicking trivial gesturist you're apparently supporting.
This is your Captain speaking “ Now or when you have de/renamed the British Navy vessel pour Champagne West to East on the bow then from South to North while saying “ We implore you mighty ruler’s to grant this… Because they did/have
I can't believe Labour have rewritten all of British history by naming a ship Achilles instead of Agincourt. I assume the admirals are busy with real work instead of sitting at home screaming about a ships name.
How is Agincourt something to be proud of? An English King invades France to grab territory he’s not entitled to. That’s shameful even if the battle was won.
@ Bless, but please don't fash yourself. I assure you I care every last microscopic bit as much about that as I do about the French spitting their dear wee dummies clean out of their cots.
@Mark-Haddow Poor lambs..... and to think I was wasting time not giving a flying proverbial about teeny tiny ruffled gallic feathers when one of our dear fellow British citizens in the bit still tacked onto England's northern edge is undergoing such profound emotional tortures.
Distraction. Distraction. Distraction. . . All the while Pensioners shiver, elderly farmers contemplate suicide to safeguard their families,Trump, starmer, Netanyahu & Putin all commit atrocities and we are expected to agonise over the name of some ship: get a sense of proportion, a grip.
This old man doesn't actually KNOW why the name was changed but he would have you believe he has it on good authority. Listen carefully to how he argues his case.
Not the first time this has happened - In 1975/76 Cunard themselves decided to rename their soon to be launched cruise ship Cunard Conquest - renaming her Cunard Princess - as it would be regularly calling into South American ports (along with its new sister Cunard Countess)- and they didn't want to offend the ever growing number of very rich Colombian and Venezualan passengers who had started cruising with them on their earlier Cunard Adventurer and Cunard Ambassador.
To be honest, of all times, when the Russians are in the Channel, threatened our underwater infrastructure maybe we should be being careful about staying on good terms with the French if we want their help to stop us from being cut off from the internet and European gas.
Totally agree that qualified political candidates are hard to come bye, precisely for the reasons Ben Wallace mentioned. That is a situation full of financial/political risk, and risk to our defense/safety.
What a sad old Gammon he is. I’d be half tempted to name it HMS Mandela just to wind him up the same way he thinks it’s perfectly fine to pointlessly wind up our closest military ally.
Our other closest military ally (the US), has had a tonne of ships named after various battles and leaders from the revolutionary war and 1812. They also have a destroyer named after Churchill. It's possible to acknowledge you used to fight whilst celebrating the friendship today.
The French in me is laughing out loud. The German in me is wondering about what we could call our ships to offend brits (SMS Britannia gets my vote, I'll second SMS Trafalgar). The European in me (oops you are out) is thinking: Achilles, a great European warrior! Sadly, YT doesn't have a ROFL option.
Lord Raglan who fought at Waterloo continued describing the French as ‘the enemy’ even when later they were allies during the Crimean War, which infuriated and confused them .
If any remain to do so, they very likely were fuming already. The 6th Astute Class sub, just one slot ahead of the former Agincourt, had already been named HMS Agamemnon.
To be honest I can see your point however Achillies is a proud naval name Agincourt os more associated with land warfare.HMNZs Achllies fought gallantly at River Plate. However I agree we shouldn't be re writing history it happened we all have to live with the consequences good or bad .We have fought more wars against the French than any other nation after all you win some you lose some move on.
Admiral Chris Perry's reactions to the US naming one of the major British defeats is to downplay the battle suggests a small mindedness on his part whilst accusing others of small minded to change name. It is also a bit rich of an ex Royal Navy officer to shrug off concern of the names of its ship and then complained that the JMSDF naming their Aircraft carrier Kaga the namesake of the IJN that helped defeated the Royal Navy in WW2.
It's pretty obvious that in the main he's just understandably irritated with the absurd, sub-adult Woke Cult and its sad crew's habitual gesturist drivel. Plus, of far greater importance, the navy's traditional prerogative re the naming of its own vessels being so arbitrarily usurped for no valid reason whatsoever. While as one of the RN committee concerned, he also likely sees that latter issue as implied criticism as well.
How about the government annoys the French by calling in the loan they haven’t paid a penny on since 1931, because hundreds of billions would be quite handy.
The government can run the Royal Navy a lot better than Admirals. Why not sack the admirals and save money> Just look at the fantastic job Stamer is doing stopping the boat people.
This dude from warship naming committee thinks admirals should quit because of made up names 😅😅... He thinks only his committee entitled to do the namings . This is what keeps him up at night unlike listeners.
In WW2 the yanks reused names from sunken carriers. So renaming isn't unheard of. 5:29 Don't know who the work experience girl is, but perhaps the problem is that nobody can pronounce _Agincourt?_
Sorry why the name changed? Are we really just assuming it was 'because woke' without a shred of evidence? I would be embarrassed to upload this but I guess the algorithm likes it.
@@paulfrance5059 Was it because of that? Do we know its the Gavin Williamson thing or are we just assuming because someone who wasnt at any of the meetings is assuming thats why
@@UnionJames It is my assumption, hence the question mark, but Williamson is on record in 2020 stating Britain is a much better country than France, Belgium or anyone else, so i can’t count him as a fan of France.
My reaction on hearing this: "What is the Royal Navy actually FOR, if not to offend the bloody French?"
I hope we, The US, does not rename the Yorktown....
@@chrissimpson1183 I suppose it could be called "The Boy George" - after George Bush Jr?
Those subs go really low .. in which case HMS Tony Bliar would suit . Even lower .. HMS Starmer.
Rember the RAF Crusaders!
I know a retired Commander who would say exactly the same thing.
If you want to upset the Frogs - Call it "Mers-El-Kebir"
says it all indeed, about you brits that is
Don't think a lot of people would recognise the name
Britian is just so messed up.
I'm in Scotland. Where's this Britain you claim exists?
@@Mark-Haddow You are in britain
@@Mark-Haddow lol!
Yes, really messed up to get angry about such a non story. Fodder for faux patriotic gammon
Bruh here in France we had a Ship called "Jeanne d'Arc" no british people ever complained
Et en plus premier degré on s'en fout du nom de leurs bateaux
You tellem Sir Dr Admiral Chris Parry.
I salute you!
Surely, assuming the French are offended by the name of a ship, before they ever complained about it, is an offence to the French, ourselves and common sense.
Maybe we shouldn't call divers frog men!
If the ship has not been named yet, they can't have changed it, merely selected a different name 😂
The name isn't set at the ship christening it's set before as explained in this content.
@@Ian-zb3rp the name isn’t set until it is painted on the hull, removing that name and painting another is what’s considered bad luck
It's a distraction all said and done. Raise a bit of anger towards the French who haven't said a word, whilst pushing through their nonsense. Question should be what else are they doing currently behind this non-issue ?
dont over think ryan your brain will prob melt lol
"British ships spent several days tracking down a suspected Russian stealth submarine before concluding the suspicious sonar signature may have actually belonged to a farting whale, a Royal Navy source has told the Sun."
There ought to be an Ajax, Achillies and Agincourt in the hunter-killer fleet. Oh hang on someone decided to reduce them to seven boats. I’d be more angered about shrinking number in the fleet.
No, mostly because Scotland (alongside France) won the Hundred Year's War!
Losers don't get to name the boats 😂
@@Mark-Haddow France lost the last war that matters, the Napoleonic Wars.
They should stop using names associated with a ancient Greece, it was a society based on slavery, Estimated 30 -40 percent slaves, with the erasing and witch hunt in UK slavery its a double standard using these names. Might as well use the Governments own ideology against them!
If the French called a ship the Hastings, we'd probably think that was hilarious.
Eh?
France won the war that involved Hastings. France & Scotland won the war that included Agincourt.
@@Mark-Haddow France had squat to do with the war that involved Hastings. That was the NORMANS; warrior Viking descendants from the area of northern France that a few generations earlier they'd just rather casually took over while in effect telling the French to like it or lump it.
@@squirepraggerstope3591 Yes, but also the original point was that we wouldn't care even if they were naming ships after battles they'd won. Go ahead, it's old history just a bit of fun
@ The French WON some battles? Well, there y'go. Just shows one can now and then discover some wholly unguessed wee snippets even on The Times YT channel.
@ Sure they did, a long long time ago. As a Scot I'd point out they won far fewer after we joined the team - just a coincidence I'm sure.
The should have stuck with boaty mc boat face
That's the RRS David Attenborough
DEI will have Cupid Stunt made captain.
This reminds me of a French work colleague raging that the Brits ‘had to’ use Waterloo as the arrival UK station when the Eurostar service started.
So it does matter then?
@ not at all
@@wanderingstar2717 it clearly mattered to Frenchie. Why deny obvious facts? That makes no sense. 🤷🏿♂️
@ no idea what you are talking about, who's denying anything.
@@wanderingstar2717 - let me know when you work it out.
It apparently was the King who insisted on the change,it’s his navy so that’s that.
Being angry about an as yet unnamed ship is a bit silly.
Have a cup of tea and think about it won't you?
HMS Achilles is a much better name for a Royal Navy warship. She has way more naval battle honour to her name
After the Blow Joe E.U bashing years, perhaps establishing cordial relations with our nearest neighbour would be a good idea? The French possess a truly independent nuclear deterrent that doesn't rely on a increasingly unstable U.S Federal Gov'.
Very true, not only do they own their missiles (we lease ours) but they are able to service them too (we have to send ours back to the US). And they can use them without first getting permission from Washington.
Britain did have its own.like France. Still could
@ Why would it want to? One in four kids in the UK are growing up in poverty, food banks everywhere you look.. pensioners can't heat their homes and the NHS is collapsing. Britain's no longer a world power. It's time we got to grips with the country we live in as opposed to the one we used to live in 50 years ago.
Also they possess the biggest white flag and reverse gear factories in the world.
@@Tayplayzz Nah, the Brits do a much better job of that.
Daddy, what did you do in the Culture War of 2025 ?….
Best comment!
Sorry, but I live in France, and this is the first I have heard of this "so called" outrage. NEWSFLASH: Nobody cares.
There have been several HMS Agincourt already, that last one was a WW1 Battlecruiser. Nobody here cared about that either. If they French did care, they would named their next warship "William of Normandie", the French King that invaded and subjected Britian or any of the battles the French beat the British (like the 7 years war in 1745).
I also must question to guests' knowledge of military history when he said Austerlitz was fought against "the Germans". It wasn't, it was fought against the Austrians and the Russians. When you make a mistake like that I question ones credentials as a military expert.
By the way, the decision to rename the submarine to HMS Achilles was made by the CONSERVATIVE government (Sunak) not Labour, funny how this gets mentioned now. Its almost as if someone is trying to score political points by this non-issue.
except the Normans were of Norwegian Viking descent.
That would be 'William the Conqueror' in Britain. This "expert" is full of political bs, and just spewing wasted words. I have no idea why this is considered "news", because a ship's name is only set when it is finished and put in "commission"...
HMS Agincourt (comissioned 1913) was a dreadnought type battleship, not a battlecruiser. She holds the distinction of mounting more heavy guns (fourteen) and more turrets (seven) than any other dreadnought battleship.
Brazil ordered the ship in 1911 as Rio de Janeiro from the British company Armstrong Whitworth. However, the collapse of Brazil's economy and warming in relations with Argentina led to the ship's sale while under construction to the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans renamed her Sultan Osman I, the ship was nearly complete when the First World War broke out. The British government seized her for use by the Royal Navy, together with another Ottoman dreadnought being constructed in Britain.
Renamed Agincourt she joined the Grand Fleet in the North Sea. During the war, the ship spent the bulk of her time on patrols and exercises, although she did participate in the Battle of Jutland in 1916. Agincourt was put into reserve in 1919 and sold for scrap in 1922 to meet the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty.
@@pcread So was Harold. Did you have a point?
So William wasn't a French King, only the Duke of Normandy. 1066 was more about ex-vikings, not the French.
I was worried they'd call it something silly, but Achilles is one of greatest heroes of all time. Couldn't be a better name.
But what's actually wrong with "Agincourt"? Does this name really upset the average Frenchman/woman?
@@markc4305he wants it to be called that precisely because it will annoy them by the sound of it. What a child he is.
FUN FACT; The battleship "HMS Agincourt" had its name changed during construction.
It was formerly known as "Sultan Osman I" That would p155 off the Daily Mail.
And the Gammons all have a melt down... 🤣😂🤣😂.
Leave the country if you have no pride in this country.
racist
@@Culbokie_croft So you think that angry white men are now a distinct ethnic group? If you say so sweetheart, if you say so.... 😂❤
@@Culbokie_croft So you think that angry white men are now a distinct ethnic group? How does that work then? 😂❤
@@Culbokie_croft So you think that angry white men are now a distinct ethnic group? Please explain.
Note to Rear Admiral Parry - declining to troll the French is NOT being woke.
Yeah, he is showing why he never advanced past "Rear" admiral.
@williestyle35 yeah. If we'd renamed it HMS Body positive inclusivity he might have a point.
Why did this politically-motivated, failure of an Admiral not complain when HMS Ajax was renamed to HMS Agincourt originally?
Agincourt wasn't the official name - Ajax has a name that has MUCH more history when connected to naval warfare than nearly most other vessels ever put to sea in the Royal Navy.
Doesn't the new name just remind everyone that the British are holding Greece's treasures in the British Museum?
Bless, not really needed. The preceding boat in the same class has already been named HMS Agamemnon. After all, why cite Achilles anyway when his C-in-C's been invoked already? Btw, how much do you think the Poppofloppodoppoulosses should pay for the return of the "treasures" re which they were, at the time of Lord Elgin, utterly indifferent? plus which in any case would, had they just been left in situ, have long since been destroyed by Athens' increasingly toxic C20th atmospheric pollution, like much else that still was there.
Yeah, Greece didn't exist when the marbles were taken. The UK would legally have to return them to Turkey.
People of European descent need to find a way to get in-group preference back. We’re a very small % of the global population and only are decreasing.
This doesn't have anything to do with ideology, and certainly not political correctness. They're just signaling closeness to an ally. And maybe they should expect that ally to be less sensitive, that's fine too. Yorktown is a good example.
The guy is talking about the ship with all this concern like it doesn’t float, or doesn’t shoot… sad.
@Joe-ij6of If it were political correctness, I would 100% be on his side. We can't understand the extent to which this ideology is undermining our sense of purpose in the world. My point is only that the renaming of this ship has to do with old fashioned diplomacy, even if misapplied. There isn't an underlying pseudo-morality about power dynamics, or being sensitive to marginalized people, or any such nonsense.
Here's another reason, rather than the usual blaming the French. Although there have been several ships named HMS Agincourt (and France never seemed bothered by the name before) none of the ships had particularly famous histories. Who remembers the last HMS Agincourt? It was a WWI battlecruiser whose only achievement was NOT getting sunk at Jutland.
HMSNZ Achilles sank the German Battleship Graf Spee.
HMS Agincourt (comissioned 1913) was a dreadnought type battleship, not a battlecruiser. She holds the distinction of mounting more heavy guns (fourteen) and more turrets (seven) than any other dreadnought battleship.
Brazil ordered the ship in 1911 as Rio de Janeiro from the British company Armstrong Whitworth. However, the collapse of Brazil's economy and warming in relations with Argentina led to the ship's sale while under construction to the Ottoman Empire. The Ottomans renamed her Sultan Osman I, the ship was nearly complete when the First World War broke out. The British government seized her for use by the Royal Navy, together with another Ottoman dreadnought being constructed in Britain.
Renamed Agincourt she joined the Grand Fleet in the North Sea. During the war, the ship spent the bulk of her time on patrols and exercises, although she did participate in the Battle of Jutland in 1916. Agincourt was put into reserve in 1919 and sold for scrap in 1922 to meet the terms of the Washington Naval Treaty.
Regarding your statement about Achilles, I don't know where to begin with how wrong that is! The Admiral Graf Spee fled to Montedevideo harbour following the battle of the River Plate with HMS Exeter (a York class heavy cruiser), HMS Agax (a Leander class light cruiser), and HMNZS Achilles (another Leander class light cruiser built in England). All four vessels were damaged to varying degrees but none were sunk. The Graf Spee was scuttled some days later for reasons still discussed today. Captain Langsdorf thought there was a much larger British fleet waiting for him to leave the harbour then there actually was (a brilliant piece of intelligence work by the British) and he didn't want his entire crew to die. He committed suicide in a hotel a few days after the scuttling.
Achilles superbly fought alongside Exeter and Ajax but none of them "sank" her. We should be somewhat grateful for that as Graf Spee had many allied prisoners onbard during the battle who were released during here stay in Montevideo.
No one serious cares. Those who are upset should be considered as clowns.
Are you British? If so, don’t you have any national pride?
Bless.. do you by any disappearingly remote chance mean 'serious' persons like... er... you?
If so, then maybe to be consistent you should applaud my own 'seriously' total indifference about whether the French are upset by HMS Agincourt's name or are not.
@@squirepraggerstope3591 how was school today?
@@jimthompson9370 not of people so easily offended
@@jimthompson9370 Of course he doesn't. It'd be just SO provincial and un-Woke. Bless, he really is entertainment gold. I think it stems from such specimens' desperate need for affirmation from their Woke Cult confreres. It always seems to require public assertion of the irrelevant little stances they consequently adopt.
Thanks Times Radio for an excellent report - I had no idea erasing history was so easy.
I've just decided not to name my dog 'Liz Truss', so that should be the last we see of her.
This guy is so silly. It has nothing to do with french. If it was other ships and equipment would be getting renamed at the same time.
Name-change seems to have been suggested by HM the King, so this guy is criticising his own sovereign. What's the word for that ? Oh yes - TREASON.
Only in your overactive imagination.
This isn’t news.
Isn't Achilles a really bad name for a navy ship?
Just have to find the weak spot😂
You have to find its Achilles KEEL! 🤣
@@markuk7935 Baddum tsch
No doubt, in a few months time we'll find out that it qas actually the previous government that changed the name. 😂
Funnily,it was,by a decision of the outgoing Sunak govt. ! 😏😏
As a Scot I'm bound to point out that Agincourt was an English victory, not a British one. I don't particularly object to the naming, but I find the excuse of not wanting to offend the French an odd one, rather than wanting to be representative of the whole UK.
I don't think the French would be upset with a ship bearing the name Agincourt! After all, they hold an annual medieval fete in Azincourt (french spelling of Agincourt) on the date of the battle and British people are most welcome.
Austerlitz - I’m sure the Germans are not upset about Gare d’Austerlitz - the Battle was fought by the French against the Austrian and Russian Empires not the Germans …. Misinformed Little Englander I suggest.
Yep, that'd presumably be the Hapsburg Austrian Empire and leading GERMAN state of that era, whose ruler was also, until a certain gallic parvenu finally killed it off, holder of the other Germanic Imperial title of "Holy Roman Emperor". Yet never mind. Misinformed little 'citizen of the world'... or at least of the rancid EU, I suggest.
Exactly!
Bit of a nitpick here with unnecessary 'Little Englander' thrown in. OK, so he should have said the Austrians. The point would still stand as the French have cordial relations with their EU partners the Austrians as well.
The Italian national anthem boasts that the Austrian eagle has lost its feathers. Although the loss of Sud Tirol hadn't happened when Mameli wrote it, it has the potential to rub salt in that wound every time the Austrians hear it. Diplomatic issue? Potentially a more valid one given how Austria lost it, much more recently than the Battle of Agincourt, and given the subsequent ultimatum given to the population in WW2.
Well, a guy so obviously obsessed with history should get his facts right before ranting about it on public radio 😄
@ Alas, the reality is that in fact the "little Englander" is clearly far better informed than the nitpicking trivial gesturist you're apparently supporting.
This is your Captain speaking “ Now or when you have de/renamed the British Navy vessel pour Champagne West to East on the bow then from South to North while saying “ We implore you mighty ruler’s to grant this…
Because they did/have
I can't believe Labour have rewritten all of British history by naming a ship Achilles instead of Agincourt. I assume the admirals are busy with real work instead of sitting at home screaming about a ships name.
Led Zeppelin had a song called Achilles.
Achilles is a name from RN history as well...
The name was decided on under Sunak's government, but don't let facts influence your opinions
How is Agincourt something to be proud of? An English King invades France to grab territory he’s not entitled to. That’s shameful even if the battle was won.
Iirc, he was an 'ANGEVIN' King of England asserting a wholly credible claim his family had inherited from their forebear, Edward III.
The English lost to France & Scotland.
Scotland doesn't want a boat named after losers.
@ Bless, but please don't fash yourself. I assure you I care every last microscopic bit as much about that as I do about the French spitting their dear wee dummies clean out of their cots.
@Mark-Haddow Poor lambs..... and to think I was wasting time not giving a flying proverbial about teeny tiny ruffled gallic feathers when one of our dear fellow British citizens in the bit still tacked onto England's northern edge is undergoing such profound emotional tortures.
It was rightful English territory by birthright
'Tact' and 'diplomacy'... Two words that seem to have disappeared from the world...
Distraction. Distraction. Distraction. . .
All the while Pensioners shiver, elderly farmers contemplate suicide to safeguard their families,Trump, starmer, Netanyahu & Putin all commit atrocities and we are expected to agonise over the name of some ship: get a sense of proportion, a grip.
One wonders how farmers managed to survive before 1984 when IHT was originally removed from farmland. Cry harder, millionaire tax dodgers.
Ben Wallace - excellent for defence and now excellent commentator
so good in fact he ensured personnel were awarded below inflation pay awards in every year he was in post.
What really matters is what the vessels are called, never mind the huge cuts to funding in the fleet and the RAF and Army.
What’s the point in having a navy if you can’t use it to annoy the French! That is what the Royal navy is for!
This old man doesn't actually KNOW why the name was changed but he would have you believe he has it on good authority. Listen carefully to how he argues his case.
America happily suggests the name HMS New Orleans.
Not the first time this has happened - In 1975/76 Cunard themselves decided to rename their soon to be launched cruise ship Cunard Conquest - renaming her Cunard Princess - as it would be regularly calling into South American ports (along with its new sister Cunard Countess)- and they didn't want to offend the ever growing number of very rich Colombian and Venezualan passengers who had started cruising with them on their earlier Cunard Adventurer and Cunard Ambassador.
To be honest, of all times, when the Russians are in the Channel, threatened our underwater infrastructure maybe we should be being careful about staying on good terms with the French if we want their help to stop us from being cut off from the internet and European gas.
You Heard Admiral Snowflake...... This The Biggest Problem In Britain To Date......
Well I have a problem with the Bayeux Tapestry being displayed in the UK in reading it needs to be removed ASAP.
I don't know why not Agincourt; but patrism is also political
Totally agree that qualified political candidates are hard to come bye, precisely for the reasons Ben Wallace mentioned. That is a situation full of financial/political risk, and risk to our defense/safety.
What a sad old Gammon he is. I’d be half tempted to name it HMS Mandela just to wind him up the same way he thinks it’s perfectly fine to pointlessly wind up our closest military ally.
Our other closest military ally (the US), has had a tonne of ships named after various battles and leaders from the revolutionary war and 1812. They also have a destroyer named after Churchill. It's possible to acknowledge you used to fight whilst celebrating the friendship today.
Best name for a submarine - HMS unsinkable!
With our current pro-Islamic government,I’m surprised they didn’t rename it HMS Abdullah or HMS AbuHamza.
The French in me is laughing out loud. The German in me is wondering about what we could call our ships to offend brits (SMS Britannia gets my vote, I'll second SMS Trafalgar). The European in me (oops you are out) is thinking: Achilles, a great European warrior! Sadly, YT doesn't have a ROFL option.
How is this “woke”? What nonsense.
we should all be terribly offended. we should all have the right to be called by whatever label we want
Lord Raglan who fought at Waterloo continued describing the French as ‘the enemy’ even when later they were allies during the Crimean War, which infuriated and confused them .
Will the sub work or nah?
Naming a lump of metal, for gods sake! who bloody cares? - The insentient lump of metal?
Ha... climate conspiracy theorist has Gammon melt down.
Excellent work who decided to change name to try to mend relationships with Europe. Bravo
I don't know why so much fuss is being made about a name, nobody's gonna care when this thing starts slinging torpedoes at enemy ships
Agincourt, the flower of French nobility fell under a storm of English arrows.
In fact the French would probably laugh at us if they found out and who can blame them.
The French are still afraid of longbow men....
So any semblance of being nice is considered “woke”
As is tradition 🤡
The Trojans must be fuming
If any remain to do so, they very likely were fuming already. The 6th Astute Class sub, just one slot ahead of the former Agincourt, had already been named HMS Agamemnon.
To be honest I can see your point however Achillies is a proud naval name Agincourt os more associated with land warfare.HMNZs Achllies fought gallantly at River Plate.
However I agree we shouldn't be re writing history it happened we all have to live with the consequences good or bad .We have fought more wars against the French than any other nation after all you win some you lose some move on.
Admiral Chris Perry's reactions to the US naming one of the major British defeats is to downplay the battle suggests a small mindedness on his part whilst accusing others of small minded to change name.
It is also a bit rich of an ex Royal Navy officer to shrug off concern of the names of its ship and then complained that the JMSDF naming their Aircraft carrier Kaga the namesake of the IJN that helped defeated the Royal Navy in WW2.
It's pretty obvious that in the main he's just understandably irritated with the absurd, sub-adult Woke Cult and its sad crew's habitual gesturist drivel. Plus, of far greater importance, the navy's traditional prerogative re the naming of its own vessels being so arbitrarily usurped for no valid reason whatsoever. While as one of the RN committee concerned, he also likely sees that latter issue as implied criticism as well.
On the other hand Agincourt had nothing to do with the Navy
Aren't Achilles eels an endangered species?
How about the government annoys the French by calling in the loan they haven’t paid a penny on since 1931, because hundreds of billions would be quite handy.
The government can run the Royal Navy a lot better than Admirals. Why not sack the admirals and save money> Just look at the fantastic job Stamer is doing stopping the boat people.
This dude from warship naming committee thinks admirals should quit because of made up names 😅😅...
He thinks only his committee entitled to do the namings .
This is what keeps him up at night unlike listeners.
American. St. Crispin's Day oration by Henry recalled. Agincourt is a superb sub moniker. Mais c'est la vie.
In WW2 the yanks reused names from sunken carriers. So renaming isn't unheard of.
5:29 Don't know who the work experience girl is, but perhaps the problem is that nobody can pronounce _Agincourt?_
I can't get excited about this and it speaks volumes of those who think it's a massive culture war issue
It was stolen valour calling it Agincourt rather than Trafalgar, Copenhagen, Rio Platte, or any of the other naval victories
All hail his majesty Henry V!
The Battle of Agincourt was 610 years ago. Why all the fuss?
Oh great now we'll (America) will have a USS Trump. 😫
It'll be a bright-orange life-boat if they've a wit of sense!
That's the pathetic
king' we have now!
Crickey...its Admiral Barking Rabid. Quick hoist a yellow pennant! 🙃
He had me going there until he started talking about luck, and all credibility was lost.
Thanks.
HMS Le Frog.
such a gutless king
Call it HMS Waterloo - even better.
Sorry why the name changed? Are we really just assuming it was 'because woke' without a shred of evidence? I would be embarrassed to upload this but I guess the algorithm likes it.
It was commissioned as Astute 7, then named Ajax, then Agincourt (Gavin Williamson wanting to stick it to the French ? ) and now Achilles .
@@paulfrance5059 Was it because of that? Do we know its the Gavin Williamson thing or are we just assuming because someone who wasnt at any of the meetings is assuming thats why
@@UnionJames It is my assumption, hence the question mark, but Williamson is on record in 2020 stating Britain is a much better country than France, Belgium or anyone else, so i can’t count him as a fan of France.
Achilles was male, that's offensive, I suggest HMS Turnip.
Most french don't even know what Agencourt is all about plus it's Azincourt in french.
So French finally will have a historical peace with British
I love how upset so called adults are over this. 😂stay mad.
Now let's think about this. Could HMS Agincourt look a bit disrespectful to the French? Maybe HMS Anything else might be better?
What next, drop all reference to the Battle of Britain to avoid offending Germany?
seething over what? makes one wonder who is really thin skinned here.
HMS Agincourt.....ok - let's call it HMS Aboukir
Changing ships names is bad luck!