Great demonstration with a predictable outcome. Increased elevon response with increased pitch oscillations. Even in Manual it's exactly the same. Like I said, wrong wing section, insufficient wing sweep. You will notice when you flew INVERTED the oscllations disappeared even with high PIDS. The smoothness during inverted flight tells its own story. You did a great job of the Elevons and linkages...🤔😳🇬🇧🇬🇧😀
@@bluefish3607 Agreed, it's a way better airframe. Next time out, fly the AR Pro INVERTED for a prolonged distance. You will see far less pitching and oscillations...🤔😳
You've inspired me with my AR wing pro, I've used ripmax but covered the whole plane with it, balsa elevons were nice to make too. The FC cover you've designed tidies everything up perfectly.
Hi Douggie glad you found the FC cover useful. I have just put up a video showing how I made my balsa elevons with the stuff i learned from the test build and they worked out great. I wasn't sure to attempt to cover the fuselage, how difficult was it and did you use lots of smaller pieces?
@@bluefish3607 if only you made the video earlier I definitely could have done with the tips 🤣 I've posted it on FPV wings on Facebook and will on inav fixed wing group. The main body was quite easy, using one big piece I could cover one side then another for the other side. The heat meant I could manipulate it round the curves and corners and removed any wrinkles. I then had to put some small patches on areas that were too hard to get into like around the fpv camera bobble. I can send you some close up pictures to see, I think you'd love it.
Nice job Glenn :) I am building one at the moment and decided to put a layer of 75 mil laminate on each side of the foam elevons followed by a layer of 125 mil. I use 75 mil first, because it adapts perfectly to the surface and the 125 mil sticks perfectly on another layer of laminate. Using 125 mil directly on the foam doesn't work that well. As I will also laminate the rest of the wing there will be another layer of 75 mil on top an d bottom. With only the first layers the elevons turn out a lot stiffer than stock. Laminating over the hinges already worked nice on my HeeWing F01. That thing already took some serious beeting and still looks and works great as the skuffs disappear after going over them with an iron and the foam reexpanding in its foil shell. I am looking forward to see what you will come up with in the future.
Thanks for the info Bernhard I did an experiment and coated the front of the fuse with E6000 but not sure how well it will hold up. I think I will also try to lam the fuse or maybe just the hatches and the whole of the underside. The balsa elevons have worked great and I am making some more but a bit more carefully and accurately and another video showing my progress will be uploaded soon.
Great video series I love how precise and methodical you have taken this build. I gave up on my AR pro because I found it just loved to tip stall, in exactly the same manor you experienced in this crash. It’s just too heavy I think? Something I have never experienced with my c1 chaser which I believe to be a much better platform. Thanks
Glenn, Great stuff. Your original AR videos (and Lee's) got me interested in the AR Wing last year.. These new videos are getting me interested in flying my AR Wings again.. That, and I head into eye surgery next week for a detached retina and my right eye will be out of commission for a month or three. So, FPV might be my ticket back to flying since LOS would be too hard with one eye... Keep the new videos coming.. Glad you are uploading great content again. - Will
Hi Mick hope you are well. I am not doing any long range now so not flying the DXL. I just love the clarity of DJI digital which is helpful for my ageing eyes.
@@bluefish3607 I'm in the same boat too Glenn where the eyes are concerned 😆. Must admit, I had a few goes on a mates DJI kit recently with a few of his quads and it is tempting to make the cross over. The picture was like watching TV. Will say one thing though, I'm struggling to find a fuselage replacement for my XLe, there are spares about but not a fuselage. So I looked for the model again and it's pretty much out of stock these days sadly. There are bonuses to flying it where I do but she takes a battering every time landing around the gorse...
@@bluefish3607 personally to me the biggest benefit of laminated hinges is that you could and should do it while laminating the wing itself. With the same piece of laminate ! If you gonna add just a small piece of laminate ,just to hold tha elevon ,then it doesn't make that much sense IMHO
@@RS_ I agree I just watched a video where the techniques was to iron a strip of lam to the elevon, position the elevon at an agle to allow flex and iron onto the wing. This did not seem to be that great and I would prefer CA hinges to that. I intend to laminate the elevons in carbon fibre (Its an experiment for my fast Mini Drak build) so I don't want to cover them up with lam. I get why lamming the wing and elevon together would be super strong and neat.
@@bluefish3607 Using an iron on Film strip hinge as you described is an old school method we used on big 11 lb Aerobatic Models. It requires a bit of care to avoid overshrinking the hinge, but it's very secure and no air bleeds from upper surface to lower making response sharp. It's also very good for your servos as it's very free to move...
Love the R&D on this build I also laminated elevons to wing on another AR pro seems more effective and I also have same elevon servo horn setup on a DIY 3 d print stl works as good as the Readymade horns Take care
No going back now, balsa elevons all the way for me from now on! If you have any links to help me understand the technique for lamming the elevons please share please Rob. Those horns I used are really nice and super strong.
Great video and results. Was it the top or bottom prop you used after in the video. I also have a 8x6 prop in my ar pro. The same as the one on the top picture. Looks wider. Would the thinner bottom 1 be better and maybe faster? Also have the f90 1500kv motor. Thanks
Hi, yes the top one is the one I used and have ordered the bottom ones. No idea how the bottom one will perform yet they should be here in a few days. My friend runs the bottom one on his AR Pro with the same motor on 4S and it performs really well and he has no motor overheating issues so fingers crossed that should all be good.
@@bluefish3607 ok great. Hopefully you let us know or do a video on how the new prop gets on. Only flown mine a few times so really still in the first stages of the f90. May have to order the bottom prop like you and see how the vary. 👍🏻
Hi Steve, I personally use CHNL 5000 mah 4S as they allow me to hit perfect CG with my GoPro Hero 6 up front with no nose weight. I also fly quite throttle heavy and like the punch that lipo delivers. I can get 10-12 minutes of fast proximity flying from this pack. However if you take it easy and just cruise you can easily double that flight time if not a little more. Many pilots use lion packs especially for long range and long flight times and flight times of 40 mins plus is easily achievable. So it depends what type of flying you want to do. I am finding it quite hard to get hold of new lipos at the moment CHNL have been out of stock for some time and many suppliers wont ship lipos internationally.
I will just take it carefully at first Jake and see how it fairs. I did really like my orginal setup of Brotherhobby Reunion 2318 1250KV with 9x5 Aeronaut prop. I might fit one of the builds with that combo again.
The top one I used was an Electric prop the lower one my friend uses on his AR Pro is designed for IC planes. His plane has no issues using that prop and seems to perform well I will be interested to see for myself when they arrive.
Hi mate. I asked about the prop the other day. The wide one and thin one. I also see you changed your pids. I have never changed pids before and don’t have to much of an idea about them. Would you suggest I change my pids to your new ones on my ar wing pro. Just has the f90 motor but has same wider prop. So should fly pretty much the same. Thanks Terry
Hi Terry there is so much that affects the PID settings on a wing and how it flies so I would not advise using my settings. I needed to lower my pitch and roll settings because the new balsa elevons have less flex and inav does not have to make so many corrections and those settings were done with the flexy stock foam elevons. The weight of the plane, the number of lipo cells, KV of motor, prop size and type, CG balance, rigidity of elevons even air temp, density and wind speed are all factors to a greater or lesser extent. If you have a stock Ar Pro and are running iNav 5.1 then the stock settings with and Autotrim, Autolevel and Autotune should yield pretty good results. Once you have the plane flying straight and level at say 50% throttle then try and keep those elevon positions with 1500 settings in inav. That way inav won't have to workso hard and you will have a plane that flies well in manual mode. I hope that helps.
@@bluefish3607 ok thank you. That does help. Just 1 other thing, sorry. When I perform a autotune, does that change the pids also. Or do they stay the same once an autotune has been done. Thanks again
@@ttucker2073 Autotune on inav 5.1 only changes feed forward and rates it does not change PIDS. Fly activate autotune do plenty of manoeuvres rolls banked turns etc. Switch off autotune before you land and the save the values.
@@bluefish3607 thanks for your help. Appreciate it. I’m on 4.1. So when I do a good autotune, will it save automatically when I land and disarm. Or do I have to bring both sticks down and out, or in. Can’t remember which way. Also is that before or after I disarm. As said, I’m on 4.1, so it may save itself once I disarm. Thanks
Great demonstration with a predictable outcome. Increased elevon response with increased pitch oscillations. Even in Manual it's exactly the same. Like I said, wrong wing section, insufficient wing sweep. You will notice when you flew INVERTED the oscllations disappeared even with high PIDS. The smoothness during inverted flight tells its own story. You did a great job of the Elevons and linkages...🤔😳🇬🇧🇬🇧😀
It definitely felt better in the air but I know the AR Wing will never be that great, hoping my Mini Drak will hit the sweet spot.
@@bluefish3607 Agreed, it's a way better airframe. Next time out, fly the AR Pro INVERTED for a prolonged distance. You will see far less pitching and oscillations...🤔😳
i've only flown quads, but this has made me want one of those so bad. looks incredible!
I moved from quads to wings 4 years ago and dont fly quads anymore apart from my DJI mini for filming. Go for it they are a lot of fun. 😀
You've inspired me with my AR wing pro, I've used ripmax but covered the whole plane with it, balsa elevons were nice to make too.
The FC cover you've designed tidies everything up perfectly.
Hi Douggie glad you found the FC cover useful. I have just put up a video showing how I made my balsa elevons with the stuff i learned from the test build and they worked out great.
I wasn't sure to attempt to cover the fuselage, how difficult was it and did you use lots of smaller pieces?
@@bluefish3607 if only you made the video earlier I definitely could have done with the tips 🤣 I've posted it on FPV wings on Facebook and will on inav fixed wing group.
The main body was quite easy, using one big piece I could cover one side then another for the other side. The heat meant I could manipulate it round the curves and corners and removed any wrinkles. I then had to put some small patches on areas that were too hard to get into like around the fpv camera bobble.
I can send you some close up pictures to see, I think you'd love it.
Nice job Glenn :) I am building one at the moment and decided to put a layer of 75 mil laminate on each side of the foam elevons followed by a layer of 125 mil. I use 75 mil first, because it adapts perfectly to the surface and the 125 mil sticks perfectly on another layer of laminate. Using 125 mil directly on the foam doesn't work that well. As I will also laminate the rest of the wing there will be another layer of 75 mil on top an d bottom. With only the first layers the elevons turn out a lot stiffer than stock. Laminating over the hinges already worked nice on my HeeWing F01. That thing already took some serious beeting and still looks and works great as the skuffs disappear after going over them with an iron and the foam reexpanding in its foil shell. I am looking forward to see what you will come up with in the future.
Thanks for the info Bernhard I did an experiment and coated the front of the fuse with E6000 but not sure how well it will hold up. I think I will also try to lam the fuse or maybe just the hatches and the whole of the underside. The balsa elevons have worked great and I am making some more but a bit more carefully and accurately and another video showing my progress will be uploaded soon.
Great video series I love how precise and methodical you have taken this build. I gave up on my AR pro because I found it just loved to tip stall, in exactly the same manor you experienced in this crash. It’s just too heavy I think? Something I have never experienced with my c1 chaser which I believe to be a much better platform. Thanks
Glenn, Great stuff. Your original AR videos (and Lee's) got me interested in the AR Wing last year.. These new videos are getting me interested in flying my AR Wings again.. That, and I head into eye surgery next week for a detached retina and my right eye will be out of commission for a month or three. So, FPV might be my ticket back to flying since LOS would be too hard with one eye... Keep the new videos coming.. Glad you are uploading great content again. - Will
Hi Will, glad you are enjoying the vids and best wishes for the eye op. Get that AR Pro up buddy :-)
Another great video there Glenn. Thanks for that. I think my next model onwards from the Xle might just be AR Wing Pro. Cheers Mick.
Hi Mick hope you are well. I am not doing any long range now so not flying the DXL. I just love the clarity of DJI digital which is helpful for my ageing eyes.
@@bluefish3607 I'm in the same boat too Glenn where the eyes are concerned 😆. Must admit, I had a few goes on a mates DJI kit recently with a few of his quads and it is tempting to make the cross over. The picture was like watching TV. Will say one thing though, I'm struggling to find a fuselage replacement for my XLe, there are spares about but not a fuselage. So I looked for the model again and it's pretty much out of stock these days sadly. There are bonuses to flying it where I do but she takes a battering every time landing around the gorse...
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Thanks, Happy Flying
Definately try laminated hinges! They are super solid and the best looking hinges. You will like it :)
Thanks for the tip! I will do a test one and see how I get on and how it looks. I have to say though those CA Hinges are rock solid.
@@bluefish3607 personally to me the biggest benefit of laminated hinges is that you could and should do it while laminating the wing itself. With the same piece of laminate ! If you gonna add just a small piece of laminate ,just to hold tha elevon ,then it doesn't make that much sense IMHO
@@RS_ I agree I just watched a video where the techniques was to iron a strip of lam to the elevon, position the elevon at an agle to allow flex and iron onto the wing. This did not seem to be that great and I would prefer CA hinges to that.
I intend to laminate the elevons in carbon fibre (Its an experiment for my fast Mini Drak build) so I don't want to cover them up with lam.
I get why lamming the wing and elevon together would be super strong and neat.
@@bluefish3607 Using an iron on Film strip hinge as you described is an old school method we used on big 11 lb Aerobatic Models. It requires a bit of care to avoid overshrinking the hinge, but it's very secure and no air bleeds from upper surface to lower making response sharp. It's also very good for your servos as it's very free to move...
Comprehensive video, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Nice!!! That's why I choose the 1250Kv Sunnysky 2216 motor with an 8x6 :)
is it an APC Caroline? If so which variant?
@@bluefish3607 yes APC 8x6e the wide version that killed your motor. Not ever had a motor complain :)
@@Caroline_Tyler Mmmm I must remeber that there is more than 1000 & 2000 on the throttle stick :-)
@@bluefish3607 I so rarely go full open bore when flying, 40-70% is my happy place.
Yeah, i think the APC "sport" props are the better choice. APC-e seems to be better for slower kv motors.
Hi, Jan that is the second one I burned out so should have realised sooner that there was some kind of an issue, I blame Marc, obviously :-)
Love the R&D on this build I also laminated elevons to wing on another AR pro seems more effective and I also have same elevon servo horn setup on a DIY 3 d print stl works as good as the Readymade horns
Take care
No going back now, balsa elevons all the way for me from now on! If you have any links to help me understand the technique for lamming the elevons please share please Rob. Those horns I used are really nice and super strong.
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Seras muy bien venido cuando llegues a España!
Gracias. Espero conducir desde Calais a la casa de mis amigos cerca de Alicante en noviembre.
@@bluefish3607 yo soy d Galicia, está más al noroeste de España, espero que subas algún vídeo de algún vuelo bonito!
Здравствуйте! Хорошая работа. Какие значения rate ? Какие значения expo roll & pitch? Спасибо
Great video and results. Was it the top or bottom prop you used after in the video. I also have a 8x6 prop in my ar pro. The same as the one on the top picture. Looks wider. Would the thinner bottom 1 be better and maybe faster? Also have the f90 1500kv motor. Thanks
Hi, yes the top one is the one I used and have ordered the bottom ones. No idea how the bottom one will perform yet they should be here in a few days. My friend runs the bottom one on his AR Pro with the same motor on 4S and it performs really well and he has no motor overheating issues so fingers crossed that should all be good.
@@bluefish3607 ok great. Hopefully you let us know or do a video on how the new prop gets on. Only flown mine a few times so really still in the first stages of the f90. May have to order the bottom prop like you and see how the vary. 👍🏻
awesome videos thank you, what would you say is the best battery sizes in terms of mah with this wing, i prefer longer flying. thanks steve
Hi Steve, I personally use CHNL 5000 mah 4S as they allow me to hit perfect CG with my GoPro Hero 6 up front with no nose weight. I also fly quite throttle heavy and like the punch that lipo delivers. I can get 10-12 minutes of fast proximity flying from this pack. However if you take it easy and just cruise you can easily double that flight time if not a little more.
Many pilots use lion packs especially for long range and long flight times and flight times of 40 mins plus is easily achievable.
So it depends what type of flying you want to do. I am finding it quite hard to get hold of new lipos at the moment CHNL have been out of stock for some time and many suppliers wont ship lipos internationally.
Hi Glenn. Did you get and test the new prop yet mate.
Yesterday vid going up this weekend.
@@bluefish3607 great mate. Will be looking forward to the outcome and the results. 👍🏻
Still reckon you could burn your motor again with that combo. Don't take any notice of @EnglishTubines, he knows nowt! (Just kiddin 😄)
I will just take it carefully at first Jake and see how it fairs. I did really like my orginal setup of Brotherhobby Reunion 2318 1250KV with 9x5 Aeronaut prop. I might fit one of the builds with that combo again.
I think the heavy bladed prop is an IC prop maybe..The lighter prop didn't look like a genuine APC prop either..😳😳😳😳😮🇬🇧
The top one I used was an Electric prop the lower one my friend uses on his AR Pro is designed for IC planes. His plane has no issues using that prop and seems to perform well I will be interested to see for myself when they arrive.
Hi mate. I asked about the prop the other day. The wide one and thin one. I also see you changed your pids. I have never changed pids before and don’t have to much of an idea about them. Would you suggest I change my pids to your new ones on my ar wing pro. Just has the f90 motor but has same wider prop. So should fly pretty much the same. Thanks Terry
Hi Terry there is so much that affects the PID settings on a wing and how it flies so I would not advise using my settings. I needed to lower my pitch and roll settings because the new balsa elevons have less flex and inav does not have to make so many corrections and those settings were done with the flexy stock foam elevons.
The weight of the plane, the number of lipo cells, KV of motor, prop size and type, CG balance, rigidity of elevons even air temp, density and wind speed are all factors to a greater or lesser extent.
If you have a stock Ar Pro and are running iNav 5.1 then the stock settings with and Autotrim, Autolevel and Autotune should yield pretty good results.
Once you have the plane flying straight and level at say 50% throttle then try and keep those elevon positions with 1500 settings in inav. That way inav won't have to workso hard and you will have a plane that flies well in manual mode.
I hope that helps.
@@bluefish3607 ok thank you. That does help. Just 1 other thing, sorry. When I perform a autotune, does that change the pids also. Or do they stay the same once an autotune has been done.
Thanks again
@@ttucker2073 Autotune on inav 5.1 only changes feed forward and rates it does not change PIDS. Fly activate autotune do plenty of manoeuvres rolls banked turns etc. Switch off autotune before you land and the save the values.
@@bluefish3607 thanks for your help. Appreciate it. I’m on 4.1. So when I do a good autotune, will it save automatically when I land and disarm. Or do I have to bring both sticks down and out, or in. Can’t remember which way. Also is that before or after I disarm. As said, I’m on 4.1, so it may save itself once I disarm.
Thanks
Hi Glenn, before you called Mark for advice, did you try Autotune and did it make an improvement?
Hi Larry, yes I did try Autotune but I believe it only changes the feed forward in version 5.1