+DRWolf001 +FOB Equestria *Sees Doc come back with Firebrand* Aw horse apples... my appointment is cancelled? We just started! *Sulks* Lol, ok but on topic about this, I personally don't take or learn morals from the show of MLP itself, but I do like to compare the morals of the certain situations to what I experienced in real life. I learned most of my morals and ethics from my mother, and yes defiently from friendship influences. I'd argue I learned a lot about kindness, patience, sharing, and tolerence as well as safety from my mom, where as courage, determination and...anger management from my dad. Where as a lot of my friends, or more like...classmates, were the influence of what NOT to do, even though I did make a few mistakes here and there. But this is what I like about MLP, it shares certain morals and situations with the characters that remind me of similar situations I've been in. It makes me think back on how I handled the situation and how I learned that moral. Anyways thanks for sharing guys ^^
The whole "It's for Kids" argument isn't a reason, it's a poorly made up excuse of an excuse when people can't think of another argument so they fall back on it, it's not proving a point it's pathetic and childish. I've heard the excuse so often I roll my eyes whenever someone uses it, if we followed the age guidance of everything, I wouldn't be allowed to watch my favourite comedy, Allo Allo because it has a 12 rating, opps, can't watch it because it's beneath me, I guess I'll watch Lord of the Rings, guess what can't watch that either it's a 12, okay I'm going to read Harry Potter, nope can't do that either, it's for kids to teenagers and I'm 25. This "Argument" only makes sense if you apply it in every area! It means theme parks are off limits to adults, if something is meant for kids, I'd like to see the law that says I have to watch things for my age group! In the end of the day if something is meant for kids there is no justifiably good reason why an adult can't watch it and learn from it. I still watch things from my youth and they still teach me things because some times even if it's a small thing like I should apply more understanding in my life, it still helps. This has been Andrew's annoying stupid comment saying "Where's my beer? So I can forget this comment!"
You bring up an excellent point. Someone who I know tried the “it’s for kids” argument on me because I still watch power rangers and I pointed out to them that they go to theme parks ( I literally saw them go) it left them sputtering excuses because they had nothing to stand on. Age is irrelevant these days and everyone knows it.
I had this problem when I searched for reviews of my favorite fantasy author. Most people seemed to refer to her books as "for kids", "I would have liked it when I was 12", "it's more childish than other works" and so on. It's very clear for me that most of her books are meant for teenagers (and young adults that still have that sense of wonder). They just see it has a fairy on it and brush it off as "for kids". Look, there are a lot of things that are for kids. But making out scenes with marks, descriptions of torture, and the sense of slowly falling into overwhelming despair aren't exactly the first thing you would list on there... But hey. It's fantasy, so it's obviously for 12 year olds.
The thing about morality in MLP compared to Dan VS is that MLP gave morality an important role by having Twilight write to Celestial. That became the standard of the show from then on. That's why I take the morality of the show seriously because viewers will get the impression of how important of a role for morality. Dan VS was made to be more entertaining than being Aesop like. And as you said, the show was able to call out in Dan's ridiculous schemes.
Another thing MLP should do is never jam the morals down our throats. George Carlin described how morals in Thomas the tank engine (at least before it had a dark period) were gently massaged in without being blatant.
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Pfft! That's a good joke! A show with possessed demonic trains having good morals! Ohh that's one for the joke book!🤭😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"That I learned from Veggietales." *Plays "We Can Forgive" from Veggietales in background.* You thought I wouldn't notice, but I did. Or... maybe you did.
Personally, I love the morals in MLP. I didn't have many friends growing up and have missed out on a LOT of social interactions that would allow most people to just figure this shit out. As well as the fact that I tend to just think differently and this stuff doesn't even occur to me, so when I started watching MLP when I was a freshman in college, it actually helped me learn stuff about friendship and social interactions. I know that sounds sad, but hey, some people don't get this is stuff (like me) without being pointed out because of crappy childhoods. And I don't understand why people dismiss kid's media just because it's kid's media. You'd think people would care that much more BECAUSE it's for impressionable young kids.
Morality is an integral part of storytelling I'm general. in MLP though I was shocked how much the morals resonated with me. it reminded me that I am still learning.
+Just go to my dA! () They forgot one point though: Over-analysing a moral do not decrease the risk for misunderstanding said moral, It may even increase the risk for misunderstanding it, something I have seen several reviewers do, *including* Dr Wolf and Firebrand.
+shunkaha I have to say I agree. :P The radio show anyway. Not the *shudder* cartoons in my opinion. However, let's not do anything rude to VT. It's pretty good.
If MLP didn't become so popular, I bet no one would have cared about the morals of the show that much. I only care about the story of a cartoon rather than the moral of a story
7:06 YES! Veggietales! That was a great show. And the background music is from the Gilligan's Island forgiveness episode! I recognized it before I saw the credits!
I think I have a good idea of what Dr. Wolf could have said at the end after his command and while Firebrand was trotting away: "You are definitely taking this too seriously." Huh? Huh?
8:30 can't help but feel this moment is a reference to the "Don Bluth" death stare NC was given. Any who, great video you two, and I do hope we can all learn a thing or two about maturity, whether child or adult, and whether those lessons are from a TV show or from your mistakes... I know I have.
+Pony Kazy +MadPlushie I'm sorry to say that the creators made a bad decision in trying to get Veggietales on TV, (again) and they ran into legal issues with Hallmark. I'm sure that they would have loved to keep the old animation, but they're bound by contract now. It's a real shame too. But I guess it was never meant to be.
They're getting better. As much as one can see the difference in production values between "God Wants Me to Forgive Them" and "Larry-Boy and the Fib", so too can they see the difference between promotional art and actual post-reboot episodes.
First off, that moment at the end cracked me up. I just love when a character doesn't need to yell, scream, or swear to intimidate someone. That was gold. :D Anyway, this was definitely an interesting topic to think about when it comes to MLP. Personally, I would put myself somewhere in the middle with this spectrum. For the most part, I am a casual viewer and just want to have fun when watching an episode. At the same time, I love the way it takes approaches to morals and lessons. I never thought myself too old to learn from kids shows, and I greatly enjoy seeing what kind of morals the show gets across. So I like to look at it from both sides. Having fun, yet still taking something from it. MLP has proved to be such a smart and very engaging show in many ways, so I definitely think it's reasonable to expect great things from it. Sure, we may have seen plenty of lessons like this in other shows, but it doesn't make them any less valuable. So, I think MLP does pretty well in being a good balance with having fun and yet still giving you something to think about.
that ending haha! Man you guys really cheered me up as cold got the best of me today. I don't go in for the mortals but I do love the real good morals that come out of it i do admit! But sometimes you haveto look harder for the real mortal.
This sort of reminds me of when my dog died. I had never experienced the death of someone so close to me and I was in a state of almost complete clinical depression. I rewatched the Thundercats episode: Song of the Petalars, one of my favorites as a kid on how to deal with death. Even though I knew this episode inside and out, it was still a great comfort to me. It gave me a road map and I could experience the situation in a controlled environment without being judged or forced to be happy by others. I could just genuinely take the time to mourn my loss. That was something my friends and family couldn't really give me. That episode still carries a lot of weight for me and I will always cherish it.
I believe the inception of G4 MLP was about creating a modern day Aesop's Fables, except with colorful ponies of palletes & personalities to teach lessons of morality for "The Entire Family" on TV... As a means to sell toys. The morals of the show are arguably the most under appreciated aspects of MLP. For a show to convey a meaningful message with an entertaining story is quite a Rarity now days (Pun intended). That is why MLP is special to me. I also observed that Seasons 1-4 was about teaching Friendship in a theoretical sense (i.e don't lie, don't judge, listen to your friends, and let the future worry about itself. Season 5 and beyond seems to focus on teaching Friendship in Practice. (i.e How to resolve conflicts, what does it mean to love your enemy, what are the temptations for being a leader). I think this is a wonderful trend. "I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger" (1 Corinthians 3:2). I would like to think the audience is ready for a deeper application for lessons about friendship. Can I get a Hallelujah!?!
VeggieTales is da bomb! I think it's cuz we want this show, since it's a moral-presenting show, to be something that teaches truth. Our generation is getting out into the world and realizing what holds up from what we learned growing up. When we see some moral that isn't the way things are, we shout, "Don't give me that crap!"
+Doodle Dabble VeggieTales is a kid-ified rendition of the Bible. Not really a good source of morals there. Especially if you read the original versions of some of the scenes rendered in it. Like the slaughter at Jericho, for example. Way to show the "goodness" of God there, people.
Dairo512 Bible stories have stayed with us for centuries, much like Aesop and Greek Myths, partially because they really are invaluable sources of lessons. Granted, you need to present them to kids different than adults, who know God most certainly would NOT approve of the slaughter of Jericho, but it's little different than what mlp did with the Hoofields and the McColts or what children's books do with Greek Myths.
Jeremiah Bok "Bible stories have stayed with us for centuries, much like Aesop and Greek Myths, partially because they really are invaluable sources of lessons." That is *not* why Bible stories have stayed for centuries (political editing notwithstanding), and you should *know* better than to suggest otherwise. "Granted, you need to present them to kids different than adults, who know God most certainly would NOT approve of the slaughter of Jericho," Maybe you and I have read different Bibles. In the one I read, God *commanded* the slaughter of Jericho. It was the whole reason the city was in the book at all. "but it's little different than what mlp did with the Hoofields and the McColts or what children's books do with Greek Myths." No, it's actually *exactly* the same. The only difference is the subject matter involved. Also, a *lot* of what makes Greek mythology what it is is left out for the sake of teaching it to children, much like modern religions. I honestly think they should be held off until the kids are old enough to even *begin* to understand what's going on in the stories, but that's just my personal opinion.
"Maybe you and I have read different Bibles. In the one I read, God commanded the slaughter of Jericho. It was the whole reason the city was in the book at all." Ha! Very good point. :) This is a matter of some controversy. However, the Jews saw God in war and violence. For instance, they believed if you were born blind or whatnot God was punishing you. So that's how they wrote the Bible, through that lens, believing God was ordering and doing things He strictly speaking wasn't. "I honestly think they should be held off until the kids are old enough to even begin to understand what's going on in the stories, but that's just my personal opinion." Very strong point. I can respect that. For me though, my childhood would have a nasty hole without Greek Myths, I treasured them. :)
cool work with the audio :) I love how you changed the background music to match things that were brought up in conversation like Dan vs and veggie tales
Wow, Dr. Wolf is becoming more and more like Fluttershy by the day. He even has the stare down now. (Except instead of taming unruly animals, he can tame unruly analysts~) Thanks so much for making this video guys! I knew that it was going to be great as soon as I clicked on it! I had a lot of great laughs! But more importantly, the commentary actually made me reflect a lot on how blessed I am to be able to enjoy dissecting morals of an episode, and then being able to apply it to my life. A lot of my peers can't, or don't do that, so they struggle with problems that many episodes of MLP, or other TV shows I've watched have already tackled. (And that could vastly improve their situations if they just stopped and listened.) Thanks again, guys. :)
"You know that in looove we can foorgiiiiive, obey God and seeee that we can live in harmoonyyyyy, in harmoonyyyyy. Since God has fogiiiven us it's truuuue, you forgive meee, I fooorgiiive youuuuuu, I'm gonna staaaaaart to who forgiiiveneess froom myy heaaaaaaaaaaart." HEHEHEHEH!
Whip it! Whip it good! Very strong lesson guys! Most times I think many people forget common sense from time to time. I have been in those situation where I have been in fights with people who I throught were my friends, and the friendship finally fell through. My moral is perfect is a lie, but just because we have flaws dosent mean we can work around them. As humans we will have many flaws and as we grow we learn things over time so that we can teach it to the next gen. Even after we are still learning new things. I really hate how toxic our world and the internet has become, but maybe in time we can teach these new morals to hopefully not repeat past mistakes. Again very strong video!
Well this was enjoyable to watch. I know this video is old but it is always fun to hear others thoughts on the show and some of the talk around or about the show. Keep up the good work.
2/3 of my fave analysts. intellectualism and, well, a fiery joker! loving the show as always, and i love seeing the doc and firebrand together, they play off each other well! morality in mlp is a topic of much discussion amongst me and my friends (united through the show!) and so its great to see it being talked about here :)
A lot of the morals we learn as children are the lessons we need to function as responsible adults. Shows like MLP teach children these issues, and for adults, reinforce what we SHOULD ALREADY know. But alas, as people grow older and learn more from other media, the conflict of "that's for kids"/ "I'm too old for that" gets in the way of retaining the lessons of our youth. We need not dismiss these lessons, but show them by example to children through applying them first and foremost to ourselves, consciously and uprightly so.
I love the morals in this show because when they do an episode about it, they don't dumb it down and they make it very easy for both kids and adults to understand and learn from them.
I always love hearing other peoples point of view on shows like this hearing people's likes or dislikes cough cough dragon shy. they may have noticed something you miss. getting other people's opinion is totally fun.
I'm in my twenties and MLP's morals honestly help me. It's not like they're anything that new, but they're reminders of how to live life to the best I can. True story... when I first started watching the show it was right before I was leaving college. I was panicking I wouldn't be able to pack up and move everything to storage before my flight and I was nearly in tears. I had just finished Applebuck Season and realized I was being like Applejack and trying to do it all on my own. I called my friend and got the help I needed. It honestly helped remind me that I can rely on my friends and don't always have to rely on myself.
Typically speaking i'm not dismissive of morality but I personally don't believe in it. It's fun to talk about it and get the psychology behind it but typically my favorite kinds of morals are hard to write and seldom found in kids shows (though one may argue it has more to do with themes then morals in what i'm about to say but whatever) and it's when the message still means something or another in the face of nihilism. The best example I can think of was the character arc of Iskandar from Fate Zero.
I personally love the mlp community over the show in fact the thing that drew me in was the community I have no idea how this is relevant I just wanted to say how awesome bronys are =)
I like the morals in the show as they help others who face the similar problem like they did, including myself. Sometimes I take the lessons to heart ^^
A classic moral, the Red Cross Knight. That's something I'd love to see in an episode. Learning your lesson doesn't make you perfect, you will still mess up, and lessons learned are often learned again and again.
Good points, you guys. I think you really explained something I've been dealing with lately - analyzing shows I care about because I WANT to see good in them. I had some difficulty with Gravity Falls (puts shields up against flying FlameBricks) because I LOVED the show, but I loved it enough that I began to notice the slowly growing trend of things I found disturbing - many of which I found especially disturbing BECAUSE they were happening in a kids' cartoon. Kind of goes hand-in-hand with the other stuff you said: kids are smart, but impressionable, and we adults often exemplify a lack of the morals they DIDN'T learn as kids in their adult behavior. Totally think it's important for kids' shows to have good morals, or at least to pay attention to the morals shows are teaching your kids if your kids are watching them. Overall, very nicely put. ^^ Thanks for the thoughts, you guys!
Doctor Wolf is the physical avatar of parental disappointment.
+Nathanael Unger He's the physical avatar to parental guidance too... weird seeing as I'm sure quite a few bronies have kids themselves
😱 even Mr. Dr wolf scared me and wow he is like a parent when it comes to what Mr. FireBrand did
I wounder then if he has his own lantern Corp?
+Nathanael Unger As if Doctor Wolf is giving a staring impersonation of Donald Bluth (Conquest of the Commercials).
He makes me fall asleep.
"ADULTS... AREN'T... PERFECT!" Well said, Firebrand. Well friggin' said.
Except me, IM ALWAYS PERFECT!😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎🤪
Nor are kid’s
That's was Amazing. "My office, NOW!" "Yes sir" That's some frigging gold!
I'm selling replays free but you have to say a line from this episode.
8:28
It was just so funny
"My office, now!" that killed me XD
I love how Dr. Wolf is the shrink/Father figure in this community ^^
+DRWolf001 +FOB Equestria
*Sees Doc come back with Firebrand* Aw horse apples... my appointment is cancelled? We just started! *Sulks*
Lol, ok but on topic about this, I personally don't take or learn morals from the show of MLP itself, but I do like to compare the morals of the certain situations to what I experienced in real life. I learned most of my morals and ethics from my mother, and yes defiently from friendship influences. I'd argue I learned a lot about kindness, patience, sharing, and tolerence as well as safety from my mom, where as courage, determination and...anger management from my dad. Where as a lot of my friends, or more like...classmates, were the influence of what NOT to do, even though I did make a few mistakes here and there.
But this is what I like about MLP, it shares certain morals and situations with the characters that remind me of similar situations I've been in. It makes me think back on how I handled the situation and how I learned that moral.
Anyways thanks for sharing guys ^^
OMG it's Lightning Bliss! I love your stuff!
+Gwen AnnaBelle is okay. i don't post any videos anyway and only give the rare comment so it shouldn't affect me too badly
+Lightning Bliss Original character donut steel
Bliss I didn't know you had parents. Are they unicorns or pegasi?
+Lightning Bliss Love you lightning bliss. Platonically of course. Great cameo.
The whole "It's for Kids" argument isn't a reason, it's a poorly made up excuse of an excuse when people can't think of another argument so they fall back on it, it's not proving a point it's pathetic and childish. I've heard the excuse so often I roll my eyes whenever someone uses it, if we followed the age guidance of everything, I wouldn't be allowed to watch my favourite comedy, Allo Allo because it has a 12 rating, opps, can't watch it because it's beneath me, I guess I'll watch Lord of the Rings, guess what can't watch that either it's a 12, okay I'm going to read Harry Potter, nope can't do that either, it's for kids to teenagers and I'm 25. This "Argument" only makes sense if you apply it in every area! It means theme parks are off limits to adults, if something is meant for kids, I'd like to see the law that says I have to watch things for my age group! In the end of the day if something is meant for kids there is no justifiably good reason why an adult can't watch it and learn from it. I still watch things from my youth and they still teach me things because some times even if it's a small thing like I should apply more understanding in my life, it still helps. This has been Andrew's annoying stupid comment saying "Where's my beer? So I can forget this comment!"
You bring up an excellent point. Someone who I know tried the “it’s for kids” argument on me because I still watch power rangers and I pointed out to them that they go to theme parks ( I literally saw them go) it left them sputtering excuses because they had nothing to stand on. Age is irrelevant these days and everyone knows it.
I had this problem when I searched for reviews of my favorite fantasy author. Most people seemed to refer to her books as "for kids", "I would have liked it when I was 12", "it's more childish than other works" and so on.
It's very clear for me that most of her books are meant for teenagers (and young adults that still have that sense of wonder).
They just see it has a fairy on it and brush it off as "for kids".
Look, there are a lot of things that are for kids. But making out scenes with marks, descriptions of torture, and the sense of slowly falling into overwhelming despair aren't exactly the first thing you would list on there...
But hey. It's fantasy, so it's obviously for 12 year olds.
The thing about morality in MLP compared to Dan VS is that MLP gave morality an important role by having Twilight write to Celestial. That became the standard of the show from then on. That's why I take the morality of the show seriously because viewers will get the impression of how important of a role for morality. Dan VS was made to be more entertaining than being Aesop like. And as you said, the show was able to call out in Dan's ridiculous schemes.
Another thing MLP should do is never jam the morals down our throats. George Carlin described how morals in Thomas the tank engine (at least before it had a dark period) were gently massaged in without being blatant.
Also best part of this was the doctor wolf starithon. My office, now
Firebrand : yes sir.
Or the WHY ARNT YOU BLINKING? ??
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Pfft! That's a good joke! A show with possessed demonic trains having good morals! Ohh that's one for the joke book!🤭😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
"That I learned from Veggietales."
*Plays "We Can Forgive" from Veggietales in background.*
You thought I wouldn't notice, but I did. Or... maybe you did.
8:29 Of Dr. Wolf was my dad, I would be scared right now.
Imani Art & Morph May same
Same.
Even if he isn't your Dad just by lookin at you like that, everyone would be frightened
I’ve learned to do that it’s fun, my friends constantly challenge me to staring contests. it’s fun to see their faces.
8:22 - Vegeta; "BOY! DON'T MAKE ME COME UP THERE AND BE A PARENT!"
Trunks - "FIRST TIME FOR EVERYTHING I GUESS!"
i love drwolf's stare especially at the end. it's priceless.
Personally, I love the morals in MLP. I didn't have many friends growing up and have missed out on a LOT of social interactions that would allow most people to just figure this shit out. As well as the fact that I tend to just think differently and this stuff doesn't even occur to me, so when I started watching MLP when I was a freshman in college, it actually helped me learn stuff about friendship and social interactions. I know that sounds sad, but hey, some people don't get this is stuff (like me) without being pointed out because of crappy childhoods. And I don't understand why people dismiss kid's media just because it's kid's media. You'd think people would care that much more BECAUSE it's for impressionable young kids.
Morality is an integral part of storytelling I'm general.
in MLP though I was shocked how much the morals resonated with me. it reminded me that I am still learning.
8:30 to 8:49 the power of flutter shy’s the stare, maud’s blank stare powers and dad 👨🏻
You two make a valid point in this.
Also:
VEGGIETALES FOR THE WIN!!!
X3
+Just go to my dA! () They forgot one point though: Over-analysing a moral do not decrease the risk for misunderstanding said moral, It may even increase the risk for misunderstanding it, something I have seen several reviewers do, *including* Dr Wolf and Firebrand.
RubberyCat That's true.
+Just go to my dA! fuck your veggie tales. adventures in Odyssey for the win.
+shunkaha I have to say I agree. :P The radio show anyway. Not the *shudder* cartoons in my opinion.
However, let's not do anything rude to VT. It's pretty good.
Jeremiah Bok
well i was joking, i grew up on VT as well but i used to have the entire collection on cassettes for odyssey : 3
If MLP didn't become so popular, I bet no one would have cared about the morals of the show that much.
I only care about the story of a cartoon rather than the moral of a story
Not for me.
7:06 YES! Veggietales! That was a great show. And the background music is from the Gilligan's Island forgiveness episode! I recognized it before I saw the credits!
They also played "His Cheeseburger" before that.
WHY AREN'T YOU BLINKING!?
XD
"My office, NOW!"
"Yes sir."
Welp, you're in deep doodoo now.
And what have I learned from this?
That apparently Dr. Wolf could win a staring contest easily when he's in 'Parental Disappointment' mode.
But can he win against fluttershy's stare in a stareing contest?
You forgot to end this with your catchphrase for each episode. I think you may be taking this too seriously.
Bwahahaha!
I don't think he took it too seriously *rewatches the ending* NEVERMIND HE DID HE SHOULD'VE SAID IT
+Redis the Kestora I don't think he was taking it too seriously. In fact it really was really well thought out with truth and clarity.
I think I have a good idea of what Dr. Wolf could have said at the end after his command and while Firebrand was trotting away: "You are definitely taking this too seriously." Huh? Huh?
*sees Stalker avatar* Holy Shitake Mushrooms! The Stalker is a BRONY!
I'd say Purpose sums it up perfectly. MLP is scrutinized for its morality because teaching morals is part of its reason for being.
MLP has a nice way to tell morals.
Dr. Wolf has one of those voices that are just relaxing for me to hear. People with a voice like that I could listen to for hours.
now I know why Drwolf chose that thumbnail xD good one
8:30 can't help but feel this moment is a reference to the "Don Bluth" death stare NC was given. Any who, great video you two, and I do hope we can all learn a thing or two about maturity, whether child or adult, and whether those lessons are from a TV show or from your mistakes... I know I have.
I still remember when Dan tried to find a cure for the common cold and almost died
Love FOB Equestria
8:46 why do I get the feeling that's what he says to his kids when they're in trouble? haha that's fun thought....
Are you certain Dan Vs was for kids? I think I remember one particular episode where Dan actually swears.
The Hub was all kids and family shows
+Mr Zilla Then what was that episode involving some monster under Dan's bed where he swore?
+skellington15 a moment when a joke passes the censors.
(BTW what did he say? hell, damit? just curious)
+Isaac Why We all know that parents take it worse than the kids though.
cartoons are starting to get more liberal with words.
Woo! C.S. Lewis and VeggieTales for the win!
it got rebooted, and now they look scary! hide your kids!
+Pony Kazy It sucks like utter crap too
+MadPlushie rip veggie tales
+Pony Kazy +MadPlushie I'm sorry to say that the creators made a bad decision in trying to get Veggietales on TV, (again) and they ran into legal issues with Hallmark. I'm sure that they would have loved to keep the old animation, but they're bound by contract now.
It's a real shame too. But I guess it was never meant to be.
They're getting better. As much as one can see the difference in production values between "God Wants Me to Forgive Them" and "Larry-Boy and the Fib", so too can they see the difference between promotional art and actual post-reboot episodes.
"My office. Now."
"Yes, sir."
😆
7:08 love that show that was my inspiration to create a fictional world of my own to spread the word of GOD.
Dr. Wolf: "In my study."Josh: -gulp-
"Daddys watching"
*FIREBRAND N O YOU SAID CURSED WORDS*
First off, that moment at the end cracked me up. I just love when a character doesn't need to yell, scream, or swear to intimidate someone. That was gold. :D
Anyway, this was definitely an interesting topic to think about when it comes to MLP. Personally, I would put myself somewhere in the middle with this spectrum. For the most part, I am a casual viewer and just want to have fun when watching an episode. At the same time, I love the way it takes approaches to morals and lessons. I never thought myself too old to learn from kids shows, and I greatly enjoy seeing what kind of morals the show gets across. So I like to look at it from both sides. Having fun, yet still taking something from it.
MLP has proved to be such a smart and very engaging show in many ways, so I definitely think it's reasonable to expect great things from it. Sure, we may have seen plenty of lessons like this in other shows, but it doesn't make them any less valuable. So, I think MLP does pretty well in being a good balance with having fun and yet still giving you something to think about.
that ending haha! Man you guys really cheered me up as cold got the best of me today.
I don't go in for the mortals but I do love the real good morals that come out of it i do admit! But sometimes you haveto look harder for the real mortal.
This sort of reminds me of when my dog died. I had never experienced the death of someone so close to me and I was in a state of almost complete clinical depression. I rewatched the Thundercats episode: Song of the Petalars, one of my favorites as a kid on how to deal with death. Even though I knew this episode inside and out, it was still a great comfort to me. It gave me a road map and I could experience the situation in a controlled environment without being judged or forced to be happy by others. I could just genuinely take the time to mourn my loss. That was something my friends and family couldn't really give me. That episode still carries a lot of weight for me and I will always cherish it.
It's the weirdest thing. Why do I suddenly have a craving for cheeseburgers?
+Leaf-Razor Oh, subtle. But I'll take the bait. *ahem* "Oh cheeseburger, oh precious cheese burger. I'll wait for you-ooo, oh, wait for you-oo."
+Leaf-Razor EEEEaaayyyy i see what you did there! XD
+Jeremiah Bok I thought you were going to sing about growing up in Connecticut!
AceTrainerLiz I grew up in New Jersey. :P
Because McDonald uses pony for cheeseburgers
"My office, now!" That made me laugh.
I believe the inception of G4 MLP was about creating a modern day Aesop's Fables, except with colorful ponies of palletes & personalities to teach lessons of morality for "The Entire Family" on TV... As a means to sell toys. The morals of the show are arguably the most under appreciated aspects of MLP.
For a show to convey a meaningful message with an entertaining story is quite a Rarity now days (Pun intended). That is why MLP is special to me. I also observed that Seasons 1-4 was about teaching Friendship in a theoretical sense (i.e don't lie, don't judge, listen to your friends, and let the future worry about itself. Season 5 and beyond seems to focus on teaching Friendship in Practice. (i.e How to resolve conflicts, what does it mean to love your enemy, what are the temptations for being a leader). I think this is a wonderful trend. "I had to feed you with milk, not with solid food, because you weren’t ready for anything stronger" (1 Corinthians 3:2). I would like to think the audience is ready for a deeper application for lessons about friendship. Can I get a Hallelujah!?!
+Hallelujah Brony A Christian Brony, like myself? This truly is a blessed day. :)
+Allyson Benedict I don't think us Christian bronies are all that uncommon. ;)
+Allyson Benedict I am, in fact, I have PMVs from some Christian Artists and scriptural .
Small steps is what 1 corinthians is talking about.
But you know what they say, you can lead a horse to his water but you can't make him drink.
+Hallelujah Brony G1 to G4 MLP has always delivered life lessons to children.
"my office....now" that's still damn scary lol
Music used: Dan vs. Vegetales
O_o don't remember That episode
+TARDIS915 XD
+TARDIS915 Hey, if Batman v. Superman is any good, we'll probably be in for a whole slew of "vs." movies, so that could actually happen.
VeggieTales is da bomb! I think it's cuz we want this show, since it's a moral-presenting show, to be something that teaches truth. Our generation is getting out into the world and realizing what holds up from what we learned growing up. When we see some moral that isn't the way things are, we shout, "Don't give me that crap!"
+Doodle Dabble Hear hear! Kid's show's are an excellent medium for morals. Also, you rule.
+Doodle Dabble VeggieTales is a kid-ified rendition of the Bible. Not really a good source of morals there. Especially if you read the original versions of some of the scenes rendered in it. Like the slaughter at Jericho, for example. Way to show the "goodness" of God there, people.
Dairo512 Bible stories have stayed with us for centuries, much like Aesop and Greek Myths, partially because they really are invaluable sources of lessons. Granted, you need to present them to kids different than adults, who know God most certainly would NOT approve of the slaughter of Jericho, but it's little different than what mlp did with the Hoofields and the McColts or what children's books do with Greek Myths.
Jeremiah Bok "Bible stories have stayed with us for centuries, much like Aesop and Greek Myths, partially because they really are invaluable sources of lessons."
That is *not* why Bible stories have stayed for centuries (political editing notwithstanding), and you should *know* better than to suggest otherwise.
"Granted, you need to present them to kids different than adults, who know God most certainly would NOT approve of the slaughter of Jericho,"
Maybe you and I have read different Bibles. In the one I read, God *commanded* the slaughter of Jericho. It was the whole reason the city was in the book at all.
"but it's little different than what mlp did with the Hoofields and the McColts or what children's books do with Greek Myths."
No, it's actually *exactly* the same. The only difference is the subject matter involved.
Also, a *lot* of what makes Greek mythology what it is is left out for the sake of teaching it to children, much like modern religions. I honestly think they should be held off until the kids are old enough to even *begin* to understand what's going on in the stories, but that's just my personal opinion.
"Maybe you and I have read different Bibles. In the one I read, God commanded the slaughter of Jericho. It was the whole reason the city was in the book at all."
Ha! Very good point. :) This is a matter of some controversy. However, the Jews saw God in war and violence. For instance, they believed if you were born blind or whatnot God was punishing you. So that's how they wrote the Bible, through that lens, believing God was ordering and doing things He strictly speaking wasn't.
"I honestly think they should be held off until the kids are old enough to even begin to understand what's going on in the stories, but that's just my personal opinion."
Very strong point. I can respect that. For me though, my childhood would have a nasty hole without Greek Myths, I treasured them. :)
Some stories are to teach a lesson / moral, other stories are simply for entertainment, however the best stories do both.
cool work with the audio :) I love how you changed the background music to match things that were brought up in conversation like Dan vs and veggie tales
At the beginning and end...I laughed way harder and longer than I needed to.
im sorry but.
"Daddy is watching you wirh great disappointment"
Wolf: My office. Now.
Brawny Buck: Oh god the implications.
6:24 I applauded at the end of this rant. THANK YOU FIREBRAND. Oh, and that ending was hilarious XD
Wow, Dr. Wolf is becoming more and more like Fluttershy by the day. He even has the stare down now. (Except instead of taming unruly animals, he can tame unruly analysts~)
Thanks so much for making this video guys! I knew that it was going to be great as soon as I clicked on it! I had a lot of great laughs! But more importantly, the commentary actually made me reflect a lot on how blessed I am to be able to enjoy dissecting morals of an episode, and then being able to apply it to my life. A lot of my peers can't, or don't do that, so they struggle with problems that many episodes of MLP, or other TV shows I've watched have already tackled. (And that could vastly improve their situations if they just stopped and listened.)
Thanks again, guys. :)
Fact: adults are only grown up kids anyway, what's the worst thing that could happen if an adult watches a kids show showing moral lessons etc?
"You know that in looove we can foorgiiiiive, obey God and seeee that we can live in harmoonyyyyy, in harmoonyyyyy. Since God has fogiiiven us it's truuuue, you forgive meee, I fooorgiiive youuuuuu, I'm gonna staaaaaart to who forgiiiveneess froom myy heaaaaaaaaaaart." HEHEHEHEH!
Classic.
o.e......MAKE IT STOP !!!!!
+JTAC Bluemansonic MY CHILDHOOOOOOD!!! *falls over from nostalgic feels*
+JTAC Bluemansonic what is THAT monstrosity?
+JTAC Bluemansonic I don't recognize that. Where is it from?
Anyone else never want to have that face from Dr. Wolf directed at you?
I think he would be a amazing parent though
Really great chemistry. Love the visual presentation. Completely agree. This is why I always focus on themes and messages in my reviews.
Hi I just stumbled into your channel and this is quite entertaining. I'm looking forward to new vids and exploring what else you have made :)
1:23 That picture right there is squad goals
Firebrand: *Pulls out belt* "I might have'ta be a parent." >B)
Me: *spits out milk*
I almost want to see a video of Dr. Wolf interviewing him now.. This was funny to watch and made me think. Cheers.
Toy wolf , hahaha like something Paris Hilton would carry in her purse from Meet the Spartans. B-)
A really good episode commander Firebrand and always good to see Dr Wolf
FireBrand's Turn:
Firebrand uses parent-belt
its super ineffective.
DrWolfs Turn:
Dr. Wolf Uses Stare
Its Super Effective!
Dr.Wolf used the stare 😂
(Uses uno reverse card.)
Whip it! Whip it good!
Very strong lesson guys! Most times I think many people forget common sense from time to time. I have been in those situation where I have been in fights with people who I throught were my friends, and the friendship finally fell through. My moral is perfect is a lie, but just because we have flaws dosent mean we can work around them. As humans we will have many flaws and as we grow we learn things over time so that we can teach it to the next gen. Even after we are still learning new things. I really hate how toxic our world and the internet has become, but maybe in time we can teach these new morals to hopefully not repeat past mistakes. Again very strong video!
Well this was enjoyable to watch. I know this video is old but it is always fun to hear others thoughts on the show and some of the talk around or about the show. Keep up the good work.
You had some pretty good points as usually.
2/3 of my fave analysts. intellectualism and, well, a fiery joker! loving the show as always, and i love seeing the doc and firebrand together, they play off each other well! morality in mlp is a topic of much discussion amongst me and my friends (united through the show!) and so its great to see it being talked about here :)
You know I'm getting flashbacks from watching ReviewTechUSA about "You should let technology raise your children" quote.
Don't worry about Dr. Wolf. Just take a clothespin with you, attach it to his scruff when he's not looking. You'll be fine. XD
I still miss Dan Vs. It ended long before it's time and was really hilarious. Like how you used the end theme from the show to end the video.
"My office NOW"! I love that it's so funny
A lot of the morals we learn as children are the lessons we need to function as responsible adults. Shows like MLP teach children these issues, and for adults, reinforce what we SHOULD ALREADY know. But alas, as people grow older and learn more from other media, the conflict of "that's for kids"/ "I'm too old for that" gets in the way of retaining the lessons of our youth. We need not dismiss these lessons, but show them by example to children through applying them first and foremost to ourselves, consciously and uprightly so.
I love the morals in this show because when they do an episode about it, they don't dumb it down and they make it very easy for both kids and adults to understand and learn from them.
LOL! I love how he whips the belt like it's a threat. Don't threaten us with a good time now, Firebrand. XD
I always love hearing other peoples point of view on shows like this hearing people's likes or dislikes cough cough dragon shy. they may have noticed something you miss. getting other people's opinion is totally fun.
The Maud pie effect, the Dr. wolf version, of the Maud pie version, of Fluttershy’s: THE STARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thumbs up for "The Forgiveness song." @ 7:33.
I guess sometimes you really should take morals too seriously.
The 6:25 is my reaction to TH-cam nowadays. >_
I cant focus on the episode with out singing in my head BECAUSE YOUR HIS CHEESEBURGER
omg i love watching these they are so funny, it makes me wanna talk about my opinions on mlp as i do love the show
DrWolf is right, friends can teach you a lot of important moral lessons.
1: We were on a break.
That look on Doc's face should be memed with [Judging Intensifies]
8:27 Well Josh, now you know how the Nostalgia Critic felt when he invited Don Bluth.
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Please tell me I just didn´t explain a basic joke.
I miss your episode review but this is a good video
I'm in my twenties and MLP's morals honestly help me. It's not like they're anything that new, but they're reminders of how to live life to the best I can.
True story... when I first started watching the show it was right before I was leaving college. I was panicking I wouldn't be able to pack up and move everything to storage before my flight and I was nearly in tears. I had just finished Applebuck Season and realized I was being like Applejack and trying to do it all on my own. I called my friend and got the help I needed. It honestly helped remind me that I can rely on my friends and don't always have to rely on myself.
Great video. That last line sold it :)
that last bit killed it. XD Dr. Wolf 1, Firebrand 0. JK. lol
Typically speaking i'm not dismissive of morality but I personally don't believe in it. It's fun to talk about it and get the psychology behind it but typically my favorite kinds of morals are hard to write and seldom found in kids shows (though one may argue it has more to do with themes then morals in what i'm about to say but whatever) and it's when the message still means something or another in the face of nihilism. The best example I can think of was the character arc of Iskandar from Fate Zero.
I pause at 2:48 to read the characters to myself (I like remembering names), suddenly in the next door bedroom I hear the community theme music!
I think Dillon The Hacker requires some appointments as well... or some form of therapy
'Dr. Wolf does not approve.'
Seriously, someone take that picture and make it into a meme.
I personally love the mlp community over the show in fact the thing that drew me in was the community I have no idea how this is relevant I just wanted to say how awesome bronys are =)
I like the morals in the show as they help others who face the similar problem like they did, including myself. Sometimes I take the lessons to heart ^^
you both have good points
Y’all did a good job on this video. Y’all are amazing!
I just hear the veggietales background music and mention and I’m like 💕💕💕💕💕
4:44 i recognize that vegietales tune in the background. The cheeseburger song by Mr. Lunt.
I guess you could say Dr. Wolf
*Shades*
Took things too seriously.
A classic moral, the Red Cross Knight. That's something I'd love to see in an episode. Learning your lesson doesn't make you perfect, you will still mess up, and lessons learned are often learned again and again.
Yo Josh! You still doing that "Taking Too Seriously episode for Crusaders of the Lost Mark?"
06:26-07:05
Now that would be an interesting,challenging aesop for a MLP episode
Good points, you guys. I think you really explained something I've been dealing with lately - analyzing shows I care about because I WANT to see good in them. I had some difficulty with Gravity Falls (puts shields up against flying FlameBricks) because I LOVED the show, but I loved it enough that I began to notice the slowly growing trend of things I found disturbing - many of which I found especially disturbing BECAUSE they were happening in a kids' cartoon. Kind of goes hand-in-hand with the other stuff you said: kids are smart, but impressionable, and we adults often exemplify a lack of the morals they DIDN'T learn as kids in their adult behavior. Totally think it's important for kids' shows to have good morals, or at least to pay attention to the morals shows are teaching your kids if your kids are watching them.
Overall, very nicely put. ^^ Thanks for the thoughts, you guys!