Steel weapons keep winning, eventually enemies will no longer use them and swap to silver, so they'll stop reaping the benefits when you surge your steel weapons.
It only works for the exact weapon type though right? So if you give extra crit to Killer Axes I don't think would matter much because very few enemies have Killer Axes.
Mage Cannoneer and Enchanter are both support classes. People are trying to make Mage Cannoneer into a damage class, but its secret is that it is a type of support class.
Hard agree. They seem like prime candidates for Draconic Vein debuffing, my Mage Cannon Boucheron has had a venom round glued to his hands through almost a whole playthrough and he's trivializing just about any strong enemy he comes across. Freeze shot's pretty good (if unreliable) too.
@@baltemys6097 It absolutely does, and I found it makes Mage Cannoneer WAY more reliable to use. Personally I ran Boucheron on it, with Divine Pulse and Draconic Hex as his skills. Mostly was a Freeze/Venom shot bot but he did actually do decent damage still. Edit: oops forgot I specified all that in the last post but yeah, point still stands. It can hit decently hard but I feel it's strongest when used for chip/debuff, and Pulse makes that so much more consistent it's wild.
@@reppamons That seems like the lowest investment way to make Mage Cannoneer useful yea. Inheriting Reprisal+ for 6000 SP then using holdout or Micaiah is just high effort.
That is pretty cool. I think everyone has figured out by now that you don't need all your units to be combat carries so this Enchanter class becomes the king of utility and fills in those last few slots on any deployment along with your staff bots.
I'm OK with the characters locked behind the xenologue cause at least it's an OK story and you can do it at any point after chp6 but I wish the other rewards like the classes were givin to you at the start of new playthrews
Next item tier list: "Pure Water easy S tier" Enchanter with Lucina is cracked. Especially with Veronica on any unit you plan to keep near her. Item Surge > Contract > 100% Bonded Shield.
@@ProtoTypeFM Near the endgame it can matter a bit for some characters. Wyverns just have really high HP and Griffin Knights are really fast, so it's harder to double them, but you could probably one shot them with any garden variety bow user using this. It's just yet another way to deal with them.
@@LadyViolet1 actually depends on which wyvern some are slower than griffins others are just as obnoxious to hit. I often get frustrated when you cant double either on units who can deal enough to be worth the turn and if you hit fix you still cant kill them fast enough to prevent being swarmed. Its why skirmishes just plain suck on hard and maddening as soon as i see all fliers i ignore it cuz its not worth the hassle.
Jean and Framme are both fist proficient, so you can use Flashing Fists on both of them, and benefits to Framme is that Enchanter outfit is actually made for her.
Bruhhhhhhhh. I'm at work and I'm watching this. I saw what pure water does and I almost yelled out loud. I'm sitting here, mind absolutely blown to pieces and trying to recover my damn composure. What the duck is this madness?!
Just an interesting little thing that didn't get covered here as far as the weapon enchants go- dragonstones can get them too, and it's def/res+5, which I believe is the same as lances. Granted only two units can use them, but if you throw the 1-2 range stone on both Rafal and Nel, it could be neat to turn them both into extremely bulky enemy-phase units. Especially since Rafal's already really well-suited to running Ike /Hector anyway, what with the innate Axe access.
The only issue with that is that you would have to waste a turn trading the stone from your enchanter to one of the dragons. Sometimes it's worth it, other times Thoron/Bolganone just makes more sense
Enchanter is just great. Power plays, increase MT+5 of thunder for dire thunder, increase arts like flashing fist +5 which help arts damage problems, reflect damage on a hold out tank to help kill waves, meal for free hold out to let you be more aggressive safely, pure Water MVP late game. Refill engages, And just other various buffs when you need them. And they can still chain guard. One of the most useful units hands down.
To get though the DLC quicker you could turn off animations and autobattle on Normal. I got though it really quickly (about a hour I believe) after spending several hours on Hard the first time.
the game however really has terrible autobattle Ai, my ch.6 Team suicided on both map 4 and 5 (haven't done the last cause lvl 20s that early on are bit silly.)
The cannonballs from mage cannoneer get like hit+20 from weapon surge and the dragonstones from the 2 dragon chars have the same def/res bonus as lances
The weirdest thing is that I think Framme and Clanne almost seem like they’re at least kind of designed to be put into the DLC classes. Framme has an Arts blue proficiency, giving her A arts as an enchanter although enchanter’s stats don’t really matter, her personal also procs when she’s adjacent to alear, which a lot of enchanter’s tonics have adjacent range, But also she just looks nice as an Enchanter, her color is red, and it turns the heart on the enchanter’s apron red, and her hat fits the look imo. Also it gives framme the 5% build growth she doesn’t have. Then you have Clanne, a mage with a 10% magic growth, but fine enough dexterity and strength growths, which is what Mage Cannoneer actually cares about and a personal skill that boosts his hit, Which is nice for a class that always will have shaky hit. His sword proficiency doesn’t matter, but that’s because nothing would matter to a cannoneer. Not to say they’re necessarily good in those classes compared to other units, just that they seem just a little like they were intended for them. That aside, Enchanter is sick, probably my favorite class in the game, it’s very powerful, though what I really love about it is the uniqueness of the classes abilities. Also, it’s nice that it can use daggers, because if your lucina user is an enchanter, they’ll have 100% chance bonded shields, while being able to provide the much less useful effect of poisoning duel assist+ chain attacks
it really should've stacked with celine she needs more utility to make up for her falling off to end game sages in fact they should just add utility to all of the Original cast from ch 1-7 indirectly through dlc synergies or give them latent talents like in three houses but they come prepacked with powerful synergy for late game use according to their base unit type.
Im really surprised they didnt just make the dlc classes advanced classes as they seem like they would fit as suitable promotions for armor knights + qi adepts respectively. Would also justify them throwing first and master seals at you so you can promote or reclass units into the class lines that reach the DLC classes
There is a total of 15 sets of pure waters in the item shop for a whole playthrough. So that's at least 45 pure waters guaranteed. I found it weird it never became infinite in the shop, but now I see why. They turned pure water into essential oils!
You could get meals twice because of there is a cavalry guy that has an ability that gives you an extra meal if he consumes it or something or am I miss recalling? I think it was Bunet.
You can weapon surge dagger turn 1 on turn 2 use ur dagger units then weapon surge tome and then use ur tome units. It effectively lets u have two weapon surged for player phase at all time.
When you refine the twin dragon's stones, the first makes it a 1-2 range weapon, 2nd makes it an armor destroyer, 3rd makes it good against flyers, 4th, goes back to the original version.
I think the weapon buff is really good for unique weapon that your enemies don't have, i.e. your heroes weapon. The common weapon can be scary if other enemies also have the buff, in particular that crit +20 can be a major nuisance lol. Enchanter can be a good Lucina bot but I think the best use case for Enchanter is Micaiah bot. Lucina bot will occupy your enchanter for 3-4 turns for bonded shield but if your enchanter is paired with Micaiah, they can pull out any staff from convoy. Best utility units me think
A Qi adept who can cause poison while chain guarding and buff weapons is absurdly good. Only downside is its awkward growths and caps and the fact enemies also get buffed if they use the same weapon as you lol.
I have been using Enchanter throughout my entire most recent maddening run and it is stupid just how useful the class is. Blown away that IS even made a class like this in the first place.
Another use i found of weapon surge is that if you want you could boost your enchanter weapon, like flashing fist art, and they can deal some pretty good damage, i gave it to my framme and she one rounded griss on chapter 20 lmaoo
I really like how the enchanter class buffs allies and enemies, its basically the Revolution/Rebellion of Persona 4(increased crit rate for everyone-). I think they'll make maps very interesting if you purposefully buffed the enemy while buffing your own allies- they deff look really fun to use. man it really makes you wish Engage had more deployment slots main-story wise
The reason mage Cannoneer is more expensive is it’s capabilities with its debuffs. Venom Blast applies all 3 stacks of Poison on a target, Silence applies Silce, and Freeze apply Freeze, Break applies Break but none of them require the mage cannoneer to do damage for these applications. Just that they land the hit. And these are spammable. No freeze, break, or silence staff being burned, no needing to hit the enemy 3 times (while doing damage) with a dagger. You want one of those effects? Boom. It’s there. Imagine a boss that is currently equipped with a 1 range weapon. Poison with venom blast, then dance and freeze them in place. Now just whittle them down from out of the boss attack range while keeping them frozen for as long as you like. But that’s not the only thing you can do. There is also the fact that you can use the Let It Fly to do that to an entire cross section. 5 enemies with suddenly max poison, frozen, silenced, or broken. Hell. The class even has one of the strongest weapons in the game: Piercing Blast. 20 might weapon that fully ignores an enemy’s defenses. Bolganone is a time you sing the praises of but even it is only 16 might at base and doesn’t ignore defense. That is why it’s more expensive.
i'm going to create a master save for DLC story as well, but without doing any paralogues at all and only the bare minimum needed to enter the DLC. Don't need anymore DLC help anyways if the rest of the early game has level 20 units and this will create Maddening+ Paralogue maps because of the inflated enemy levels and map difficulty. I don't need to do the DLC story more than twice this way! And the start of the game plays out the same every time anyways so it is the least interesting to replay.
When I saw what the class function was I thought I would never use it because gold is so hard to come by. Using items costs money. It looks like they really made Enchanter worth the money and time to use.
Imo, as much as a pain as the DLC is to complete, the 5 "free" Well, Arena, and Dog refreshes make it worth doing. You can get one character almost a free level from spamming Arena on them. Anyway, off topic, I would have loved enchanter be base game. Or more classes like it. Except maybe minus the reflect items and pure water, lol. Triangle Strategy did utility characters so well.
Been running enchanter on my current maddening playthru (Alfred, because he's garbage otherwise) with Chrom for Rally+ botting and it's pretty great. Pure Water giving effective to corrupted is extremely valuable on the final boss encounter (300% damage output from up to 4 allies!) for one turn. Everything else enchanter can do is secondary to Pure Water but giving holdout to a unit is sweet, and AOE heals are nice. Make your enchanter a Rally+ Chrom bot with Quality Time or Quality Time + and you've got an insanely good utility unit. I have Alfred with Dual Support and an avoid engraving so he can't really get hit either.
Damn the item surge looks so fun to play with Edit : wtf pure water just gave us ez mode for the last 5 maps a random javelin +2 suddenly one rounding a paladin
Maybe Celine skill work if she is the Echanter, or maybe Citrinnes skill have some effect with the aoe healing. Also Dire Thunder with 10 extra damage from the Echanter boost.
I will definitely give this class a try on my dlc unit run, just got done with the DLC rushthrough on normal (goddamn the story sucked so much 😭💀), but to me it seems like many applications of the class are either a bit of a win-more situation, or not groundbreaking enough to make a difference. My Panette already hits 100% crit while engaged, my damage carries already oneround enemies without effective corrupted or +Mt, my Ike user already casually tanks stuff without +def/res, AOE heals might often be overkill or not heal enough HP because they arent buffed by Staff mastery. Buffing Mt on tomes and bows sounds big on paper, but apparently tomes are still outclassed by Levin Sword Power, so thats kinda niche, and Bows will often not oneround non-fliers even with the might increase (and fliers get dropped pretty casually already). Maybe I'm wrong though, I kinda hope I am tbh, because this class is a really cool idea.
I m chapter 12, I didn’t yet use this class but I want to put it on zelkov because he can still attack with A 🗡 B 👊... I made lapis swordmaster but I have to say lower units need a good build work...
I made my Hortensia as an Enchanter and its been pretty good. I am just waiting to get Micaiah back or maybe do Fortify spam with Veronica. For offence, I just gave her silver-spirit art on Fates just so i can see her crit more often (looks better than the dagger). She had a good punching PVP with her dad on chapter 17.
If you enchant a regular weapon, does it affect refined and/or engraved variations of those weapons too? Like if you enchant an Iron Sword, do the effects transfer to an Iron Sword +1 for instance?
Even if the unit doesn't get cracked and busted... ANY type of lucina ball strat gets ridiculous. Because now it allows pair up without the sp investment. And allows for general ball with res tonic nuking sage's and mage knights. Making it way easier to deal with them.
Also the half weapon weight can be insain with some blades running Ike's engrave... Now u have 30+ damage for 11 ish weight... Which some mid-late game units will be able to swing with 0 speed penalty. (Doesn't sound like a lot until u remember enemy phasing with heavier blades is brutally good already... Now they can't double.
Axes getting crit is actually massive since triggering a crit bypasses hit rate. If you crit, you never miss! Max refine Killer Axe, Weapon Surge and Panette... All that without Wrath factored in.
A major problem that I have with Engage is I feel like it lost it's identity with the DLC. I know there are like a billion ways to break the game, but I don't enjoy breaking the game. I like my Fire Emblem experience to be well-balanced. Like I want to play all the DLC maps, but in doing so, the game is no longer challenging or fun. For me, there is no point in playing Fire Emblem if there is no threat of actually losing. Enchanter seems like a really fun class, and I love Medina in Triangle Strategy, but it was not designed well for this game. Maybe they can reincorporate it into a future installment and balance it right. IMO Engage is lower tier in the Fire Emblem series. Don't get me wrong, it's still a lot of fun; it just has so many problems (DLC one of them) to stand out with all the other excellent Fire Emblem games.
Pure Water was mistranslated or should i say censorship; the Japanese translation is 聖水 which means holy water. Gotta splash that holy water on the undead.
I thought you weren't going to say anything about pure water lol 4 allies just being turned into ohkos. Axe getting crit plus 20... it's harder to not make a crit pannette build. Pannete is at 96 crit without wrath. The tonics adding 1 strength and magic is cute compared to pure waters doubling end game regardless of attack type
The problem with Enchanter is how low their stats are. Changing Yunaka from Thief to Enchanter would not only lose Covert bonus and S rank Daggers IIRC, but also bring her stats down from low 40s to mid 20s. It's insane. Outfit would be significantly cuter, but the idea of doing 0 damage to other players is kind of getting in the way of me picking up this class.
Enchanter and Mage Cannoneer 100% will be in the next Fire Emblem and I am sure they use the DLC as a way for public playtesting. Why have 10 paid playtesters when you can have 1,000,000 playtesters that pay you! Seriously though, public release of something gives significantly more data for intelligent Systems than what their paid play testers can give solely because the amount of play time is impossible to do with a few people than what millions of people that bought the game can do, so they can see easier of what they need to tone back (nerf) and need to bring up (buff). _______________________________________ Just based on the DLC Story direction, which usually indicates the direction of the next game, this is what is roughly going to happen for the next Fire Emblem: ~ Multi army battles ~ Bigger maps ~ A more gritty, war feeling Fire Emblem ~ The main protagonist will actually kill people (though Alear actually does kill people, unlike idiot Corrin, Corrin worst Fire Emblem protagonist) ~ Second Sealing may or may not be in the game, but they will indirectly nerf Second Seal by adding in unique items to class change into like how Mage Cannoneer and Enchanter work, my prediction is that this will be one of the rewards for doing Paralogues in the next Fire Emblem, and probably new characters to use will be Paralogue rewards as well. ~ Overall better character passives for every unit (though Nel's passive sucks) ~ No more rings or ring-like system, more of a basic Fire Emblem game in that sense like with Awakening ~ The return of true playable Dragon characters (and hopefully the return of Laguz as well) I would personally love to see even more Shadows of Valentia implementation in all future Fire Emblem games. Love to see them address Arts, Surge magic, and Surge magic gets a Bolganone/Thoron tier of tome to make them better and truly viable. Make staves unbreakable and find a new balance aspect to them, either with less uses per conflict and they recharge after the conflict is resolved, or could make them consume HP again like in Shadows of Valentia.
I was thinking Enchanter Framme with Lucina for qi adept bonded + her supports + knive poison debuff chain attacks maybe ? Or maybe Yunaka... Does weapon surge persist or do you have to reapply it every chapter ? Edit : maybe watch video to the end lol
Too bad to use Enchanter you have to go through the FX :( Or pay for something thats over 50k (for multiple). Still a pretty cool class! More classes should be like these two (Enchanter/Mage Cannoneer) Instead of just.. Berserker with 1 more tile mov on Smash attacks, lol
It's worse because I'm pretty sure you have to complete FX to even be able to buy the class? At least to get it early. Haven't checked the shop late game
The weapon buffs also apply to the enemies. All of a sudden crit +20 is scary for everyone who isn't vantage. 💀
Steel weapons keep winning, eventually enemies will no longer use them and swap to silver, so they'll stop reaping the benefits when you surge your steel weapons.
@@ProtoTypeFM silver weapons are just fodder for my well now
I learned that when in the FX, somehow my bow was doing more damage and was glowing yellow in the icon 🤣
It only works for the exact weapon type though right? So if you give extra crit to Killer Axes I don't think would matter much because very few enemies have Killer Axes.
I wish he mentioned that in the video. I was thinking.......what about the enemies?
Not gonna lie, an item-based support is a really novel and cool idea for FE. Makes me think of the Maid class from Disgaea 5
HOLY SHIT YEAH THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING TOO
Mage Cannoneer and Enchanter are both support classes. People are trying to make Mage Cannoneer into a damage class, but its secret is that it is a type of support class.
Hard agree. They seem like prime candidates for Draconic Vein debuffing, my Mage Cannon Boucheron has had a venom round glued to his hands through almost a whole playthrough and he's trivializing just about any strong enemy he comes across. Freeze shot's pretty good (if unreliable) too.
@@reppamons does Divine Pulse work with cannon hits? If so, then it might patch up the poor Freeze Shot hit rates!
@@baltemys6097 It absolutely does, and I found it makes Mage Cannoneer WAY more reliable to use. Personally I ran Boucheron on it, with Divine Pulse and Draconic Hex as his skills. Mostly was a Freeze/Venom shot bot but he did actually do decent damage still.
Edit: oops forgot I specified all that in the last post but yeah, point still stands. It can hit decently hard but I feel it's strongest when used for chip/debuff, and Pulse makes that so much more consistent it's wild.
@@baltemys6097 Yes.
@@reppamons That seems like the lowest investment way to make Mage Cannoneer useful yea. Inheriting Reprisal+ for 6000 SP then using holdout or Micaiah is just high effort.
it sucks that item surge doesn't count as 'using an item'. i thought celine, citrine, and bunet were going to have some cool interactions.
That is pretty cool. I think everyone has figured out by now that you don't need all your units to be combat carries so this Enchanter class becomes the king of utility and fills in those last few slots on any deployment along with your staff bots.
I just turn my support classes into combat carries to spite the system.
I'm OK with the characters locked behind the xenologue cause at least it's an OK story and you can do it at any point after chp6 but I wish the other rewards like the classes were givin to you at the start of new playthrews
Next item tier list: "Pure Water easy S tier"
Enchanter with Lucina is cracked. Especially with Veronica on any unit you plan to keep near her. Item Surge > Contract > 100% Bonded Shield.
Real quick question: does dagger poison apply on hits for chain attacks? If it does, makes Enchanter + Lucina even more ridiculous.
@@taznkid1730 yes
@@taznkid1730it does, but it doesn’t stack the same.
9:11 "this is stupid, this is so stupid" he sounds so excited lmao
Mt+5 on bows is pretty insane since effective damage triples weapon Mt. You’re looking at +15 damage vs fliers
Is that even necessary though? Warriors and Lyn users already casually drop fliers like flies.
@@ProtoTypeFM Near the endgame it can matter a bit for some characters. Wyverns just have really high HP and Griffin Knights are really fast, so it's harder to double them, but you could probably one shot them with any garden variety bow user using this. It's just yet another way to deal with them.
finally a worthy counter to flier emblem my god griffin and wyverns in skirmishes on hard and maddening get obnoxious.
@@LadyViolet1 actually depends on which wyvern some are slower than griffins others are just as obnoxious to hit. I often get frustrated when you cant double either on units who can deal enough to be worth the turn and if you hit fix you still cant kill them fast enough to prevent being swarmed. Its why skirmishes just plain suck on hard and maddening as soon as i see all fliers i ignore it cuz its not worth the hassle.
Jean and Framme are both fist proficient, so you can use Flashing Fists on both of them, and benefits to Framme is that Enchanter outfit is actually made for her.
Bruhhhhhhhh. I'm at work and I'm watching this. I saw what pure water does and I almost yelled out loud. I'm sitting here, mind absolutely blown to pieces and trying to recover my damn composure. What the duck is this madness?!
I know right lmao, pure water will never be memed on again
Just an interesting little thing that didn't get covered here as far as the weapon enchants go- dragonstones can get them too, and it's def/res+5, which I believe is the same as lances. Granted only two units can use them, but if you throw the 1-2 range stone on both Rafal and Nel, it could be neat to turn them both into extremely bulky enemy-phase units. Especially since Rafal's already really well-suited to running Ike /Hector anyway, what with the innate Axe access.
The only issue with that is that you would have to waste a turn trading the stone from your enchanter to one of the dragons. Sometimes it's worth it, other times Thoron/Bolganone just makes more sense
Coffee:
Before Enchanter:
Pure Water is like C tier
After Enchanter:
Pure Water is SSS tier insanely busted god tier item!
The enchant effect for daggers should’ve given them like stat debuffs like in fates
Enchanter is just great. Power plays, increase MT+5 of thunder for dire thunder, increase arts like flashing fist +5 which help arts damage problems, reflect damage on a hold out tank to help kill waves, meal for free hold out to let you be more aggressive safely, pure Water MVP late game. Refill engages, And just other various buffs when you need them. And they can still chain guard. One of the most useful units hands down.
It’s weird that weapon surge didn’t just give extra range to tomes and bows
Second coming of Medina's insane utility from Triangle Strategy right here... This feels very OP here! Good analysis.
To get though the DLC quicker you could turn off animations and autobattle on Normal. I got though it really quickly (about a hour I believe) after spending several hours on Hard the first time.
the game however really has terrible autobattle Ai, my ch.6 Team suicided on both map 4 and 5 (haven't done the last cause lvl 20s that early on are bit silly.)
The cannonballs from mage cannoneer get like hit+20 from weapon surge and the dragonstones from the 2 dragon chars have the same def/res bonus as lances
So Nel can be even more tankier as a dragon with the stone that huves her 1-2 range, perfect
One thing to note about the tonics (like str) thr increase to the stat is relative to the enchanter's level.
The weirdest thing is that I think Framme and Clanne almost seem like they’re at least kind of designed to be put into the DLC classes.
Framme has an Arts blue proficiency, giving her A arts as an enchanter although enchanter’s stats don’t really matter, her personal also procs when she’s adjacent to alear, which a lot of enchanter’s tonics have adjacent range, But also she just looks nice as an Enchanter, her color is red, and it turns the heart on the enchanter’s apron red, and her hat fits the look imo. Also it gives framme the 5% build growth she doesn’t have.
Then you have Clanne, a mage with a 10% magic growth, but fine enough dexterity and strength growths, which is what Mage Cannoneer actually cares about and a personal skill that boosts his hit, Which is nice for a class that always will have shaky hit. His sword proficiency doesn’t matter, but that’s because nothing would matter to a cannoneer.
Not to say they’re necessarily good in those classes compared to other units, just that they seem just a little like they were intended for them.
That aside, Enchanter is sick, probably my favorite class in the game, it’s very powerful, though what I really love about it is the uniqueness of the classes abilities.
Also, it’s nice that it can use daggers, because if your lucina user is an enchanter, they’ll have 100% chance bonded shields, while being able to provide the much less useful effect of poisoning duel assist+ chain attacks
"This breaks the game."
Uhhhh, you were already one-shotting before this.
it really should've stacked with celine she needs more utility to make up for her falling off to end game sages in fact they should just add utility to all of the Original cast from ch 1-7 indirectly through dlc synergies or give them latent talents like in three houses but they come prepacked with powerful synergy for late game use according to their base unit type.
Still holding out hope for NG+ so that I can experience all that cool stuff durring early game (copium)
Can we talk about how Jean is wearing an apron/dress?
Japan in a nutshell
with a little heart.
Whoever's doing class outfits must be into sissification. Only way I can explain things. Same with Sage.
Did Mika make the class generic outfits too?
Im really surprised they didnt just make the dlc classes advanced classes as they seem like they would fit as suitable promotions for armor knights + qi adepts respectively. Would also justify them throwing first and master seals at you so you can promote or reclass units into the class lines that reach the DLC classes
Medina you will always be famous
There is a total of 15 sets of pure waters in the item shop for a whole playthrough. So that's at least 45 pure waters guaranteed. I found it weird it never became infinite in the shop, but now I see why. They turned pure water into essential oils!
Lol
You can get more by doing Wyvern Riding so they are almost infinite if you want to waste your time with that.
You could get meals twice because of there is a cavalry guy that has an ability that gives you an extra meal if he consumes it or something or am I miss recalling? I think it was Bunet.
This class is my new favorite class we definitely needed more interesting supports like this one
You can weapon surge dagger turn 1 on turn 2 use ur dagger units then weapon surge tome and then use ur tome units. It effectively lets u have two weapon surged for player phase at all time.
When you refine the twin dragon's stones, the first makes it a 1-2 range weapon, 2nd makes it an armor destroyer, 3rd makes it good against flyers, 4th, goes back to the original version.
How did I know the Medina comparison was coming? Good video!
I think the weapon buff is really good for unique weapon that your enemies don't have, i.e. your heroes weapon. The common weapon can be scary if other enemies also have the buff, in particular that crit +20 can be a major nuisance lol.
Enchanter can be a good Lucina bot but I think the best use case for Enchanter is Micaiah bot. Lucina bot will occupy your enchanter for 3-4 turns for bonded shield but if your enchanter is paired with Micaiah, they can pull out any staff from convoy. Best utility units me think
if you contract her tho while using Lucina you get a walking Super Army. Cause you can first buff then bonded shield.
A Qi adept who can cause poison while chain guarding and buff weapons is absurdly good. Only downside is its awkward growths and caps and the fact enemies also get buffed if they use the same weapon as you lol.
I have been using Enchanter throughout my entire most recent maddening run and it is stupid just how useful the class is. Blown away that IS even made a class like this in the first place.
Another use i found of weapon surge is that if you want you could boost your enchanter weapon, like flashing fist art, and they can deal some pretty good damage, i gave it to my framme and she one rounded griss on chapter 20 lmaoo
I really like how the enchanter class buffs allies and enemies, its basically the Revolution/Rebellion of Persona 4(increased crit rate for everyone-).
I think they'll make maps very interesting if you purposefully buffed the enemy while buffing your own allies-
they deff look really fun to use.
man it really makes you wish Engage had more deployment slots main-story wise
The reason mage Cannoneer is more expensive is it’s capabilities with its debuffs. Venom Blast applies all 3 stacks of Poison on a target, Silence applies Silce, and Freeze apply Freeze, Break applies Break but none of them require the mage cannoneer to do damage for these applications. Just that they land the hit. And these are spammable. No freeze, break, or silence staff being burned, no needing to hit the enemy 3 times (while doing damage) with a dagger. You want one of those effects? Boom. It’s there. Imagine a boss that is currently equipped with a 1 range weapon. Poison with venom blast, then dance and freeze them in place. Now just whittle them down from out of the boss attack range while keeping them frozen for as long as you like. But that’s not the only thing you can do. There is also the fact that you can use the Let It Fly to do that to an entire cross section. 5 enemies with suddenly max poison, frozen, silenced, or broken. Hell. The class even has one of the strongest weapons in the game: Piercing Blast. 20 might weapon that fully ignores an enemy’s defenses. Bolganone is a time you sing the praises of but even it is only 16 might at base and doesn’t ignore defense. That is why it’s more expensive.
i'm going to create a master save for DLC story as well, but without doing any paralogues at all and only the bare minimum needed to enter the DLC. Don't need anymore DLC help anyways if the rest of the early game has level 20 units and this will create Maddening+ Paralogue maps because of the inflated enemy levels and map difficulty. I don't need to do the DLC story more than twice this way! And the start of the game plays out the same every time anyways so it is the least interesting to replay.
Dude elixirs can get off multiple goddess dances! Omg this is insane
I'm glad you tested weapon surge just now bc I was somehow convinced that weapon surge destroys the weapon
Weapon surging Mage Cannoneer ammo gives Hit+20 which is pretty great
wait you dont eat the weapon with weapon surge? thats op
I feel like if you run the DLC classes you almost have to run Anna bc they MELT through all the items
I'm one step ahead of you, Anna IS MY ENCHANTRESS (my husband put Jean on the class and I wanted Framme to be a Martial monk)
When I saw what the class function was I thought I would never use it because gold is so hard to come by. Using items costs money. It looks like they really made Enchanter worth the money and time to use.
Hmmm Celine or Citrinne using Vulneraries as Enchanter could work because of their personal skills. Would need to test it.
Imo, as much as a pain as the DLC is to complete, the 5 "free" Well, Arena, and Dog refreshes make it worth doing. You can get one character almost a free level from spamming Arena on them.
Anyway, off topic, I would have loved enchanter be base game. Or more classes like it. Except maybe minus the reflect items and pure water, lol. Triangle Strategy did utility characters so well.
Medina in Engage? Sign me uppp
Been running enchanter on my current maddening playthru (Alfred, because he's garbage otherwise) with Chrom for Rally+ botting and it's pretty great. Pure Water giving effective to corrupted is extremely valuable on the final boss encounter (300% damage output from up to 4 allies!) for one turn. Everything else enchanter can do is secondary to Pure Water but giving holdout to a unit is sweet, and AOE heals are nice. Make your enchanter a Rally+ Chrom bot with Quality Time or Quality Time + and you've got an insanely good utility unit. I have Alfred with Dual Support and an avoid engraving so he can't really get hit either.
Ah yes Medina battery, such good time.
Jean is so cute with this Enchanter outfit xD
Enchanter Diamant to take his pride is an s tier build i really enjoy
Damn the item surge looks so fun to play with
Edit : wtf pure water just gave us ez mode for the last 5 maps a random javelin +2 suddenly one rounding a paladin
I beat maddening! 🎉 Thanks for the ridiculous amount of time you've put into your guides
I'm wondering what the Antitoxin does when using Item Surge.
Maybe Celine skill work if she is the Echanter, or maybe Citrinnes skill have some effect with the aoe healing. Also Dire Thunder with 10 extra damage from the Echanter boost.
return of the Triangle Strategy item meta🎉🎉🎉
I will definitely give this class a try on my dlc unit run, just got done with the DLC rushthrough on normal (goddamn the story sucked so much 😭💀), but to me it seems like many applications of the class are either a bit of a win-more situation, or not groundbreaking enough to make a difference. My Panette already hits 100% crit while engaged, my damage carries already oneround enemies without effective corrupted or +Mt, my Ike user already casually tanks stuff without +def/res, AOE heals might often be overkill or not heal enough HP because they arent buffed by Staff mastery. Buffing Mt on tomes and bows sounds big on paper, but apparently tomes are still outclassed by Levin Sword Power, so thats kinda niche, and Bows will often not oneround non-fliers even with the might increase (and fliers get dropped pretty casually already). Maybe I'm wrong though, I kinda hope I am tbh, because this class is a really cool idea.
When I first saw enchanter, I thought about the maids and butlers from Fates. Real disappointed the male outfit isn't a butler suit.
So that's why the strength and magic cap of enchanters are low, they can weapon surge themselves.
Whenever half your team has Levin swords, Enchantress slaps
this class feels like an enemy exclusive class holy shit
I m chapter 12, I didn’t yet use this class but I want to put it on zelkov because he can still attack with A 🗡 B 👊... I made lapis swordmaster but I have to say lower units need a good build work...
Mage cannoneer gets +20 hit for weapon surge and no one else but you profits which is fun
I just tested cause I haven't seen any info on it but dragonstones get the Def res buff that lances get for weapon surge which is nutty
I made my Hortensia as an Enchanter and its been pretty good. I am just waiting to get Micaiah back or maybe do Fortify spam with Veronica. For offence, I just gave her silver-spirit art on Fates just so i can see her crit more often (looks better than the dagger). She had a good punching PVP with her dad on chapter 17.
Love Triangle Strategy too ❤
If you enchant a regular weapon, does it affect refined and/or engraved variations of those weapons too? Like if you enchant an Iron Sword, do the effects transfer to an Iron Sword +1 for instance?
Even if the unit doesn't get cracked and busted... ANY type of lucina ball strat gets ridiculous. Because now it allows pair up without the sp investment. And allows for general ball with res tonic nuking sage's and mage knights. Making it way easier to deal with them.
Also the half weapon weight can be insain with some blades running Ike's engrave... Now u have 30+ damage for 11 ish weight... Which some mid-late game units will be able to swing with 0 speed penalty. (Doesn't sound like a lot until u remember enemy phasing with heavier blades is brutally good already... Now they can't double.
Axes getting crit is actually massive since triggering a crit bypasses hit rate. If you crit, you never miss! Max refine Killer Axe, Weapon Surge and Panette... All that without Wrath factored in.
Maid boy outfits for enchanters are top tier camp
Now we just need a harbinger class to turn this to Skyrim
That outfit on Jean lol.
Medina hype
Does generosity(citrine personnal skill) stack with item surge ?
I don't think so it seems to not trigger "On item use" things like Celine healing item passive
Enchanter is great bc of the heart apron
A major problem that I have with Engage is I feel like it lost it's identity with the DLC. I know there are like a billion ways to break the game, but I don't enjoy breaking the game. I like my Fire Emblem experience to be well-balanced. Like I want to play all the DLC maps, but in doing so, the game is no longer challenging or fun. For me, there is no point in playing Fire Emblem if there is no threat of actually losing. Enchanter seems like a really fun class, and I love Medina in Triangle Strategy, but it was not designed well for this game. Maybe they can reincorporate it into a future installment and balance it right.
IMO Engage is lower tier in the Fire Emblem series. Don't get me wrong, it's still a lot of fun; it just has so many problems (DLC one of them) to stand out with all the other excellent Fire Emblem games.
Anyone know if Enchanter Bunet triggers Seconds? on item surging a meal?
It shouldn't logically as it is a different mechanic than using an item
Enchanter Alear sounds broken, since they have access to the convoy 24/7
Redundant since level 5 enchanters get convoy anyway.
@@pketr5 Oh I didn't know about that lol
not too early the xenologue since it make Tiki and co maps hellish by adding 5 units lvl 20 to your army. Get the DLC rings first.
Can we items surge stats boosters? As the boots?
I don't think so
Pure Water was mistranslated or should i say censorship; the Japanese translation is 聖水 which means holy water. Gotta splash that holy water on the undead.
Eh maybe that’s why I’m not into the enchanter, I didn’t like triangle strategy. A lot of the stuff just felt tedious
I'm sorry Pure Water does **WHAT**
It beats the game for you lmao
Who are y'all putting on this class?
I thought you weren't going to say anything about pure water lol 4 allies just being turned into ohkos. Axe getting crit plus 20... it's harder to not make a crit pannette build. Pannete is at 96 crit without wrath.
The tonics adding 1 strength and magic is cute compared to pure waters doubling end game regardless of attack type
Why is jean in a maid costume
Can you surge multiple weapons per battle or just have one active at a time?
Just one at a time, it removes the previous buff when you buff a new one
@@IcedCoffeeGaming Is that per enchanter or just a global mission effect?
Clanne is finally useful!
Canto would be once again be good for Enchanter. Not sure what to pair that with for the second slot...
nope it isn't using an item doesn't activate Canter.
Lindon is the only male sage outfit, everyone else gets a clearly female sage outfit
The problem with Enchanter is how low their stats are. Changing Yunaka from Thief to Enchanter would not only lose Covert bonus and S rank Daggers IIRC, but also bring her stats down from low 40s to mid 20s. It's insane. Outfit would be significantly cuter, but the idea of doing 0 damage to other players is kind of getting in the way of me picking up this class.
Throw your Lucina holder into it and throw Veronica on someone else and boom you have a walking tank squad that also buffs your units in the meantime.
Enchanter doesn't really need to do damage at all tbh.
Enchanter and Mage Cannoneer 100% will be in the next Fire Emblem and I am sure they use the DLC as a way for public playtesting. Why have 10 paid playtesters when you can have 1,000,000 playtesters that pay you!
Seriously though, public release of something gives significantly more data for intelligent Systems than what their paid play testers can give solely because the amount of play time is impossible to do with a few people than what millions of people that bought the game can do, so they can see easier of what they need to tone back (nerf) and need to bring up (buff).
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Just based on the DLC Story direction, which usually indicates the direction of the next game, this is what is roughly going to happen for the next Fire Emblem:
~ Multi army battles
~ Bigger maps
~ A more gritty, war feeling Fire Emblem
~ The main protagonist will actually kill people (though Alear actually does kill people, unlike idiot Corrin, Corrin worst Fire Emblem protagonist)
~ Second Sealing may or may not be in the game, but they will indirectly nerf Second Seal by adding in unique items to class change into like how Mage Cannoneer and Enchanter work, my prediction is that this will be one of the rewards for doing Paralogues in the next Fire Emblem, and probably new characters to use will be Paralogue rewards as well.
~ Overall better character passives for every unit (though Nel's passive sucks)
~ No more rings or ring-like system, more of a basic Fire Emblem game in that sense like with Awakening
~ The return of true playable Dragon characters (and hopefully the return of Laguz as well)
I would personally love to see even more Shadows of Valentia implementation in all future Fire Emblem games.
Love to see them address Arts, Surge magic, and Surge magic gets a Bolganone/Thoron tier of tome to make them better and truly viable.
Make staves unbreakable and find a new balance aspect to them, either with less uses per conflict and they recharge after the conflict is resolved, or could make them consume HP again like in Shadows of Valentia.
I was thinking Enchanter Framme with Lucina for qi adept bonded + her supports + knive poison debuff chain attacks maybe ? Or maybe Yunaka...
Does weapon surge persist or do you have to reapply it every chapter ? Edit : maybe watch video to the end lol
i want master classes
Too bad to use Enchanter you have to go through the FX :( Or pay for something thats over 50k (for multiple). Still a pretty cool class! More classes should be like these two (Enchanter/Mage Cannoneer) Instead of just.. Berserker with 1 more tile mov on Smash attacks, lol
Agreed, Zerker doesn't seem to do much
It's worse because I'm pretty sure you have to complete FX to even be able to buy the class? At least to get it early. Haven't checked the shop late game
Bows shouldhave been range +1
I think they should have added a new difficulty above Maddening with the new dlc because Maddening is starting to look like casual now...
I hope they make a DLC map so difficult that it creates a use case for all the powercreep it introduced
i made my alear a martial master then made framme enchanter