I hope Colbert plays a bumbling seaman on board one of the thousand ships of the Great Armament, and has a front row seat to the cataclysm Eru unleashes upon the world.
Thanks to the actors and actresses for their honest takes on all these great questions! I really hope for them it will turn out great in the future episodes and seasons. Have seen untill 4th now
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
That last question was hilarious lol 🤣 but also deserved too lol. Stephen Colbert treasures the Tolkien universe . It's always fun to watch him geek out over this stuff. Learn alot from him too. I'm surprised he ain't a Tolkien scholar yet lol
I am actually really interested to know Stephens real thoughts on the show so far. Given how invested he is in it, like many of us, I wonder if he'd *actually* want to be part of this project, given what it's doing. But that depends on his true thoughts which I doubt we'll ever hear given his public role.
@@ClaytonStone895 Prob less than he shows publicly, I guess he is excited to see a live action adaptation but we all know that like a true tolkien fan he is worried about some decisions that amazon seems to be choosing, and if those will tarnish what could be a good adaptation.
Thank you for posting, just found it and watched all parts. This panel was great - together with Stephen Colbert who is so well known for his love of Tolkien. I will watch it with great anticipation
11:20 Ehm dear Stephen Colbert aka Mr Silmarilion... Galadriel would definetly NOT wear a crest of Feanor? Related or not, she did not trust him, she did not like him. So if there is a crest of Feanor and she wears armor with this crest...that question was not ridicoulus...
I hated how he played off the question like a joke 🙃 galadriels obvious dislike for feanor is important for the story. They don't care about the lore at all
@@danhun7355 I must see the Show first to be impressed,but i am hyped for now,i had fears,some of them are gone,others are present but i have hope too.we will see how it turns out
Morfydd Clarke seems quite nice and humble. It feels like she recognises how "big" and important her role is. Other actors from the show tend to just focus on "diversity" and what they are bringing to the show
especially the actor who plays Disa; i'm certain she's a good person and is nice in general, but what she said was insufferable in comparison to what others said about their roles. again, no disrespect to her but only to how exaggeratedly she expounded on the importance of her role, especially since she's not the first female dwarf on screen.
@@elck3 Yeah, I would never judge them personally. I dont know them but in regards to the role some of the cast say is (as you say) insufferable. Another example is J. D Payne and Mckaye saying "they had to pinch themselves from the excitement of meeting Tolkiens grandson"... I mean really???
@@elck3 this thread reeks of racism and privilege. maybe she isn’t the first female dwarf on screen but she’ll be the first one with a substantial role and also one of the first people of color to be in an LOTR film/TV series. white dudes loooove to police the Tolkien fandom but people of color belong too. and unlike white dudes, they have almost never seen themselves represented in Tolkien adaptations or in fantasy at large. that’s not right. anyone citing “accuracy” is bullshitting because *it is all made up anyway.* that’s just a way to exclude POC from the fandom and the genre. fortunately, white Tolkien fanatics do not get to have a say in the casting process. y’all are literally making it sound like there have been female dwarf characters with major roles in Tolkien adaptations. you know very well that that is false. stop singling out actors of color, stop policing the fandom, and get over the racism because we are never going back to a world where POC are excluded from film and TV productions. and there’s nothing you can do to stop it. this is 2022, not 1922, and there is no place for racism, misogyny, nor white supremacy in the Tolkien fandom. unless you’re Sauron.
@@sethd6485 1) I’m a POC. I’m Asian. Of course there’s no way for you to know that from my profile, but from as far as I can tell from yours, you are a white dude. 2) You know what’s worse than being “excluded” in film and tv media - by which of course you mean Western media, aka Hollywood? It’s being told by white dudes like you (and white women) how I should think and feel as a POC, especially when it comes to media I consume or literature I read. Isn’t it lovely to have white saviors like you to claim to know and deem what’s worthy and what’s not? As far as I can tell, me and my fellow POCs don’t give a flying f**k about seeing ourselves on screen when it comes to Tolkien’s immensely detailed and richly realized world. I distinctly remember tearing up when I watched Return of the King, taking in the majestic vistas and most importantly the deeply emotional story. Not once during the entire trilogy did I think to myself (nor did any other POC I know .. because of course we all think alike right Seth?) - that “I should like to see myself on screen”. I connected foremost with _the story_ .. i further took film classes in college seeing mostly white faces on screen yet if you were to ask me - why was I in the class when it’s predominantly white media I was consuming, I would have been offended at you for singling me out because I had every right to be there and to love what i loved, in this case Tolkein’s work. 3) Tell me you yourself are the real racist without telling me you are a racist. It’s funny how many times I’ve seen comments from people like you who love to claim to speak for an entire swath of people - the “POCs” - claiming they know how and why they are marginalized. No one is saying this is 1922 nor are people in this comment thread claiming to deny people from being in the show if they are a POC. They are first and foremost desperately hoping the story comes first, because that’s what Tolkien would have wanted. Seeing diverse casting is fine, but not when it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever to include aka to check boxes. If done right, it adds to the story. Some of the best Western media stories are diverse, see Black Panther for example. Because what is your goal? Telling a story? Or promulgating a meta message? It’s clear to everyone that it’s the latter. Next time, think about the biases you yourself hold before painting everyone into a box. It’s you therefore who is the true racist.
How can you dare say you are weaving the way for the next generation? You are not a Tolkien professional, you are not a professor and for you to think so much of yourself as a dwarrowdam that does not even exist in the lore of the author. You think too highly of yourself queen of dwarves. The directors and writers should be ashamed of themselves and a lot of you should have read the books and be respectful of the lifetime creation of professor Tolkien. All of the beautiful characters we knew, you have changed and made them into fake clones. How did Galadriel put all of those helmets into a mountain? So stupid, and you think the dire fans will not band the show, they will, we will. Accessible, every voices....sigh...Have you seen the hobbit movie, they had female dwarves, you are nothing special.
People needs to stop hating on this show before ever watching the first fnk episode!! 🤦♂️ let the show play, if it’s good-great! If not then it sucks. I bet the show will be right in the middle.
It's pretty weird driven by the like of Nerdrotic, G&G etc. If the show turns out to be a turd then fair enough, but so far it's all about there being a coloured Elf and dwarf. The show could be well acted and produced with great stories but it wouldn't matter ...
After many years of trying to understand this hate wagon in general, I just stopped and came to the conclusion that I absolutely hate all fandoms. All of them have toxic and self righteous people that just pour out to others their insecurities and a need to complain endlessly. I love LOTR and Tolkien' world, I hate Tolkien fandom. I love ASOIAF and GOT, but I hate their fandom. I love Star Wars, I hate their fandom. I love Star Trek, I hate their fandom. That's one of the many reason why I do not have social media accounts, besides youtube - because I just want to shut out the absolute hate and bitterness of small and self righteous people from my life. I never needed anyone to tell me if something is good or not. I am the master of my own judgement and nothing anyone will say, can deter that.
@@andreim.5324 actually you only hear about the toxicity because they are the loudest but there is some lovely people in almost every fandoms who care and thinks just like you do you just need to find them ;)
I loved the part when Sauron started saying his palms were sweaty, knees weak, arms heavy, then threw up Morgoth's spaghetti all over his sweater. 13/10 these writers and actors are truly writing the novel Tolkien never could have as the mega-event series that could only happen today. Really embodies what the world really looks like, so many goosebumps.
I got emotional at that part. Then an elf of color passed by and gave the spaghetti to a less fortunate community, the Haradrim, trying to fight hunger and white supremacy.
The Rings of Power’s main characters should’ve been Celebrimbor, the 19 ring bearers, and Sauron. It would’ve been interesting if we meet the nine kings before their transformation into the Nazgul.
@@ryankwon8785 it would be a bunch of new elven characters from Eregion then. I’d much rather have elendil, Pharazon, and isildur, as well as Elrond, Galadriel, and Gil Galad. But to each their own
Considering they aren’t covering the forging of the rings until season 2, we may very well see the 9 in detail before their fall. I suspect some of the Numenoreans we already have seen (Kemen?) will be some of the 9
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
I was starting to feel kinda bad for the people involved in this production because no one sets out to make a bad series but after the way they treat the guy at 10:45 I reckon all bets are off. Even if it's a set up the message sent out by their response is pretty awful.
Amazon's/Jeff Bezos' approach to Tolkien's masterpiece of fantasy was to hire people who had no real love or knowledge of the Middle Earth lore or canon, glom together pieces of The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and the Appendices ignoring timelines and storylines, add made up characters that have no place in the tale and throw a billion dollars worth of CGI at it hoping no one would notice. When everyone who knew anything about Middle Earth noticed, the untalented, PC and woke cast and crew went on the offensive deflecting the justified criticism by attacking the fan base as racist, sexist and bigoted. This was the second clear sign that this project was an abject failure by any standard applied, the first being their own admission that their aim was to "modernize" the tale to appeal to a new audience. In true Hollywood fashion the directors put all of their political baggage and wokeness into a tale about a fantasy pre-history of England that was created by a scholar who devoted a lifetime to develop it in detail greater than any other work of fiction that existed before and certainly since. It was a disastrous formula from the first day. Add to that the bad casting, high school drama club level writing and dialogue, horribly bad editing, confusing timeline compression, complete mish-mash of character development and utter disregard for the canon and lore and you end up with a show that has cutting edge CGI.......and nothing else worthy of mention. They would have been better off making this series 100% CGI and saving three quarters of a billion dollars. TROP is absolute garbage from the first episode. It is not a show that immerses you into the fantasy world of Middle Earth because the characters are so uninspiring and the pace of the story is boring to the point where you simply don't care what's happening you just want it to keep moving in the hope that something good might be coming. So far that has not been the case and we're almost to the end of the first season. This is a clear case of a rich guy thinking his money makes him as much of a literary genius as the true literary genius of Tolkien made Middle Earth. TROP is Bezos' ego on full display destroying the greatest fictional literary work of the 20th century through his complete lack of understanding and love for the tales. The "ner do wells" he hired to help him destroy this masterpiece are all too eager to take his money, stroke his ego and produce a show that has been universally panned by the diehard Tolkien fan base. The reviews have been edited by sites like Rotten Tomatoes to "adjust the numbers" in favor of the show but cannot explain the cavernous gap between their "Tomatometer" rating of 84% (383 critics) and the audience score of 38% (30,393 users). Rotten Tomatoes, and their critic ilk, have lost all credibility here. They have shown themselves to be little more than Amazon shills. In summation, Bezos and his bone-top production cast and crew are a fine example of how money ruins everything it touches. Having money does not make you smarter, more talented or right. It just makes you a more visible asshat. They need to cut their losses and do something far less challenging, more in line with their collective lack of talent like commercials for Wendy's hamburgers or something.
I... so the armour Galadriel wears is not her armour but a gift from someone else? What? I mean, let's disregard for a moment the fact that Galadriel doesn't wear armour in the books and would never wear armour, because she's not a tank or a warrior, but why would she wear armour, even if it's a gift, if it bears the crest of Fëanor? They're feuding! It doesn't make sense! Colbert knows this, he's read the Silmarillion enough times, yet here he is defending it anyway.
They're probably doing a "Fingon and Maedhros" type of thing to fix the division between the two houses. That's the only reason I can think of that would make sense.
Have a lot of hope for the show, a lot more excited about it however i still think the design of the elven armor is lame compared to the movies, i mean the helmets alone are such a disappointment :(
It's a five series, 50 hour story. Obviously they aren't going to show everything in the first trailer. The simple answer is that the Rings don't get forged until the 2nd season, so there's no need for Celeborn just yet.
@@merickurt753 Yes, that's true. And I'm sure he will be her husband in the show as well. They just want to be dramatic and show it... Which they will likely stuff up like most everything else.
Really? The guy trying to humiliate the producers by demanding to know why Galadriel is wearing Feanor's sigil was sent by Amazon? He's right, Galadriel would likely *not* wear Feanor's sigil, she hated that guy.
@@Jagonath It's a tactic. They gave him a "witty" response immediately, didn't they. The whole question was given so they could highlight, that "sticking to the lore is not important".
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made.” - Tolkien is the new George Orwell, it was a prediction, to THIS!
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
People upset about Galadriel in armour with a sword seem to forget that even though she wields magic, she is royalty & would know how to fight hand-to-hand
Almost all the actors seem like very good people and are genuinely excited about the show. The final product, on the other hand, I have much less hope mainly because of the agenda Amazon has behind the show. If they left the creatives alone, i'm sure we would get a much better show than what the trailers seem to allude to..
After watching this panel, I've lost all hope that this series will be anything resembling Tolkien, and nothing more than a horrible perversion of his works, a bastardization if you will.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 You are welcome to do whatever you want mate, I'm writing horrible things based on the horrible portions of the show I've viewed. You don't have a right to tell me what I should or should not do, get it bud? Ok now piss off.
Why has everything to be so mawkish? They talk about everything: the Welsh alphabet, horse riding, the representation of people with disabilities, giving mr Colbert a role, only not about the story in the context of Tolkien's books. It looks really weird.
They aren’t allowed to discuss the story because the production is keeping it under wraps so we are surprised each episode. It’s easier to talk to the cast about the process than try to manage the spoiler stuff.
@@ClaytonStone895 The whole story of the Second Age, including the ending, has been known since 1977. I don't really understand what spoiler stuff they were trying to manage.
It's obviously because they know fuck all about the actual lore and give zero shits about any of it. They only wish to change what has already been made.
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
Sooo entire cast is not familiar with the universe... nice, even worse then what I expected. Did not bother with learning anything, no respect for Tolkien or the fandom, I am disgusted.
How dare you! We all have to cheer and celebrate! They improved Tolkiens world ( I mean... as if he knew anything about wars, creating mythology and such things) and we all should be thankful that FINALLY a company that has never been known for its gold sickness or treating their employees like dirt improves the lore. Forget everything Tolkien had created for decades! Yes. I am too tired to be angry, too tired to joke... I am in a deep lake of cynism... (Or however it is properly written in English..)
@@mithlenfinlass2040 so you are not familiar with the appendices, where they literally talk about how they were "forced" to read the books? Except Aragorn who was brought a little bit late into the movies (and was briefed by his son and PJ)... and then you also did not saw any interview, for example with Pippin and Marry where they talked about what happend after LOTR and they knew everything? Thats what are you saying? Ok.
@@kristynahelgetova8061 I know nearly everything about movies and books. I think you misunderstood me, I ment, that not every actor on the movies knew LOTR well before. So in both casts there are noobs and dearly fans. You said the ENTIRE cast os not familiar, and this is not true.
@@mithlenfinlass2040 I ment the entire cast in this video is not familiar with Tolkiens work enough to understand their role. And thats true. Do you know why? Because they dont care about Tolkien, LOTR or us fans. Even though movies cast dealt with lot of changes as well, it was different time, they did not face such backclash. But now this new cast should think about why we hate it, and try to understand us, instead of just saying that we are racist and we supposed to get of the internet. Btw I have the biggest problem with Galadriel. The deviation is too much. Does she care why fans of Tolkien hate her as Galadriel? No. Did she read the books? No. But she called us racists.
Not gonna Watch it..my expectations is So low... From all the Bad dislikes & Not following Tolkien Vision, I'd rahter watch the Reviews & if the rating from TH-camrs gives it at least a Solid 8 & over, i may consider it
@@stevena.7022 Tastes are different (not on spoiled milk though 😂) .. There were a lot of movies in the past, where critics said they were bad, but I liked them and vice versa. Same with music.
Almost none of these people on the penal have done what they refer to as a "Deep Dive" LOL They are just a bunch of activists and wannabee showrunners pretending ot be some genius creators. What a joke. This is Amazon's Puke show; Cringe of Power,....not Rings of Power.
I really don’t understand why some people are so obsessed with diversity and inclusion forced in. The point is to be immersed in the story not reminded of the real world. If diversity makes sense like brown people in Harad that’s GREAT but to make certain races diverse where it doesn’t makes sense it breaks immersion. Imagine watching Aladdin with a white cast that would be stupid because it doesn’t make sense…
@@ClaytonStone895 how can someone with the name Tolkien Fanatic even type that sentence onto their screen? Tolkien’s world is almost sacred it’s like a beautiful animal or plant that should be taken care of carefully. When 2022 politics injects itself into a timeless tale it removes people from that tale because they are being reminded about 2022 politics and that does a disservice to Tolkien. A black dwarf makes 0.000% sense they live under a mountain out of the sun…that’s woke injection. Now a black Haradrim or settler from Khand makes perfect sense because it’s a desert region and I would love to see that. But this woke shit is what is ruining lots of movies. Look at Top Gun no wokeism and has now beat Avengers at the box office whereas the Last Jedi with wokeism was torn apart.
@@CriticalMach The seven fathers of the dwarves were all CREATED by the vala Aulë and could therefore have had any skin color. By your own logic the dwarves should all be albino from living underground and the elves of Valinor should be dark skinned or tan after living so close to Laurelin. It seems like you just have a problem with diversity in your fantasy media.
@@henningsignarsson152 I have clearly stated that if got to see Khand, Far Harad, Rhun, or Umbar with the approriate races for those regions that would be AWESOME! But to make a black dwarf after our image of Tolkien's dwarves have been the same for decades is 100% just a lets give black females roles. Now the new character Bronwynn from the South I love that they are exploring that region and I love the look of her. My brother is black and I am hispanic so please remind me again how I have a TRUE problem with diversity. The woke mob wants inclusion EVERYWHERE when that actually makes things worse. Human nature is tribal and we flock to those that look/act like us. A black dwarf and a black elf and making Galadriel a warrior princess is 1000% pandering and you know it. Galadriel is so badass she doesnt need to be a warrior like how they are depecting her here. It is purely a WOMEN are strong TOO! When in reality in combat will ALWAYS be a MAN domain.
@@CriticalMach I find it weird you think an exclusively white cast isn't political. An all-white cast isn't "neutral". I'd also like to ask you if you accept actors of Italian or Spanish heritage and Finnish ancestry playing the same "race" is "political", or you draw the line in the skin pigmentation color, and why. Thank you.
I can't wait for the theme song "Breaking the lore" by my favorite band, Judas Shills! Melkor is truly the greatest vocalist of all time, I loved him since he did that cover of that Illuvatar song!
Omg I find that exact same comment in every video about the show hahahaha how boring must your life be that you have to go around every video about the show copying and pasting that pathetic comment trying to tear an amazing work of years down. It’s just sad.
Disgusting how they are butchering my beloved Tolkien story 😒. No repect for the man and very much sure and proud of their incompetent work 🤦♀️ Just disgusting to hear that they think they can create such crap and call it canonical.
@@skyfire872 I have no investment in "TheCanon" but these guys have a point. Few corporate reboots of fantasy worlds have received fair treatment. LOTR was a surprise exception 20 years ago and was a huge hit. Since then it's one trashing after another. We've even took to calling them IPs like we're all copyright lawyers instead of fans.
This is just a bad TV show that missed the boat on the genre by 2 years. GOT was propelled by LOTR. That's long gone. This show desperately needed Tolkien fans, but due to their invented DEI demands they decided to deem us unfit to be involved. So much for true to the tale. I hope they will be happy with their sad narcissistic audience who need to be spoon-fed a story.
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The isildur actor played the bfme games! That's awesome hahaha best lotr game made!
Absolutely agree 👍
10:45 clearly this guy knows more than the showrunners
I hope Colbert plays a bumbling seaman on board one of the thousand ships of the Great Armament, and has a front row seat to the cataclysm Eru unleashes upon the world.
Thanks to the actors and actresses for their honest takes on all these great questions! I really hope for them it will turn out great in the future episodes and seasons. Have seen untill 4th now
Thank you so much for posting all of these! I've been waiting all day to watch this panel.
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
That last part with Stephen was so funny
Can you explain it to me?
@@LudwigWan if u dont get it u dont get it. some jokes cant be explaint bc u wont get it anyway…
@@goodguywithagum I think I got it, I didn't heard it at first time,what did he asked to show runners?
I know Stephen is huge JRR Tolkien fan.
@@LudwigWan he asked to explain it to him…😂
I wish they skipped the audience questions and just let Stephen talk to the rest of the cast.
That last question was hilarious lol 🤣 but also deserved too lol. Stephen Colbert treasures the Tolkien universe . It's always fun to watch him geek out over this stuff. Learn alot from him too. I'm surprised he ain't a Tolkien scholar yet lol
Can you tell me, what did he actually asked??
I am actually really interested to know Stephens real thoughts on the show so far. Given how invested he is in it, like many of us, I wonder if he'd *actually* want to be part of this project, given what it's doing. But that depends on his true thoughts which I doubt we'll ever hear given his public role.
@@Glorfindel_117 He’s likely excited for the show.
No.
@@ClaytonStone895 Prob less than he shows publicly, I guess he is excited to see a live action adaptation but we all know that like a true tolkien fan he is worried about some decisions that amazon seems to be choosing, and if those will tarnish what could be a good adaptation.
Thank you for posting, just found it and watched all parts. This panel was great - together with Stephen Colbert who is so well known for his love of Tolkien. I will watch it with great anticipation
11:20
Ehm dear Stephen Colbert aka Mr Silmarilion...
Galadriel would definetly NOT wear a crest of Feanor? Related or not, she did not trust him, she did not like him. So if there is a crest of Feanor and she wears armor with this crest...that question was not ridicoulus...
I hated how he played off the question like a joke 🙃 galadriels obvious dislike for feanor is important for the story. They don't care about the lore at all
it's not the crest of feanor
Yes! Stephen has a role!
I am officially hyped now after being fearful where thr show goes for so long
This was a great panel
This is all marketing you genius. The questions have been prepared and the answers as well. How easily impressed are you?!
@@danhun7355 I must see the Show first to be impressed,but i am hyped for now,i had fears,some of them are gone,others are present but i have hope too.we will see how it turns out
@@danhun7355 this is true, just like a talk show they probably rehearsed it at least once before the panel.
@@hoger19
Keep your expectations low if you don’t wanna be disappointed…Just some honest advice…
Thanks for posting these; great they found a host that loves Tolkien.
The absolute scorn they had for the question about Galadriel's armor. No wonder most of the fandom won't be watching.
they were so disrespectful
I think I like Morfydd Clarke the most out of the actor panel. Also Tolkien did base the Elvish languages on Welsh and Finnish originally.
There's been a lot of criticism of the casting, but they hit the nail on the head with Galadriel.
@@Jagonath Elendil, Gil Galad and Durin also seem good choices
I suppose you have changed your mind since 🤣
@@lynnm6413 I really hate the series, but trying to find positives. Little did I know what an irritating twit Galadriel would turn into 🤣
@@ecthelionofthefountain8267 Well, even the worst pessimist couldn't have predicted this level of writing and acting
Morfydd Clarke seems quite nice and humble. It feels like she recognises how "big" and important her role is.
Other actors from the show tend to just focus on "diversity" and what they are bringing to the show
especially the actor who plays Disa; i'm certain she's a good person and is nice in general, but what she said was insufferable in comparison to what others said about their roles. again, no disrespect to her but only to how exaggeratedly she expounded on the importance of her role, especially since she's not the first female dwarf on screen.
@@elck3 Yeah, I would never judge them personally. I dont know them but in regards to the role some of the cast say is (as you say) insufferable.
Another example is J. D Payne and Mckaye saying "they had to pinch themselves from the excitement of meeting Tolkiens grandson"...
I mean really???
@@elck3 this thread reeks of racism and privilege. maybe she isn’t the first female dwarf on screen but she’ll be the first one with a substantial role and also one of the first people of color to be in an LOTR film/TV series. white dudes loooove to police the Tolkien fandom but people of color belong too. and unlike white dudes, they have almost never seen themselves represented in Tolkien adaptations or in fantasy at large. that’s not right. anyone citing “accuracy” is bullshitting because *it is all made up anyway.* that’s just a way to exclude POC from the fandom and the genre. fortunately, white Tolkien fanatics do not get to have a say in the casting process. y’all are literally making it sound like there have been female dwarf characters with major roles in Tolkien adaptations. you know very well that that is false. stop singling out actors of color, stop policing the fandom, and get over the racism because we are never going back to a world where POC are excluded from film and TV productions. and there’s nothing you can do to stop it. this is 2022, not 1922, and there is no place for racism, misogyny, nor white supremacy in the Tolkien fandom. unless you’re Sauron.
@@sethd6485 If "it is all made up anyways" what is even the point of adapting the Legendarium of Tolkien?
@@sethd6485 1) I’m a POC. I’m Asian. Of course there’s no way for you to know that from my profile, but from as far as I can tell from yours, you are a white dude. 2) You know what’s worse than being “excluded” in film and tv media - by which of course you mean Western media, aka Hollywood? It’s being told by white dudes like you (and white women) how I should think and feel as a POC, especially when it comes to media I consume or literature I read. Isn’t it lovely to have white saviors like you to claim to know and deem what’s worthy and what’s not? As far as I can tell, me and my fellow POCs don’t give a flying f**k about seeing ourselves on screen when it comes to Tolkien’s immensely detailed and richly realized world. I distinctly remember tearing up when I watched Return of the King, taking in the majestic vistas and most importantly the deeply emotional story. Not once during the entire trilogy did I think to myself (nor did any other POC I know .. because of course we all think alike right Seth?) - that “I should like to see myself on screen”. I connected foremost with _the story_ .. i further took film classes in college seeing mostly white faces on screen yet if you were to ask me - why was I in the class when it’s predominantly white media I was consuming, I would have been offended at you for singling me out because I had every right to be there and to love what i loved, in this case Tolkein’s work. 3) Tell me you yourself are the real racist without telling me you are a racist. It’s funny how many times I’ve seen comments from people like you who love to claim to speak for an entire swath of people - the “POCs” - claiming they know how and why they are marginalized. No one is saying this is 1922 nor are people in this comment thread claiming to deny people from being in the show if they are a POC. They are first and foremost desperately hoping the story comes first, because that’s what Tolkien would have wanted. Seeing diverse casting is fine, but not when it doesn’t make any sense whatsoever to include aka to check boxes. If done right, it adds to the story. Some of the best Western media stories are diverse, see Black Panther for example. Because what is your goal? Telling a story? Or promulgating a meta message? It’s clear to everyone that it’s the latter. Next time, think about the biases you yourself hold before painting everyone into a box. It’s you therefore who is the true racist.
is it just me that thinks the actor for Gil-Galad would be absolutely perfect casting for Elendil aswell?
I missed the name announcement & totally thought it was mark ferguson for a moment
We needed more castings like him, but im happy with the choise of elendil
Omg Galadriel and Durin are both welsh 😍😍😍. I love this show already 10x more than before I watched these panels.
How can you dare say you are weaving the way for the next generation? You are not a Tolkien professional, you are not a professor and for you to think so much of yourself as a dwarrowdam that does not even exist in the lore of the author. You think too highly of yourself queen of dwarves. The directors and writers should be ashamed of themselves and a lot of you should have read the books and be respectful of the lifetime creation of professor Tolkien. All of the beautiful characters we knew, you have changed and made them into fake clones. How did Galadriel put all of those helmets into a mountain? So stupid, and you think the dire fans will not band the show, they will, we will. Accessible, every voices....sigh...Have you seen the hobbit movie, they had female dwarves, you are nothing special.
People needs to stop hating on this show before ever watching the first fnk episode!! 🤦♂️ let the show play, if it’s good-great! If not then it sucks. I bet the show will be right in the middle.
The hate is getting comical and pathetic at this point
It's pretty weird driven by the like of Nerdrotic, G&G etc. If the show turns out to be a turd then fair enough, but so far it's all about there being a coloured Elf and dwarf. The show could be well acted and produced with great stories but it wouldn't matter ...
@@vincevirtua true. youtubers like Nerdrotic are nothing but unhelpful and toxic to the nerd community and brings no good
After many years of trying to understand this hate wagon in general, I just stopped and came to the conclusion that I absolutely hate all fandoms. All of them have toxic and self righteous people that just pour out to others their insecurities and a need to complain endlessly. I love LOTR and Tolkien' world, I hate Tolkien fandom. I love ASOIAF and GOT, but I hate their fandom. I love Star Wars, I hate their fandom. I love Star Trek, I hate their fandom. That's one of the many reason why I do not have social media accounts, besides youtube - because I just want to shut out the absolute hate and bitterness of small and self righteous people from my life. I never needed anyone to tell me if something is good or not. I am the master of my own judgement and nothing anyone will say, can deter that.
@@andreim.5324 actually you only hear about the toxicity because they are the loudest but there is some lovely people in almost every fandoms who care and thinks just like you do you just need to find them ;)
I loved the part when Sauron started saying his palms were sweaty, knees weak, arms heavy, then threw up Morgoth's spaghetti all over his sweater. 13/10 these writers and actors are truly writing the novel Tolkien never could have as the mega-event series that could only happen today. Really embodies what the world really looks like, so many goosebumps.
I got emotional at that part. Then an elf of color passed by and gave the spaghetti to a less fortunate community, the Haradrim, trying to fight hunger and white supremacy.
Yawn. Be more original.
They've already said that that wasn't Sauron. It's a member of the Cult of Melkor.
@@brooksboy78 its sarcasm dude, look it up in the dictionary. 🤣
Elendil’s actor got a sexy voice ngl
Love this cast 🤩
quick question, why is the character named Kemen? I'm sure that means "earth" in quenya.
It means strong in English
The Rings of Power’s main characters should’ve been Celebrimbor, the 19 ring bearers, and Sauron. It would’ve been interesting if we meet the nine kings before their transformation into the Nazgul.
The 19 ring bearers originally or the ring bearers after the war of elves and Sauron? Two different groups of people
@@claytravis2383 The first people who wore the rings of power.
@@ryankwon8785 it would be a bunch of new elven characters from Eregion then. I’d much rather have elendil, Pharazon, and isildur, as well as Elrond, Galadriel, and Gil Galad. But to each their own
Considering they aren’t covering the forging of the rings until season 2, we may very well see the 9 in detail before their fall. I suspect some of the Numenoreans we already have seen (Kemen?) will be some of the 9
@@claytravis2383 Do you think there is a chance we see the Mouth of Sauron when he was a human?
I am Super Pumped
Thanks for posting!
The chad actor playing Isildur, played BFME when he was younger. :)
Can't get enough! 4 am here and still having fun! LoTR:TRoP is going to be out-of-this-world!
You're right, Hell isn't on our world!
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
I was starting to feel kinda bad for the people involved in this production because no one sets out to make a bad series but after the way they treat the guy at 10:45 I reckon all bets are off. Even if it's a set up the message sent out by their response is pretty awful.
These people are lovely
morfydd looks like jodie foster
my favourite group!
I wish someone would have asked about Tom Bombadil
He's hanging out in The Green Dragon smoking weed and drinking "a pint"
Poor Ema, Stephen interrupted her 😅
Amazon's/Jeff Bezos' approach to Tolkien's masterpiece of fantasy was to hire people who had no real love or knowledge of the Middle Earth lore or canon, glom together pieces of The Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit and the Appendices ignoring timelines and storylines, add made up characters that have no place in the tale and throw a billion dollars worth of CGI at it hoping no one would notice. When everyone who knew anything about Middle Earth noticed, the untalented, PC and woke cast and crew went on the offensive deflecting the justified criticism by attacking the fan base as racist, sexist and bigoted. This was the second clear sign that this project was an abject failure by any standard applied, the first being their own admission that their aim was to "modernize" the tale to appeal to a new audience. In true Hollywood fashion the directors put all of their political baggage and wokeness into a tale about a fantasy pre-history of England that was created by a scholar who devoted a lifetime to develop it in detail greater than any other work of fiction that existed before and certainly since. It was a disastrous formula from the first day. Add to that the bad casting, high school drama club level writing and dialogue, horribly bad editing, confusing timeline compression, complete mish-mash of character development and utter disregard for the canon and lore and you end up with a show that has cutting edge CGI.......and nothing else worthy of mention. They would have been better off making this series 100% CGI and saving three quarters of a billion dollars. TROP is absolute garbage from the first episode. It is not a show that immerses you into the fantasy world of Middle Earth because the characters are so uninspiring and the pace of the story is boring to the point where you simply don't care what's happening you just want it to keep moving in the hope that something good might be coming. So far that has not been the case and we're almost to the end of the first season. This is a clear case of a rich guy thinking his money makes him as much of a literary genius as the true literary genius of Tolkien made Middle Earth. TROP is Bezos' ego on full display destroying the greatest fictional literary work of the 20th century through his complete lack of understanding and love for the tales. The "ner do wells" he hired to help him destroy this masterpiece are all too eager to take his money, stroke his ego and produce a show that has been universally panned by the diehard Tolkien fan base. The reviews have been edited by sites like Rotten Tomatoes to "adjust the numbers" in favor of the show but cannot explain the cavernous gap between their "Tomatometer" rating of 84% (383 critics) and the audience score of 38% (30,393 users). Rotten Tomatoes, and their critic ilk, have lost all credibility here. They have shown themselves to be little more than Amazon shills. In summation, Bezos and his bone-top production cast and crew are a fine example of how money ruins everything it touches. Having money does not make you smarter, more talented or right. It just makes you a more visible asshat. They need to cut their losses and do something far less challenging, more in line with their collective lack of talent like commercials for Wendy's hamburgers or something.
I... so the armour Galadriel wears is not her armour but a gift from someone else? What? I mean, let's disregard for a moment the fact that Galadriel doesn't wear armour in the books and would never wear armour, because she's not a tank or a warrior, but why would she wear armour, even if it's a gift, if it bears the crest of Fëanor? They're feuding! It doesn't make sense! Colbert knows this, he's read the Silmarillion enough times, yet here he is defending it anyway.
They're probably doing a "Fingon and Maedhros" type of thing to fix the division between the two houses. That's the only reason I can think of that would make sense.
this whole argument made them all look so stupid 😭
Cynthia is always smiling, so cute!
she always looks either scowling or like she got shit under her nose. in spartacus as well.
My favourite part is all the cultural appropriation.
Thank you so much for posting this entire panel!
Will you be posting the TORn panel on Sunday, 1:30pm room 6A?
미국 코믹콘 재밌게 잘하네. 우리나라는 이런거 크게해야 문화산업이 잘될텐데, 미국은 이런게 참 잘되어있는듯
Have a lot of hope for the show, a lot more excited about it however i still think the design of the elven armor is lame compared to the movies, i mean the helmets alone are such a disappointment :(
For 10th time where’s celeborn and celebrian?
It's a five series, 50 hour story. Obviously they aren't going to show everything in the first trailer. The simple answer is that the Rings don't get forged until the 2nd season, so there's no need for Celeborn just yet.
@@Jagonath celeborn is galadriels husband tho..
Strong women apperently aren't allowed to be married... At least untill episode 4...
@@merickurt753 Yes, that's true. And I'm sure he will be her husband in the show as well. They just want to be dramatic and show it...
Which they will likely stuff up like most everything else.
Welp
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They are insuting Tolkien's work and they are proud of it, what a shame!
Jesus, the people asking the questions surely have been sent by Amazon. Just fricking ridiculous.
Really? The guy trying to humiliate the producers by demanding to know why Galadriel is wearing Feanor's sigil was sent by Amazon? He's right, Galadriel would likely *not* wear Feanor's sigil, she hated that guy.
@@Jagonath It's a tactic. They gave him a "witty" response immediately, didn't they. The whole question was given so they could highlight, that "sticking to the lore is not important".
What they're doing to tolkiens work is very upsetting 🙁 this is a metaphorical book burning
Hahahahaha! You’re hilarious!
Clearly not racist at all :-D I'm speaking with irony, @PhageTheFinalCure i think you got it.
12:10 Bruh they did added a blind character....
“Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin good forces have invented or made.” - Tolkien is the new George Orwell, it was a prediction, to THIS!
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
Please don't tell me the armour is a gift from Celebrimbor. Ugh.
It’s almost certainly from the Numenoreans
@@claytravis2383 Galadriel would never wear a Feanorian heraldic device. Full stop.
@@ecthelionofthefountain8267 it’s probably the star of Earendil judging from where she likely got it from.
@@claytravis2383 Hmm, let's hope so. I will need to see it up close to know for sure.
People upset about Galadriel in armour with a sword seem to forget that even though she wields magic, she is royalty & would know how to fight hand-to-hand
She never fought with a sword in the books once, let alone use one as her main weapon.
Almost all the actors seem like very good people and are genuinely excited about the show. The final product, on the other hand, I have much less hope mainly because of the agenda Amazon has behind the show. If they left the creatives alone, i'm sure we would get a much better show than what the trailers seem to allude to..
Inclusivity and disabilities.
These people are insaneee
After watching this panel, I've lost all hope that this series will be anything resembling Tolkien, and nothing more than a horrible perversion of his works, a bastardization if you will.
we feel with you - just let us watch it first and judge after if this ok for you?
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 Who do you think is preventing you from doing this? What an incredibly fatuous response.
@@randell9667 you are writing horrible things about a TV series mate, let's watch it first and critique it after.
@@bavariancarenthusiast2722 You are welcome to do whatever you want mate, I'm writing horrible things based on the horrible portions of the show I've viewed. You don't have a right to tell me what I should or should not do, get it bud? Ok now piss off.
@@randell9667 wow - you don't have many friends do you? I mean no friends? I wonder why.....do what ever you want. Nobody cares.
OMG!! That was as realistic (expecially questions) as my anime girlfriend XDD
Chill, dork
Why has everything to be so mawkish? They talk about everything: the Welsh alphabet, horse riding, the representation of people with disabilities, giving mr Colbert a role, only not about the story in the context of Tolkien's books. It looks really weird.
They aren’t allowed to discuss the story because the production is keeping it under wraps so we are surprised each episode. It’s easier to talk to the cast about the process than try to manage the spoiler stuff.
@@ClaytonStone895 The whole story of the Second Age, including the ending, has been known since 1977. I don't really understand what spoiler stuff they were trying to manage.
It's obviously because they know fuck all about the actual lore and give zero shits about any of it. They only wish to change what has already been made.
They talk about everything but the plot
This show has amazing potential. It will be a travesty if they blow it.
these people are part of the reason why Southpark is struggling making good stuff. These people are literally Southpark level humor, she is a perfect character that Southpark would make in their show but it wouldn't be funny bcs it's reality now
Poor souls. Being part of one of the worst TV disasters in television history would make me look longingly at the rope and the pills.
Maybe can we not commit to putting Stephen Colbert in Lord of the Rings? That would be great.
Sooo entire cast is not familiar with the universe... nice, even worse then what I expected. Did not bother with learning anything, no respect for Tolkien or the fandom, I am disgusted.
How dare you! We all have to cheer and celebrate! They improved Tolkiens world ( I mean... as if he knew anything about wars, creating mythology and such things) and we all should be thankful that FINALLY a company that has never been known for its gold sickness or treating their employees like dirt improves the lore. Forget everything Tolkien had created for decades!
Yes. I am too tired to be angry, too tired to joke... I am in a deep lake of cynism... (Or however it is properly written in English..)
Do you believe that all actors from the movies were familiar? Come on....
@@mithlenfinlass2040 so you are not familiar with the appendices, where they literally talk about how they were "forced" to read the books? Except Aragorn who was brought a little bit late into the movies (and was briefed by his son and PJ)... and then you also did not saw any interview, for example with Pippin and Marry where they talked about what happend after LOTR and they knew everything? Thats what are you saying? Ok.
@@kristynahelgetova8061 I know nearly everything about movies and books. I think you misunderstood me, I ment, that not every actor on the movies knew LOTR well before. So in both casts there are noobs and dearly fans. You said the ENTIRE cast os not familiar, and this is not true.
@@mithlenfinlass2040 I ment the entire cast in this video is not familiar with Tolkiens work enough to understand their role. And thats true. Do you know why? Because they dont care about Tolkien, LOTR or us fans.
Even though movies cast dealt with lot of changes as well, it was different time, they did not face such backclash. But now this new cast should think about why we hate it, and try to understand us, instead of just saying that we are racist and we supposed to get of the internet. Btw I have the biggest problem with Galadriel. The deviation is too much. Does she care why fans of Tolkien hate her as Galadriel? No. Did she read the books? No. But she called us racists.
Gonna be a shit show thanks
Who cares about Colbert in the show? Seriously what's with the mess of questions asked?
Funny hearing that "Galadriel will become the Galadriel we now after all of these trials and tribulations"... and I add... that wer just made up? LOL
Nobody wants this
Not gonna Watch it..my expectations is So low... From all the Bad dislikes & Not following Tolkien Vision, I'd rahter watch the Reviews & if the rating from TH-camrs gives it at least a Solid 8 & over, i may consider it
Wheel of Time should serve as a warning
So you choose and believe a rating from other people before your own? Prejudice at its finest!
@@mithlenfinlass2040 If I tell you the milk is spoiled, you still going to smell it?
@@stevena.7022 Tastes are different (not on spoiled milk though 😂) .. There were a lot of movies in the past, where critics said they were bad, but I liked them and vice versa. Same with music.
Almost none of these people on the penal have done what they refer to as a "Deep Dive" LOL They are just a bunch of activists and wannabee showrunners pretending ot be some genius creators. What a joke. This is Amazon's Puke show; Cringe of Power,....not Rings of Power.
I really don’t understand why some people are so obsessed with diversity and inclusion forced in. The point is to be immersed in the story not reminded of the real world. If diversity makes sense like brown people in Harad that’s GREAT but to make certain races diverse where it doesn’t makes sense it breaks immersion. Imagine watching Aladdin with a white cast that would be stupid because it doesn’t make sense…
You seem more obsessed than they are.
@@ClaytonStone895 how can someone with the name Tolkien Fanatic even type that sentence onto their screen? Tolkien’s world is almost sacred it’s like a beautiful animal or plant that should be taken care of carefully. When 2022 politics injects itself into a timeless tale it removes people from that tale because they are being reminded about 2022 politics and that does a disservice to Tolkien. A black dwarf makes 0.000% sense they live under a mountain out of the sun…that’s woke injection. Now a black Haradrim or settler from Khand makes perfect sense because it’s a desert region and I would love to see that. But this woke shit is what is ruining lots of movies. Look at Top Gun no wokeism and has now beat Avengers at the box office whereas the Last Jedi with wokeism was torn apart.
@@CriticalMach The seven fathers of the dwarves were all CREATED by the vala Aulë and could therefore have had any skin color. By your own logic the dwarves should all be albino from living underground and the elves of Valinor should be dark skinned or tan after living so close to Laurelin. It seems like you just have a problem with diversity in your fantasy media.
@@henningsignarsson152 I have clearly stated that if got to see Khand, Far Harad, Rhun, or Umbar with the approriate races for those regions that would be AWESOME! But to make a black dwarf after our image of Tolkien's dwarves have been the same for decades is 100% just a lets give black females roles. Now the new character Bronwynn from the South I love that they are exploring that region and I love the look of her. My brother is black and I am hispanic so please remind me again how I have a TRUE problem with diversity. The woke mob wants inclusion EVERYWHERE when that actually makes things worse. Human nature is tribal and we flock to those that look/act like us. A black dwarf and a black elf and making Galadriel a warrior princess is 1000% pandering and you know it. Galadriel is so badass she doesnt need to be a warrior like how they are depecting her here. It is purely a WOMEN are strong TOO! When in reality in combat will ALWAYS be a MAN domain.
@@CriticalMach I find it weird you think an exclusively white cast isn't political. An all-white cast isn't "neutral". I'd also like to ask you if you accept actors of Italian or Spanish heritage and Finnish ancestry playing the same "race" is "political", or you draw the line in the skin pigmentation color, and why.
Thank you.
I feel as if my life’s deepest desires are on the cusp of fulfillment! This was such a spectacular panel.
In my eyes, showrunners are the same as orcs to elves in Tolkien's works. And I have the same approach to them.
I can't wait for the theme song "Breaking the lore" by my favorite band, Judas Shills! Melkor is truly the greatest vocalist of all time, I loved him since he did that cover of that Illuvatar song!
cringe
@@ClaytonStone895 The show? You're right.
@@unitron2005 You haven’t seen it, you cringey dork
Omg I find that exact same comment in every video about the show hahahaha how boring must your life be that you have to go around every video about the show copying and pasting that pathetic comment trying to tear an amazing work of years down. It’s just sad.
@@sentimientomacareno5855
Nothing wrong with expressing your opinion on now how terrible this shows gonna be…
Disgusting how they are butchering my beloved Tolkien story 😒. No repect for the man and very much sure and proud of their incompetent work 🤦♀️ Just disgusting to hear that they think they can create such crap and call it canonical.
Just don't watch it, mate
@@Andrael h'es written this on other videos lol, toxic gatekeepers
Tolkien would love the show and hate you.
@@skyfire872 I have no investment in "TheCanon" but these guys have a point. Few corporate reboots of fantasy worlds have received fair treatment. LOTR was a surprise exception 20 years ago and was a huge hit. Since then it's one trashing after another. We've even took to calling them IPs like we're all copyright lawyers instead of fans.
Morfydd Clarke she is an actress without charisma and character, she cannot be the protagonist and I hope she is not
I'll pass , can't relate to LOTR, this the kind of shit that makes karens . Not one latino.
Makes karens?
@@lilchaos4792 The fug? 😄
No one cares
This is just a bad TV show that missed the boat on the genre by 2 years.
GOT was propelled by LOTR.
That's long gone.
This show desperately needed Tolkien fans, but due to their invented DEI demands they decided to deem us unfit to be involved.
So much for true to the tale.
I hope they will be happy with their sad narcissistic audience who need to be spoon-fed a story.
You must be fun at parties lol
Crawl back into the hole from whence you came.
"This show desperately needed Tolkien fans"....you obviously didn't watch what I just watched.
"deem us"?
who the fuck are you referring to lmao, you have nothing to do with any of us tolkien fans
You'd be surprised that someone like you is in the vast minority, lol