Not only do I disagree with the first hot take, I'd say video game OSTs are the biggest supplier of great orchestral and classical music in modern times.
Yeah I usually do not gatekeep but I think anyone who doesn’t see it that way genuinely has no idea what they are talking about. The Bloodborne soundtrack should have won a Grammy, and the nier automata and hollowknight soundtracks are some of the best music I’ve ever heard. I guess maybe someone who says that is someone who plays mainly the most mainstream of games, where their music isn’t as “memorable”, I have no doubt those soundtracks are great as well though.
While I dont mind orchestral and classic instruments being used, I wondered what about metal and rock? If you played, say Half Life 2, you would know the soundtracks also used metal and rock in them. Now we have almost every game using orchestra. I'm just asking why we need orchestra in everything in video game? Sure it helps players have a job, but I want to hear some good rock or metal tracks from video games.
Undertale Bloodborne Nier: Automata God of War The Last of Us Red Dead 2 Persona 5 That's just a bunch of games that have great themes/soundtracks right off the top of my head. It's not like games in the past were any better either. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
Whoever made the first hot take just literally be playing some basic ass games. Some of the greatest instrumental and digital music is coming from the indie scene and even triple A games like Nier and others.
@@fizzy9270 It's so weird. I don't know Whang's taste n games, but his usual dives into weird shit should make him try weird games with fantastic soundtracks tbh. Weird.
Video game music is getting so much better, what the fuck? Where I previously didn't listen to any of it, games like DOOM, Mirror's Edge, Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption, Deus Ex, Cuphead, Undertale/Deltarune, Battlefield (1 and V's are beautiful, shoutout Under The Flag) and so on are making me more and more interested in the genre.
Uncharted 3, Spider-man (2018), Zelda BOTW, God of War, Skyrim, and to cheat at little bit, Fifa 13-present I think the people who are saying this have no idea how great some of this generation's scores are.
Pictochat 2 from Smash Bros. My favourite stage in Ultimate is Pictochat BECAUSE of that song. Love its creativity and remixing of previous console noises (wii, dsi etc)
"Video game music is getting worse" *Me, taking Hollow Knight, Nier: Automata, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dark Souls, Gris, Journey, God of War, Undertale etc etc etc by the hand:* "Come on kids. This neighbourhood isn't safe"
There are some exceptions, but I think there is weight to the idea that new video game music is generally worse than old video game music. Some of the examples you listed are indie games from small teams, and aren't indicative of all music in video games. Also Undertale is a particularly bad example of modern game OSTs being good since that game's music is intentionally similar to the music from the GBA/Snes soundchip. It's literally meant to sound like the music from retro video games. It even uses direct samples from Earthbound's soundtrack. Also God of War has generic orchestra and so does a ton of triple A releases now. You could replace the music in God of War with the music from Assasin's Creed or Uncharted and literally nothing would change. It's all just epic/grand/wilderness type orchestra tracks. Compare that to something like the OST of LoZ; Majora's Mask or something, and the difference is night and day. A game like Chrono Trigger absolutely bodies something like Horizon Zero Dawn in the music department. Part of this is selection bias, though. I am comparing the music from mediocre modern games to the music from the greatest retro games ever made, so obviously there also exists really bad OSTs from retro games as well. However, the primitive console soundchips at the time prevented composers from using high-quality studio orchestra, so they needed to rely on making memorable compositions with MIDI programming of individual samples. In addition to this limitation, retro games often had their entire soundtracks composed by a single person, while most modern soundtracks are composed by large teams of composers and sound engineers. Because of these circumstances, Retro games tended to have very recognizable music, even if the music wasn't always the best. Pretty much everyone can recognize a track composed by Koji Kondo or Akira Yamaoka, but can you honestly be able to tell a song composed by one of the many God of War composers? Better yet, can you even tell apart the music from Assassins' creed Odyssey and Assassins' creed Orgins even though they were made by different people? I'm not so sure you can...
@@paolosworld99 weird to play a ubisoft game and then get surprised that it's ass, people are talking about indie games because that's where the creativity is in all respects, not just music
@@paolosworld99 you're a thousand times right that god of war music is fucking snooze inducing but also, tears of the kingdom came out this year and has an amazing soundtrack. Sonic frontiers, Xenoblade 3 last year. Halo Infinite also has some really memorable music. Undertale is not just 8 bit music btw. it is something completely different from its influences. you cant listen to hopes and dreams and tell me its just meant to sound like Earthbound. really i think its just cinematic games that are victim to boring soundtracks for the past few years. that tends to be playstation.
Persona 5, The last of Us, Nier, Kingdom Hearts, Undertale, Cuphead, freaking Witcher 3.. fair to say modern video game music is either returning to it’s glory days or it has never stopped being great.
Kingdom Hearts 3's soundtrack was just reused songs from past games or slightly remixed battle themes, the only new music was for the Disney worlds and the opening and outro.
Devil Trigger is literally the only good track in the game. Devil May Cry 5's soundtrack is underwhelming. Like, compare it to DMC3 which has arguably the best soundtrack in the series.
Big Sexy Burito He only plays smash. His knowledge of video game soundtracks is pretty embarrassing considering what his job entails. In a live stream he couldn't even recognise bfg division, and that has almost 15M views. I wouldn't worry about it.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez Yeah his Soundtrack knowledge is SUPER limited so im not sure why he answers these type of questions in the first place, he can't actually argue it....
Exactly. That title is the most blasphemous statement I have heard from Melon. We just had a full year of great game soundtracks. Celeste, Smash, God of War. Using Nier on the thumbnail for a title like that was a mistake. Makes Melon look ill- informed. As soon as you use the word "Worse" in describing a Platinum game (in most aspects but specifically music) we know your full of shit.
First person doesn't play a lot of videogames. There have been tons of great videogame soundtracks from recent years, especially in the indie gaming scene. I also see you're a melon of culture with that Nier: Automata background.
Mass Effect Trilogy,DOOM,Witcher Series,Nier,Nier Automata,Metal Gear Solid series,Minecraft,Dark Souls,Devil May Cry series and many more are proof Video Game music is just getting better
@@shrekisbae21 it doesn't matter if it's old it still counts look at halo or doom they're pretty old as well then why did he say "minecraft is old" It makes no absolutely no sense
>Celeste >Nier: Automata >Ori and the Blind Forest >DMC 5 >Undertale >Witcher 3 >Every Mario Game since Galaxy >DOOM 2016 I don't know about that one chief.
I instaclicked on this to say NOOOOOOOO. Video game music is the best it's ever been. NieR: Automata, Person's 5, Hollow Knight, Undertale, Celeste, and I could keep listing, but that couldn't be more wrong.
Videogame music back in the day also did focus on mood building. It's that there are more games rightnow, that's all. There's really really REALLY good music in new/somewhat-new games! I disagree, Melon!
Aside from the nostalgia factor that a lot of us gamers will cling to (old FF games, Mega Man games, Sonic games etc. will always be considered epic when it comes to VGM), video game soundtracks are better than they’ve ever been IMO. Octopath Traveler & Persona 5 for example have two of the greatest OSTs I’ve heard in my life. Then there’s God Of War, Hollow Knight and other games that have music that keeps you on edge while adding to the atmosphere.
I really disagree with the video game soundtrack argument. The last decade has had some of the best video game soundtracks EVER, with Persona 5's acid jazz, Life is Strange and Last of Us with some acoustic master pieces and Nier Automata, with music that perfectly reflects the moments and atmosfere of the game. Is not just a movie-like piece of music, it really builds the atmosfere and enviroment of the whole thing!
I disagree with Life is Strange having a good ost. Especially when you compare it to Persona 5 or Nier Automata. Its a bit too 'Hipster' for my liking.
@@BLOODMIESTER It obviously comes down to taste, but I really liked it. The electronic ambiences were nicely experimental for a triple A game too. Not to mention the "hipster" vibe perfectly fits the main character.
@@SiamHossain7 The hell are you talking about? It's true that there isn't a lot of variety when it comes to Japanese music, especially in regards to basically anything anime, but NieR:Automata's soundtrack is pretty iconic to the series, and definitely a noteworthy exception among Japanese video games. If you're so sure it would sound exactly the same with any other composer, then how about this? Provide a list of other Japanese composers that have created soundtracks similar or identical to the types of tracks offered by NieR. Go ahead, I'll be waiting. The only one that comes to mind is Motoi Sakuraba's remix of Destroyed Skyworld in Smash Bros Wii U, which is *one* track that has a somewhat NieR-esque vibe. NieR, and NieR:Automata both display Keiichi Okabe's particular style very well, a style well-defined to the same extent as that of Yuki Kajiura's. Excuse me if I'm more than just a little hesitant to believe your bold claim that simply any other composer from Japan would have created this exact soundtrack.
@@SiamHossain7 so kids, if you can't answer someone's argument, just make some silly and stupid reason and then go name calling! That will definitely make your braindead argument seems right! It also helped to show people your MASSIVE intellect! Not even trying. Shame.
@@damir_van_kalaz I disagree with your statement about japanese composers not having diversity in anime sound tracks. from powerful music with like a hundred different instruments to slow jazz its all there
I miss his old glasses.. this one is too old school and is annoying to watch at ..but if that’s what he likes and he is better with this one well that’s alright in the end..!
People claiming video game music has gotten worse are just nostalgia blinded people clinging to the time when they were 11 years old. It also has a lot to do with technical limitations of music back then. The NES for example couldn't produce more than 4 sounds at a time (6 with specially made chips like the VRC-6 used in the Japanese version of Castlevania III) and because of that they had to have a strong focus on melody in order not to be grating as fuck. People cling to melody more than anything else so as games were able to strip the technical limitations and have bigger ideas than "just" melodies that stick in your head some people naturally think it got worse. A great example of what vidya music used to be like and what it can be now is comparing the original versions of Final Fantasy songs with their renditions in Final Fantasy XIV. Stuff like Dancing Mad or Terra's Theme were amazing when they were first written by Nobuo Uematsu but the FFXIV versions completely murders them and takes them several levels above that.
@@hotlanta35 I'm fairly certain I'm older than you. In fact, I actually lived in the 80s and saw all the stuff people are nostalgic for being released. In terms of video games there basically is no "before I was born" unless you count shit like Tennis for Two or other stuff built using old radar machines and those games weren't exactly known for their stellar soundtracks.
most of what you said was completely baseless. unlucky. having nier in the background after claiming games are just movies these days is an awful start as well. maybe start with hollow knight's ost
I get what you're trying to say, but I think you might be reading into things unnecessarily. I think he just picked an image of a video game character playing music, not making a comment on Nier specifically. And he was probably referring to a lot of triple A games, which I can understand that movie comparison more for. Considering specific exceptions were made for two well known indie games in this makes me think he would also acknowledge something like Hollowknight, Undertale, etc., but likely doesn't play many games. So I wouldn't say his impressions are completely baseless when interpreting what he says in that context. And even then, the ending lines seem to indicate he's not totally dismissing modern video game music, just contrasting it with the sort of creativity and iconic simplicity you saw in technologically constrained early years, mostly for the sake of acknowledging where that tweet is coming from (which is largely the premise of this show). I also know plenty of people who are into less mainstream movie stuff that would disagree with the other side of that original tweet, but a majority of people immediately equate movies with Hollywood and thus take less issue with that generalization. So in that regard, just mentally rephrase the tweet and discussion to be about "Hollywood/Triple-A Games" - and disregard the choice of Nier as a background as a likely unintended irony.
And then you have games like Hotline Miami which basically “revived” or brought more popularity/listeners to a genre that would have otherwise gone unnoticed and forgotten if the game was never released
Should have read the comments before I posted, you're completely right, I'd go as far to say hotline Miami was a huge reason synth wave blew up so much
Actually, the movie "Drive" in 2011 was the reason why Synthwave came back and also why Hotline Miami was created. The aesthetic, music and plot was heavily inspired by Drive.
@@loganwilliams6594 One of the best JRPG soundtracks if not in the top 25 of all time. Not just are the songs catchy, but youtubers have broken down how good the music is on a technical level.
Carson Julvezan i understand neirs music is fucking amazing but... dude your basing that on the game awards, the poor man hours long shitty advertisement
Disagree. There's a lot of fantastic video game soundtrack getting released each year. NieR: Automata is a great example. Not only that the soundtrack build up the atmosphere and tone of the game, they tell stories. Each character's theme song in Devil May Cry V tells the story of the character, using the music to represent the character's personality. Even the lyrics symbolize the characters' developments throughout the story. Monster Hunter series have memorable soundtracks that set up and gives the monsters identities. Other memorable soundtracks came out in recent years: -Bloodborne -Dark Souls series -Final Fantasy series -God of War -Legend of Zelda series -Octopath Traveler -Persona 5 -Resident Evil 2 Remake -Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice -Super Smash Brothers Ultimate -Transistor -Witcher 3 -many many more, the list goes on and on. Video games soundtrack is not there to only heighten the mood. In many games, the soundtrack has to sync up with the mechanic and act as a signal for the players to properly interact with the mechanics. Many action games have soundtrack that does this. Also, calling most recent video games as interactive cinema is just pure ignorance.
No, not really. Zelda BOTW, Nier Automata, Red Dead Redemption 2, God of War, Mario Odyssey, to name a few that I've played recently. All amazing music. You may be focusing on the wrong music.
I disagree. Games like Nier Automata and the whole Final Fantasy 13 trilogy have shown that music has not been totally gone over the last 14ish years. I would argue its more east vs west where in eastern games music accompanies a scene where in western games its in the background of scenes. Both use liscensed music in their games at times which has a varying degree of effectiveness. Say what you want about Borderlands and the company who makes them, they do have entertaining intros with accompanying music. I think the real problems is music isn't a focus. Which fair enough it isn't always a focus but music or lack their of can make or break scenes in games. Fighting Anubis in ZOE2 is enhanced by the music, fighting a tv turned android disco machine in Undertale is enhanced dramatically by its music. A game's battle theme can change how much you want to fight. Persona 5 made you want fights to last longer because the music was excellent.
Whoever says videogames soundtracks are generic then you haven't heard the RDR 2 soundtrack, that shit make me cry, also the God of War soundtrack composed by the same guy from The Walking Dead, or the Spider-Man soundtrack make by the same guy who made the Daredevil theme song
Video Games from the past fifteen years or so (just off the top of my head) with soundtracks that are better than the Top 40 music of today: - Uncharted 1-4 - Persona 3, 4, and 5 - L.A. Noire - Fire Emblem: Awakening and FE Fates: Conquest - Undertale - Minecraft - Super Mario Galaxy - Kingdom Hearts 2 - Assassin's Creed II and AC: Revelations - Pokemon X, Y, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon - Halo 3 - Journey - Life Is Strange - Telltale Presents: The Walking Dead Season 1 and TP: The Wolf Among Us - The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim - Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin Edition - Catherine - Mafia 2 - Dishonored: GOTY Edition
DOOM and NieR: Automata Soundtracks: **exist** I am sorry what? This that the sound of that guy's take being so wrong it is breaking the sound barrier?
I wouldn't say better but different kinds of social commentary. This is America is a very specific song about current-year America while Chocoloate rain is a more general piece of social commentary.
Worst to best: Ummagumma More Endless River Momentary Lapse Final Cut Division Bell Atom Heart Mother Saucerful of Secrets Dark Side of the Moon Obscured by Clouds Wish You Were Here The Wall Piper at the Gates of Dawn Animals Meddle
Satisfactory Bagelfreund Why even buy RDR2 if you’re only going to play arguably the worst part of it? Go and play the storyline, it’s amazing. Online sucks so bad it will be dead by june.
I’ll play online after I completely beat the game 100% because picking up a game that solely focuses on its story, making its online counterparts overrated, is worth playing. Rockstar Games isn’t online only yet.
Really? Videogame music is getting better, just listen to The Witcher 3's OST, o No Man's Sky's OST, even Undertale has an amazing soundtrack, Bastion and Transistor also, maybe you aren't playing games with good soundtracks...
He literally put Nier; Automata in the background and claimed that video game music lacks good compositional genius, even though Nier has some of the best composed songs in their OST. They even made their own language for the choral stuff and can been seen as a very good mix of classical romantic era music and today's modern music.
He literally specified that he obviously knows that there are exceptions. He meant in general. If you actually were interested you should have looked into what he said.
@@OvPdTurtle the "general" thing is not even a thing. there is games with a good soundtrack and games with a mediocre one. Nothing different from 20 years ago. The thing is that he only remembers the good ones.
Putting "there are exceptions" means nothing in your sentence. It just adds a fake safety net for you to fall back on incase your intention was proven wrong.
Honestly, I unironically like the sound of "Chocolate Rain". That frantic, dramatic, unnerving keyboard riff has embedded itself inside my friggin' brain.
Movie scores nowadays mostly revolve around couple or several themes, while video game composers must apply more variety due to much greater length of the soundtrack.
That first one is so fucking blinded by nostalgia it hurts. NieR Automata and Replicant. Super Mario Odyssey. Undertale. Iconoclasts. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Team Fortress 2. Bloodborne. Demon’s Souls(remake AND original). Drakengard 3. I can keep going.
Video game music isn't getting worse, the whole, "It used to be better" attitude is just nostalgia speaking - you remember the good classics, but you played about a hundred games as a kid & you remember about ten of the good games & each of them had one or two tracks you liked. You remember FFX's "Hymn of the Faith" & "To Zanarkand" because they were good tracks, but you probably don't remember "This is the music that plays on path two of jungle area" & "This is the music that plays during an underwater battle on this island". Much in the same way you don't remember any song from Inspector Gadgets Crazy Maze, Shrek's Treasure Hunt & Hot Wheels Stunt Track Challenge - yes, those are all games that exist. It's just like when people grow up & they say, "My era of music was better than this", no, you've just filtered out all the shit & right now, you're dealing with good shit & bad shit. The 80s had some great shit & we still listen to it to this day, but it had bad shit & we left it there, now no one remembers it. No one remembers bad soundtracks from 90s games - it's as dead as they are. In the past couple years I've been really impressed with a lot of video game soundtracks, notably games like Hollow Knight, Nier Automata & Persona 5. Likewise, there'll be a tonne of forgettable soundtracks & bad ones, they'll be lost to the winds of time & in 20 years people will say, "Remember Nier Automata's soundtrack? The 10s had the best video game soundtracks". As for mood, all music is there to heighten mood, whether action packed, ambient, sombre, etc. think about Digimon World for the PS1 - used a bunch of short, simple loops for the music in each area & flipped them for night & day time. A small change of instruments or pace was there to heighten the mood - but you wouldn't compare that to like an Uncharted soundtrack, but they fill the same roles.
that was some pleb videogame music talk from both whang and anthony. you're either not playing enough games or not paying attention to the good stuff. id rather listen to game osts than regular music any day. doesn't matter if it's old or new.
One question. Why? I understand when you want to do something and not focus on what you're listening to, but why any day? Music is it's own thing. Soundtracks exist to compliment something.
@@aR0ttenBANANA Listen to anything from the persona series or nier and come back after you've changed your mind. There's also fighting game soundtracks and many more dont just limit thousands of video game OSTs to "mood setting"
@@ididgt4259 The Transistor soundtrack is good with or without the game, it's just better with it. I'd rather listen to it than a lot of mainstream music. Would I choose it over any music? Nah, there's some great stuff out there. But some OSTs are just pretty good even as a standalone piece, and if you played/watched what it's from, it can evoke those feelings from when you watched it again. It's a nice feeling.
Go listen to Hyper Light Drifter, Oxenfree, Transistor, The Banner Saga, UNRAVEL(!!!) It's absolutely mesmerising and beautiful. I think it's quite the opposite, the more great story/narrative focused indie games come out, the better the music gets, and not only indie, the AAA stuff got pretty extraordinary too. I was never a big fan of Assassin's Creed music, but bold experimentations in Origins really hooked me, and the list goes on and on. Actually, recently I listen to more game music than almost any other genre. In my opinion this industry grew enourmusly lately.
You listed some great example there. I could give you so many more too. There's so much good music from just the last few years. I think the problem is there's so many games now that it's hard to find the good stuff. Oh and the fact a lot of big AAA games have generic sounding scores.
Also, HOW are we forgetting Gustavo Santaolalla’s STELLAR ost for The Last of Us (he also did the score for Babel which is one of my favorite movies). Furthermore, Johnny Greenwood’s many scores such as There Will Be Blood!
GameJunkyard True. Also the main theme in piano is really great. and there’s 4 really great metal bonus tracks that fit thematically with the game. Super cool stuff.
Mass Effect and Bioshock: Infinite are two soundtracks from last gen than absolutely stand out to me as examples of memorable video game music. Especially Mass Effect. Every time I hear the Galaxy Map music, I'm instantly taken back to the Normandy and all of my friends. And B:I's pop music covers are some of my favorites of the last decade, like the barbershop quartet version of "God Only Knows." Good stuff. I wish I had more current examples but I am so far behind this gen.
the suicide mission theme is honestly fucking amazing, and the fact that the leaving earth track has been used in tv shows like top gear & daredevil says a lot too
Being respectful here.GoW sounded generic and Zelda Botw seemed to have very little music other than background music.Red Dead 2 yes I agree with that one...best game I played in years.
i love that you answer your title questions first, people who wanted to know the answer get what they expect and after that it's all a bonus and if you're interested you feel free to keep watching, not many youtubers would do the same i believe
Ignored the amazing work a lot of Indie Games put into their music. Ignored the NieR: Automata wallpaper on your green-screen. Hardly provided any examples of modern game music. This is like the 4th time recently I've heard you gush about Minecraft and nothing else. Bloodborne ost is top tier.
0:35 Modern video game/movie music has gotten more generic 1:58 Chocolate Rain is a better social commentary than This Is America 3:19 Denzel Curry needs to make a metal album 3:41 S H U T U P A N D E N J O Y T H E M U S I C 5:21 2-D tries way too hard to sound like Damon Albarn 5:27 John Darnielle deserves a Pulitzer 5:55 The Mollusk is one of the most influential albums of our generation 6:20 TH-cam is destined for another AdPocalypse 7:55 CAN WE JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND STOP ARGUING!?!? 8:07 Super Mario 64's soundtrack revolutionized country music 8:31 6ix9ine is a good role model for children 8:44 Singing Frank Sinatra's "My Way" in a karaoke bar should result in an immediate ban 9:26 Fortnite could've gotten a better artist than Marshmello to play the virtual concert 9:51 Drake is two boys in a Drake costume 10:02 Your glasses are fake and you wear them for aesthetic reasons
God, Whang's opinion on modern soundtracks is a carbon copy equivalent to having people experiencing these soundtracks for the first time and making them feel like "they're born in the wrong generation" and I'm sure everyone knows why that phrase is annoying. Laziness in understanding change in a rapidly evolving medium that are video games, ignorance in the effort of soundtracks that try their absolute best to connect their soundtracks to the games thematically and symbolically such as in Persona and ESPECIALLY NieR. And the lack of knowledge that chiptune is in fact a genre, not a thing of the past. Listen to "Rolling down the Street, In My Katamari" and "Surfing on a Sine Wave" by FearofDark. It's gonna blow your mind.
Not only do I disagree with the first hot take, I'd say video game OSTs are the biggest supplier of great orchestral and classical music in modern times.
Verd254 I absolutely agree.the night is still young for video games.
Agreed
this. All of this
Yeah I usually do not gatekeep but I think anyone who doesn’t see it that way genuinely has no idea what they are talking about. The Bloodborne soundtrack should have won a Grammy, and the nier automata and hollowknight soundtracks are some of the best music I’ve ever heard.
I guess maybe someone who says that is someone who plays mainly the most mainstream of games, where their music isn’t as “memorable”, I have no doubt those soundtracks are great as well though.
While I dont mind orchestral and classic instruments being used, I wondered what about metal and rock? If you played, say Half Life 2, you would know the soundtracks also used metal and rock in them. Now we have almost every game using orchestra. I'm just asking why we need orchestra in everything in video game? Sure it helps players have a job, but I want to hear some good rock or metal tracks from video games.
Undertale
Bloodborne
Nier: Automata
God of War
The Last of Us
Red Dead 2
Persona 5
That's just a bunch of games that have great themes/soundtracks right off the top of my head.
It's not like games in the past were any better either. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
Ace Combat 7 also
Kingdom Hearts my man
Fire Emblem have some great ones too
Dances in Scala Ad Caelum theme.
Do NOT forget Doom!
Whoever made the first hot take just literally be playing some basic ass games. Some of the greatest instrumental and digital music is coming from the indie scene and even triple A games like Nier and others.
Wasn't that Whang! You are referring to?
I can't believe Whang himself said this shit as well. Makes no sense.
@@davidsosa507 Maybe he means AAA soundtracks? Could be more nostalgic for ones he grew up with/played a lot of. Still weird coming from him though
@@fizzy9270 It's so weird. I don't know Whang's taste n games, but his usual dives into weird shit should make him try weird games with fantastic soundtracks tbh.
Weird.
@@fizzy9270 Even with AAA games it doesn't make much sense considering Horizon Zero Dawn and God Of War.
Video game music is getting so much better, what the fuck? Where I previously didn't listen to any of it, games like DOOM, Mirror's Edge, Assassin's Creed, Red Dead Redemption, Deus Ex, Cuphead, Undertale/Deltarune, Battlefield (1 and V's are beautiful, shoutout Under The Flag) and so on are making me more and more interested in the genre.
That Ezio Trilogy soundtrack is so fucking good for reading fantasy books or historical books. It sets the perfect mood!
Nier: Automata. Incredible instrumentals aside, the composers CREATED a futuristic language (mix of English, Mandarin, few others) for the lyrics.
I would like to point out that the Persona series is 20 years old. That alone invalidates any criticism against modern videogame OSTs.
Uncharted 3, Spider-man (2018), Zelda BOTW, God of War, Skyrim, and to cheat at little bit, Fifa 13-present
I think the people who are saying this have no idea how great some of this generation's scores are.
Pictochat 2 from Smash Bros. My favourite stage in Ultimate is Pictochat BECAUSE of that song. Love its creativity and remixing of previous console noises (wii, dsi etc)
>Videogame soundtracks nowadays lack the compositional genius they had before.
>Shows Nier Automata in the background.
>Dude, what.
Same exact thought. I thought he was gonna bring up Nier to combat this comment hence the background.
Yeah I'm confused too. The original Nier's soundtrack is better but Automata's is almost just as good. Maybe it was just bait lol
@@ADreamingTraveler at the very beginning of the slide he puts a disclaimer for a few frames
@@Grizz31 Eh, I don't really do it often, and I'm not a channer, so there's that. Also, fixed.
If you knew anything about music you'd know Nier is objectively awful. It's all studio tricks to make bad music seem decent to the untrained ear.
"Video game music is getting worse"
*Me, taking Hollow Knight, Nier: Automata, Ori and the Blind Forest, Dark Souls, Gris, Journey, God of War, Undertale etc etc etc by the hand:*
"Come on kids. This neighbourhood isn't safe"
Did you not watch the video
i hope to never interact with you (hollow knight fandom)
There are some exceptions, but I think there is weight to the idea that new video game music is generally worse than old video game music.
Some of the examples you listed are indie games from small teams, and aren't indicative of all music in video games.
Also Undertale is a particularly bad example of modern game OSTs being good since that game's music is intentionally similar to the music from the GBA/Snes soundchip. It's literally meant to sound like the music from retro video games. It even uses direct samples from Earthbound's soundtrack.
Also God of War has generic orchestra and so does a ton of triple A releases now. You could replace the music in God of War with the music from Assasin's Creed or Uncharted and literally nothing would change. It's all just epic/grand/wilderness type orchestra tracks. Compare that to something like the OST of LoZ; Majora's Mask or something, and the difference is night and day. A game like Chrono Trigger absolutely bodies something like Horizon Zero Dawn in the music department.
Part of this is selection bias, though. I am comparing the music from mediocre modern games to the music from the greatest retro games ever made, so obviously there also exists really bad OSTs from retro games as well. However, the primitive console soundchips at the time prevented composers from using high-quality studio orchestra, so they needed to rely on making memorable compositions with MIDI programming of individual samples. In addition to this limitation, retro games often had their entire soundtracks composed by a single person, while most modern soundtracks are composed by large teams of composers and sound engineers. Because of these circumstances, Retro games tended to have very recognizable music, even if the music wasn't always the best. Pretty much everyone can recognize a track composed by Koji Kondo or Akira Yamaoka, but can you honestly be able to tell a song composed by one of the many God of War composers?
Better yet, can you even tell apart the music from Assassins' creed Odyssey and Assassins' creed Orgins even though they were made by different people? I'm not so sure you can...
@@paolosworld99 weird to play a ubisoft game and then get surprised that it's ass, people are talking about indie games because that's where the creativity is in all respects, not just music
@@paolosworld99 you're a thousand times right that god of war music is fucking snooze inducing but also, tears of the kingdom came out this year and has an amazing soundtrack. Sonic frontiers, Xenoblade 3 last year. Halo Infinite also has some really memorable music. Undertale is not just 8 bit music btw. it is something completely different from its influences. you cant listen to hopes and dreams and tell me its just meant to sound like Earthbound.
really i think its just cinematic games that are victim to boring soundtracks for the past few years. that tends to be playstation.
Persona 5, The last of Us, Nier, Kingdom Hearts, Undertale, Cuphead, freaking Witcher 3.. fair to say modern video game music is either returning to it’s glory days or it has never stopped being great.
JE7 souls and bloodborne as well. I’ll go out of my way to listen to them
I actually think there are more video games with great soundtracks than not out there.
I'm really enjoying Anthem's soundtrack. Same lady who made AC Origins
Same with dmc music, can you imagine kicking the crap out of demons without that kick ass music lol
Kingdom Hearts 3's soundtrack was just reused songs from past games or slightly remixed battle themes, the only new music was for the Disney worlds and the opening and outro.
Video game music is still fantastic nowadays. Games like Undertale, Celeste, Super Mario Odyssey, Nier:Automata, and countless others.
Your avatar seems so fitting for this comment.
I came to the comments to post about Celeste but you’re already on top of it 🙏
Spelunky is a fantastic soundtrack too.
Celeste Squad!!!
dont forget doom: the pure adrenaline rush in the form of soundwaves that adapts to what is going on.
yall aint ever used Wii shop have u?
You could make a killer album just off the Wii Music.
wii humble
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S1MPLET0N the best is the busta rhymes though
@@ex_vitae this is my personal favourite
With games like Knack 2, how can you say there is bad video game music today
Knack 2 4ever
KNACK 2 BAYBEEEEEEE
Ice
Is nice
GAME OF THE YEAR BAYYYYBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
*Nintendo and the entire indie game landscape are typing...*
((Well I mean they got a point tho))
The main theme of Devil May Cry 5 is literally more popular than the game itself and I'm okay with that
FRUSTRATION IS GETTING BIGGER!
BANG!
*BANG!*
*BANG!!!!*
*PULL MY DEVIL TRIGGER!!!!*
What about:
SAVIOR - BLOODSTAIN - HELLFIRE - SHADOW... HEAVEN ON A LANDSLIDE!
*_YOU CANNOT KILL MEEEE! I AM OMEGAAAA!_*
@@Brainwave101 *I AM A MANGO
Devil Trigger is literally the only good track in the game. Devil May Cry 5's soundtrack is underwhelming. Like, compare it to DMC3 which has arguably the best soundtrack in the series.
Saw Nier Automata in the thumbnail and expected you to praise this game’s stellar soundtrack.
Pretty disappointed, not gonna lie
Big Sexy Burito He only plays smash. His knowledge of video game soundtracks is pretty embarrassing considering what his job entails. In a live stream he couldn't even recognise bfg division, and that has almost 15M views. I wouldn't worry about it.
I'm sure he put it there understanding how widely its loved tho. And It's no wonder it won best score when it came out
@@En_Joshi-Godrez Yeah his Soundtrack knowledge is SUPER limited so im not sure why he answers these type of questions in the first place, he can't actually argue it....
Exactly. That title is the most blasphemous statement I have heard from Melon. We just had a full year of great game soundtracks. Celeste, Smash, God of War. Using Nier on the thumbnail for a title like that was a mistake. Makes Melon look ill- informed. As soon as you use the word "Worse" in describing a Platinum game (in most aspects but specifically music) we know your full of shit.
@@habadasheryjones it wasn't is statement tho
First person doesn't play a lot of videogames. There have been tons of great videogame soundtracks from recent years, especially in the indie gaming scene.
I also see you're a melon of culture with that Nier: Automata background.
This.
Hotline Miami
fucking doom
Hyper Light Drifter easily has one of my favorite indie game soundtracks. That OST invokes emotions in me I didn’t think existed
Persona 5 has the best soundtrack of any game imo
Mass Effect Trilogy,DOOM,Witcher Series,Nier,Nier Automata,Metal Gear Solid series,Minecraft,Dark Souls,Devil May Cry series and many more are proof Video Game music is just getting better
Dark holes series too
Minecraft is old
@@pineapplepie4929 ur shit
@@Azure9577 just because saying a game is old doesn't mean hes saying its shit. Hes not wrong either, already 11 years old, why are you mad about it
@@shrekisbae21 it doesn't matter if it's old it still counts look at halo or doom they're pretty old as well then why did he say "minecraft is old" It makes no absolutely no sense
Anthony as of may this year minecraft will be 10 years old and it is your civic duty to review the minecraft soundtrack when the anniversary comes
I agree with this
I think Melon said that he would give it an 8 if I'm not mistaken. So Minecraft Soundtrack>MBDTF
do it.
Wait what
NieR, The Witcher 3, and Hollow Knight have fantastic soundtracks. Completely 100% disagree about them getting worse.
pam pa ram, pam pam pa raaam... pam pa ram
*Polish women shouting harmoniously in the background*
@@odingerke1463 I rate it
Souless
Only good new Videogame soundtrack (9/10) are Cuphead AND Celeste
That's it
The rest are just mediocre
*SHOVEL KNIGHT AS WELL*
>Celeste
>Nier: Automata
>Ori and the Blind Forest
>DMC 5
>Undertale
>Witcher 3
>Every Mario Game since Galaxy
>DOOM 2016
I don't know about that one chief.
Debatable about DMC5. The battle themes are amazing, but they arent played enough in favour of generic music filling the background
Persona 5
Journey
Breath of the Wild
@@Vexce11en1 WAKE UP GET UP GET OUT THERE
If you think video game music is getting worse then you have clearly not heard the sans undertale theme.
Memes aside, Undertale has a hot ass soundtrack
@@PretentiousAdonis FACTS
Its called Meglovania
hopes and dreams is the true masterpiece
I instaclicked on this to say NOOOOOOOO. Video game music is the best it's ever been. NieR: Automata, Person's 5, Hollow Knight, Undertale, Celeste, and I could keep listing, but that couldn't be more wrong.
Celeste had some great tracks def agree
Kingdom hearts
Minecraft
Destiny.
Destiny, Bloodborne, Dark Souls 3, Hyper Light Drifter
Twitter: has a troll post
Fantano: actually analyzes it
plz confirm that it was a troll post
@@LTDLetsPlays it's Justin Whang
I disagree minecraft music is literally the most memorable thing ever
Oblivion NPC maybe it’s not memorable to melon because he didn’t grow up with Minecraft like a lot of the people who use the Internet today.
@@luisduarte86 understandable
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Videogame music back in the day also did focus on mood building. It's that there are more games rightnow, that's all.
There's really really REALLY good music in new/somewhat-new games! I disagree, Melon!
Dear god yeah, so many great OST's, hell today we have games he use music in interesting and wonderful ways
Sonic Mania has some of the best music I've heard in a game.
Destiny has a fantastic soundtrack that no one really talks about.
Doom, and eventually Doom Eternal
Video Game Music is incredible nowadays. I disagree. NieR: Automata, Metal Gear Rising, Kingdom Hearts 2, Drakengard......
Breath of the Wild has a very memorable soundtrack, just by listening to the Guardian battle music you have PTSD
And it uses unconventional time signatures very well, it's fascinating. Plus, it's some absolutely beautiful ambient.
Aside from the nostalgia factor that a lot of us gamers will cling to (old FF games, Mega Man games, Sonic games etc. will always be considered epic when it comes to VGM), video game soundtracks are better than they’ve ever been IMO. Octopath Traveler & Persona 5 for example have two of the greatest OSTs I’ve heard in my life. Then there’s God Of War, Hollow Knight and other games that have music that keeps you on edge while adding to the atmosphere.
OML persona 5 OST fucks me up. powerful ass game and OST whew lad.
I really disagree with the video game soundtrack argument. The last decade has had some of the best video game soundtracks EVER, with Persona 5's acid jazz, Life is Strange and Last of Us with some acoustic master pieces and Nier Automata, with music that perfectly reflects the moments and atmosfere of the game. Is not just a movie-like piece of music, it really builds the atmosfere and enviroment of the whole thing!
every time people compare new x vs old x they make the mistake of comparing only the good old x vs all of the new x
I disagree with Life is Strange having a good ost. Especially when you compare it to Persona 5 or Nier Automata. Its a bit too 'Hipster' for my liking.
@@BLOODMIESTER It obviously comes down to taste, but I really liked it. The electronic ambiences were nicely experimental for a triple A game too. Not to mention the "hipster" vibe perfectly fits the main character.
So close...
Same. Octopath Traveler is godly.
You have Nier Automata in the background. One of the most memorable soundtracks ever.
@@SiamHossain7
The hell are you talking about? It's true that there isn't a lot of variety when it comes to Japanese music, especially in regards to basically anything anime, but NieR:Automata's soundtrack is pretty iconic to the series, and definitely a noteworthy exception among Japanese video games.
If you're so sure it would sound exactly the same with any other composer, then how about this? Provide a list of other Japanese composers that have created soundtracks similar or identical to the types of tracks offered by NieR. Go ahead, I'll be waiting. The only one that comes to mind is Motoi Sakuraba's remix of Destroyed Skyworld in Smash Bros Wii U, which is *one* track that has a somewhat NieR-esque vibe.
NieR, and NieR:Automata both display Keiichi Okabe's particular style very well, a style well-defined to the same extent as that of Yuki Kajiura's. Excuse me if I'm more than just a little hesitant to believe your bold claim that simply any other composer from Japan would have created this exact soundtrack.
@@SiamHossain7 so kids, if you can't answer someone's argument, just make some silly and stupid reason and then go name calling! That will definitely make your braindead argument seems right! It also helped to show people your MASSIVE intellect!
Not even trying. Shame.
Zephyr Skies your a fucking dumbass
@@SiamHossain7 There is no reason to act like a fucking cock.
@@damir_van_kalaz I disagree with your statement about japanese composers not having diversity in anime sound tracks. from powerful music with like a hundred different instruments to slow jazz its all there
Nier:Automata, Persona 5, Celeste, Hollow knight, Shovel Knight.
You honestly do not know what you are talking about melonman
@@VAKinc who tf listens to what that idiot says?? I just insult his rating choices
i think he at least knows a little bit of what he's talking about but those are all great picks so i'll like it anyways
Don't forget about, DOOM(2016) and Eternal
Lmao literally put Nier in the fucking thumbnail. He’s arguing that this is a poor take. And he’s right. It is.
>persona 5
>good music
Pick one
Let's argue: your glasses get worse
i ........Agree........to disagree
lol he said lets argue
😂😂😂😂😂
@@louismyatt1507 i know but CAN WE JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND STOP ARGUING ?
I miss his old glasses.. this one is too old school and is annoying to watch at ..but if that’s what he likes and he is better with this one well that’s alright in the end..!
People claiming video game music has gotten worse are just nostalgia blinded people clinging to the time when they were 11 years old. It also has a lot to do with technical limitations of music back then. The NES for example couldn't produce more than 4 sounds at a time (6 with specially made chips like the VRC-6 used in the Japanese version of Castlevania III) and because of that they had to have a strong focus on melody in order not to be grating as fuck. People cling to melody more than anything else so as games were able to strip the technical limitations and have bigger ideas than "just" melodies that stick in your head some people naturally think it got worse.
A great example of what vidya music used to be like and what it can be now is comparing the original versions of Final Fantasy songs with their renditions in Final Fantasy XIV. Stuff like Dancing Mad or Terra's Theme were amazing when they were first written by Nobuo Uematsu but the FFXIV versions completely murders them and takes them several levels above that.
No you just hate the fact everything was cooler before you were born.
@@hotlanta35 I'm fairly certain I'm older than you. In fact, I actually lived in the 80s and saw all the stuff people are nostalgic for being released. In terms of video games there basically is no "before I was born" unless you count shit like Tennis for Two or other stuff built using old radar machines and those games weren't exactly known for their stellar soundtracks.
I am almost 46..but all I know is what I like
@@hotlanta35 Of course you are.
I was born in 73..
Let's argue having the best teeth in the game isn't worth it if you have the worse hairline in the game.
Nier; automata on the thumbnail. HELL YEH
Never thought I'd see that. Nier Automata/Gestalt collection, best vinyl I own lol
YEEEEEEES
MY WIFE, 2B REALLY OUT HERE
Baited me hard and he didn't even mention it
I wanted to like this game so much but it was so long and drawn out. Doesnt get good till route c 30 hours into the game
most of what you said was completely baseless. unlucky. having nier in the background after claiming games are just movies these days is an awful start as well.
maybe start with hollow knight's ost
haha yeah i felt this as well, how can you put NieR in the background and then claim modern vg osts are lackluster?
Seriously, NieR is one of the best example when it comes to "Video game narratives as video games" and not "Video game narratives as movies".
I get what you're trying to say, but I think you might be reading into things unnecessarily.
I think he just picked an image of a video game character playing music, not making a comment on Nier specifically.
And he was probably referring to a lot of triple A games, which I can understand that movie comparison more for. Considering specific exceptions were made for two well known indie games in this makes me think he would also acknowledge something like Hollowknight, Undertale, etc., but likely doesn't play many games. So I wouldn't say his impressions are completely baseless when interpreting what he says in that context.
And even then, the ending lines seem to indicate he's not totally dismissing modern video game music, just contrasting it with the sort of creativity and iconic simplicity you saw in technologically constrained early years, mostly for the sake of acknowledging where that tweet is coming from (which is largely the premise of this show).
I also know plenty of people who are into less mainstream movie stuff that would disagree with the other side of that original tweet, but a majority of people immediately equate movies with Hollywood and thus take less issue with that generalization.
So in that regard, just mentally rephrase the tweet and discussion to be about "Hollywood/Triple-A Games" - and disregard the choice of Nier as a background as a likely unintended irony.
It was the fucking editor, blame him not Anthony
The more music Anthony Fantano reviews, the further his glasses fall down the bridge of his nose.
Goddamnit, channel ruined
Review the Persona 5 soundtrack.
Play a real shen magoomy tensay anthony
We’ll never see it coming
Colton Brown The fuck is a shen magoomy tensay Anthony?
@@Wallie33. Shin Megami tensei
SeniorSandman Lol i actually did knew what it was, i was just joking but thanks either way.
"video game music is getting worse"
me: *laughs in Payday 2*
And then you have games like Hotline Miami which basically “revived” or brought more popularity/listeners to a genre that would have otherwise gone unnoticed and forgotten if the game was never released
Hotline Miami introduced me to Carpenter brut, which I still listen to today
Should have read the comments before I posted, you're completely right, I'd go as far to say hotline Miami was a huge reason synth wave blew up so much
Actually, the movie "Drive" in 2011 was the reason why Synthwave came back and also why Hotline Miami was created. The aesthetic, music and plot was heavily inspired by Drive.
@@TheCivildecay I have been listening to that guy all morning, and I would to thank you for that.
@@PCB27 great to hear!
Arte's release party movie of carpenter brut is pure gold: th-cam.com/video/LVnJsLiK4hc/w-d-xo.html
Look up Bloodborne Lady Maria OST. Video game music is good, you just don’t know where to look.
Bloodborne's soundtrack is fucking fantastic and super underrated compared to its Souls cousin.
@@thegreatcornholio2941 AB-SO-FUCKING-LUTELY! I see you my fellow hoonta!
I agree completely. Or Ludwig's theme! Orphan's theme! Gherman's Theme!!
All soulsborne soundtracks are amazing! Even demons souls with its janky ass fake orchestra sound lol
DOOM.
That guy has clearly not played persona 5
That game had the best soundtrack of 2017, fight me.
@@loganwilliams6594 One of the best JRPG soundtracks if not in the top 25 of all time. Not just are the songs catchy, but youtubers have broken down how good the music is on a technical level.
@@loganwilliams6594 ok then you didnt play nier. it won Best Score/Soundtrack at the 2017 game awards.
Carson Julvezan i understand neirs music is fucking amazing but... dude your basing that on the game awards, the poor man hours long shitty advertisement
Undoubtedly the best music I've heard in a game in a very long time, nier is the only thing that comes close
Video game soundtracks are in no way geting worse
That's objectivly false
I got a Wendy's ad before this video.
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#AnthonyIsAShill
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Anthony is a fraud
corporathony shilltano
Eats spicy goodness
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Disagree.
There's a lot of fantastic video game soundtrack getting released each year.
NieR: Automata is a great example. Not only that the soundtrack build up the atmosphere and tone of the game, they tell stories.
Each character's theme song in Devil May Cry V tells the story of the character, using the music to represent the character's personality. Even the lyrics symbolize the characters' developments throughout the story.
Monster Hunter series have memorable soundtracks that set up and gives the monsters identities.
Other memorable soundtracks came out in recent years:
-Bloodborne
-Dark Souls series
-Final Fantasy series
-God of War
-Legend of Zelda series
-Octopath Traveler
-Persona 5
-Resident Evil 2 Remake
-Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice
-Super Smash Brothers Ultimate
-Transistor
-Witcher 3
-many many more, the list goes on and on.
Video games soundtrack is not there to only heighten the mood. In many games, the soundtrack has to sync up with the mechanic and act as a signal for the players to properly interact with the mechanics. Many action games have soundtrack that does this.
Also, calling most recent video games as interactive cinema is just pure ignorance.
@Walther Penne "u mAd BrO? XdxdDxdXd" jesus christ
@Walther Penne go back to 2014 man
@Walther Penne cringe
“Calling most recent video games as interactive cinema is just pure ignorance” how is he wrong though
Your glasses are the same shape as the talismans from Jackie Chan Adventures.
You coulda just said stop sign or something
@@handlesarestupid154 The example the comment used is much more entertaining 😂
JACKIEEEEEEE!!!
@@paddyoconnor91 UNCLLLLLEEEE!!!
Ooooonnnee mooooorrree thing!
Orange flannel? I guess this video is *ABOVE* *AVERAGE*
You could say that this episode's hot takes were a 6/10, which is about as above average as MBTDF
mildly adequate
Hey we have the same pfp
No, not really. Zelda BOTW, Nier Automata, Red Dead Redemption 2, God of War, Mario Odyssey, to name a few that I've played recently. All amazing music. You may be focusing on the wrong music.
Nier: Automata has an incredible soundtrack. And story. And gameplay. And...
2B
Visuals
robot suicide cult
panty shots
Glory to Mankind.
Just came to say the title is wrong and that person is playing the wrong games
I disagree. Games like Nier Automata and the whole Final Fantasy 13 trilogy have shown that music has not been totally gone over the last 14ish years. I would argue its more east vs west where in eastern games music accompanies a scene where in western games its in the background of scenes. Both use liscensed music in their games at times which has a varying degree of effectiveness. Say what you want about Borderlands and the company who makes them, they do have entertaining intros with accompanying music. I think the real problems is music isn't a focus. Which fair enough it isn't always a focus but music or lack their of can make or break scenes in games. Fighting Anubis in ZOE2 is enhanced by the music, fighting a tv turned android disco machine in Undertale is enhanced dramatically by its music. A game's battle theme can change how much you want to fight. Persona 5 made you want fights to last longer because the music was excellent.
OpticalJesu5 did you play any of the halo games or even a game like dead cells?
Dude the battle theme from ff13 is still in my head to this day
Truth
Let's Argue: Anderson .Paak needs to bring thatistheplan back.
BACHUR AGREE
To the teeth mobile
But that Persona 5 soundtrack though
Bro the red dead 2 and god of war soundtracks were incredible
bean 1 persona 5 and Celeste and nier automata as well
I love red dead redemption 2 and god of war have spectacular soundtracks
What about super Mario odyssey and super smash bros ultimate
New Donk City theme goes hard af
The song at the end of Mario odyssey is a bop
Smash Bros Ultimate is probably the best soundtrack since Beyond
Steam Gardens tho
Not to mention Indie games like Celeste
Whoever says videogames soundtracks are generic then you haven't heard the RDR 2 soundtrack, that shit make me cry, also the God of War soundtrack composed by the same guy from The Walking Dead, or the Spider-Man soundtrack make by the same guy who made the Daredevil theme song
NieR: Automata and Persona 5's OST are others that are downright phenomenal and timeless.
@@chimeraguts yeah, they are as well
Bloodborne or Dark Souls 3 soundtrack anyone?
@@ryanbollinger1759 great as well
Fabrizzio Trujillo Don’t forget about Guitar Hero 3, so many unforgettable original tunes in that game.
*Argues the quality of videogamemusic gets worse.
*Has Nier Automata as background.
REALLY?!
What do you mean “compositonal quality” going down? Lmfao sorry fantano... I will argue. You’re wrong
Damn i found haedox
Lit
uwu Haedox senpai :3
Have you listened to the Doom (2016) soundtrack?!
RIP AND TEAR. UNTIL IT IS DONE.
Thank you
FLESH AND METAL.
*STILL WAITING FOR ETERNAL'S OST*
Video Games from the past fifteen years or so (just off the top of my head) with soundtracks that are better than the Top 40 music of today:
- Uncharted 1-4
- Persona 3, 4, and 5
- L.A. Noire
- Fire Emblem: Awakening and FE Fates: Conquest
- Undertale
- Minecraft
- Super Mario Galaxy
- Kingdom Hearts 2
- Assassin's Creed II and AC: Revelations
- Pokemon X, Y, Ultra Sun, and Ultra Moon
- Halo 3
- Journey
- Life Is Strange
- Telltale Presents: The Walking Dead Season 1 and TP: The Wolf Among Us
- The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim
- Dark Souls 2: Scholar of the First Sin Edition
- Catherine
- Mafia 2
- Dishonored: GOTY Edition
fucking nerd over here
I'm surprised you didn't mention The Witcher 3 off the top of your head... or DOOM.
*Doesn't bring up Nier or The Witcher 3*
Wait. What?
Tekken 3, Smash Bros,
Out of all Soulsbourne games, you pick DS2
The Red Dead Redemption 2 soundtrack was phenomenal
Using the word phenomenal automatically makes your statement true
my favorite soundtrack ever tbh
American Venom was boner inducing
The first one too
That D'Angelo song made me fucking cry bro
DOOM and NieR: Automata Soundtracks: **exist**
I am sorry what? This that the sound of that guy's take being so wrong it is breaking the sound barrier?
this guys never heard of the halo soundtrack. The Destiny and Destiny 2 soundtracks are some of the most memorable compositions I've ever heard.
Chocolate Rain IS a better social commentary than this is america
I wouldn't say better but different kinds of social commentary. This is America is a very specific song about current-year America while Chocoloate rain is a more general piece of social commentary.
*looks at halo*
you’ll forever be the best...
Lol
Final Fantasy X*
@ zelda oot man
Mega Man 3 boi
@Malum ur mom gey
Persona 5 soundtrack makes the game so much better
I cant imagine persona 5 without the music it feels like the game itself
PINK FLOYD WORST TO BEST PLEASE
That’s a weird way of spelling “DEATH BEST TO BEST PLEASE”
Worst to best:
Ummagumma
More
Endless River
Momentary Lapse
Final Cut
Division Bell
Atom Heart Mother
Saucerful of Secrets
Dark Side of the Moon
Obscured by Clouds
Wish You Were Here
The Wall
Piper at the Gates of Dawn
Animals
Meddle
@@crustpunkjesuschrist Put Final Cut at the bottom, it's barely a musical album.
@@Dillbob1 shut the fuck up
THE BEST: ANIMALS
THE WORST: EVERYTHING AFTER THE WALL
Thats all anyone needs to know and DAFS DA TRUF TIGGA
Rdr2 soundtrack was pretty great
Satisfactory Bagelfreund Why even buy RDR2 if you’re only going to play arguably the worst part of it? Go and play the storyline, it’s amazing. Online sucks so bad it will be dead by june.
Especially the wanted themes.
I’ll play online after I completely beat the game 100% because picking up a game that solely focuses on its story, making its online counterparts overrated, is worth playing.
Rockstar Games isn’t online only yet.
@Satisfactory Bagelfreund play story my guy
ending theme 1 tho😫
Nier: Automata
DOOM
Undertale
Ori and the Blind Forest
Xenoblade Chronicles
Literally anything made by Falcom
SoloRogueStudios yasssss Xenoblade Chronicles
Really? Videogame music is getting better, just listen to The Witcher 3's OST, o No Man's Sky's OST, even Undertale has an amazing soundtrack, Bastion and Transistor also, maybe you aren't playing games with good soundtracks...
wym "even Undertale" its like the best thing of the game ^^
The Wolf And The Swallow from The Witcher 3 is tearjerking
@@Roi985 yeah, didn't mean to say that, I really like Undertale, and the music is amazing
Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3's music as well
Those games are all at least 3 years old
This is the worse take Ive heard
Love u snoop
He literally put Nier; Automata in the background and claimed that video game music lacks good compositional genius, even though Nier has some of the best composed songs in their OST. They even made their own language for the choral stuff and can been seen as a very good mix of classical romantic era music and today's modern music.
Nier Automata and Bloodborne have two of the best soundtracks I've ever heard.
Justin Whang hasn't played Persona 5 or Bastion and it shows
He's too busy grooming his beautiful face
He literally specified that he obviously knows that there are exceptions. He meant in general. If you actually were interested you should have looked into what he said.
@@OvPdTurtle chill bruh who cares
@@OvPdTurtle the "general" thing is not even a thing. there is games with a good soundtrack and games with a mediocre one. Nothing different from 20 years ago. The thing is that he only remembers the good ones.
Putting "there are exceptions" means nothing in your sentence. It just adds a fake safety net for you to fall back on incase your intention was proven wrong.
Honestly, I unironically like the sound of "Chocolate Rain". That frantic, dramatic, unnerving keyboard riff has embedded itself inside my friggin' brain.
CHOCOLATE RAIN!
Nier automata had such an amazing soundtrack I urge people to play that masterpiece.
That game is still full price in my country for some reason and its been like 2 years now since its release
@@abhisekmukherjee8621 haha great joke
The scores of some video games today rival and sometimes eclipse some of the best movies today.
Such a dumb take
Movie scores nowadays mostly revolve around couple or several themes, while video game composers must apply more variety due to much greater length of the soundtrack.
That first one is so fucking blinded by nostalgia it hurts.
NieR Automata and Replicant. Super Mario Odyssey. Undertale. Iconoclasts. Super Smash Bros. Ultimate. Team Fortress 2. Bloodborne. Demon’s Souls(remake AND original). Drakengard 3.
I can keep going.
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Nier's soundtrack is literally incredible. Best music I've heard from a game
Video game music isn't getting worse, the whole, "It used to be better" attitude is just nostalgia speaking - you remember the good classics, but you played about a hundred games as a kid & you remember about ten of the good games & each of them had one or two tracks you liked. You remember FFX's "Hymn of the Faith" & "To Zanarkand" because they were good tracks, but you probably don't remember "This is the music that plays on path two of jungle area" & "This is the music that plays during an underwater battle on this island". Much in the same way you don't remember any song from Inspector Gadgets Crazy Maze, Shrek's Treasure Hunt & Hot Wheels Stunt Track Challenge - yes, those are all games that exist.
It's just like when people grow up & they say, "My era of music was better than this", no, you've just filtered out all the shit & right now, you're dealing with good shit & bad shit. The 80s had some great shit & we still listen to it to this day, but it had bad shit & we left it there, now no one remembers it. No one remembers bad soundtracks from 90s games - it's as dead as they are.
In the past couple years I've been really impressed with a lot of video game soundtracks, notably games like Hollow Knight, Nier Automata & Persona 5. Likewise, there'll be a tonne of forgettable soundtracks & bad ones, they'll be lost to the winds of time & in 20 years people will say, "Remember Nier Automata's soundtrack? The 10s had the best video game soundtracks".
As for mood, all music is there to heighten mood, whether action packed, ambient, sombre, etc. think about Digimon World for the PS1 - used a bunch of short, simple loops for the music in each area & flipped them for night & day time. A small change of instruments or pace was there to heighten the mood - but you wouldn't compare that to like an Uncharted soundtrack, but they fill the same roles.
first hot take is literally just a confession about only playing naughty dog games
that was some pleb videogame music talk from both whang and anthony. you're either not playing enough games or not paying attention to the good stuff. id rather listen to game osts than regular music any day. doesn't matter if it's old or new.
One question. Why? I understand when you want to do something and not focus on what you're listening to, but why any day? Music is it's own thing. Soundtracks exist to compliment something.
@@ididgt4259 yeah I agree with you. I never understood why 0eople would listen to OSTs on their own.
@@ididgt4259 Because mainstream video game soundtracks consistently outperform mainstream standalone songs.
Same with film music.
@@aR0ttenBANANA Listen to anything from the persona series or nier and come back after you've changed your mind. There's also fighting game soundtracks and many more dont just limit thousands of video game OSTs to "mood setting"
@@ididgt4259 The Transistor soundtrack is good with or without the game, it's just better with it. I'd rather listen to it than a lot of mainstream music. Would I choose it over any music? Nah, there's some great stuff out there. But some OSTs are just pretty good even as a standalone piece, and if you played/watched what it's from, it can evoke those feelings from when you watched it again. It's a nice feeling.
Go listen to Hyper Light Drifter, Oxenfree, Transistor, The Banner Saga, UNRAVEL(!!!) It's absolutely mesmerising and beautiful. I think it's quite the opposite, the more great story/narrative focused indie games come out, the better the music gets, and not only indie, the AAA stuff got pretty extraordinary too. I was never a big fan of Assassin's Creed music, but bold experimentations in Origins really hooked me, and the list goes on and on. Actually, recently I listen to more game music than almost any other genre. In my opinion this industry grew enourmusly lately.
Hyper light drifter ost is great. Octopath traveler too
The Banner Saga score owns bones
You listed some great example there. I could give you so many more too. There's so much good music from just the last few years. I think the problem is there's so many games now that it's hard to find the good stuff. Oh and the fact a lot of big AAA games have generic sounding scores.
Minecraft music is the thing you never expected that one day it would make you so emotional. It was just there.
Uhm, Hollow Knight, Celeste, The Messenger, etc... there so many amazing game ost (lovingly pressed by ghost ramp too)
Left 4 Dead 2?
the messenger's final boss theme fucking slaps
Miles LeBlanc it’s like 10 years old, but yeah it’s solid.
Also, HOW are we forgetting Gustavo Santaolalla’s STELLAR ost for The Last of Us (he also did the score for Babel which is one of my favorite movies). Furthermore, Johnny Greenwood’s many scores such as There Will Be Blood!
Plus, Jose Gonzalez made the greatest original song for a game when he made Far Away for Red Dead Redemption.
Have these fools even heard the Castlevania remixes from Smash Ultimate
@Tiztu they're completely remixed and often make adjustments to the song's core structures. they're by definition new video game songs
Warframe
Darksiders 2
Witcher 3
Hyper Light Drifter
DOOM
Dying Light
Dark Souls 3 soundtrack is a 10/10 in my opinion. Beautiful.
GameJunkyard Metro: Last Light has a great soundtrack but I feel like a lot of people don’t know that.
@@milestiller665 I know. The train chase theme is my favourite.
GameJunkyard True. Also the main theme in piano is really great. and there’s 4 really great metal bonus tracks that fit thematically with the game. Super cool stuff.
@@milestiller665 I'll check them out.
Mass Effect and Bioshock: Infinite are two soundtracks from last gen than absolutely stand out to me as examples of memorable video game music. Especially Mass Effect. Every time I hear the Galaxy Map music, I'm instantly taken back to the Normandy and all of my friends. And B:I's pop music covers are some of my favorites of the last decade, like the barbershop quartet version of "God Only Knows." Good stuff. I wish I had more current examples but I am so far behind this gen.
the suicide mission theme is honestly fucking amazing, and the fact that the leaving earth track has been used in tv shows like top gear & daredevil says a lot too
@@1121b I had no idea ME themes had been on TV! Guess I'm behind on that, too. I'm going to look that up. LOVE the Suicide Mission theme.
Persona 5? Mario Odyssey? God of War? Red Dead 2?
Persona 5 is great, Odyssey is pretty good, god of war is alright and red dead 2 is excruciatingly underwhelming
Zelda botw, Warframe, Smash Ultimate?
@@advertisedmanpower7155 I like the rdr2 soundtrack, but I can't hum any of the tracks in that game. They were all forgettable.
Being respectful here.GoW sounded generic and Zelda Botw seemed to have very little music other than background music.Red Dead 2 yes I agree with that one...best game I played in years.
Witcher 3 soundtrack is incredible. I will never forget it.
Nier Automata has one of the best video game soundtracks of all time
I cannot get over the fact that you're sitting in this video.
i love that you answer your title questions first, people who wanted to know the answer get what they expect and after that it's all a bonus and if you're interested you feel free to keep watching, not many youtubers would do the same i believe
I believe Doom has one if not the best but damn near close best soundtracks within the last 10 year's along with Minecraft.
Momo Bobo what about Witcher 3 and red dead redemption 2
Hollow knight is great too
Team fortress 2
-2 prescription is so weak anothony. Get on my -6 level
Ignored the amazing work a lot of Indie Games put into their music.
Ignored the NieR: Automata wallpaper on your green-screen.
Hardly provided any examples of modern game music.
This is like the 4th time recently I've heard you gush about Minecraft and nothing else.
Bloodborne ost is top tier.
I think the entire point of the nier background was to show it has great music... I don't think he just randomly chose a game pic for no reason
You know what’s not dying
The persona 5 OST
I think you should give it a listen melon
Yoko Shimomura still the Hans Zimmer of video games imo
0:35 Modern video game/movie music has gotten more generic
1:58 Chocolate Rain is a better social commentary than This Is America
3:19 Denzel Curry needs to make a metal album
3:41 S H U T U P A N D E N J O Y T H E M U S I C
5:21 2-D tries way too hard to sound like Damon Albarn
5:27 John Darnielle deserves a Pulitzer
5:55 The Mollusk is one of the most influential albums of our generation
6:20 TH-cam is destined for another AdPocalypse
7:55 CAN WE JUST TAKE A MOMENT AND STOP ARGUING!?!?
8:07 Super Mario 64's soundtrack revolutionized country music
8:31 6ix9ine is a good role model for children
8:44 Singing Frank Sinatra's "My Way" in a karaoke bar should result in an immediate ban
9:26 Fortnite could've gotten a better artist than Marshmello to play the virtual concert
9:51 Drake is two boys in a Drake costume
10:02 Your glasses are fake and you wear them for aesthetic reasons
God, Whang's opinion on modern soundtracks is a carbon copy equivalent to having people experiencing these soundtracks for the first time and making them feel like "they're born in the wrong generation" and I'm sure everyone knows why that phrase is annoying.
Laziness in understanding change in a rapidly evolving medium that are video games, ignorance in the effort of soundtracks that try their absolute best to connect their soundtracks to the games thematically and symbolically such as in Persona and ESPECIALLY NieR. And the lack of knowledge that chiptune is in fact a genre, not a thing of the past. Listen to "Rolling down the Street, In My Katamari" and "Surfing on a Sine Wave" by FearofDark. It's gonna blow your mind.
@@Whatthescallop1776 least intelligent and musically versed fearofdark enjoyer
lets agree: the runescape soundtrack is the best video game soundtrack
*Sea shanty 2 intensifies*
Weird way of saying Ocarina of Time.
F. L. U. T. E. S. A. L. A. D.
The minecraft music never fails to make me feel incredibly lonely and a little scared and anxious. Powerful stuff.
The DOOM Series, Minecraft, Celeste, Breath of the Wild, fucking UNDERTALE bro, it’s amazing
Dang has melon played Nier Automata