What Was Melkor's/Morgoth's Biggest Mistake? | Lord of the Rings Lore
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- Melkor! Morgoth! Today we embark on a journey to unravel the tale of Melkor, the first Dark Lord of Middle-earth. Discover the moments that led to the downfall of the most powerful being who sought to dominate the world and reshape it in his image. From his insatiable hunger for power to the catastrophic mistakes that sealed his fate, we delve into the heart of Middle-earth's ancient lore.
Join us as I analyse Melkor's greatest mistake, his tactical errors, and the turning points that led to his ultimate defeat. This exploration is not just a story of battles and betrayals; it's a reflection on the resilience of spirit, the power of unity, and the enduring legacy of creation over destruction.
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Timecodes:
00:00 - The Prologue: Introduction
01:56 - Chapter 1: The Nature of Melkor’s Mistake
04:10 - Chapter 2: Melkor’s Tactical Errors
06:39 - Chapter 3: The Turning Points
09:06 - Chapter 4: The Downfall of Melkor
11:20 - Chapter 5: The Conclusion & What Do You Think?
12:57 - The Appendices: The Guard: Our Short Film
13:36 - Who do you think visited Dain?
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Melkor - EvissOmiros
Powers of Arda - Jerrel Salvatierra
The Silmarillion - Morgoth vs Fingolfin - Guillem H Pongiluppi
Melkor Morgoth vs Ungoliant - Joassand
Morgoth - CKGoksoy
Morgoth and Fingolfin - JMKilpatrick
Melkor - formenost
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The Music of the Ainur - aegeri
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Morgoth Bauglir - Kevin Cassidy
Melkor and Ungoliant - John Howe
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Spirit of Fire - CKGoksoy
Morgoth Punishes Hurin - Ted Nasmith
Melkor - Viktoriya Leonova
Hosts of Angband - SpartanK42
Morgoth WIP 2 - SpentaMainyu
Fingolfin challenges Morgoth at the Gates of Angband - Pete Amachree
Morgoth Defeated - RenatoCDomingos
The Captivity of Morgoth - Jacek Kopalski
Beren and Luthien - Alan Lee
Beren and Luthien Plight Their Troth - KipRasmussen
Luthien sends the court of Morgoth to sleep with a song of enchantment - Pete Amachree
Beren and Luthien flee Angband a scene from Tolkien's The Silmarillion - Pete Amachree
Earendil - alystraea
War of Wrath - firatsolhan
Tulkas Chaining Morgoth - KipRasmussen
Melkor Chained in the Halls of Mandos - toherrys
The Door of Night - John Howe
Morgoth Melkor - Alvaro Fernandez Gonzalez
Morgoth. - Bop Art
The Silmarillion - Irulana
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Melkor - Steven G
Melkor - anndr
Melkor - anastasiyacemetery
Lamps of the Valar - aegeri
Melkor - Morgoth - SignumIgnitum
Tulkas - Antonio Vinci
Morgoth and the High King of Noldor - Ted Nasmith
Middle Earth - Klaradox
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Not lifting weights and practicing judo so he can beat up Tulkas.
I heard that he always skipped leg day!
@@robertlewis8295 gym brahs are cringe -clean up nature or help in gardens instead
Not sharing his Netflix password back when you could do that
@@yggdrasild755im not a gym bro but it’s 100000x more cringe for a man to spend his time gardening 🤣
Come on man… no one can beat Tulkas!
And yet, there can be no hatred for Melkor. For he played the role Eru Illuvatar gave him. Eru knew that for a perfect world to be, it had to first be imperfect, and chose to collect the entire imperfection in one role and entrusted that to Melkor. He would not have sang discordant notes if Eru had not meant for him to. For Eru could have easily stopped him, yet didn't. It could even be argued that Eru ought to be grateful to Melkor for accepting the role of not accepting his place in creation.
It's not even clear if the ainur are true individuals like the Children of Illuvatar are. Remember the nature of the dwarves when first created by Aule? Perhaps the ainur are like that to Eru Illuvatar and were never given true life in the first place. If so, Melkor can't even actually be held responsible for any of his "decisions" and neither can Sauron since they wouldn't have free will.
That's a unique point of view you have there that makes sense
It’s not exactly a misstep to have a fundamental character defect of not being able to accept that you’re part of something greater than yourself. It’s not a mistake, or series of mistakes, he makes. It’s built into him.
He definitely was how he was made. Yes he was made that way on purpose you and he was even told that. Had to be that way because good had to be a choice. You can only be good in the presence of evil.
The fact that the balrogs had time to get to him and save him from ungoliant was a little silly too. Especially if you look at one of these first photos of it...shes right there.
If Eru Iluvatar created Morgoth, then wasn't he playing his part in the ineffable song?
Perhaps Eru didn't want to get bored. He had to maintain his creation even after it was completed. He let evil get as strong as it could and then crushed it.
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My own speculation is they must’ve conjured a spell of unnatural speed to reach to Melkor/Morgoth in time before Ungoliant could devour him since Melkor could only stall her with his ungodly screams for a time, also Balrogs are after all still Maiar with demigod powers albeit corrupted version and very much capable of using powerful magic and spells whenever they want to but I dunno maybe I could be wrong lol
But hey whatever the true version of how the Balrogs somehow managed to reach Morgoth in time given how far Angband is to where the place Ungoliant held Morgoth hostage, sadly we can never truly know brilliant yet complex and complicated mind of Tolkien and all we can do is speculate it in our own ways of imaginations
For me, his greatest misstep was in underestimating the strengh of Men & Elves prior to the Battle of Sudden Flame. As the Silmarillion suggests, had he just waited a bit longer to build his forces, the that battle might have been the end ot Beleriand.
are we sure Melkor's ¨rebellion¨ wasnt part of Eru's plan? if it all was part of Eru's plan then Melkor was perfect
His biggest mistake was pouring his power into other things. If he let others do that he would end up comparatively stronger.
Aule was bold, but humiliated himself before Eru and was pardoned. Of course, there's also possibility of Melkor's rebellion being "necessary" as per Eru's plan.
Another video par excellence as usual! Keep up the great work!
One thing you can say about sauron over his boss was the ability to adapt
He went in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
Great video, as always. 🤗
I am always in awe of the images you use in your vids. I can clearly see your source citing, but have you bought or made any of them yourself? Excellent as usual!
I’m curious to see how Melkor/Morgoth would look in live action, animation or in a game, hopefully they don’t make him just a bigger Sauron, giving him a unique, intimidating yet grand design, leaning into his Satan/Lucifer influences could separate his appearance from Sauron’s more, I incorporate a Satanic influence and some Balrog with some details that are reminiscent of Sauron in my drawings of Melkor/Morgoth. Weta did such a phenomenal job with Sauron’s design that it’ll be hard to do Morgoth right.
Cool topic!
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His biggest mistake was that he underestimated Gryffindor and the powers of Charles Xavier. Just like Aragorn said to Captain Kirk on Alderaan ..."with great power comes great responsibility"
I was so upset when they cgi'd Katniss over Yoda in that scene.
Y’all need to be jailed
Captain Kirk lived happily ever after....on Alderaan.
... LoL 🎉 😮 🎉 🍻
Wasn't that the scene just before Iron Man smashed Willow into the forest so Ahchoo could find him?
Great great channel!
Thank you! 🙏
Sick video again
great video! also what is the song used in chapter 5 In the video?
If Melkor could not create life, but could only distort and corrupt it, from what life were dragons a corruption?
The eagles
His biggest mistake was taking the Silmarils, followed by underestimating Fingolfin
Good video
"War ... war never changes "
I see what you did there
I thought u we’re going to talk about how his true literal weakening stemmed from the marring of arda, and that the more he did to corrupt, the more arda and its beings became corrupted, but the weaker HE became. Just like with Sauron putting his power into the ring and becoming weaker without it, except Morgoth couldn’t reclaim his spent power. That’s part of why he stayed in the safety of angband, because he had already weakened himself greatly, which is probably the only way fingolfin was able to do so well and injure him like that.
What I love about this world, is as mighty & skilled as the elves are, they envy human life (or at least the oldest and wisest do)
But the humans envy the longevity of the other races
(hobbits 100+ years, certain blessed humans 200+, Dwarves 600+, Elves immortal?)
Humans are seen as children, not just because their lifespans are short, but because most don’t use their limited time to show their potential
Some master human smiths, have crafted weapons/items on par (or just below) with dwarves and elven masters
While some human warriors can fight, just as hard, as literal immortals
Thank you.
His biggest mistake was having exo-skeletons lying around in the Angbangarena, his mighty Maddonnangelcus Mother of Harpies was defeated easly by a fledgeling padawan
Melkor isn't a Monster, he's just misunderstood. He just needs a hug! 🤣🤣. 🖖😎🤘🇨🇦🕊️
"Mælkåh".. New pet peeve unlocked
You can always tell when part of a script is written by ChatGPT 😅
Love these vids regardless ❤
He opened his big mouth during the family singalong?
That Fallout reference. Haha
Ticking Fëanor off. If Morgoth had skipped taking the Silmarils and killing Finwë Fëanor would never taken a host of elves back to Middle Earth.
1:56 And there they are ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
His mistake was thinking he could win!
His biggest mistake was thinking he was the mightiest and underestimating his foes.
It's the same question Christians ask about Satan: why didn't Ilúvatar simply destroy Melkor?
Eru was loving Melkor.
But a Melkor is rebel....
His biggest mistake was fkn with Fingolfin
Ghey
To me, this story is a tribute to God. It's a more detailed version of the fight against evil. How important life and love and the appreciation of everything we have is. How we always must rage against those who would destroy it. We forgot that somewhere because it's all around us. Such a wonderful story.
His biggest mistake was thinking he'd win.
Idea for a video: “What if Aragorn went to Minas Tirith instead of Gandalf in Return of the King?” Purely hypothetical but what if when Aragorn says he will go to Minas Tirith instead of Gandalf saying no straight up he’s just like……OK 🤣 how would events have played out? Would Aragorn have been more or less successful with leading the defence of Minas Tirith than Gandalf? Something I’ve always wondered if Aragorn had led the defence would how would it have went? We know he led the defence at Helms Deep and did pretty well considering the massive number difference etc.
Just a thought! Thanks!
sure Aragorn would have done well with leading defence but real question is how Denethor would have reacted to Aragorn
@@villekuronen6242 very true, I doubt it would have been a warm reception 😬
@@joshharris6525 im about 65% sure that Denethor would have gotten Aragorn executed for some bullshit reason
@@villekuronen6242 I think it would depend on circumstances, we see the soldiers of Gondor have loyalty/respect towards Gandalf so if they knew who Aragorn was it would be the same for him I imagine, either way Denethor would do far more to undermine any progress Aragorn makes than he did with Gandalf
@@joshharris6525 i think perhaps few high ranking and high born people knew who Aragorn is but i doubt average soldiers knew anything unlki with Gandalf where everyone at least knows about him but Denethor would definitely have undermined Aragorn way way more
Fighting Fingolfin was a pretty bad mistake, although he killed him he had one hell of a limp and scars to show how he got merked by the badass elf.
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Someone educate me here. Was Melkor's original purpose not to act as an assistant and confident of sorts to Eru?
If so, is his fall not directly the fault of Iluvatar? Look at it from Melkor's point of view: all day long your friend gets to play with paints and art supplies. They ask you for your thoughts and talk to you about what they are painting and how their project will go. You, however, are never allowed to try and paint for yourself. That would bother me.
Not to soil all things with U.S. politics, but I am amazed, and deeply ashamed, at how closely the description of Melkor matches that of a certain Donald J.
Villainy, as a detriment to civilization, is universal.
Oh and absolutely love the nod to Fallout 🫡
Ftom what I understand of Melcor, he only wanted to destroy and dominate.
He had no other plan
Biggest mistake?
Rebelling against Iluvatar. Wasn't going to end well.
How weak was Morgoth when Ungoliant was able to threaten him and he had to call the balrogs? (Or was she just super-charged on tree juice?) Do you all think the horde of balrogs could take her down?
Super tree juice and she wasn’t a weak being by no means
In a sense yes, especially there were complete 7 of them, yes Ungoliant was empowered by the Light of the Two Tress but her Spider body was bound mortal she’s only super-powerful but not invincible, for Balrogs are no ordinary foes either, they’re Morgoth’s main Warhammer soldiers in his arsenal and let’s not forget they were once Maiar, primordial divine angelic spirits who like their superior brethren The Valar, existed before time and creation began and they have powers akin to that of a Demigod and even when Morgoth corrupted them to service they still retain their Maiar powers so yes combine all 7 together combine could definitely slay Ungoliant hence why the reason she immediately flees because she knows she’s outmatched by the full might of the Balrogs even with her super powered form
@@johnkamadeva4747 well said. Not much can stand against 7 fully powered balrogs.
@@StarsAndDreamz except for Fëanor though, as @sshole as he is, he’s actually the most powerful of all the Eldar race (Fingolfin comes in 2nd to him while the 3rd is Ecthelion)
In the entire Legendarium, Fëanor is pretty much the only one who fought the full might of the Balrogs before being finally slain by the Gothmog, Lord and mightiest of Balrogs in the end
it really says that even though he’s an asshole, he’s not one to be underestimated with, gotta give him credit for standing his own against the full might of the Balrogs even though it was gonna be in vain in the end, an absolute beast of an Elf
Melkor's mistake was in wanting to have the (Secret Fire) power of creation like Eru. Within the framework of the nihilist philosophy into which he was dragged, his desire to destroy is a result of not having the power and ability to create. This is not actually a mistake. Because Melkor, like the other Ainur, is a reflection of the part of Eru's mind from which he came. Therefore, the problem here is God (Eru) himself.
Video 296
What was Melkor's biggest mistake? There's lots of it.
he isn't Tom Bombadil
Seems to me Tolkein just reimagines and retells the Biblical account of the Fall of Lucifer
Yes, a little bit but it was more intricate and interesting. But yes, that's what it's like. It was meant to be a mythology of creation. He was Catholic. The only difference is there's not going to be a final battle between Good and evil. He didn't want to undo all the good that was done. It's an enjoyable story. But yes, this is a tribute to the Bible. Not a mockery of any kind. It's a tribute to love and life and the fight against evil.
There is no doubt that Melkor represented his views on what Lucifer was no. I read somewhere that Tolkien hated metaphors, but Melkor/Morgoth is without doubt a representation or if you like a metaphor for Lucifer.
@@karlandersson4350 Melkor was obviously a simile for Lucifer. Now what was sauron ? He didn't really exist in regular mythology or the Bible. Just Lucifer light I guess.
@BrianEthridge-wg6ko to put it simply, Saruon goes to being the ultimate perfection in his own way. Believe he knows what best than his creator, anyone who doesn't is his enemy. Much like humans believes they know better than God by trying to insert their own goals above other. Sauron is what considered the idea of the ultimate or perfect human, which is irony as the more evil Sauron became more human he has become, losing his omnipotent wisdom. For example why mount doom was left unguarded because Sauron believes no one would destroy his ring. It wasn't even a thought he bother toyed with, believeing his enemies would try to used his ring against him.
@@bloodysimile4893 Thank you for that response. I really mean that. I can't argue with it. That's quite thoughtful and intuitive. I didn't think about it like that. I think philosophy is kind of a joke because it just creates a circle but a circle of life is the same thing. It works that way because that's the only way it can. I think evil is the exact same way you can't have good without the bad!! How you can you call yourself good or be happy and good if you have no reference point. Guess the true meaning of it is the human race always needs something to rage against!!!
"for it's own sake" really? Doesn't literally everybody who is tempted by the ring have a "sake" that isn't power itself, in fact isn't that quite literally the entire point Tolkien makes. Maybe it's just the seeking of power for ANY sake. Or maybe gandalf doesn't make the point that "Yet the way of the Ring to my heart is by pity, pity for weakness and the desire of strength to do good. Do not tempt me! I dare not take it, not even to keep it safe, unused." Maybe Tolkien didn't write that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Think about it, did gandalf want to be sent to Arda at all? Maybe his lack of desire to become one of the Istari is exactly WHY he was the best one. 🤔
Not to be nit-picky but people always say "power for power's sake" and it really pisses me off that it's literally the opposite, it's for SOME sake every single time. I honestly don't mean to single you out when so many other folks say this same thing so often.
Otherwise very good video. I totally agree about the desire for dominance. Liked and subbed o7
Wth? Morgoth's biggest mistake was rejecting God and wanting creation for himself. Doomed to fail.
Melkor... same as tRump
Melkor did no mistakes but did his role. He’s part of Eru’s thought. Maybe Eru felt bored and just want to see some drama in his creations.
It is not Malkor but Melkor.Just saying!
Morgoth is an oddity among villains in fiction, as is Sauron. Morgoth wanted Arda to be as was intended _BUT_ with his own role in it being dominant. Basically, he was egotistical and wanted the very nature of reality itself to reflect his own essence for his own glory. Sauron, on the other hand, believed that Morgoth's goal would be best for people. Which was probably why he was so patient and incredibly stubborn and determined in pursuit of his goal: he had the support of his conscience as he truly believed that his goal was for the good of everyone. What makes these two villains all the more interesting is their perspective due to their nature as vala and maia. I find it interesting that Melkor was arguably not truly rebellious. He wasn't _against_ Eru Illuvatar's music, he was trying to emphasize his own part and raise it above what Illuvatar had presumably intended. Though, it turned out Eru Illuvatar had actually intended for this in the first place.
Because of this nature and its very much otherworldly perspective and literal way of perceiving reality and the world, they weren't like normal villains who either use the "greater good" as an excuse or are so blinded by their desires that they don't realize they've slid far down a slipper slope. They quite probably literally saw the world in a very different way to how living beings see it. Sauron, for example, was probably genuinely right in his belief.
The problem was that whatever he saw that convinced him he was right was from the perspective of "right" of a maia and specifically his own particular type of maia. Which is outright into eldritch abomination territory in terms of how alien such a perspective is to normal living beings. Come to think of it, this might be a key reason for why the istari, the wizards, were so limited in their powers and why much of their nature was locked away by the valar. To essentially blinker their perception to try to prevent a repeat of what happened to Sauron.
Perhaps in Melkor's case, Eru Illuvatar adapting the Music of the Ainur to account for Melkor's changes convinced him that he was right. After all, Illuvatar did not simply erase him or his changes, did he? It perhaps bloated his ego and self-assurance even further.
Just a reminder, Harry Potter fans think Dumbledore can beat melkor
This is the stupidest comment ever. Please delete it
Tell me this does not have anything to do with Christianity....
Being evil.
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