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Richard is the only one who didn’t piss me off
Same, I felt like he was the only logical there
Really? Child murders tend to piss me off.
@@InfiniteTVXQ This is just a theory of philippa gregory. Nothing has been proved. So, just read some history book and not Fanfiction
@@InfiniteTVXQ read history books. Anything's possible, but I don't believe he killed his nephews. Too many other people would have benefited from their deaths a lot more than Richard.
@@InfiniteTVXQ he had no reason whatsoever to kill his nephews and then why would there mother trust him with her daughter because she even knew that the witch Beauford and her cohorts did it she was the one to gain the most from them being dead no more competition after Richard gone for her son Henry Richard was crowned and made the boys already illegitimate
Imagine if he wasn't betrayed... He probably would have won that war or can return back to the palace alive:000
I believe Richard was a good man a great king I'm so sick of Tuder propaganda loyalty mi lie
I completely agree
Your video made my day.Gorgeous Aneurin and Faye Marsay.There's magical chemistry between their characters
It's kind of you ! Thanks ! Richard III is our favorite historical character. We hope you will enjoy our next video which will be about George
@@modusetboarchannel5666 mine to
this was brilliant and yes captures his down fall perfectly,Elizabeth was his sinful desire and pawn in the series anyway don't know about rl though
Actually rumer in court had it they were in love and it was not so strange at the time as many of Europe's royals were related
@@balthiersgirl2658 yes, but he was also inquiring about a Princess (I think that was her title it's been awhile since I've read it) in Portugal. I know he loved Anne very much as pretty emotional at her funeral.
@@l.plantagenet Are you talking about Richard lll offering marriage to Joanna?
@@breezymango4113 yes.
balthiers girl false rumor created by Tudor supporters to tarnish his name
Well this reached Hamilton levels of sadness
@@livvyv1211????
Jody Tubb i made this comment a year ago and I’m sorry for the cringe don’t ask man
Richard chemistry with Elizabeth was so intense they both were magnific and this song adapts so well at the 'love' triangle they starred in the last chapter this two were amazing in the last episode in fact I didn't watch the serie until I saw a video of they both here on youtube and i decided to watch the whole serie as well.
If you ship Elizabeth and Richard, we recommend you to watch our "Carmen" and "Homeless" videos :)
Have you watched "The White Princess" ?
I haven't seen the white princess yet. I only saw the white queen because a richard and elizabeth video caught my attention but certainly I will try to see the white princess, thank you for your recomendation, i will see those videos ;)
One question, which side are you on? York or Lancaster. I'm on the York side.
York, always York
York and the true king Richard
@@balthiersgirl2658 true King? He won the crown and there is no doubt about that but he did it by usurping his nephews crown and declaring them illegitimate and that's the reason he was only King for 2 years.
As a Plantagenet descendant, I'm on the York side.
York and the Princes in the Tower. Not Teddy but the sons of Margaret de la Pole
i actually loved him but attracting your niece is such a terrible thing. he had a beautiful relationship yet he ruined it... such waste, wish he didn't cheat anne.
In those times i suppose things like that didn't matter looking at the habsberg family tree marrying cousins and aunts and uncles i guess was there norm
It didn’t actually happen though.This was just a plot used for the show based on a rumor the Tudor’s supporters started . The Tudor’s created the rumor and false claims that he was involved with Elizabeth(amongst other claims) after he died in order to further damage his name and reputation. Literally none of the Love story between Richard and Elizabeth happened in real life.
@@Jazzzzyyyy__ Actually the rumour already existed when Richard was still king. He had to publicly declare to have never even thought about marrying Elisabeth.
This is just on the show. In reality it never happened. Richard was about to marry princess Joana of Portugal and marry off Elizabeth to the Duke of Beja. Rumors, probably aimed at thwarting the portugues marriage plan as well as ruining Richard's reputation, arose after Anne's death. Richard publicly denied them all and ordered that everyone caught in repeating them shall be punished.
Anyone know IF Richard was Elizabeth's Uncle by blood OR marriage? Big Difference. But, marrying closer relatives was not uncommon then.
Very intense 4 min video! Thanks!
Magnificent!
Love always my son 500+ years I have searched come home to st Mary’s
this vid is so well done and the song choice beautiful.. I only wish the lyrics wouldn't pop up in the middle of the screen all the time.. kind of ruins the picture
What does modus et boar mean?
Modus stands for the first word of Edward IV's motto "Modus et Ordo" and the white Boar is Richard III's emblem :)
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Why can’t I watch your last uploaded video about George?I says that it’s blocked by starz
Yes we are trying to modify the video to make it available to you but it is quite difficult for the moment. The scene of George's execution is copyrighted
Modus et Boar Channel oh I see.I hope you’ll manage)
Love your videos.Just wondering,have you watched Victoria series?
And I’m a bit upset cause I can’t watch the full version of the White Queen,cause I’m not in America(
I wish I could watch all the scenes that had been deleted from the version I am allowed to watch
We haven't watched it yet but we intend to do so ! Thanks for your support :)
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Where are you guys from?
Me thinks a number of Yorks still live if you follow the signs and know where to look.
Sorry but there was no point of turning Richard into a creepy uncle having an affair with his own niece and betraying his wife. They destroyed both Richard and Elizabeth of York's characters.
This in part because Richard was the son of edward-and, his sister, from edward, and blank,was elizabeth,who-they had to make up shit about my family, as they last name mean warrior-Wiggin-Wiggins, or-wig. Sup-how are you, as, me James richard VI-Edward Earl Warwick-whole long name. Message,and me say more maybe if tubedontblock
What ep 0:27 is?
I found it its ep 10
@@zozonono6356 the International cut, with Lizzie
@@sarahvaeti119why should be cut??
That’s what they said I have the truth for I am from him King Richard 3 my son
What's his real name ?
Chelsia 6543 Aneurin Barnard. :)
He dont Love his niece
Team Anne ;)
He loved anne at the beginning to a certain point but then richard fell into his own trap he decided seduce his niece to win a war but then he started to desire Elizabeth like the moment when he was standing behind the door meanwhile Elizabeth and Ceclilly presented themselft in front Anne when they comeback to the court, Richard was looking at Elizabeth intensely and he was alone so, only God knows what he was thinking lol, he didn't have to pretend he likes her at this moment all ended with him having feelings for his niece as he said to her in the international version the fact it was cut in the BBC version doesn't exclude that it was seen in the international version as well, the part where he confesses his feelings toward Elizabeth, leave no doubt he said: *i didn't mean to love you but I DO* so we dont have to assume nothing more about his last feelings, he falls in his own wicked plan at the funeral he cried over anne but his conversation was reduced to how worried he was over the rumor that he poisoned anne to marries elizabeth and about henry coming with his army for his ass and due to that rumor he could have lost the north men support because their love and loyalty for Anne, he sounded so selfish and more sorry for his throne and reputation than for his dead wife. In the last chapters he humiliated anne in the court exhibiting with Elizabeth meanwhile his wife listened rumors and never showed fears about her illness until her dead all his attentions turned into elizabeth and his other favorite word: the WAR, sorry but in the end he didn't care about anne's feels and not matter if we say it was just for win the war but he didn't repaired to shame his ill wife to achieve his purpose therefore he acted as if he has not longer loves her anymore.
I've read some books about Richard III and I think his behaviour could be explained by the fact that he had to work very hard to get what he wanted (besides he says it a lot in the TV series). As the youngest child (the twelfth !!), nobody had great ambitions for him. When he was only 8, his father and other brother Edmund were killed by Marguerite d'Anjou's armies. His mother sent him and George in Burgundy to keep them safe. He learned at such a young age what was the price of power struggle, and how power is hard to keep.
To become powerful in the North, he had to toil. Even after George's betrayal and Richard's loyalty, Edward gave some Richard's titles and lands to George. However Richard never turned against his brother the king. Even if Richard obviously loved his wife, marrying her was a way to secure his power in the North and to get more of it. In my opinion, Richard didn't kill the princes in the Tower (he had too much to lose by doing so). But he knew that people thought so. He saw his brother George killed (for the power !). He saw his other brother Edward, his beloved child and then his wife dying before their time. That's why he's made everything he could to be a good king. Unfortunately, History didn't allow him to prove to the world that he was one. But let us not forget that it is a historical fiction (even if it is close to the reality) : in fact Richard loved Anne very much, he probably didn't cheat on her and some of his contemporaries even said that her death made him lose his mind (and he didn't have a love affair with his niece).
Thank you for your interesting message ! :)
That's fine but I was referring to the serie and and how the story was projected for example in real life, Anne 'the real historical figure' was supposed to be a very kind person but in the series she and her sister Isabel are projected quite arrogant and envious, the series even insinuate that Anne and Richard's mother were the ones who encouraged him to proclaim himself king, name bastards his nephews and there were a part when anne wished the death of princes, it's a soup opera and would never be essentially accurate.. I suppose in real life he loved his wife a lot although I also read that he did have a mistress in fact had two illegitimate childrens: John of Gloucester and Ketherine Plantagenet.
I do think there is evidence to support that Richard did love his wife, but that wouldn’t have excluded the possibility that he loved his mistresses and mother of his illegitime childrens too. I happen to think that he probably liked Anne Neville prior to their marriage because they were friends since childhood but that I think his marriage to her was political and strategic, especially as she inherited half of her father’s vast estates (also the most likely reason that Clarence tried to prevent the marriage). Maybe it was after they married that they developed a loving relationship but you know these people lived five centuries ago and history is always told on the most convenient sides, we can never guess what were his true feelings, all these people time life was so hard, no one was good or bad they only lived a terrible time who's the only constant was 'survival'.
Am I the only one who thinks that when Richard made it to the afterlife, Edward was just their, waiting to kick his ass for what went down with his daughter?
Like he went full MMA, because nobody seduces his baby girl Lizzie like this piece of shit did and gets away with it.
I like to think about this a lot.
Except he never tried to seduce his niece. Prior to the battle of Bosworth Field, he was in negotiations with the king of Portugal to marry his sister as well as betroth Elizabeth of York to the heir of the Portuguese throne. He had no interest in marrying his niece.
@@Meow_Zedong_1949 it was a comment on the show, the white queen, which this video takes clips from, not actual history. It was also a joke so maybe you should chill out instead of jumping to defend a child murderer.
@@starbolt99 Again, we don't have evidence of what happened to the Princes in the tower. They could've been murdered by Richard but there's no evidence to prove it. At the end of the day, Richard is innocent until proven guilty.
@@Meow_Zedong_1949 imagine being so pressed about a comment from two years ago, about a character interpretation of a man who has been dead for over 500 years that you feel the need to comment on it repeatedly. Or maybe you just want the last word to prove that you're "better" somehow. Doesn't matter because i can 100% guarantee that I am more stubborn then you. I'm a 21 year old student who runs on caffeine and spite. So buckle up, buddy. This is going to a be a long (and hopefully somewhat educational) comment.
That whole innocent until proven guilty doesn't really matter because it doesn't actually change opinions. Outside of a courtroom, it means nothing. The fact that you think it does proves that you've never actually sat on a jurry.
I 100% believe that Richard the third was responsible for the disappearance and supposed death of his two nefews. I don't need proof beyond that as this isn't a court room and I'm not looking to convict the man.
Regardless, if you believe in any form of heaven or afterlife where Richard would have to face his older brother again, you know for a fact that Edward would beat his ass, even if the plot line with Elizabeth was made up.
Richard stole the throne from Edward's son, Edward V. He imprisoned him and his brother. It doesn't matter if he didn't actually have them murdered, he put them in a situation that (allegedly) ended with both of them dead. And he did this because he, historically, did not like Elizabeth Woodville, Edward's wife and most likely one of the people he loved most in the world, or her family.
Richard was a power hungry individual, he was unwilling to relinquish control to someone else and ultimately it was his fault that the house of york and, by extension, the entire plantagenate dynasty, fell out of power.
So to conclude:
1. I'm not stupid. I know that the white queen is mostly fiction. I knew the white queen was mostly fiction when I made this comment. The comment wasn't about these real life people and what actually happened. It was about the fiction counterpart to this already fascinating time in British history. The fact that you can't read the original comment as the joke it was meant to be says more about your intelligence then it does about mine.
2. Richard III is dead. He's not gonna give you a gold star for defending him against a crime that (if it actually happened at all) he was most likely responsible for, at least indirectly. You can not apply modern legal principles to a centuries old missing persons case in hopes to defend him. Its a terrible argument, if only for the facts that there is no physical evidence left at all besides the bones that have been found in the tower (two sets, it is unclear which, if either, set would belong to the two princes) and the fact that "innocent until proven guilty" was put into place along with "guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt" in a MODERN court system. It keeps jurys from making unsure convictions, not from believing one way or the other if the crime was committed.
Richard the third is not standing triall and saying that people can't believe that he, the most obvious culprit in the (alleged) death of his two young nefews, is guilty of the above charges is irresponsible. Sure, Richard would probably never be convicted of this crime, but OJ Simpson (allegedly) got away with murder and most people still believe he was the one who did it.
This all being said, if you want to argue that Richard III was the rightful king and that Henry VII (tudor) stole the throne from him, you would also be wrong.
Henry VII won the throne by right of conquest, which was a legitimate way to seize the throne at the time (he was also the last king of England to do so, not important but certainly interesting) and then he married Elizabeth of York, the eldest (legitimate) child of Edward IV, also a king who came to rule by right of conquest, to cement his reign and unite the houses. At the time that they where wed, Henry had already had his coronation and it was widely believed, rightly so in my opinion, that Elizabeth's two brothers where dead.
There was only one person who could have possibly had a better claim to the throne then Elizabeth and that would be Edward Plantagenate Earl of Warrick, the only surviving son of George Plantagenate Duke of Clarence. But because his father had be executed as a traitor, he had been barred from the line of succession. There is no evidence to prove that Richard III would have ever appointed him as heir. (He was later executed in 1499 for treason. There is no proof that he was mentally handicapped as he was portrayed in the White Princess but that normally isn't something that they would have admitted to anyway.)
All of this given, the only surviving heirs of the York Brothers who where still in the line of succession for the throne where the daughters of Edward IV, as Richard's son's death predated both the death of Richard and Anne by over a year and George's children where barred from succession due to his treason.
The reign of Henry VII was just as legitimate as Richard III if only for the fact that with all of the Male heirs of York dead (or the sons of Edward IVs sisters, who would come below Elizabeth in the line of succession anyway as they are descended of the female line of the house and not the male line) his wife was essentially the heir to the house of York and by extension, the throne of England.
In the show they do this fun thing where Perkin Warbeck is actually the missing Prince Richard, the youngest surviving son of Edward IV who was never actually in the tower but instead spirited away by his mother and sisters, but this is as close to being proven false as is possible. He was an upstart who saw an opportunity to possibly greatly improve his lot in life and he took it. He was also eventually executed for it after his subsequent loss when he and Edward both tried to escape the tower of London and failed.
The houses of York and Lancaster combined when Elizabeth and Henry VII married. I'm fairly certain that the only reason they where married in the first place was because, despite him winning the throne by conquest over Richard III, Henry's claim was shakey at best. Sure, his father was the half brother to King Henry VI, but it was through a shared mother in Catherine of Valois, a French princess and not Henry V, through whose line Henry VI was given his right to rule.
It is believed that the Male Plantagenate line has since died out and the female line, which has married out, is the only way it survives, but the uncertainty of the true fate fo the princes in the tower (no matter what I believe) is the reason that neither set of bones found in the tower of London have been tested to prove whether they truly belong to those boys are not. Because if they aren't to remains of those two boys, the Windsors open themselves up to a succession crisis.
Ultimately, the survival of those two boys, and any children that they may have sired had they survived, invalidates the right to rule of anyone who came after them in the line of succession of England, including the house of Windsor, which I believe still stems from direct descendents of the the female line of the Plantagenates (I'm not totally sure of this fact so if someone wants to fact check me on it and provide sources that prove this statement false, feel free).
So, the current royal family and their subsequent right to rule all stems from the belief (that I think is correct) that those boys died in the tower without siring any children.
Those boys have to have died their or we are looking at a British royal family who's right to rule is shakey (and given the growing anti-monarchy sentiments growing steadily all over the world for the better part of the past 2.5 centuries that is a really bad thing for the ro. She they have to have dies in the tower and honestly there aren't many other people who would have both the motive and opportunity and power to see those boys dead. So if not Richard III, who do you propose killed them?
If they did die of disease, as has been proposed as an alternative theory, they why would their bodies have been hidden/unfound/destroyed/whatever else could have happened to their remains to make it unsure whether or not they truly died? If they had simply dies from an illness, literally everyone involved would have benefited, power wise, from proof of just that. I am 100% confident that Richard would have produced their remains to prove that he was not the murdered that myself and many other, especially at that time, believed him to be.
The belief that Richard III had his nephews murdered in the tower goes back as far as the belief that those boys died. I am not the first or only one to believe this. The innocent until proven guilty argument doesn't mean anything in the court of public opinion. In the trial of history Richard III, with the help of the Tudors (because you can not have this argument without acknowledging the fact that Henry VII was genius in how he manipulated public opinion of Richard and his legacy), will always be remembered as the man who killed his nephews for the throne of England.
So is Richard jon in this ? Or is Richard robb ?
Richard is Tyrion,Edward is Robb and also Robert Baratheon Jon is mix of Henry VII Tudor and Elizabeth of York
Suck when the show was so good while history was ao ugly.
Did Richard cheat on Anne?
Richard was known for moral uprightness of his private life-unlike his brother Edward. If he did cheat, it was probably not with his niece. Incest would have been repugnant to him-he had to humiliate himself by publicly denying rumors (planted by his enemies) of such a thing. The author Philippa Gregory who wrote The White Queen seems to be obsessed with incest and puts in a lot of her novels
It definitely seems not, since even his enemies praised his blameless morals and the good reputation of his private life. His only two illegitimate children were born before his marriage. Besides the Elizabeth of York affair never happened in reality, is just the show and the books it is based on.
@@ele5583 The fact that he had to deny rumors about his intention to marry Elizabeth of York means that there was something going on that aroused suspicions. Whether these rumors were based on fact is debatable, but there was something going on that made people think that there could be a romance between an uncle and niece (which was known to happen in royal circles).
Thanks for the answers!
@@Orphen42O it doesn't mean it was based on something at all, or that it was based on something true. I mean gossips arose also because Richard was ordered to leave his wife's bed by the doctors, so you are assuming like people at the time he was poisoning her? That was just gossip, and whether the reason - they were put forward intentionally to smear his reputation and thwart the Portuguese marriage plans, or they were spontaneous - we should treat them as gossips. Besides Richard strongly denied all the rumors, and forbade people to spread them on pain of a punishment. So if the person concerned said open and aloud "that's a slander", what else can we say? A marrriage niece-uncle didn't happen in royal circles and never happened before, surely not in England. It would become common practice later, in continental Europe, after the reformation. But never at the time, never in England, wasn't ever heard of and was considered incest and highly scandalous.
Impostor
This is your point of view
Yes!
As a Richard fan, my view point is maybe biaised, but if you are interested in the question of Richard's guilt (or innocence), I recommend the novel entitled The Daughter of Time and written by Josephine Tey. :) I'm not trying to convince you but I think this book is quite interesting !
Modus et Boar Channel I do not believe Richard was guilty of the death / disappearance of the princes, but since they were still alive when Richard crowned himself king, then I see him as an impostor. Thanks for the sugestion 😉
Oh ok, sorry ! Unfortunately, it's a thing we will never really know. I hope he sincerely thought he was the rightful king of England since his arguments could be received. I wish I had lived in those days to see how it really happened (even if those who lived at that tough time didn't end well) !