"... needing a tool to open the tools on my tool - that's a level of recursion I am not necessarily comfortable with" has to be one of my all-time favorite product review zingers. Love it! Altogether, a very helpful and entertaining review. Thanks!
The saw is the key to this multitool. If the saw is something you use then this is the only leatherman that can compete with victorinox. Without this I have to choose between a saw or a pliers, carry a too heavy brick in my pocket or carry a leatherman and a victorinox. There's a bunch of leatherman's for people that don't need the saw, let us saw users have this one (maybe I'm the only one that uses these though, perfect for notches).
@@TonyMoleman490 I like the saw as well, its great for other things than sawing when you have it close at hand like scraping with the back side, using ferro rods, carefully scratching mosquito bites (sounds weird but trust me xD). And also specific tasks where a knife would be laborous to do the same thing like cutting thicker plastics, piping etc! Haven't tried the Juice saw though
Got a CS4 for Christmas from the wife in 2004. My very first multi-tool. Carried it everyday in a sheath on my belt for five years, and I loved it. Yes, it is nail nick heavy but the outside tools are easy to get out. The inside tools, however, as Nick so beautifully demonstrated, are a bear to open. I actually have a paracord lanyard on my CS4 to help me get those inside screwdriver tools out because otherwise they tear up my fingernails. The lifter thing for the corkscrew (I don't know what it's called either) is also a can/bottle opener. And a corkscrew can be used to open wine bottles, of course, but also as a scraper and to untie knots. The Victorinox micro screwdriver tool also fits in the CS4 corkscrew, so you have an extra tool there. Overall, a handy little tool that I'm glad I got.
Nick the reason for the oddly short blade is that they wanted to make the tool compliant with the proposed 2013 TSA rule change that would have made short blades that fit within a very narrow set of parameters legal to carry on planes (those rules also guided the design of the Spyderco Roadie). The rule change was scrapped but Leatherman decided to stick with the redesign/refresh of the line. I have one of the original CS4's. It has a weird spear point/drop point blade that looks oddly thin compared to the body of the tool.
Since it is summer and I wear shorts for work I use my Leatherman Squirt PS4 every day... Mostly opening boxes with the file, cutting plastic with the knife, and sometimes removing splinters with whatever it takes... When I go back to pant weather, I'm going to pick up a Juice... Seems like a nice medium choice......
Long time ago, went camping and boy friend lost the key to 65 VW bug. Used my Swiss army cork screw to twist into the lock cylinder. We all drove home happy. I think the saw could be used for cutting dry wall.Lov ya
- The separate Leatherman bit driver *does* fit the Juice Phillips head - The non-locking knife makes a Juice one of the few decent sized, quality multi-tools you can safely EDC in environments or countries with restrictive knife laws - I've just noticed that my Juice S2 has 'scallops' cut into the handles which make nail access to the smaller tools relatively easy. The CS4 appears to not have similar cut-outs. So, if nail-nicks are a potential concern maybe consider an S2, or drinking more milk and taking a zinc supplement - Yes, the pricing is bonkers
Nick Shabazz It's the 'Removable bit driver' you can fit onto the Phillips. It certainly works on my S2. Then you can slot a Leatherman or standard bit into that. You can't fit a bit directly into a Juice. Personally, I've never quite understood carrying a separate dedicated extension and bits with a multitool. I may as well carry a small ratchet rather than an extender. However, these things seem popular.
... fwiw in terms of tool selection, nail-nicky and slip-jointy nature of the Juice line, I've always considered it as Leatherman's alternative to a mid-size Victorinox, rather than a scaled-down Wave, - only with decent pliers and at 2-3x the price. As such I suspect Juices appeal more to European customers than US consumers.
Great review Nick. Really enjoyed your humour and learning from your depth of knowledge. I am not used to that Can Opener/Cork Screw Assist but I have watched some reviews on it and they were quite positive for use on the cans. The Cork Screw will most likely never be used by me. I am leaning toward the CS4 as an upgrade to my EDC bush kit. I like the lighter weight, smaller size and solid construction. My normal multi tool is the much cheaper and lighter Swiss Army Hiker. The saw is a big plus for me for use in the bush. I may attach a Ferrocerium Rod striker to the lanyard as a way to open those stiff screw drivers. Thanks again Nick.
I actually switched my CS4 out for an S2, because I never used the corkscrew for any reason, and every tool I am missing is duplicated in something else I carry normally. Also, an interesting counterpoint, if you need some additional bit options, they do sell a removable bit driver set that is designed to fit over the phillips on any of the Leatherman's with a similar driver.
You are so awesome, i watched this video more than 10 times and still enjoyed. After that I just bought this tool Thank you so much and keep up your great work 👍
Thanks for a good review. It can be nice to mount a Victorinox Swiss mini screwdriver in the corkscrew tool, to use on glasses / sunglasses and other small things, you can never get to much tools on Juice CS4! : ) The saw tool is a matter of taste and need, just like any other tool, and not something to view as unnecessary or wrong. I think that they made the blade shorter on purpose for a reason in mind. If someone absolutely must have a longer blade, then choose a different model with longer blade. I agree with you that the tools should be more easy to access!
and it easy to sharpen, which makes it a nice compliment to a more expensive knife. I like having a short wharny blade that I don't mind gunking up with tape or hitting staples with because it takes 5 minutes to resharpen it.
Might nick your digits a little, but you...er, nailed your presentation. All due respect, I can't say I fully agree with you on the saw, I love having something robust that'll tear through something besides wood if I need it (and I have on occasion) that I'd worry might otherwise compromise a serrated blade. All that aside, I sincerely love your no non-sense delivery...You could moonlight voice over work for the right spots...trust me. Plus, you made me laugh (out loud mind you) several times. Post apocalyptic hellscape for survivalist wine sommeliers?! LOL. Heck, I know I'd be drinking plenty if I was trying to survive one.
Nick Shabazz Solid review (as always). I have the CS4 and it's the only Leatherman that I currently own. I like that it has some of the Wave elements, but is a much more forgiving pocket carry. Overall I'm pretty happy with it, but if priced closer to $55-60, it would enter more gem-like territory, at least for my tastes. But the 'magic' CS4 woud have an S35V blade and easier tool access.
The Leatherman MUT is great to have if you're out shooting. The brass awl on it allows you to do basic first aid on the gun without scratching the finish.
The Juice S2 is the gold standard for EDC multitools imo. Compared to the CS4 you lose a few tools that are not that useful for me anyway (saw, corkscrew) but you also save some weight. On top of that, the tools on the inside are easier to access than on the CS4.
I agree, I have the orange Juice S2 and it's really nice when you're not carrying something like the Wave. The only two bad things I can say about the S2 is that to get to the scissors you have to open up the can opener tool, I'd prefer the scissors to be instantly available. The other slight downer is that the side of the case with the orange handle feels too flexible. It has some bend to the scale, too much really. Otherwise it's great. like this Nick's review. My favourite of all time is the Wave though. Love it, especially with the bit set.
Agreed on the functions and SaWC (Size and Weight Constraints). One way of making it even better for EDC on Leatherman's side is to include a pocket clip, removable or fixed. Or any quick-attachment accessory like the raptor sheath. Carrying the Juice loose in pocket can be annoying at times, even with lanyard.
get a tec p7 suspension clip and you have a fantastic and durable pocket clip as well as deep carry. if you want to exchange emails ill send you one to try. its how i carry my juice c2 and i love it. also with all these custom kydex makers i dont see why you couldnt either make your own sheath or have one comissioned if you dont mind spending the coinage for it.
Thanks for the recommendation, yeah I know of TEC. Some of their other accessories are also nice to have (namely the split ring kits) and I can give it a try when placing my next order on BHQ. My initial point was this can also be done on Leatherman's side to make them sell better. Actually I cried for that every time that I went to Portland and visited their retail store/servicing center, maybe I'm just a little spoiled by the Wingman/Sidekick/Sideclip/Kick style pocket clip.
The cs4 is my favorite MT especially because of the saw. I’m always cutting saplings, vines and doing minor pruning in my yard. If Leatherman would only cram a file and tweezers with no additional weight.
One of the reasons I use only Leatherman MTs is that they're modular. For this application the removable bit driver fits on the phillips. The CS lever also opens cans, and bottles. The CS I seldom use too, put a SAK precision driver bit in and more function is had. I too keep my nails clipped short, my pointer and thumb are somewhat longer for utility/scratching purposes.
I don't particularly agree with counting the saw as a con, I think it's just how you're looking at it. They aren't just for lumberjacks or survivalists, they're for generally handy people. You'd be shocked at how quickly you can trim down a 2x4 with one of these little Leatherman saws.
Yeah, they're quite useful at cutting plastic. If I could only have one though I'd take the metal saw on the Wave/Charge. I've used mine to saw through a padlock someone lost the key to.
Nick we all know that the original and current wave are the industry’s bench mark.. although the original swisstool is a beast of a tool with some pretty unique tools on compared to a leatherman but weighing in at over 10 ozs!! The juice range here in the UK is a big seller because of our stiff rules on locking blades and blade length. See if you can get your hands on the original juice xe6.. it came in purple and grey only.. weighs in around 6ozs but has all the functionality of the original wave including an awl. Plus longer cutting blades than the current juice range..about the same size of large Swiss Army knife I think you’d like it it’s a beautiful thing..
Whooo aaare you? Are you secretly a stand up comedian? Is that your real voice? Whatever is going on, I love your schtick. Great review. I was seriously considering getting the Juice, but now I am definitely going for the Wave. Thanks for such a detailed review. "Survivalist sommelier" lololol
If they would knock all those three drivers out of the one pivot point, they could easily fit the Wave's bit holder and it would be considerably better.
The seriousness with which you talk about the "survivalist sommelier" needing to pair wine with captured forest creatures in some kind of "post-apocaliptic hellscape" 🤣
A Charge version in juice size would be the way to go. Hate slip joints and nail nicks. Good review Nick! You pointed out its strength and shortcomings.
I prefer Victorinox to Leatherman although I do own a Wave and and a Blast. I'm not a big fan of the Leatherman scissors. I wish Victorinox would launch a "Swisstool" of the size of the Juice because that style of pliers is very functional.
The saw is Awsome! I craft a lot and whittle even more. And the small saw is absolutely useful. Many reviews are made from a man's point of view. But there are many many woman using multitools for their hobby's. I wish "you guys" would also include woman in your reviews. 😊
I think this series of multitools are mainly victorinox competitors, so people will get a normal sized swiss army knife and a leatherman plier at one package
But what I don't get is that if I for example need a locking tool or a full size tongs, I'm probably in a situation where I should have a small toolset at hand and that I would much prefer a small toolset to the Wave. Such circumstances might be when a car, motorbike, boat engine or something has broken down. The Juice, for me, is a tool that's handy when I don't have the toolset, like when hiking or just edcing. So my question is, why carry a wave when you can keep regular tongs close at hand when you need them and might prefer them, maybe along with a Juice?
Nicholas Farrar Seems pretty unnecessary to me. Most people will carry a primary blade for cutting, multitool blades are just a 'better than nothing' option. No point having a huge increase in price on the tool, just for better blade steel in a blade most people won't use. Just immediately loses out on value.
I and other disagree. I wouldn't always carry another knife if my multitool knife was of functional design and premium steel. Thats the reason I EDC a Charge TI. It has a useful but small S30V blade. It holds a good edge but I would like a smaller multitool option like the juice with premium steel.
The major downside to NLK's, are the fact that they can't do half the wild things you can do with a fixed/locking knife. It's really only for light work.
I use the wave juice and squirt many times daily .don't know what i did before i had them .oh yeah i carried a screwdriver that had large and small Phillips and flat flip bits a plyer and an adjustable rench in a bag . I use the saw often .i don't have trouble with the nail nick .they loosen up with use and oil.got it for$40.00 three yrs ago ? Even used the cork screw many times and not just on wine .
The Wave is just too large and heavy for pocket EDC for me and I imagine many people. But if you're looking for a pocket sized Leatherman that's beefier than the squirt, the Skeletool is the obvious choice. It's cheaper and lighter than the CS4, has a locking blade and a pocket clip, and you give up a few less useful tools while getting a bit driver with storage for an extra bit.
This was my edc hanging on my keychain. The pliers broke when I tried to go through a piece of plastic. I replaced it with a custom victorinox cybertool, and I keep an irwin pliers in my backpack.
S2, SX and C2 inner tools are easier to get into. They have extra cutouts on the other side. Also the blades were originally longer. Sure those lose the saw and awl... not perfect of course.
had the juice S2 for 6 years before i lost it...these multiool can take alot of beating. i used my as an hamer often. i want to get a new juice s2 but its around 90 Euros here in the Netherlands ugh. but its PERFECT for EDC..just take my word for it. They only downside is the new design..i like the old bright orange color
the leatherman juice and skeletool are my top 2 edc light use multi tools and run in direct competition with eachother in my carry rotation. i own 3 skeletools though....because bit drivers...and bit extender... i have the juice c2 which does not have the saw or scissors. i love the plier shape on the c2. even moreso than the skeletool. action is smoother as well. feels better in hand than the skeletool. i prefer the bottle opener on the skeletool. the knife on the juice c2 is nicer than the skeletool but the higher end non serrated skeletool has a nice knife with 1 handed opening and locks. they really should dump the phillips on the juice for the 2 bit drivers so you can do your glasses and use all the other bit drivers. pocket clip is negated by adding a tec p7 suspension clip or if you go on ebay buy the china clones with an x on them for a buck or less if you buy 10 or more. theyre fantastic. put them on all your keys. i dont mind the non locking tools so much. for most uses you can just adjust your angle and grip. theres some angles the skeletool does better. nail nick is a very strong gripe. the juice cs4 is too thick for my tastes. the c2 is slightly slimmer than the skeletool so i like it a lot. i wouldnt go with the cs4. id opt for the wave as for a few bucks more you do get the better tool. more capability, strength, slightly larger in size. damn though if the juice line doesnt look cool. i carry the leatherman bits in my 5th pocket/coin pocket with a victorinox cadet daily for work with the skeletool. for super light duty i carry a squirt ps4 and a style cs. im not fond of this setup but its tiny and light. ill be buying the wave sometime this year to see if my opinions change. i have the surge and its just too much for my edc uses. i only carry it on my off days when ill be in the garage on a belt sheath. i prefer pocket clip but not with that bad boy
Deciding on the CS4 or the Juice S2 for a EDC. The non locking blade makes it city friendly within the laws. But for work only, I would opt out for a Wave or Skeletool.
I just don't see the point in this particular tool. If you want a bare bones edc multitool, go for the S2. If you want a much more robust multitool but still want it compact, get the XE6. It's got the saw, serrated blade, file, and awl on top of what the CS4 has. Or, just move up to the Wave/Charge.
Brady Blackburn I’m a Leatherman fan but this seems to be the one tool that doesn’t really have a point, except making it bigger than the little ones and smaller than a wave. Most SAKs kick it’s arse imho.
Ivan Žeželj Look at CedricAda Gear & Outdoors' tests. They are very consistent and the results should be pretty reliable. I'm recommending because Nick doesn't do fixed blade reviews.
I know they are very good I have one :) I just wanted to hear what nick thinks of fallkniven lam. VG10 steel, I never heard him talk about fallkniven and they have folding knives too and I know they are not his style, but still.
I agree with only 2 of you negatives. Mostly the price is too high when compared to the Leatherman line. The changeable bit addition would be nice, but changeable bits are only useful only if you have a place to store the bits. For a pocket tool this item is well designed and very useful. I gave a thumbs down as the review would have been more useful if you had demonstrated your pluses and minuses.
I think Nick goes on and on too much about the supposed defects of the Juice. I guess a locking blade is nice to have but on a small tool such as the juice something you can live without. I have used the saw on the Swiss Champ knife to good effect in camping and field work situations, and it is smaller than the saw on the Juice, so I would hardly consider the saw on the Juice as somehow substandard.
Nick Shabazz I watched ur review on it and i really agreed! But Im not sure if maybe should go for a style PS, which has no blade and i guess can be used in public places. Here in Norway no dangerous tools are allowed outside of home, haha.
Try looking for the old-spec Squirt PS4s with torx pivots (if the tools confiscated at airports ends up in auctions). You can then remove the dangerous blade and replace that with some safer tools.
in my opinion i think its totally fair, he mentioned how the cs4 is smaller and so therefore can be better for some people, but also mentioned how the price points are very similar and for a tiny bit extra you're getting what he believes is an overall better tool (as long as u can handle the extra size and weight)
hmm okay, well our opinions differ but that okay.i think a bit unfair because i think the cs4 is more meant for EDC and the wave more for outdoors stuf or something you put in your car. i carry the wave now since i lost my juice s2..and i hate it weight wise. anyhow nick nice vid..i thumbed it up !
I always saw this tool as made for fancy people who day hike with a bottle of wine... with that in mind the saw makes sense for harvesting marshmallow roasting sticks.
"... needing a tool to open the tools on my tool - that's a level of recursion I am not necessarily comfortable with" has to be one of my all-time favorite product review zingers. Love it! Altogether, a very helpful and entertaining review. Thanks!
You got me at "needing a tool to open a tool on the tool". Great review!
This is the only UK legal Leatherman I know of that isn't a Squirt, so I'm happy the tools don't lock. I have the S2 and I can't recommend it enough.
Completely with you on the bit set though
The saw is the key to this multitool. If the saw is something you use then this is the only leatherman that can compete with victorinox. Without this I have to choose between a saw or a pliers, carry a too heavy brick in my pocket or carry a leatherman and a victorinox. There's a bunch of leatherman's for people that don't need the saw, let us saw users have this one (maybe I'm the only one that uses these though, perfect for notches).
What types of tasks do you use your multitool saws for?
+Mt. Baldwin So do you carry the Victorinox/leatherman combo? I just might after getting a Juice. Juice/ Victorinox Camper edc seems ok to me
@@TonyMoleman490 I like the saw as well, its great for other things than sawing when you have it close at hand like scraping with the back side, using ferro rods, carefully scratching mosquito bites (sounds weird but trust me xD). And also specific tasks where a knife would be laborous to do the same thing like cutting thicker plastics, piping etc! Haven't tried the Juice saw though
I totally agree. Use the saw in the most awkward spots where I would have to go a long way to get the tool. Juice wins
Well, there is leatgerman surge afterall for everything
Got a CS4 for Christmas from the wife in 2004. My very first multi-tool. Carried it everyday in a sheath on my belt for five years, and I loved it. Yes, it is nail nick heavy but the outside tools are easy to get out.
The inside tools, however, as Nick so beautifully demonstrated, are a bear to open. I actually have a paracord lanyard on my CS4 to help me get those inside screwdriver tools out because otherwise they tear up my fingernails.
The lifter thing for the corkscrew (I don't know what it's called either) is also a can/bottle opener. And a corkscrew can be used to open wine bottles, of course, but also as a scraper and to untie knots. The Victorinox micro screwdriver tool also fits in the CS4 corkscrew, so you have an extra tool there.
Overall, a handy little tool that I'm glad I got.
Damn, missed opportunity at the end there to say "I hope you found it juice-ful.."!
Damnit! How did I miss that.
Nick the reason for the oddly short blade is that they wanted to make the tool compliant with the proposed 2013 TSA rule change that would have made short blades that fit within a very narrow set of parameters legal to carry on planes (those rules also guided the design of the Spyderco Roadie). The rule change was scrapped but Leatherman decided to stick with the redesign/refresh of the line. I have one of the original CS4's. It has a weird spear point/drop point blade that looks oddly thin compared to the body of the tool.
IamTheInsideOutsider, the 2018 knife only reboot version has the original blade in it.
Below 3 inches and non locking means it's street legal for UK market and other European countries to
Since it is summer and I wear shorts for work I use my Leatherman Squirt PS4 every day... Mostly opening boxes with the file, cutting plastic with the knife, and sometimes removing splinters with whatever it takes... When I go back to pant weather, I'm going to pick up a Juice... Seems like a nice medium choice......
Long time ago, went camping and boy friend lost the key to 65 VW bug. Used my Swiss army cork screw to twist into the lock
cylinder. We all drove home happy. I think the saw could be used for cutting dry wall.Lov ya
Hey nick. The saw works perfectly to cut Sheetrock.
Perfect for an electrician gotta cut out an outlet in a pinch.
- The separate Leatherman bit driver *does* fit the Juice Phillips head
- The non-locking knife makes a Juice one of the few decent sized, quality multi-tools you can safely EDC in environments or countries with restrictive knife laws
- I've just noticed that my Juice S2 has 'scallops' cut into the handles which make nail access to the smaller tools relatively easy. The CS4 appears to not have similar cut-outs. So, if nail-nicks are a potential concern maybe consider an S2, or drinking more milk and taking a zinc supplement
- Yes, the pricing is bonkers
PS you can add slightly more functionality to the corkscrew by fitting it with a Victorinox mini screwdriver, which does fit nicely
+ComUnSas How does one pop that Phillips head out to fit a Leatherman bit in?
Nick Shabazz It's the 'Removable bit driver' you can fit onto the Phillips. It certainly works on my S2. Then you can slot a Leatherman or standard bit into that. You can't fit a bit directly into a Juice. Personally, I've never quite understood carrying a separate dedicated extension and bits with a multitool. I may as well carry a small ratchet rather than an extender. However, these things seem popular.
... fwiw in terms of tool selection, nail-nicky and slip-jointy nature of the Juice line, I've always considered it as Leatherman's alternative to a mid-size Victorinox, rather than a scaled-down Wave, - only with decent pliers and at 2-3x the price. As such I suspect Juices appeal more to European customers than US consumers.
don't believe the crap of the dairy industry
You got some excellent point on the Leatherman juice CS4 on how they can improve this wonderful tool great review 👌
Great review Nick. Really enjoyed your humour and learning from your depth of knowledge. I am not used to that Can Opener/Cork Screw Assist but I have watched some reviews on it and they were quite positive for use on the cans. The Cork Screw will most likely never be used by me. I am leaning toward the CS4 as an upgrade to my EDC bush kit. I like the lighter weight, smaller size and solid construction. My normal multi tool is the much cheaper and lighter Swiss Army Hiker. The saw is a big plus for me for use in the bush. I may attach a Ferrocerium Rod striker to the lanyard as a way to open those stiff screw drivers. Thanks again Nick.
I actually switched my CS4 out for an S2, because I never used the corkscrew for any reason, and every tool I am missing is duplicated in something else I carry normally. Also, an interesting counterpoint, if you need some additional bit options, they do sell a removable bit driver set that is designed to fit over the phillips on any of the Leatherman's with a similar driver.
You are so awesome, i watched this video more than 10 times and still enjoyed.
After that I just bought this tool
Thank you so much and keep up your great work 👍
Thanks for a good review. It can be nice to mount a Victorinox Swiss mini screwdriver in the corkscrew tool, to use on glasses / sunglasses and other small things, you can never get to much tools on Juice CS4! : ) The saw tool is a matter of taste and need, just like any other tool, and not something to view as unnecessary or wrong. I think that they made the blade shorter on purpose for a reason in mind. If someone absolutely must have a longer blade, then choose a different model with longer blade. I agree with you that the tools should be more easy to access!
420HC blade steel is probably better than the average multi-tool user can appreciate. : )
and it easy to sharpen, which makes it a nice compliment to a more expensive knife. I like having a short wharny blade that I don't mind gunking up with tape or hitting staples with because it takes 5 minutes to resharpen it.
Nick sounds like MOE SIZZLACK
Might nick your digits a little, but you...er, nailed your presentation. All due respect, I can't say I fully agree with you on the saw, I love having something robust that'll tear through something besides wood if I need it (and I have on occasion) that I'd worry might otherwise compromise a serrated blade. All that aside, I sincerely love your no non-sense delivery...You could moonlight voice over work for the right spots...trust me. Plus, you made me laugh (out loud mind you) several times. Post apocalyptic hellscape for survivalist wine sommeliers?! LOL. Heck, I know I'd be drinking plenty if I was trying to survive one.
Nick Shabazz Solid review (as always). I have the CS4 and it's the only Leatherman that I currently own. I like that it has some of the Wave elements, but is a much more forgiving pocket carry. Overall I'm pretty happy with it, but if priced closer to $55-60, it would enter more gem-like territory, at least for my tastes. But the 'magic' CS4 woud have an S35V blade and easier tool access.
The Leatherman MUT is great to have if you're out shooting. The brass awl on it allows you to do basic first aid on the gun without scratching the finish.
The Juice S2 is the gold standard for EDC multitools imo. Compared to the CS4 you lose a few tools that are not that useful for me anyway (saw, corkscrew) but you also save some weight. On top of that, the tools on the inside are easier to access than on the CS4.
I agree, I have the orange Juice S2 and it's really nice when you're not carrying something like the Wave. The only two bad things I can say about the S2 is that to get to the scissors you have to open up the can opener tool, I'd prefer the scissors to be instantly available. The other slight downer is that the side of the case with the orange handle feels too flexible. It has some bend to the scale, too much really. Otherwise it's great. like this Nick's review. My favourite of all time is the Wave though. Love it, especially with the bit set.
Agreed on the functions and SaWC (Size and Weight Constraints). One way of making it even better for EDC on Leatherman's side is to include a pocket clip, removable or fixed. Or any quick-attachment accessory like the raptor sheath. Carrying the Juice loose in pocket can be annoying at times, even with lanyard.
get a tec p7 suspension clip and you have a fantastic and durable pocket clip as well as deep carry. if you want to exchange emails ill send you one to try. its how i carry my juice c2 and i love it.
also with all these custom kydex makers i dont see why you couldnt either make your own sheath or have one comissioned if you dont mind spending the coinage for it.
I forgot to mention the clip. Juice S2 + P7 clip are a great combo.
Thanks for the recommendation, yeah I know of TEC. Some of their other accessories are also nice to have (namely the split ring kits) and I can give it a try when placing my next order on BHQ. My initial point was this can also be done on Leatherman's side to make them sell better. Actually I cried for that every time that I went to Portland and visited their retail store/servicing center, maybe I'm just a little spoiled by the Wingman/Sidekick/Sideclip/Kick style pocket clip.
I have two each of the Juice CS4 and XE6. Had one each and got more when they discontinued them. My favorite.
Being a picNicking wine drinker... I'm Awl In!!
The cs4 is my favorite MT especially because of the saw. I’m always cutting saplings, vines and doing minor pruning in my yard. If Leatherman would only cram a file and tweezers with no additional weight.
Enjoyed your vocabulary again. Especially when you were describing for who it is. The survivalist sommolier
One of the reasons I use only Leatherman MTs is that they're modular. For this application the removable bit driver fits on the phillips. The CS lever also opens cans, and bottles. The CS I seldom use too, put a SAK precision driver bit in and more function is had. I too keep my nails clipped short, my pointer and thumb are somewhat longer for utility/scratching purposes.
I don't particularly agree with counting the saw as a con, I think it's just how you're looking at it. They aren't just for lumberjacks or survivalists, they're for generally handy people. You'd be shocked at how quickly you can trim down a 2x4 with one of these little Leatherman saws.
Re: the saw--I don't know about the ones Leatherman makes but Victorinox saws can cut PVC pretty well if you have the need and nothing better handy.
Yeah, they're quite useful at cutting plastic. If I could only have one though I'd take the metal saw on the Wave/Charge. I've used mine to saw through a padlock someone lost the key to.
Nick we all know that the original and current wave are the industry’s bench mark.. although the original swisstool is a beast of a tool with some pretty unique tools on compared to a leatherman but weighing in at over 10 ozs!! The juice range here in the UK is a big seller because of our stiff rules on locking blades and blade length. See if you can get your hands on the original juice xe6.. it came in purple and grey only.. weighs in around 6ozs but has all the functionality of the original wave including an awl. Plus longer cutting blades than the current juice range..about the same size of large Swiss Army knife I think you’d like it it’s a beautiful thing..
I carry the Juice in the UK. UK knife law states that edc knife must be non-locking and under 3 inches. Its a great tool, use it all the time!
This review made me laugh hard multiple times at the end of a very crappy day. Thank you Nick!
Whooo aaare you? Are you secretly a stand up comedian? Is that your real voice? Whatever is going on, I love your schtick. Great review. I was seriously considering getting the Juice, but now I am definitely going for the Wave. Thanks for such a detailed review. "Survivalist sommelier" lololol
Isn't a saw basically a serrated knife blade, Nick?
12:02 it was disigned to fitt TSA knife regulations
If they would knock all those three drivers out of the one pivot point, they could easily fit the Wave's bit holder and it would be considerably better.
It’s the best review I watched about leatherman juice CS4 so thank you so much and keep up your great job
The seriousness with which you talk about the "survivalist sommelier" needing to pair wine with captured forest creatures in some kind of "post-apocaliptic hellscape" 🤣
A Charge version in juice size would be the way to go. Hate slip joints and nail nicks. Good review Nick! You pointed out its strength and shortcomings.
I prefer Victorinox to Leatherman although I do own a Wave and and a Blast. I'm not a big fan of the Leatherman scissors. I wish Victorinox would launch a "Swisstool" of the size of the Juice because that style of pliers is very functional.
The saw is Awsome! I craft a lot and whittle even more. And the small saw is absolutely useful. Many reviews are made from a man's point of view. But there are many many woman using multitools for their hobby's. I wish "you guys" would also include woman in your reviews. 😊
Me too. Indeed, the saw and the blade are incredibly sharp
I think this series of multitools are mainly victorinox competitors, so people will get a normal sized swiss army knife and a leatherman plier at one package
But what I don't get is that if I for example need a locking tool or a full size tongs, I'm probably in a situation where I should have a small toolset at hand and that I would much prefer a small toolset to the Wave. Such circumstances might be when a car, motorbike, boat engine or something has broken down. The Juice, for me, is a tool that's handy when I don't have the toolset, like when hiking or just edcing. So my question is, why carry a wave when you can keep regular tongs close at hand when you need them and might prefer them, maybe along with a Juice?
I 100% agree with the need for premium steel in muti-tool blades! The Charge tti is the best going with S30V.
Nicholas Farrar
Seems pretty unnecessary to me. Most people will carry a primary blade for cutting, multitool blades are just a 'better than nothing' option. No point having a huge increase in price on the tool, just for better blade steel in a blade most people won't use. Just immediately loses out on value.
I and other disagree. I wouldn't always carry another knife if my multitool knife was of functional design and premium steel. Thats the reason I EDC a Charge TI. It has a useful but small S30V blade. It holds a good edge but I would like a smaller multitool option like the juice with premium steel.
Demonstrates scissors by cutting a bore cleaning patch. I like it!
Nothing wrong with non-locking tools. Too many people say it is sad. Some places do not allow locking tools. That is more than fine for that.
The major downside to NLK's, are the fact that they can't do half the wild things you can do with a fixed/locking knife. It's really only for light work.
Great review. Modding this would be fun.
Been waiting on this review. Already got the other three and been thinking about this one.
I also like short clipped nails, the pioneer finger and thumb are left longer for such tools etc.
I use the wave juice and squirt many times daily .don't know what i did before i had them .oh yeah i carried a screwdriver that had large and small Phillips and flat flip bits a plyer and an adjustable rench in a bag .
I use the saw often .i don't have trouble with the nail nick .they loosen up with use and oil.got it for$40.00 three yrs ago ? Even used the cork screw many times and not just on wine .
The Wave is just too large and heavy for pocket EDC for me and I imagine many people. But if you're looking for a pocket sized Leatherman that's beefier than the squirt, the Skeletool is the obvious choice. It's cheaper and lighter than the CS4, has a locking blade and a pocket clip, and you give up a few less useful tools while getting a bit driver with storage for an extra bit.
They make a slip on driver that will fit over the Phillips driver. It will take 1/4 bits or Leatherman bits.
I believe they shortened the blade a couple years back when the tsa was about to let small slip joints on planes.
Why not a review of the swisstool spirit x??
IMO better than the leatherman wave. I'll lend mine.
I like my Rebar, even if I have to open the thing to get at the tools :). It's a beautiful thing....
Am I crazy or is the Rebar just a smaller built Supertool? It basically looks like the same tool selection, locking mechanism, etc.
Wiggly Wolf Productions that's exactly what it is mate
THE JUICE!!!!!
This was my edc hanging on my keychain. The pliers broke when I tried to go through a piece of plastic.
I replaced it with a custom victorinox cybertool, and I keep an irwin pliers in my backpack.
You didn't try contacting customer support? Leatherman has 25 year warranty
S2, SX and C2 inner tools are easier to get into. They have extra cutouts on the other side. Also the blades were originally longer. Sure those lose the saw and awl... not perfect of course.
"A survivalist sommelier"
Nick Shabazz predicts Nick Offerman's character from "The Last of Us."
had the juice S2 for 6 years before i lost it...these multiool can take alot of beating. i used my as an hamer often. i want to get a new juice s2 but its around 90 Euros here in the Netherlands ugh. but its PERFECT for EDC..just take my word for it. They only downside is the new design..i like the old bright orange color
Nick, is the hex bit hole in your wave loose and has a tendency to drop the bit? Mine does.
The blade size and non locking screams UK/EU market.
the leatherman juice and skeletool are my top 2 edc light use multi tools and run in direct competition with eachother in my carry rotation. i own 3 skeletools though....because bit drivers...and bit extender...
i have the juice c2 which does not have the saw or scissors.
i love the plier shape on the c2. even moreso than the skeletool. action is smoother as well. feels better in hand than the skeletool.
i prefer the bottle opener on the skeletool. the knife on the juice c2 is nicer than the skeletool but the higher end non serrated skeletool has a nice knife with 1 handed opening and locks.
they really should dump the phillips on the juice for the 2 bit drivers so you can do your glasses and use all the other bit drivers. pocket clip is negated by adding a tec p7 suspension clip or if you go on ebay buy the china clones with an x on them for a buck or less if you buy 10 or more. theyre fantastic. put them on all your keys.
i dont mind the non locking tools so much. for most uses you can just adjust your angle and grip. theres some angles the skeletool does better.
nail nick is a very strong gripe.
the juice cs4 is too thick for my tastes. the c2 is slightly slimmer than the skeletool so i like it a lot. i wouldnt go with the cs4. id opt for the wave as for a few bucks more you do get the better tool. more capability, strength, slightly larger in size.
damn though if the juice line doesnt look cool.
i carry the leatherman bits in my 5th pocket/coin pocket with a victorinox cadet daily for work with the skeletool.
for super light duty i carry a squirt ps4 and a style cs. im not fond of this setup but its tiny and light.
ill be buying the wave sometime this year to see if my opinions change. i have the surge and its just too much for my edc uses. i only carry it on my off days when ill be in the garage on a belt sheath. i prefer pocket clip but not with that bad boy
I like the juice series for the 3D drivers if nothing else.
what's the difference between the various juice models? s2, cs4... xe6 etc...?
Is it just me, or is corkscrews never used on a multi tool.
Yeah if I'm opening a bottle of wine, I'm in a kitchen where there's a bottle opener..
You nail Nicked it.
Red, white or rosé?
Don't think that the saw blade is only for wood.
I get more use of my saw blade on heavy cardboard and in removing pallet wrap
I dub thee!: No Nail-Nick Shabazz!
where did you get that clip for the juice?
What is the name of the pocket clip shown in the thumbnail
I love the charge tti, but I'm in the market for a smaller one
Deciding on the CS4 or the Juice S2 for a EDC. The non locking blade makes it city friendly within the laws. But for work only, I would opt out for a Wave or Skeletool.
I just don't see the point in this particular tool. If you want a bare bones edc multitool, go for the S2. If you want a much more robust multitool but still want it compact, get the XE6. It's got the saw, serrated blade, file, and awl on top of what the CS4 has. Or, just move up to the Wave/Charge.
Brady Blackburn I’m a Leatherman fan but this seems to be the one tool that doesn’t really have a point, except making it bigger than the little ones and smaller than a wave. Most SAKs kick it’s arse imho.
Hey nick what do you think of fallkniven knives, and their steels VG10 and 3G?
Ivan Žeželj Look at CedricAda Gear & Outdoors' tests. They are very consistent and the results should be pretty reliable.
I'm recommending because Nick doesn't do fixed blade reviews.
I know they are very good I have one :)
I just wanted to hear what nick thinks of fallkniven lam. VG10 steel, I never heard him talk about fallkniven and they have folding knives too and I know they are not his style, but still.
Fällkniven is really good. Not flashy lookin', but one of the best fixed blade knives you can get for the price. I really want the A1 myself ;)
If “420HC was a fine steel fifteen, twenty years ago” then shouldn’t it still be fine now (even though an upgrade would be really nice)?
It'd be a fine steel if the tools cost what they did 20 years ago. But as the competition improves for the price, staying still is falling behind.
Nick Shabazz yes very good point. Must admit I wasn’t thinking in those teens.
Nick's large tool, I mean multi tool, dang!
No delica size comparison? 😥
Where did you get the clip
Rereleased in 2022 and $40 for Black Friday
I must have a older cs4 juice as it is all blue smooth scales but same stuff:)
nick i would like help on breaking the inside tools in please love & hate it
I agree with only 2 of you negatives. Mostly the price is too high when compared to the Leatherman line. The changeable bit addition would be nice, but changeable bits are only useful only if you have a place to store the bits. For a pocket tool this item is well designed and very useful. I gave a thumbs down as the review would have been more useful if you had demonstrated your pluses and minuses.
i want the squrt but it doesnt have a saw
I think Nick goes on and on too much about the supposed defects of the Juice. I guess a locking blade is nice to have but on a small tool such as the juice something you can live without. I have used the saw on the Swiss Champ knife to good effect in camping and field work situations, and it is smaller than the saw on the Juice, so I would hardly consider the saw on the Juice as somehow substandard.
Good video as all ways nick
Im thinking about buying the PS4, have you a review on it?
+Spankplank I’ve got a P4 review, and the PS4 is just mildly less useful (at least, to somebody not enamored of scissors!)
Nick Shabazz I watched ur review on it and i really agreed! But Im not sure if maybe should go for a style PS, which has no blade and i guess can be used in public places. Here in Norway no dangerous tools are allowed outside of home, haha.
Try looking for the old-spec Squirt PS4s with torx pivots (if the tools confiscated at airports ends up in auctions). You can then remove the dangerous blade and replace that with some safer tools.
Your complaints (what's bad) is that it's not a Wave. Just saying.
i think its a bit unfair to compair the cs4 to the wave
Carter Why? Any comparison is fair so long as you balance out differences in cost.
in my opinion i think its totally fair, he mentioned how the cs4 is smaller and so therefore can be better for some people, but also mentioned how the price points are very similar and for a tiny bit extra you're getting what he believes is an overall better tool (as long as u can handle the extra size and weight)
hmm okay, well our opinions differ but that okay.i think a bit unfair because i think the cs4 is more meant for EDC and the wave more for outdoors stuf or something you put in your car. i carry the wave now since i lost my juice s2..and i hate it weight wise. anyhow nick nice vid..i thumbed it up !
Leatherman squirt ps4 is my favorite
You having to use another object to take the tools out is a very negative point imv
When will we see a Cutjack review?
I mean you have the unboxing video with the Lionsteel knife too, and a separate Lionsteel review, but no separate Cutjack review.
Samuel D Once I film it! Taking my time, as always.
That makes me anticipate it even more! lol
And the scales on only one side just looks bloody silly-like they couldn’t afford another scale
The unnecessarily shortened blade length irritates me.
Man... buy a Wingman. If all of your feedbacks were done, this MT would cost as much as a Wave.
13:50 🤣
Having a saw on this tool is absurd
I always saw this tool as made for fancy people who day hike with a bottle of wine... with that in mind the saw makes sense for harvesting marshmallow roasting sticks.
Why is the blade important carry a good knife along with it
Some people are looking to only carry one