Gorgc feels threatened, every trashtalk he did flashed before his eyes. He saw himself on Ammar and knew he himself wouldn't also be able to back it up irl.
Wdym back it up IRL? Did Ammar say that Sonneiko is weak ingame or in real life? If so then what is Sonneiko trying to prove here? He is bad in dota so he has to resort in IRL beatings? Clearly sonneiko is also good at dota and also has great achievement, the fact that he has so fragile ego that he feels insulted over some "braindead" comment is destroying his legacy.
@@raymonddicksen2043 It means don't hide behind a computer. Everyones gotten so tough on the internet but rarely confronted. I don't think there should be violence though.
@@raymonddicksen2043 you need to go outside, if people call you braindead and you don't square up, then you might actually be one. just because people say something bad about you and it's not according to your strength doesn't mean things won't escalate base on strength lmao.
@@MasculineIdeal You are comparing people backseating UFC fighter or athletes with this case. Ammar didn't say that he can beat Sonneiko IRL or anything. Ammar is strictly talking about the game and sonneiko is playing like a braindead player. The one acting tough here is Sonneiko, coming after 19 years old threatening to beat him up just to be suprised that Ammar isn't scared of him. And he didn't even fuckin punch him and resort to "friendly gesture" statement.
Ofc he did 1. They were in public, watched by everyone 2. If Sonneiko didn't hold back, it could risk his own career@@InfinityStein Simple reason, right?
well he didn't punch so he's not true to his words. he literally said right "I will punch you in the face" but he didn't so what man are you talking about. ahahaha! commend the man when he punch him really in the face ok
you have the same fragile ego as sonneiko? hahahaha 3months ago called him braindead and hes still angry ammar living rent free in his head lol grown man cant take some trashtalk hahaha
Definitely not appropriate to threathen somone in the competition, and his reaction is extreme. However, this is a good topic to talk about how people feel entitled to be protected from accountability when you say stupid things online. I think this generation got used to having no consequences when you say stupid things. In a very real setting, you could get beat up for saying the wrong things (the gravity of what you said doesn't matter to some people) and people forget that this is reality and it was like this before the internet. That's why the reasonable rule is to never say anything that you wouldn't say to someone's face. I think banter/trash talk is fine but you shouldn't feel entitled to be protected from accountability once it further escalates. It's a very chronically online mindset.
If the trashtalk was a single "braindead" from 3 months ago then youre just being stupid to ask someone a decade younger that you would punch him. Lmao
It is a fucking online videogame lmao , he can say whatever fhe hell he wnats especially when he is not saying racist,homo, etc and just calling you bad in insults.
@@annderchayannepochitazunig4491then by your logic, if you're stronger in real life then you're allowed to do whatever you want on someone in real life including physical assault . Fucking braindead comment.
For those who r defending ATF, keep in mind that year ago he promised to break BZM's face if they meet in LAN. So why he is not punished?! Or threat in direct communication is more important than over remote communication?!
After reading Sonneiko tweet I kinda feel bad for him. Skitter and falcons provoked him, insulting him verbally so they can play the victim card, and they did. They tried to remove sonneiko from tournament Compared to Ammar, Sonneiko is actually a chill guy in pubs, for him to actually confront him irl pretty sure it's not just simple bm ingame
@@ZagaLives He released DMs between him and Ammar yeah, but we don't really know what was said in person. Did you read the DMs all he said was he'll confront him in person
U think ammar afraid? He talk shit cuz he know he's good. Top 4 ti and who soneiko again? Prove u're better. If you want physical competitive go boxing. Asking out the hotel to prove who's stronger is Childish bullshit behavior
@@RemakePondationand u approve atf toxicity behavior? that's also childish behavior he's good at dota i know but he should know that there are people who's easily irritated just like sonneiko, atf should learn from this not to go overboard
@@Yoppppol are you new to dota? Even since dota 1 trash talking is part of the game. Just prove u're better or mute if u can't handle the trash talk. as simple as that. People tipping ammar to piss him off also part of the game. They just laugh when ammar goes malding. Ammar is a kid, asking a kid to fight just prove soneiko is immature as someone who compete in dota for a long time
@@Yoppppol Sonneiko was not right. But yeah the kid like sonneiko, malrine needs discipline. This generation kids think they can type anything in internet and get away with it. They are pros, not some random players.
@@RemakePondation wtf u yapping about lol. Atf is known for his omega toxic behaviour trashtalking all chat nonstop in pub games. It's not his first time getting confronted, last year Fishman, Torontotokya and many more confronted him aswell. Did you only started following pro dota since yesterday? Calling Sonneiko childish behaviour rofl, he's the least toxic person in pro dota. About time ATF got beat up IRL, that kid has got zero manners.
How about pro players actually start becoming role models (or at least decent human beings) and stop being toxic in game or threaten others irl? That should solve the issue. I for one don’t feel bad for ATF at all. He’s one of the most vocal toxic player so it’s just a matter of time that someone like Sonneiko loses it. Just because it’s over the internet doesn’t mean there should be no consequences whatsoever. Imagine if ATF (or anyone really) randomly screams at someone on the streets and call them “braindead”, try to guess what’s the most obvious respond would be? Yes, a threat.
thats what he get for talking shit online, if you talk a lot online you should be able to back it up irl, you're also like this gorgc be careful Mike Tyson said: Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it
Armel was also threatened to punch him in lan by sonneiko when armel apparently only told him in pub was "what the fuck are you doing?". They also said sonneiko is a nice guy but just malds when trashtalked. Dude has anger issues
They're pro players playing for an organization it's bad image and you can't just physically assault someone trash talks are normal in game this is just silly doing it in an event.
bro i dont know why some ppl like you think ATF is a gladiator from rome and he killed 1k ppl in biggest arena of rome he just playing dota2 why would he even fight irl @@tuckerwillexposeyou
So it’s not bad image to be a consistently toxic douchebag in pubs? 😂 Let’s not have double standards here. Pros should just play the game and not create any problems, irrespective of whether it’s over the internet or irl. It’s dumb to say that people can act however they want online but not offline, that is the exact logic that people who spread hate speech on a daily basis use.
toxic is every where.... u no need bash every one u see... the toxic u see depends on u see what they way... u can say FUCKER... but some ppl not say that toxic... u can say ASS HOLE some ppl get easily triggered.... so what sunneiko ?
In sea cafes late 2000's betting dota 1 games are so rampant, that I can still remember as clear as day the dude beside me got slapped with a keyboard in the face for trashtalking and it turned up into a brawl. I remember some keys flung and it hit me lol I was just playing ragnarok farming royal jellies for war of emperium. 😂😂 Good times
according to most russian speaking in VK or pikabu its a way of slavic ppl of implying to kill someone by putting in the ground. but dont take my word im just a random person who knows nothing
Dota or any sports or esports is a mind game. TT are part of the game IN ALL SPORTS if you cant handle it then simply mute or dont play. Like LGD did vs OG.
@@deomikhailangelonunez5789 how is that a man child move? That's how men resolve altercation since the dawn of time. What's a man child move is saying something online that's clearly out of the line then not being able to back it off.
@@tuckerwillexposeyouthat's caveman mentality, regardless of banter toxic or not things like these should not escalate outside the game, if you get triggered from receiving insults on the internet you need to actually re-evaluate your life, threatening to kill and punch a 19yo cause they called you ''braindead'' is actually cringe and embarrasing.
This stance only hurts the community by creating and encouraging more and more toxics who have no control over their speech and who think that everything is allowed on the internet. "It's just a game, why so mad!?" - a poor excuse for those who can't answer for what they say. Responsibility for what is said on the internet should be the same as it is in life.
@@yeeyzof course why mad over something you can't control, if someone toxic at me I can just ignore them by blocking them 😮💨. If they are toxic, just make them tilted lol
@@RabiRabii-fp1ftyou can control it by making someone know what they get for being a smart mouth. Insult a man verbally or via online. Be sure to be prepared for what to come
after reading what you said, it made me think about 1 event where an infamous youtuber (some say a trashtalker in youtube) had banter and poke a cartel and got unalived by some ppl or probably hitmen. so yeah! hopefully this can also be a lesson that people should be careful on saying things online cos some people are not sane enough in the world and would resort to do the extreme things in life with no care or whatsoever about the consequences, may it be jail time or even death im pretty sure before ammar and malrine became pros, they were already infamous for talking shit to other ppl and there has been some issues where they told others that their mother should die or telling kys. sooner or later someone will snap off and might literally just go to a venue and shoot to kill them because of that. talking shit to others = bad, physical harm to others = bad , threatening others safety = bad
if its game, then trash talk about game. if you go far beyond that, nah ofc you'll get consequences. people are feeling safe typing everything behind monitor, try that face to face
@@ytaiku yeah in a perfect "ideal" world, no one should be toxic, and no one should harm others or threaten others life for that reason but in a "real" world scenario, people get emotional and unnoticedly will say shit things to other people, which also causes another problem since the people receiving that might interpret it as something else, either positively by ignoring or muting them in chat or just be mature enough to let it slide. but what if a person is mentally crazy and unhinged and react negatively and decides to go to a venue to where that player is playing, and decides to unleash hell & death to others, that would be the worst case scenario.
😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨 people think they can literally insult people online over and over and over and face zero consequences lol ATF is the greatest exponent of nerds behind the computer.... Aggressive on the keyboard and brave with his friends but simply a total coward when he is alone against his opponent, a hypocrite who throws the stone but hides his hand.🤦♂🤦♂ But once again VALVE or the responsible organization will not take impartial measures but quite the opposite... They will support one side as always in all types of justice, ridiculous.😪😪😪
These eSports players should experience real life walrus punch at least once in their whole playing career LOL. At least not by other people or fans. Just between players 😂
toxic is every where.... u no need bash every one u see... the toxic u see depends on u see what they way... u can say FUCKER... but some ppl not say that toxic... u can say ASS HOLE some ppl get easily triggered.... so what sunneiko ?
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"Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it." -Mike Tyson
exactly my thought
Gorgc feels threatened, every trashtalk he did flashed before his eyes. He saw himself on Ammar and knew he himself wouldn't also be able to back it up irl.
Thats why Quinn was so vocal
Wdym back it up IRL? Did Ammar say that Sonneiko is weak ingame or in real life? If so then what is Sonneiko trying to prove here? He is bad in dota so he has to resort in IRL beatings? Clearly sonneiko is also good at dota and also has great achievement, the fact that he has so fragile ego that he feels insulted over some "braindead" comment is destroying his legacy.
@@raymonddicksen2043 It means don't hide behind a computer. Everyones gotten so tough on the internet but rarely confronted. I don't think there should be violence though.
@@raymonddicksen2043 you need to go outside, if people call you braindead and you don't square up, then you might actually be one. just because people say something bad about you and it's not according to your strength doesn't mean things won't escalate base on strength lmao.
@@MasculineIdeal You are comparing people backseating UFC fighter or athletes with this case.
Ammar didn't say that he can beat Sonneiko IRL or anything. Ammar is strictly talking about the game and sonneiko is playing like a braindead player.
The one acting tough here is Sonneiko, coming after 19 years old threatening to beat him up just to be suprised that Ammar isn't scared of him. And he didn't even fuckin punch him and resort to "friendly gesture" statement.
Sonneiko is a man of his words 👏 Very rare in the real world
What words? Ammar was waiting for him to pull a punch but he got nervous
Ofc he did
1. They were in public, watched by everyone
2. If Sonneiko didn't hold back, it could risk his own career@@InfinityStein
Simple reason, right?
well he didn't punch so he's not true to his words. he literally said right "I will punch you in the face" but he didn't so what man are you talking about. ahahaha! commend the man when he punch him really in the face ok
@@Test-mq8ih so whats the point here? ACT tough to a kid? Lol
you have the same fragile ego as sonneiko? hahahaha 3months ago called him braindead and hes still angry ammar living rent free in his head lol grown man cant take some trashtalk hahaha
Definitely not appropriate to threathen somone in the competition, and his reaction is extreme. However, this is a good topic to talk about how people feel entitled to be protected from accountability when you say stupid things online. I think this generation got used to having no consequences when you say stupid things. In a very real setting, you could get beat up for saying the wrong things (the gravity of what you said doesn't matter to some people) and people forget that this is reality and it was like this before the internet. That's why the reasonable rule is to never say anything that you wouldn't say to someone's face.
I think banter/trash talk is fine but you shouldn't feel entitled to be protected from accountability once it further escalates. It's a very chronically online mindset.
sabi mo eh 🫡
If the trashtalk was a single "braindead" from 3 months ago then youre just being stupid to ask someone a decade younger that you would punch him. Lmao
Atf is a god, he can say whatever he wants to anyone, even to that old man without sonneiko ability
It is a fucking online videogame lmao , he can say whatever fhe hell he wnats especially when he is not saying racist,homo, etc and just calling you bad in insults.
@@annderchayannepochitazunig4491then by your logic, if you're stronger in real life then you're allowed to do whatever you want on someone in real life including physical assault . Fucking braindead comment.
For those who r defending ATF, keep in mind that year ago he promised to break BZM's face if they meet in LAN. So why he is not punished?! Or threat in direct communication is more important than over remote communication?!
Theyre ex teammates and friends it.was. joke
Uhh cause that's just how best friends talk to each other?!
It was a joke tf they are friends
and he never did it right so what's your problem? trash talking is part of the game so grow up
Well he didnt literally break his face though
After reading Sonneiko tweet I kinda feel bad for him. Skitter and falcons provoked him, insulting him verbally so they can play the victim card, and they did. They tried to remove sonneiko from tournament
Compared to Ammar, Sonneiko is actually a chill guy in pubs, for him to actually confront him irl pretty sure it's not just simple bm ingame
Skiter seems like a guy that would make things worse just like what happened with toronto...he keeps putting oil to the flame
Well we don't know the truth, both sides have their story its probably somewhere in the middle
@@MasculineIdeal the truth is in front of your eyes. Sonneiko release all the screenshot dms. You can judge by yourself
@@ZagaLives He released DMs between him and Ammar yeah, but we don't really know what was said in person. Did you read the DMs all he said was he'll confront him in person
@@MasculineIdeal man stfu, you tolerate trash behaviour and cry about the consequences.
They should box in a ring id pay for that
Sonneiko should do it after event end not when event still running
It's now gonna happen because they team will leave the event early and team falcon will proceed
keyboard warriors when they got confronted IRL rofl
U think ammar afraid? He talk shit cuz he know he's good. Top 4 ti and who soneiko again? Prove u're better. If you want physical competitive go boxing. Asking out the hotel to prove who's stronger is Childish bullshit behavior
@@RemakePondationand u approve atf toxicity behavior? that's also childish behavior he's good at dota i know but he should know that there are people who's easily irritated just like sonneiko, atf should learn from this not to go overboard
@@Yoppppol are you new to dota? Even since dota 1 trash talking is part of the game. Just prove u're better or mute if u can't handle the trash talk. as simple as that. People tipping ammar to piss him off also part of the game. They just laugh when ammar goes malding. Ammar is a kid, asking a kid to fight just prove soneiko is immature as someone who compete in dota for a long time
@@Yoppppol Sonneiko was not right. But yeah the kid like sonneiko, malrine needs discipline. This generation kids think they can type anything in internet and get away with it. They are pros, not some random players.
@@RemakePondation wtf u yapping about lol. Atf is known for his omega toxic behaviour trashtalking all chat nonstop in pub games. It's not his first time getting confronted, last year Fishman, Torontotokya and many more confronted him aswell. Did you only started following pro dota since yesterday? Calling Sonneiko childish behaviour rofl, he's the least toxic person in pro dota. About time ATF got beat up IRL, that kid has got zero manners.
How about pro players actually start becoming role models (or at least decent human beings) and stop being toxic in game or threaten others irl? That should solve the issue.
I for one don’t feel bad for ATF at all. He’s one of the most vocal toxic player so it’s just a matter of time that someone like Sonneiko loses it. Just because it’s over the internet doesn’t mean there should be no consequences whatsoever. Imagine if ATF (or anyone really) randomly screams at someone on the streets and call them “braindead”, try to guess what’s the most obvious respond would be? Yes, a threat.
Why atf picture looks like
Ammar The Friendly
Average keyboard warrior irl
ammar get lesson
sonneiko get lesson + punished
dota full of toxic, doesnt mean had to threatens and violence. once enough for prevent later ty
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@@Jupex 😂
Agreed, unfortunately trash talk is part of Dota. You can not take it to heart.
just say "Sorry" LOL
thats what he get for talking shit online, if you talk a lot online you should be able to back it up irl, you're also like this gorgc be careful
Mike Tyson said: Social media made y'all way too comfortable with disrespecting people and not getting punched in the face for it
Armel was also threatened to punch him in lan by sonneiko when armel apparently only told him in pub was "what the fuck are you doing?". They also said sonneiko is a nice guy but just malds when trashtalked. Dude has anger issues
grand finals: ??? vs. ???
finals: Abed vs. Sonneiko
lower bracket: Gabbi vs. ATF
PLACE YOUR BETS!!!
You should filter your punch lines to people. Otherwise be ready to answer
aight, pussy
They're pro players playing for an organization it's bad image and you can't just physically assault someone trash talks are normal in game this is just silly doing it in an event.
Unfortunately he can 😅. That's the best thing about these pros. None of them are tough in real life
@@tuckerwillexposeyou
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@@davidschuster5670 these people are stylish for you? LMAO
bro i dont know why some ppl like you think ATF is a gladiator from rome and he killed 1k ppl in biggest arena of rome he just playing dota2 why would he even fight irl @@tuckerwillexposeyou
So it’s not bad image to be a consistently toxic douchebag in pubs? 😂
Let’s not have double standards here. Pros should just play the game and not create any problems, irrespective of whether it’s over the internet or irl. It’s dumb to say that people can act however they want online but not offline, that is the exact logic that people who spread hate speech on a daily basis use.
lesson for sonneiko get bertter at dota
lesson for ammar slowdown the trashtalking xD
toxic is every where.... u no need bash every one u see... the toxic u see depends on u see what they way... u can say FUCKER... but some ppl not say that toxic... u can say ASS HOLE some ppl get easily triggered.... so what sunneiko ?
In sea cafes late 2000's betting dota 1 games are so rampant, that I can still remember as clear as day the dude beside me got slapped with a keyboard in the face for trashtalking and it turned up into a brawl. I remember some keys flung and it hit me lol I was just playing ragnarok farming royal jellies for war of emperium. 😂😂 Good times
Put in the ground - means he will make Ammar fall to the ground, mate .
according to most russian speaking in VK or pikabu its a way of slavic ppl of implying to kill someone by putting in the ground.
but dont take my word im just a random person who knows nothing
From America. "In" the ground means killing or putting someone 6ft under. Which is also killing them. Because they're dead. Deceased. Expired.
Dota or any sports or esports is a mind game. TT are part of the game IN ALL SPORTS if you cant handle it then simply mute or dont play. Like LGD did vs OG.
He had it coming for so long. Someone finally did it 🤣
How of Man Child are you to threathen people IRL just because somebody all chat you in a pub?
@@deomikhailangelonunez5789 how is that a man child move? That's how men resolve altercation since the dawn of time. What's a man child move is saying something online that's clearly out of the line then not being able to back it off.
@@tuckerwillexposeyoudude is like 8 years older than him. He managed to out-manchild a 19 y.o. 😂
@@tuckerwillexposeyouthat's caveman mentality, regardless of banter toxic or not things like these should not escalate outside the game, if you get triggered from receiving insults on the internet you need to actually re-evaluate your life, threatening to kill and punch a 19yo cause they called you ''braindead'' is actually cringe and embarrasing.
@@dauzjinonline so? I've seen guys his age who could fight. He's just weak and he's a nerd that's it.
whatever happens in-game should stay in-game.
This stance only hurts the community by creating and encouraging more and more toxics who have no control over their speech and who think that everything is allowed on the internet. "It's just a game, why so mad!?" - a poor excuse for those who can't answer for what they say.
Responsibility for what is said on the internet should be the same as it is in life.
@@yeeyzof course why mad over something you can't control, if someone toxic at me I can just ignore them by blocking them 😮💨. If they are toxic, just make them tilted lol
@@RabiRabii-fp1ftyou can control it by making someone know what they get for being a smart mouth. Insult a man verbally or via online. Be sure to be prepared for what to come
yeahh wait until u triggered some psychopaths on9 that might actually find and hurt u in irl..
Thats the function of muted button
life lesson for ATF
Ammars team should've backed him up🙂... no one is touching my teammate
Cant take banter in games, escalate into real life, cringe.
after reading what you said, it made me think about 1 event where an infamous youtuber (some say a trashtalker in youtube) had banter and poke a cartel and got unalived by some ppl or probably hitmen.
so yeah! hopefully this can also be a lesson that people should be careful on saying things online cos some people are not sane enough in the world and would resort to do the extreme things in life with no care or whatsoever about the consequences, may it be jail time or even death
im pretty sure before ammar and malrine became pros, they were already infamous for talking shit to other ppl and there has been some issues where they told others that their mother should die or telling kys. sooner or later someone will snap off and might literally just go to a venue and shoot to kill them because of that.
talking shit to others = bad, physical harm to others = bad , threatening others safety = bad
if its game, then trash talk about game. if you go far beyond that, nah ofc you'll get consequences. people are feeling safe typing everything behind monitor, try that face to face
@@ytaiku yeah in a perfect "ideal" world, no one should be toxic, and no one should harm others or threaten others life for that reason
but in a "real" world scenario, people get emotional and unnoticedly will say shit things to other people, which also causes another problem since the people receiving that might interpret it as something else, either positively by ignoring or muting them in chat or just be mature enough to let it slide.
but what if a person is mentally crazy and unhinged and react negatively and decides to go to a venue to where that player is playing, and decides to unleash hell & death to others, that would be the worst case scenario.
>calling people braindead
>"cant take banter"
are you one of those braindead people too? 😭
@@bwanifulcan't they just block them or mute them ?
Sonneiko is just trash talking IRL 😂
Hey if you talk shit to people online, you also must prepare for the consequences irl
seems other falcon member enjoy watching he threat ammar 😅
Typical keyboard warriors when being confronted irl. You just stood their like a statue and play the victim card and report to your organization.
Real man sonneiko
ATF KEYBOARD WORRIER
Who is the guy on our left on the photo? Is that Charles Berthoud?
i think that’s cr1t
@@artyom8456 thanks, he looks just like Charles in this photo!
It’s Charles Bertholdt from attack on titan
@@aleka6080 Omg, are you sure it's not Charles Bortholio from the room
😮💨😮💨😮💨😮💨
people think they can literally insult people online over and over and over and face zero consequences lol
ATF is the greatest exponent of nerds behind the computer.... Aggressive on the keyboard and brave with his friends but simply a total coward when he is alone against his opponent, a hypocrite who throws the stone but hides his hand.🤦♂🤦♂
But once again VALVE or the responsible organization will not take impartial measures but quite the opposite... They will support one side as always in all types of justice, ridiculous.😪😪😪
These eSports players should experience real life walrus punch at least once in their whole playing career LOL. At least not by other people or fans. Just between players 😂
Dont trashtalk if you know the person irl 😂 especially when you cant fight 😂
gen z and kids these days dont know accountability because they type behind keyboard or smartphone
Ammar is kind of arrogant person. For me. ATF should watch is words sometimes not all people or player are same mindset of attitude
Funny how soft the Dota scene is 😂
Bunch of nerds acting tough lmao
putting your arm around someone is already considered a harassment, the punishment was soft
cant believe sonneko still in tournament.... he should be banned
You are such a pussy
Weak mentality soneiko
small heart haha
toxic is every where.... u no need bash every one u see... the toxic u see depends on u see what they way... u can say FUCKER... but some ppl not say that toxic... u can say ASS HOLE some ppl get easily triggered.... so what sunneiko ?
There is dota feature : muted button if they dont know
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