LOTR: THE RINGS OF POWER | Comic Con 2022 [Mega Panel Pt 4 of 6] Conversation with 1st Group of Cast
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"Beginning in a time of relative peace, we follow an ensemble cast of characters as they confront the re-emergence of evil to Middle-earth. From the darkest depths of the Misty Mountains, to the majestic forests of Lindon, to the breathtaking island kingdom of Númenor, to the furthest reaches of the map, these kingdoms and characters will carve out legacies that live on long after they are gone."
The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power: Created by Patrick McKay, John D. Payne and stars an ensemble cast including: Robert Aramayo, Benjamin Walker, Charles Edward, Owain Arthur, Sophia Nomvete, Ismael Cruz Cordova, Nazanin Boniadi, Tyroe Muhafidin, Dylan Smith, Sara Zwangobani, Megan Richards, Markella Kavenagh, Daniel Weyman, Morfydd Clark, Charlie Vickers, Cynthia Addai-Robinson, Trystan Gravelle, Leon Wadham, Ema Horvath, Lloyd Owen, & Maxim Baldry.
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"First female dwarf"
So we're completely ignoring The Hobbit, are we?
and the film Willow.
Ignoring the film trilogy of The Hobbit isn't a bad idea in and of itself.
@@takatamiyagawa5688 I put off watching that for years after having been disappointed with aspects of the LOTR adaptation and hearing many awful things about The Hobbit. I was obsessed with The Hobbit book since my earliest memories and had a cassette tape with the story on read by Martin Shaw which I literally wore out. I knew huge parts of the book (and all the songs) off by heart :D
Imagine my surprise when I finally watched the extended versions of The Hobbit trilogy last year to find large amounts of the book adapted almost word-for-word onscreen, which is something that didn't happen in LOTR. I could predict much of the dialogue in scenes from the book because they were using a lot of dialogue originally written down by Tolkien. Whole scenes played out very closely to what happened in the book in the extended versions, including the song adaptations.
If you take out all the added nonsense (I agree, there is too much of it which was also an issue in LOTR) you actually have a very faithful book adaptation, unlike LOTR which removed huge aspects of the original story to add their own nonsense version of events.
I ended up showing my mum The Hobbit trilogy (who was a Tolkien fan decades before I was) and she also was shocked at how much closer to the book the adaptation is than LOTR was - based on what everyone said we expected an entirely made up story!!!
I just ignore the nonsense parts of The Hobbit because it's amazing seeing entire chapters of a book I loved so much as a kid adapted faithfully onscreen. It's a shame the ridiculous stuff, and an over-reliance on CGI, put so many people off. But I do understand their feelings even if I don't agree. :)
@@Vexarax the production had issues and too much cgi was added but at its core I also believe is a good adaptation and love them a lot :')
she meant to say - first Beautiful Black WHAAAMEN
I guess all the female dwarfs in The Hobbit don’t count. Not Lord of the rings but the movie Willow depicted female dwarfs as well
and all the female dwarves in all the other movies don't count too apparently?
they were beautiful black WHAAMENS! that's what she meant to say
Black elves in dungeons and dragons are like 👀👀👀
well if we want to get technical, yeah we "saw" female Dwarves in the Hobbit movies, but only in crowd shots, and Disa is certainly 'the first female Dwarf CHARACTER With Speaking Lines" so... (shrug)
@@thedragondemands5186 but this one should have hair in her face if she wants to be representative and inclusive
"Dis was the daughter of Thrain II. She is the only dwarf-woman named in these histories." App A LOTR. Dis not Disa.
Congrats, dumdum. You’ve finally figured out what we all knew, that this is a new character.
Was she trans?
@@a.t.c.3862 No.
@@ecthelionofthefountain8267
I am glad.
" We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we weren't going to put any of our own politics, our own messages or our own themes into these movies. What we were trying to do was to analyze what was important to Tolkien and to try to honor that. In a way, we were trying to make these films for him, not for ourselves."
- Peter Jackson
"It was very important that what he was creating was not an allegory. He was not commenting on historical events of his time or another time. He was not trying to transmit a message that spoke to contemporary politics. He wanted to create a mythos that was timeless, and would be applicable - that was his word, 'applicable' - the applicability across times. Every single choice we’ve made at every turn of making this show has been to be faithful to that aspiration, because that’s what we want as viewers. We don’t want to adapt the material in a way that might feel dated. We aspire to being timeless. That’s why these books still speak to people so much, because so much of what’s in them has not aged a day. And we aspire to do the same thing. And I think we feel that once people see the show, and see what the stories and characters and worlds are in context, they’ll feel the same way."
- Patrick McKay & J.D. Payne
@@leithskilling552 thorins grandmother being black is very political. im very sure that Tolkien never wrote it or intended it that way,he wanted to create english mythology,why would he write black dwarfs and hobbits into that.
@@botondbata5536 well, leaving aside the fact that Disa is probably more like Thorin's great-great-great-great grandmother, there's nothing inherently political about a Black woman merely existing in a fantasy world, amongst a race of entirely fantastical characters such as the Dwarves. Medieval Europe and England specifically was more diverse than Tolkien himself was probably aware of at the time he was writing, but as we learn more about that time period ourselves, shouldn't we aim to more accurately depict it if that is or was Tolkien's intention?
@@leithskilling552 the way you suppose that medieval Europe was more diverse than at the time of Tolkien is really confusing. There is some evidence for other than white people living in medieval Europe, which is being presented do be like modern day London. I think that the historical knowledge of the professor is probably better than yours, and if now is very popular to present medieval Europe as very diverse, let me tell you there were no black royalty as is the popular representation of the thing lately. So for yoy to say that medieval europe was more diverse than Tolkien believed, becouse now you of all people have the lost historical knowledge that they couldn't properly deduct in the dark ages of the 50's.... this is ridiculous!
I think Tolkien did his research. And by the way, can you point me the reasons why would medieval Europe be more diverse than mid 20th century Europe?
@@martinmirchev4948 hmm, I'm not sure where in my original comment I said that Medieval Europe was more diverse than mid-20th Century Europe, but just to be clear...I didn't. I said it was more diverse than Tolkien was likely aware of, which I believe to be true given that archeology is a field in which we are constantly gaining new information and much has been discovered in just the past decade or two decades. As for why Disa, a Dwarven princess, is Black (since that appears to be at the heart of your argument), I'm once again going to point out that Dwarves are an entirely fictitious people of whom we've seen very very little in Tolkien's written works. Most of what we know regards the clan of the Longbeards, Durin's folk, and we know virtually nothing about the other clans who lived in the west, east, and north of Middle-earth (or whether there were marriages between members of these clans; we don't actually know if Disa is from Khazad-dûm originally).
"So, tell us about your characters".
All actors give a round-up of their characters, their place in the story and emotional stakes in Middle Earth.
"And tell us about Disa".
...
"She's a woman".
I know, the other actors sounded very good and grounded in the themes of their characters, but what she said set a lot of alarm bells ringing. Hopefully that doesn't translate into the show, but I have a feeling that the thriving dwarvish culture that I was excited to see might be tainted by yet another domineering "strong female character."
"So, I noticed some fancy embroidery on your armor, is that a call back to the tree ents?"
"How would I know? Ask the guy that made it"
@@m.c.murdoch6 Tbh that one is fair, how are they supposed to know? I would play it safe too, if you give an answer that's wrong then you can get in trouble
while the statement, that Sophia Nomvete would represent the first female dwarf is simply incorrect, there were female dwarfs in the Hobbit trilogy, she is the first black dwarf in a film about Tolkien and the first beardless dwarf in a film about Tolkien, she was not the first female dwarf in Tolkien's world, there were other female dwarfs in the actual lore.
I think your statement is also incorrect. There may have been female dwarves in the trilogy but were their parts major? (Not sure if you mean book or movie version) Being a different skin tone is actually minor. Let's critique her performance before we start talking about skin hues of imaginative races.
@@TheTwinklinglilstar it would be interesting, if she knew, that dwarf races of Tolkien were based on 7 old Slavic tribes, who got extinct in the expanse of Christian believe in eastern Europa, so they got colonised and Christianised to cultural death, comparable to experience of many African cultures prior to colonialism and her own Jamaican ancestors. The policy of diversity of Amazon is based on respect and it would disrespect this actress to use her skin colour for fake-diversity, without realising the full potential of her identity and her own cultural backstory with her role.
In my view, it is disrespectful to her by Amazon to ignore these connections, because they don't really care about her need to understand dwarf culture and potential access to this culture by her own cultural history.
female dwarf roles in the trilogy were never seen. they were seen in the Hobbit movies as citizens of dale and Erebor, refugees of Erebor in the attack and some other minor shots and as the remains of trapped victims of the dragons. Maybe they are not major for the actors, because they had no speaking roles (like most actors in these movies), but the significance of the trapped victims were quite huge for the plot of the second movie.
In the books the role of female Dwarfs were even more significant. In the Battle of Azanulbizar, one of the 7 dwarf tribes were lead by a dwarf woman. This tribe is famous for their thick black dwarf beards (including her beard)
@@TheTwinklinglilstar Just want to jump in by saying that Apollo is more or less correct, the actress literally says she is the first female dwarf to ever appear on screen for something related to Middle Earth when she is wrong ,as Apollo stated we saw female background Dwarf characters in the opening of the Hobbit around Dale and fleeing Erebor, so if anything she's just going to be the first main female Dwarf character we see instead of the very first ever female Dwarf, I can't say however though for the written source material.
@@apollomars1678 Goodness, you are tedious.
@@BTSSPARATAN Previous female dwarves were just extras and were not named characters. Edit: I see you already said that. Nevermind.
Welshness new to dwarves? John Rhys-Davies now has an axe to grind
LOL I'm the one who shouted Eärendil at 0:42 . For the record, my pronunciation of Eärendil (i.e. eh-ah-REHN-deel) IS correct according to the Appendix E stress/emphasis rules for Sindarin/Quenya. I didn't appreciate being yelled at by a celebrity as if I was "WRONG!" in a room of 5000+ super-fans. Especially when said celebrity mispronounced Fëanor minutes later. I legit loved seeing Colbert's obvious passion for Tolkien on full display for this entire presentation, but that felt like a low blow when I'm not wrong. xD Fight me, Stephen!
Too cool! I knew you were right and he was wrong, but no biggie. The dialect coach from “rings of power” called him out in an interview a few weeks ago as being not that great in his pronunciation. Nice job!
@@ClaytonStone895 I hadn't seen that interview! I'll have to try to track it down. I might make a compilation if I'm feeling catty.
@@WizardWayKris Leath McPherson mentioned him on the “Rings of Power Wrapup” podcast on the 18 July episode (“Goodliness of Speechcraft: An Interview with Leith McPherson”). She’s a joy. (She also does an interview on the Digital Tolkien project - highly recommended.)
Yeah I was like wtf you were correct lmfao.
Chill out it was a joke. He does that to everyone. You are correct though. "Fight me, Stephen!" lmao :)
The Message!!!!!
Even The Witcher s.2 which was released last year had a female dwarf WITH a beard. Which was the only thing Netflix did right...
I understand that they want to erase the past, but that is like 7 months ago wth...
yep and there's a movie from in the past decade which has two female dwarves as main cast members, and all the dwarf women shown fleeing in The Hobbit trilogy too.
Sorry to be that guy, but Colbert was unfortunately wrong; Eärendil is stressed on the penultimate syllable, so it would be pronounced something like ay-ah-REN-dil (instead of ay-AH-ren-dil, like Colbert suggests).
True. Sindarin stress falls much like in latin, for those familiar with that language. The stress falls on the penultimate syllable if it a) has a long vowel or b) ends in a consonant.
@@matiz107 Thank you, I should have included that explanation in my answer. I would also add that the stress (usually) falls in the first syllable of words with only two syllables, as in "Balrog", "Elrond", "Minas", etc.
I mean, yeah, but he's making a joke to get laughs.
@@AJTalksNerd dosen't mean we can't be educated. Thank you op for this comment. That wqs really interesting.
Hey! I was the person who shouted the correct answer from the fifth row. LOL Glad to see I wasn't alone. Stephen can fight me on this one. I teach Neo-Sindarin on TikTok. There ARE arguments to be made for eh-AH-rehn-deel, but it has to do with the Tengwar, not the meter of the poems. According to the stress rules laid out in Appendix E, eh-ah-REHN-deel is correct. (Yes, I know he was just making a joke, but it didn't feel great for it to be at my expense in front of a 5000+ audience of mega-fans, especially when I wasn't wrong. We now have official--albeit playful--beef. He can meet me in the Applebee's parking lot. xD)
Can it be worse than Wheel of Time?
World will never no because no sane person will be watching this :D
No. Fortunately. Or is it unfortunate?
it's already worse and it hasn't even come out yet
i did not watch wow so i dont know
Yes 😅
I remember there being female dwarfs in the hobbit.
These people are lying to us...
there have been heaps of movies with female dwarves... I'm so confused
@@Vexarax
They are trying to win diversity points, its kinda sad.
@@Arborist5851 they could have at least tried harder and said first _black_ female dwarf (though there's a snow white movie with a black female dwarf lol) ..but "first female dwarf" - Such a bizarre statement.
@@Vexarax
Thats a good point, they obviously didn't do a lot of research. Not a good sign.
I'm hope full this will be a good show, I love Tolkien's word, but this is starting to look like bad fan fiction.
Lying , but yes
No she´s not the first dwarf women on the screen... why is she lying???? There were Dwarf women in The Hobbit movies
Where?
@@calebsilvergleid9797 in the begining
First major character- but they didn’t have names or speaking roles, so she might as well say the first
@@rightfulkingofgondor4792 she should have said the first female dwarf character. There is a totally different meaning if you just say 'first dwarf women'
It's also, not Tolkien's work.
Poor Tolkien, they're pissing on his legacy.
Then read the book instead and let people enjoy it.
poisoning start
TF, 😄Then don't watch. Some of you take this way too seriously. Produce your own show and televise.
@@TheTwinklinglilstar yes we do because they associate this with Tolkien and its not right,they ve put their politics into it.i mean thorins grandmother is black come on,he never wrote about black dwarfs,hobbits
@@botondbata5536 True, but I mean I don't think it's a big deal. Skin hue is the least of our problems from an imaginative race. Let's hope it's a great story 👍🏻. But to each their own.
Oh man, Gil-Galad reciting the poem was surreal!
And such an awesome voice! I’d love for him to give a really full-throated reading of the poem some time.
Is he the same actor from the film? The guy is exacly like PJ's Gil-Galad.
@@brasilogiatrivial8656 No, he's a different actor, just smart casting
Man these people in the crowd are not fans . Bunch of sheeps . The fact that they’re cheering for something not even related to JRT work .
Hate to spoil it for you they are all paid to be there and clapp
is it really that big of a surprise? it's obvious who frequents these kinds of events
@@tomino5201 In the good old days you had to pay to clap. Paid to be an audience member, and yes they 100% tell you when to laugh, when to stop laughing, when to clap, when to stop clapping, etc.
Ah yes, you seem to be a real fan, typing "JRT" instead of "JRRT." Embarrassing.
Destroying the Lore much, Amazon? Up your nose with a rubber hose! Bad acting ... bad stories ... bad CGI ... Bad directing and all to take a big dump on the #1 fantasy writer of all time ...JRRT! Your damage control has a vile stench as well .. Boycott Amazon!
Honestly people hating this show without giving it a chance is just stupid
Well they were right, Just finished the series and it was pretty dire.
I love how Owain speaks Welsh to the crowd. Tolkien took many elements from Welsh when he created the elvish languages
Grey-elven is based on Welsh. High elven is based on Finnish.
i love how they looked for experts on tiktok to learn about Tolkien's work. truly hard working and amazing job by 🤣😭 i cant..
You’re proud of yourself aren’t you for being so smart eh? Save it for google
Bunch of buffons!!!!
First female dwarf? Out of the way, peck!
Yes there have even been movies with female dwarves as main characters in recent times let alone going all the way back to Willow!
@@Vexarax I KNOW I SEEN HEAPS
Gotta say, haven't been a big fan of Colbert the last few years, but I will never stop looking up to him for his love of Tolkien.
He thinks its problematic tho
when the only thing to sell your series is its wokeness and diversity you've got problems.
The first female dwarfs on screen are in WILLOW.
Also are in The hobbit and LOTR during flashbacks.
"Disa the first female Dwarf we have seen in the works of Tolkien". Probably means "in Amazon's soulless algorithm".
damn gil galad is on point
all i hear from these people is how important it was to make tolkien more like them
If that's all you hear, then you are completely lost.
@@brooksboy78 i think i'm spot on and the current like/dislike ratio (460 : 2,500) agrees with me. perhaps you are lost. and took a wrong turn back there somewhere. buh-bye!
@@brooksboy78 Amazon is evil!
@@wirmerflagge999 it's also extremely.. questionable? of them to claim black people can't access Tolkien unless there are black people in it. Isn't that like saying black people can't read? It just seems an odd stance to be so vocal about because as far as I'm aware black people (and Asians, and Indians) have been enjoying both Tolkien's books and the Peter Jackson movies for decades.
And while we are on the topic, if they truly believed what they're saying then why are there no Asians or Indians? Or is it only black people who can't appreciate something unless they're in it? (according to Rings of Power cast and showrunners I mean)
It's just bizarre.
@@Vexarax still waiting for that latino elf, so the mexicans can start watching it too
Thank you for sharing these videos to us who couldn't be there.
This is absolutely laughable. Amazon is gonna bankrupt with this 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Nope they have lots of money but this should be ilegal burning money i more profitable than this :D
Disgusting how they are butchering my beloved Tolkien story 😒. No repect for the man and very much sure and proud of their incompetent work 🤦♀️ Just disgusting to hear that they think they can create such crap and call it canonical.
Just do what we will do dont watch it you now it will be WOKE and Bad
Charles Edwards as Celebrimbor is growing on me. He doesn't look at all likr how I've imagined but he certainly has that elegancy and wit worthy of the grandson of Feänor.
Same.
I recently saw him in another show and he is a fine actor.
I did think he was too old for the role, and then found out he is a year younger than me.
So of course I now take personal offence to those unkind people calling him Canhefartmore.
I think the issue many people have is that Tolkien explicitly and repeatedly stated that elves don't show signs of age the way humans do. Even late into the Third Age, Galadriel and Elrond still have youthful faces, their age is only shown in their eyes. Elves do eventually begin to fade, as the fire of their spirit consumes their body - but it takes thousands upon thousands of years (ie Cidran at the end of the Third Age was nearing the end of his final cycle - he's one of the eldest elves alive by that point).
However, there have never really been _entirely_ accurate adaptations of Tolkien's elves - they sort of always look too "human" even though a little CGI could fix those issues (like in the movie Bright - you could tell the elves aren't quite human due to how light falls on their skin and they have a kind of bizarre ethereal beauty - which is how Tolkien described his elves!)
Nothing against the actor himself though, he seems like a great actor! I'm just explaining the lore reasons why many take issue with his casting - there is no way for his character to be old enough to show any signs of aging even if elves did show signs of aging! He's around the same age as Galadriel and they used a very young-looking actress for her :o
Agreed, I guess we will have to simply accept this issue regarding Celebrimbor aging and appearant oldness when he should be much younger, but PJ movies changed many stuff including physical traits from the likes of Aragorn, but the story was beautiful and the acting of Viggo so great that we actually end up loving the character, even if its different from the books.
Here is hoping Celebrimbor's The Rings of Power will follow the same fate, this actor is held in high standards by a lot, lets hope the script and directing helps him.
@@aesir1ases64 of course! Edwards is such a brilliant actor! He's a powerhouse in his own realm, and from what he said in later interviews he seemed to feel very comfortable in his shoes. Septber 2nd here I come!
Thank you for uploading, I am really enjoying these panels!
First female dwarf? There was one in hobbit do your research.Well somenone will get broke :D Pluss 1,6K disslikes you go you :D
there are female dwarves in heaps of movies. I'm so confused lol
No boos, no any unconfortable noises ??
Huh must be filled with Amazon employees.
It would be interesting if some journalist had the courage to ask them:
How do you feel knowing that you are being part of a project so hated by the people who are supposed to love you?
Spot on.
I hope these brave dudes actually exist.
About the first female Dwarf. Its true for Tolkien world but not for the fantasy in cinema. There is Kaiya the dwarvish wife of Willow! The race name is Nelwyn but it is dwarvish race based.
@tcrfelton that's true. But where I can give the credit to the actress is that her character will be well flesh out. For that, I can say that she's not completely wrong.
@tcrfelton first with a name in films (I believe Thorin’s mum is named in the books) and first speaking role, but saying first female dwarf is quicker. She could have said first major female dwarf
and in the first episode of the second season of "the witcher " recently and in "the Hobbit" like 8 years ago !! >> th-cam.com/video/P-Soy2S0MMI/w-d-xo.html
@@Simon-kt2lx she should really change her words, like 1st dwarf with a leading role fits better.
11:00
Bullsh*t
She is not the first ever female dwarf on screen. There were female dwarves in the first part of the Hobbit film trilogy.
11:20
No it's not a name from the legendarium. There was no such beeing named Disa.
There was Dis - mother of Fili and Kili.
I've just completed a video showing 20 dwarven women from cinema history, some of them among the main cast in the movies they appear in! I just have to finish the thumbnail and it'll hopefully be up in the next couple of days. So yeah "the first female dwarf you will ever see on any screen" is just such a bizarre statement to keep repeating :o Did none of them double-check??
also weirdly they didn't go to any effort to make her look like a dwarf. she just looks like a human sitting amongst dwarf men. the men all have prosthetics etc to make them noticeably a race separate from humans, but Disa just looks like a human with a ginourmous wig on :o
I hope we will have some amazon stuff in TV show like employs will piss in bottles :D
403 likes versus 1,400 dislikes currently.
1.8k dislikes now :o
"Here I am" wow! Wow!
That dude claims he loves Middle earth but still he promotes this shit-show ?
And here you are.
@@fireandblood2919 Yup I'm here to tell you that this show will be the biggest flop in tv/streaming history.
@@pexrinne5144 You’re not convincing me of anything, bud.
@@fireandblood2919 Not trying to convince you of anything, just stating facts.
@@pexrinne5144 “facts.” Lol. Who made you Arbiter of what quality television is? You think everyone in the world loves the shows you’re a fan of? Go back to your rage bait TH-camrs and watch them cry over a black elf instead.
I mean they totally could have still gotten Mark Ferguson to play Gil-galad
Boy I sure do hope that Elrond also says "Y'know" 14 times in the show
English ppl loves to say that 😅
yeah im sure they have that written in the script all the time. fucking hell you know this bit isnt scripted right?
@@paulelroy6650 r/woosh
@@simonkolar1698 oh sorry was it a joke. the lack of humour threw me off
OMG!! I loved it when Galadriel declared: "There is a tempest in me! I am quadruple vaccinated and six time boosted against Covid-19 and that is why I can do what I can do," - hot tears started streaming down my cheeks. What a truthful telling of Tolkien's masterpiece! So brave and stunning!! Can't wait to see it
Ok I'm obsessed with them, should've started watching this before 3 am though
You know? ahahahaaha
Sauron looks like Silas from the Da Vinci Code
I don’t think it’s Sauron- I think they’re a member of a cult of morgoth
Not Sauron
You're going to learn the hard way that you don't treat fans like that Amazon and produce crap like that. there are no black dwarves and no black elves in Tolkien's works. Nor is there a warrior Galadriel with a sword. And no black hobbits either...did they all die out after the Second Age or what?
You people are so exhausting. Relax man it's fiction
Does it ever get old just being a bitter hater 24/7?
@@lilchaos4792 English fiction
@@lilchaos4792 And by your logic there can be white people in wakanda
@@lilchaos4792 it's European fiction where Tolkien put hard work into it, it's not just fiction but a masterpiece that should have been preserved with care
This show is dead on arrival
Gil-Galed is going to be so cool :D
Ikr!
So sad i could only hear one voice answering Colbert's trivia when i was expecting this would be a convergence of Tolkien fans.
That’s because most people who call themselves Tolkien fans have at most only read LOTR and the Hobbit, and at least only seen the movies.
When this show proves to not be here just for "the message", I will try to watch it. All I know is that if someone made a movie, say a remake of "the color purple" and changed the color of people, there would be hell to pay. So, when an author makes things a certain way, DONT CHANGE IT!
Very important for Color purple to have black people. Agreed
How is important to have only white people in LOTR?
There’s nothing fundamental about these characters that is race specific. It’s aesthetic at best
@@FilmKiln no, it is EXACTLY about race, and diversity, and "the message". If it were not, then why change it at all? Are you going to claim you have not seen this happening? "Get woke, go broke" is not just a phrase. It is what happens when you put this liberal agenda before the writing, before the story, before character arcs, before what the fans want. Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who, Terminator, MCU, DC, Ghostbusters, MiB, ect... You can't say it is the fans faults for not liking bad movies.
@@FilmKiln who said "only white" people allowed?
@@200_3.6VVT sorry to jump in here bu it's not about then being people of colour or women/different genders as long as they would keep the characters at least a bit true to the actual story or change them but have them be consistent in you own story. Untill now i didn't see that (actually Disa is one of the better examples imo!) But others until now unfortunately not. And i don't blame the actors/actresses at all! But there is still a lot to come so hope is keeping up, also seeing episode 3 & 4 it's getting smaller.
Oh hi, High King Gil-Galad. *swoons*
How can the least interesting Character on the panel talk for so damn long. This whole panel is watching/listening to a major fan of Tolkien's work ask questions to people who don't give two shits about Tolkien, the next 40 people even less shits.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made”
JRR tolkien .
Okay, all for having a dwarf woman with lines, but they still aren’t giving these short characters’ roles to smaller statured actors. And… what about the dwarf woman in the crowd in Dale during the prologue of The Hobbit? The erasure. SHE came first regardless of whether or not she had lines
Agree , might not be a main or secondary character but was still the first onscreen female Dwarf before this Actress's own character.
Part 3?
It was a huge panel with dozens of cast members and moving parts so I put it in one playlist in order to make it easier to digest. Check my playlists. Watch and enjoy.
I genuinely love how Colbert behaves and how engaged he is with the crowd at the start and all. And honestly, as much as I despise what I've seen so far of the show, some of these actors seem like decent people who actually put work into understanding why they are there. Just a shame when the woman ends the video with the sexist remark of "every great man is only great because of a woman". Like, yeesh, we get it, "here you are"
Can't wait to redress the balance. The balance will be redressed when this show fails for cluelessness creating their own fiction based on the name of LOTR while not respecting the lore of Tolkien. .... what a joke, ever heard of uhura ? Nomvete might want to educate herself.
Confirmed, Gil Galad is one of the very few redeemable things of this shit show.
You saw the show? How was it? You a time traveller
@@lilchaos4792 Tell me, have you not seen any of the "teasers" or read any of the articles, and statements made by the people involved in the show? I've seen enough to tell this will suck badly.
@@forests.9597 You’re high - it looks awesome.
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made.” - Tolkien is the new George Orwell, it was a prediction, to THIS!
Owain and Sophia have great chemistry - I can't wait to see their characters!
For sure!
This show will suck and the host of this is a capital insurrectionist
@@ScottyDoesntKnow69 Hush, incel
Jesus christ......Fricking normies....
You’re joking, right? I see no chemistry at all.
Am I alone on this?
My favourite part is all the cultural appropriation.
Gil-Galad actor does sound like an elf king would in my head. But I'm sad about Celebrimbor. Actor's looking like a good man, but casting him was a mistake.
Why? I genuinely don't understand why so many people are criticizing Celebrimbor's actor, he seems fine to me
@@Flash4ML He looks too old and that hair doesn't look elven. He was a smith after all and even tho elves use magic, he should look a bit stronger, just a tiny bit. This Celebrimbor looks old and weak. I can't imagine him slicing through orcs in such a style that elves do.
@@stefankrunic8188 I think you're basing a lot of this off of very little material. I would wait until you actually have an episode to judge from before you start making claims like, "he looks old and weak."
He just doesn't look like an elf. Again, I am not saying he will be horrible, maybe I end up liking him the most, but the whole design around him doesn't look elvish to me. Elves all have long hair and they are immortal, therefore they all look young. Galadriel is older than Celebrimbor, yet she truly looks much younger than him. Elves can 'look' older when they are sick or depressed, but it says nowhere that it was the case with Celebrimbor. We will see when the episodes start, but so far, he looks more like a senator from Star Wars than an elf.
@@stefankrunic8188 I agree that in what we have so far he looks fairly old, but if that is reinforced in the actual show, I believe there will be a reason for that, things like that aren't just aesthetic choices. He may be portrayed as older to eliminate the possibility of he and Galadriel being a thing, maybe he's taking the older role to allow Elrond to take up the more youthful elvish part, there are many possibilities.
As for elves having long hair, I think that was probably Tolkien's overarching vision for them but it doesn't strike me as a drastic change for the elves of this show to have more contemporary styles, and I personally don't mind it. It's very easy to get narrow and close-minded about simple things like that, having an open mind about adaptation just makes things more enjoyable in general.
I think "they are immortal, therefore they all look young," is one such narrow mindset. Why? Why would they all look young? Even if that was explicitly supported by the texts, I would 100% be willing to part with it for the sake of a more coherent show, imagine how hard it would be to create social dynamics between elves if they all looked the exact same age. You're not looking at this practically, from the pov of someone who has to make a good show. Without age how are you supposed to portray the relationship between characters without dumping a bunch of exposition about their backgrounds?
I’m so sad, SO SAD, for those Tolkien fans that turned up, they must have been devastated
God, I love Stephen Colbert lol
It’s so painful watching this
SO FANTASTIC
Elrond is a lot of things -he’s a powerful strong, even kingly elf, descendent of Earendil, influential powerful and the actor only said “orphan” …😐
Well his point is still technically correct. The only time he's ever seen his father is when he crosses the sky as a literal star.
That is Elrond as we meet him in LoTR. He wasn't born that way..
Heh funny that he mentioned "Orphan" - a movie with a female dwarf as literally the main character :p
@@Jagonath that hardly defines what he has done in middle earth though
@@kalm6872 It's typed "Middle-earth."
Never thought I would despise someone than Gollum. Congratulations, Woke LOTR, you've done it.
current dislike 2.2k
This did not age well 😂
"too war"
Harfoots are Hobbits.
They couldnt find younger and better looking actors to cast the ELVES?
Excited as ever
The actors are engaged and well-researched.
@@Chelooby Oh boy... You should lower your expectations lol
@@NatoHoro I can agree with you there.& So far i am not impressed with what they show...and not one iconic Actor we know from movie's are playing here, too many new faces, and we can already tell so far..from what we have seen it's going to flop
Please be kidding.
@@NPC-30 Yoda: The Movie Lotr "Gone" he is..("Consumed") by Darth Politics of Diversity.
Yoda: In exile we must go..Failed i Have
Are you in another relm or we was watching something else? :D
Love this team. They're funny and lovely.
These lovely people creating another crap
funny yes but we're not laughing with them
The lies and insults to Tolkiens works, boycott this crap, it is not Tolkiens vision couldn't be further form it. Amazon can go do one.
Knowledgeable as one can be
What a mess they made
Great cast. It's an absolute delight to hear how passionate they are about Tolkien's work. The major thing is to love what you do and to get involved entirely in it and I think they love what they do and they have a recognition what it truly means to be the part of a great journey into the greatest story ever told.
They are absolutely passionate about changing Tolkien´s work.
What are you talking about? Nothing about thisnis his works
Exactly
@@pexrinne5144 Cope
@@ClaytonStone895 None of us real fans will stand by and watch the professor's works be bastardized and trampled on.
And you will see it from the numbers this show will bring.
This show is going to flop hard. Probably break records for investment to ratings.
People say why everyone is so mean, but because it's cultural appropriation.
Touch grass
@@ClaytonStone895 I do not understand this expression, apparently you agree with me
Because elves and dwarves are real people. You people seriously need therapy.
@@fireandblood2919 what does it mean? do you think you need help?
@@ilamh5078 I’m not the one who’s still crying over a black person pretending to be a fictional character.
Reading this comments section, all I can say is it's amazing how an entirely imaginary world can have the most unimaginative fans I've ever seen. How boring it must be, being able to enjoy a fantasy world only if people of color are completely nonexistent within it. Sadly for you, times change; I think perhaps Tolkien might have acknowledged that somewhere or other in his works?
The fans who are solely complaining about skin colour seem to be trolling, some of them haven't even read the source material (there's a channel making repeated videos complaining about coloured cast members but they haven't read the books). It makes genuine fans, who are unhappy for genuine reasons, look bad.
But the reason many of the rest of us are unhappy is because we _do_ have imaginations, and also have immense love and respect for Tolkien's world.
So when we see the utter lack of imagination and utter lack of respect that's gone into this based on everything the showrunners and cast keep saying, it genuinely hurts. Hence the immense backlash Amazon is experiencing.
A huge budget and great special effects can't make up for the butchery of an amazing body of work.
Diversity is not so much the issue but that the actors seem to keep hinting at the injection of modern day politics which has people reeling. Using Tolkiens base as a platform for pushing a political agenda just to protect the amazon brand is going to ruin this show depending on how far they went with it. I do want the show to succeed but I do have some big reservations.
This show is going to flop hard! It's going to make buzz lightyear look like a success.
I hope this show fails in its own way🤲
It’ll be huge, actually.
@@ClaytonStone895 in what sense a huge failure? I understood you well that we agree
You’re obsessively hating.
@@fireandblood2919 you think 🤔?
@@fireandblood2919, not everything is hating. Stop proclaiming other fans as a hater. They as am I are just concerned...
Colbert is not a happy man.
Working very hard for his money.
These actors are not in love with their characters, as it's becoming abundantly clear there is no theme.
How you managed to reach this conclusion from watching the cast literally reciting poems is beyond me. Enjoy hating for hatings sake...
@@Chelooby +1
Wth did you want them to do? Jump on the chair like Tom Cruise did on Oprah?
@@Chelooby This!!! It’s so obvious they’re just hating for the sake of it.
Based on?
Oh look, the series NO ONE WANTS.