I mean. I agree with Martin insofar as this is unlikely to be actually 5% of their miles. My instinct is to say "go rent a car for when you do this", but I'm not sure how expensive it is to rent a car that can do a water crossing, so iono. I agree with everyone saying that adding in charging capacity at your cabin might be the best option. That way, you only need to ultimately navigate the 150 miles to the nearest charger one way (uncertain how this plays with the 200 miles + 100 miles. That confused me). Doesn't even have to be that big, if you just trickle charge it while you're out there. If you're already doing phev and constantly hauling a ton out there, this feels like a surmountable logistical consideration
We tried six times renting a “Chevy Tahoe” or equivalent from two national chains that each have a small lot about a mile walk from our house. Had five fails, not something anyone wants to deal with the night before an off-grid family excursion. We had a FIAT 500e years ago. The “two weeks” of free car rentals from the local FCA dealer worked great. We simply borrowed a Ram 4x4 truck.
I'm with Martin, just get an old sh*tbox for the cabin. You don't want to take a shiny new car, EV or not, over those roads. Much better to use something that you can beat up without worrying about it. As a project I could see adding solar to the cabin, that's something you'd like to have anyway. When you do it make sure you have the capacity to handle an EV in the future. One more alternative, get a gas generator for the cabin, you can get a portable generator for under 1K. With a gas generator every EV becomes an EREV. A Rivian can make it up to the cabin easily and the generator can top it up so that it can make it back.
I would do an off grid solar set up personnally and charge off of solar and maybe put a propane generator on site and just charge it off of that if your solar isn't enough that weekend.... and then go Rivian or maybe a silverado EV and the dog just goes in a kennel in the bed.
@danb.2144 I guess, I thought it was getting away from everything, I suppose it depends on the reason, I guess I put electricity in the same category as a vehicle. I have hiked to an off grid cabin and that I could see your argument, but I'm not sure I do for one you drive to.
regarding the lease vs own chat we bought our '23 Q4 outright given we live in rural Western Canada with vast distances vs city driving now have 55k kms after 18 mths. as mentioned on the show last week we are looking at newer tech cars.......we'll see what depreciation there is that may sway us to keep the current EV
Actually, Dom mentioned it saying it might have a range way to close to needed to safely recommend it. He stated the road to cabin: mountainous 100 miles after those 200 on highways, the 10 miles off-road, fording water, then same vehicle needs to get back into civilization to get access to a charger since the cabin is off grid.
We tried renting a “Chevy Tahoe” or equivalent from two different national chains that have a small lot about a mile walk from our house. Had five fails, not something anyone wants to deal with the night before an off-grid family excursion. We had a FIAT 500e years ago. The “two weeks” of free car rentals from the local FCA dealer worked great. We simply borrowed a Ram 4x4 truck.
I don’t know if they are available in the USA but there are PHEV versions of the 3 row LR Defender and Discovery 5 in Europe. Defender has 90cm wading depth and Disco5 slightly less.
@@michalklucz6907 yeah, the JLR PHEVs were made for the London low emission zone AFAIK. not sure the numbers on the Defender, but the PHEV RR can go in the 50-60 mile range according to my local dealer who has sold a few, which isn't bad. but the Defender is a box on wheels so wouldn't be surprised if it's worse.
unfortunately, we don't do the PHEV Defender here. and it's too bad JLR doesn't do a PHEV Disco as I think it's the more practical of the two for most people. the PHEV's we do get from JLR in the Range Rover category are hard to get a hold of in the States. speaking of SUV/MPV's, the Lucid Gravity is still very much an unknown quantity in many aspects. not sure it's good to pump it up quite yet. might as well tout the upcoming Full Fat Range Rover EV too.
@@petehelme7714 They dont have Disco PHEV because their platform is flawed. Take a look on Def PHEV boot shape. If you are buying a Disco (in Europe) that means you have large family, a log of luggage and/or dogs. so you cant accept something that they made.this is a personal opinion but I think they have to find a new target for the Disco lineup because new Defender is canibalising the sales. Ivent met a single person who after checking Def and Disco would buy Diso. In the past there was a clear separation between those two. Right now Def can do everything that Disco was designed for, and has a desired shape and brand. You can be a soccer dad and still a cool guy. And anything from Range Rover is a different segment. like, if you wanted to buy a regular range rover (new) that means you can buy ANY car but you want Range. and with EV? that means you probably could have Rolls-Royce but you need to tow a horse trailer.
I mean. I agree with Martin insofar as this is unlikely to be actually 5% of their miles. My instinct is to say "go rent a car for when you do this", but I'm not sure how expensive it is to rent a car that can do a water crossing, so iono.
I agree with everyone saying that adding in charging capacity at your cabin might be the best option. That way, you only need to ultimately navigate the 150 miles to the nearest charger one way (uncertain how this plays with the 200 miles + 100 miles. That confused me). Doesn't even have to be that big, if you just trickle charge it while you're out there. If you're already doing phev and constantly hauling a ton out there, this feels like a surmountable logistical consideration
We tried six times renting a “Chevy Tahoe” or equivalent from two national chains that each have a small lot about a mile walk from our house. Had five fails, not something anyone wants to deal with the night before an off-grid family excursion. We had a FIAT 500e years ago. The “two weeks” of free car rentals from the local FCA dealer worked great. We simply borrowed a Ram 4x4 truck.
I'm with Martin, just get an old sh*tbox for the cabin. You don't want to take a shiny new car, EV or not, over those roads. Much better to use something that you can beat up without worrying about it. As a project I could see adding solar to the cabin, that's something you'd like to have anyway. When you do it make sure you have the capacity to handle an EV in the future. One more alternative, get a gas generator for the cabin, you can get a portable generator for under 1K. With a gas generator every EV becomes an EREV. A Rivian can make it up to the cabin easily and the generator can top it up so that it can make it back.
I would do an off grid solar set up personnally and charge off of solar and maybe put a propane generator on site and just charge it off of that if your solar isn't enough that weekend.... and then go Rivian or maybe a silverado EV and the dog just goes in a kennel in the bed.
True, but part of the beauty of the cabin is the lack of electricity.
@danb.2144 I guess, I thought it was getting away from everything, I suppose it depends on the reason, I guess I put electricity in the same category as a vehicle. I have hiked to an off grid cabin and that I could see your argument, but I'm not sure I do for one you drive to.
New scout announced today sounds perfect for that first person
Funny coincidence. The Scout with the EREV and front bench just might work.
regarding the lease vs own chat we bought our '23 Q4 outright given we live in rural Western Canada with vast distances vs city driving now have 55k kms after 18 mths. as mentioned on the show last week we are looking at newer tech cars.......we'll see what depreciation there is that may sway us to keep the current EV
I'm surprised no one said hummer ev for the family with the cabin. It might be a bit large in the city but with rear steer it should work.
Actually, Dom mentioned it saying it might have a range way to close to needed to safely recommend it.
He stated the road to cabin: mountainous 100 miles after those 200 on highways, the 10 miles off-road, fording water, then same vehicle needs to get back into civilization to get access to a charger since the cabin is off grid.
@@nevco8774 oh I totally missed that.
re: cabin trip - get an ev family hauler for in town and then RENT a gas vehicle for those rare cabin jaunts.
We tried renting a “Chevy Tahoe” or equivalent from two different national chains that have a small lot about a mile walk from our house. Had five fails, not something anyone wants to deal with the night before an off-grid family excursion. We had a FIAT 500e years ago. The “two weeks” of free car rentals from the local FCA dealer worked great. We simply borrowed a Ram 4x4 truck.
I don’t know if they are available in the USA but there are PHEV versions of the 3 row LR Defender and Discovery 5 in Europe. Defender has 90cm wading depth and Disco5 slightly less.
We have the three-row here, but it's not a plug-in hybrid.
thr only problem is nonexistent EV range. it was made PHEV for tax benefits not the use. And they are only 5 seaters (AFAIK) in PHEV versions.
@@michalklucz6907 yeah, the JLR PHEVs were made for the London low emission zone AFAIK. not sure the numbers on the Defender, but the PHEV RR can go in the 50-60 mile range according to my local dealer who has sold a few, which isn't bad. but the Defender is a box on wheels so wouldn't be surprised if it's worse.
unfortunately, we don't do the PHEV Defender here. and it's too bad JLR doesn't do a PHEV Disco as I think it's the more practical of the two for most people. the PHEV's we do get from JLR in the Range Rover category are hard to get a hold of in the States.
speaking of SUV/MPV's, the Lucid Gravity is still very much an unknown quantity in many aspects. not sure it's good to pump it up quite yet. might as well tout the upcoming Full Fat Range Rover EV too.
@@petehelme7714 They dont have Disco PHEV because their platform is flawed. Take a look on Def PHEV boot shape. If you are buying a Disco (in Europe) that means you have large family, a log of luggage and/or dogs. so you cant accept something that they made.this is a personal opinion but I think they have to find a new target for the Disco lineup because new Defender is canibalising the sales. Ivent met a single person who after checking Def and Disco would buy Diso. In the past there was a clear separation between those two. Right now Def can do everything that Disco was designed for, and has a desired shape and brand. You can be a soccer dad and still a cool guy. And anything from Range Rover is a different segment. like, if you wanted to buy a regular range rover (new) that means you can buy ANY car but you want Range. and with EV? that means you probably could have Rolls-Royce but you need to tow a horse trailer.
I’m anxious to get an EV convertible too. Maybe Mercedes or BMW will offer one soon.
There's at least one in China now. Might not be too much longer
@@Cyrribrae Great. I’ll never buy a Chinese EV.
@@johnpoldo8817 actually, technically, it's in the UK already be a UK brand that is now owned wholly by Chinese owners. But yea.
PLEASE, fix your AUDIO. One of you blows out my ears and the other is a whisper!
I totally agree! Martyn's audio is too weak and Dom's audio is extremely loud, so I constantly need to adjust the TV volume to keep it reasonable.
Tesla is untouchable. It could be 10k and no one should buy. Unfortunate for that 1st buyer
Where are the morals?