The idea of a guy committing suicide to frame his girlfriend seemed super unrealistic to me until I remembered that I know multiple women whose exes threatened suicide when she attempted to dump them. One of them actually followed through.
People can be so, SO manipulative. It literally makes me so sick. When people do that - they KNOW what they’re doing. Often times, it’s those same types of people who won’t just kill themselves, but their partner. The whole “if I can’t have you, nobody can” bs.
At least 3 ex’s of mine pulled that shit. 🤦🏻♀️ One laid himself down in the middle of a busy street at night until I agreed to speak with him. It’s super healthy 👌🏼 Great way to attempt to maintain a relationship.
@@neveska7958 Mr Danny has told the police than Mr.Whistler has carried out experiments on him, trying to create a clone. These experiments succeeded and Mr.Whistler created a life like clone of Danny called ‘Callum’. Allegedly, he did this because he needed more scripts for his ever expanding social media career.
Under any other circumstance I'd be super incredulous about the "he killed himself to set her up" theory. The simplest solution is generally the most effective and all that. But when we're talking about the type of dude who would blackmail a woman into staying in a relationship with him, and especially one who would do that and *then* still describe himself as being smitten with her, as though he's really using this to fill an emotional intimacy void instead of just a power thing ... Yeah, I totally buy that that maladjusted drama queen pulled (edit: could have* pulled) a martyrdom revenge scheme lol.
@@sps6374 For sure, I don't think the melodramatic suicide theory is firmly factual, there's lots of evidence for poisoning. I just would usually be inclined to dismiss the melodramatic suicide idea out of hand, and this is a rare case where it seems like a solidly non-zero possibility. :P In retrospect, my last sentence in my comment should say "could have pulled" rather than just "pulled", so I'm gonna go ahead and edit that in. :)
I'm not usually one to victim blame but there is something DEFINITELY sus about a guy going "Oh, my love. I feel so bad after every time I see her (hint hint). If she were to poison me (hint hint) I would forgive her, for I truly loved her (hint hint)" and then dying of poisoning. I mean, what are the fucking odds?
Wow is you Edwardian or an historian? What year did first hear about her (woops), yeah you'd be dead and your great great great great grandkids would have their knockers in a twist. 1920's began 100 years ago.
Callum knows his days of freedom and sunlight are quickly coming to an end. who do you think cleans out Danny's buckets from the basement? Callum is quite literally 100% writing to save his life. Keep him in your prayers.
@@jasoncoward-aintscared For those day it was quite possible, plus also the fact this was a richer person being accused of killing poorer when the poorer had little to no rights at the time.
It is different than "not guilty", that is also a possible verdict. The significant difference is that with a not proven verdict you can be put on trial again if more evidence appears.
Basically, we think you did the crime, we just can't prove it to current legal standards, however don't think you're safe, we can always do this again!!
Today in Scottish Law ‘Not Proven’ doesn’t mean ‘Not Guilty’. Although historically it may be a similar verdict to not guilty, in the present day not proven is typically used by a jury when there is a belief that the defendant is guilty but the crown has not provided sufficient evidence. Brilliant piece of historical crime.
Is there any difference in sentencing or if it can be retried with more evidence? Like what are the ramifications for the accused party if they get a “not proven” instead of “not guilty”?
Hrm, if I remember the line from Arsenic and Old Lace correctly, "Well we put it in wine because it's less detectable, but when it's in tea it has a distinct odor!"
@@biffyqueenFrom Arsenic and Old Lace: Martha: For a gallon of elderberry wine, I take one teaspoon full of arsenic, then add half a teaspoon full of strychnine, and then just a pinch of cyanide.
fun fact: i posined myself with arsenic as a kid. my grandad used to be a miner and he had kept some arsenic (for some reason, i dont know why) but i used to collect rocks and not knowing what it was thought it was really pretty and put it in my pocket (he kept it in a little bundle with some tin and copper in his garden). i would take it out and play with it every now and then... the only thing is when i was that age i still sucked my thumb. Ended up nearly in hospital and out of school for weeks till my mum eventually found the arsenic and got rid of it 😂
It's actually not so easy to get poisoned by Arsen, you must be getting small amounts over longer period of time for it to be succesfull. More biologicaly active are usually compounds(the best are ich organic compounds) of arsen, lead or mercury. In purer forms it requires repeating contact with lead paint or with arsen in food of your wife. Congratulations to self poisoning, I believe it's equal to a degree in toxicology.
I think he killed himself for revenge. He was blackmailing her and the "murder" was so obviously her it just doesn't seem like it was her. At first, I thought she was completely guilty but then hearing that she bought the arsenic after he first was poisoned, he bought some the day he died, and that he'd had to of drank 10 cups of coffee in order to have that much in his system just leads me to believe he did it and tried to frame her, and that in the past he had stabbed himself after being thwarted by a woman.
I find it funny that back in these days, when they broke up with someone, they always asked for their letters back & someone always threatened to take the letters to the father.
This is because ladies were expected to remain untouched until marriage and the chances of marrying otherwise ( unless you were a wealthy widow ) were greatly reduced. Women could not own property, either, all that ( even the clothes they stood up in ) belonged to their father and was transferred to their husband apon marriage, so a woman needed a man for financial reasons. If her father died before her marriage his money would go to his son or nearest male relative, who could choose to leave her with nothing and turn her out of the family home, and her mother might also be treated this way. Therefore removing any sort of potential scandal was very important. Simon is right to make the revenge porn analogy, but now imagine someone has not only leaked explicit photos of you but that doing so would also cost you your job, home, any potential partner, and you get the picture.
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 I am actually aware of all those aspects, I love history & have been digging in the past with genealogy since 2003. Its just the fact that you couldnt get something back from someone now by asking. It was just a weird aspect of her asking for letters back when she gave them to someone, they are no longer hers. I have heard stories like these where the man does give them back, in a way it was such a polite time that mostly doesnt exist now.
@@Cheryl_Loves_Purple I agree that people in general were more polite then. I suppose it depends on how amicable the break up is nowadays. My ex fiance and I offered each other our rings back when we broke up, but ended up keeping them because each of us couldn't imagine offering the same rings to anyone else, but we discussed it and it was a joint decision.
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 When my sister & her ex husband split after about 25 years, while she wasnt home, he went into the house & took the title for her brand new custom mustang, forged her signature & put it into his friends name. She never got it back. He also drained their bank acct & their kids accounts, leaving her literally with nothing. He also kept putting her down as being responsible when he went to the dr & she kept getting the bills sent to her. It was a many year messy divorce. There are a few non petty people left out there but there are a whole lot of real pieces of work.
Ok, so… he stabbed himself before and lived. Here’s an idea (and I haven’t finished the episode yet so maybe it’s going to be listed). Maybe he just wanted to ALMOST kill himself again so that he could accuse her with the witness of the landlady to back him up. Then he got the amount wrong or the opium from the doctor made it worse and he actually died for realz this time. I like this idea because he’s dead and she’s free.
This is the only true crime show (that I know of) that doesn't over dramatize it. Plus the humor and commentary make it so much better!!! Not gonna unpack the fact I find humorous retellings of true crimes (usually involving murder) really fun.
Finding traces of arsenic in anything from the Victorian era is to be expected. It was in freaking everything. Pretty much anything green (paint, wallpaper, fabric, food coloring) contained arsenic and I know the heavy black dresses they wore in mourning were treated with it. It was literally in everything. I'm like 99% sure she was innocent.
Napoleon was discovered to have arsenic in his body. Some people believed that someone was poisoning him. It’s now believed Napoleon was poisoned by the green wallpaper in his bedroom.
Yep. A guest at Buckingham Palace was given a room that was decorated in a vibrant green and got sick from the arsenic, inconveniencing Queen Victoria. This is the point when Parliament decided to ban using arsenic in wallpaper. Not any of the many cases of illness and death out there, not all the toddlers who died from trying to eat poison wallpaper. Nope, the arsenic displeased the queen and it had to go.
Arsenic and lead were like the plastic of those days. Everywhere, dangerous to the environment and people and used way to long after knowing of the negative impact due to profit.
The sixth probably wasn't thinking life was so great either, to be honest. He was abusive, mean, ready to snap at any moment, a chronic philanderer, and he absolutely reeked due to his ongoing leg infection. They said they could smell him coming from several rooms away it was so bad. And this is the man who insisted you have sex with him constantly to give him more heirs. And if you couldn't, he'd find a reason to execute you. That sounds like hell. I imagine she was so relieved when he dropped dead.
Meh, it didn’t turn out too bad for the fourth one. She lived a long and seemingly happy life, outlived Henry and two of his kids, had a generous state pension and could remarry if she wished to. But the past is still the worst
@@TheCasualCriminalist I tried to order an ordinary black coffee from Starbucks several years ago. First, they didn't know what the hell I was asking for as I didn't want 13 additives. And second, when I finally got the coffee it was the worst crap imaginable beat out only be instant Nescafe. Seriously, it's shite, Dude. Get some real coffee and use a percolator. None of that wimpy Keurig nonsense,.
@@ruralstar I went into a Starbucks and I asked for a black filter coffee. They gave me a black filter coffee. It was strong and delicious.Maybe American Starbucks is different or something.
I love how they were trying to charge her for arsenic poisoning when during the Victorian time arsenic was everwhere. It was even in the freaking wallpaper!
Wouldn’t it also make sense that the guy realized the letters weren’t enough, so he poisoned himself and then planned to come close to death and blame it on Madeline,
Or, he thought he could come close to death, she would be blamed & he could rescue her with his statements & she would love him again. If he regularly took arsenic, it would have taken larger doses to make him sick & he miscalculated the dose.
My first thought was to wonder whether he would have actually died if he hadn't been given opium on top of a stomachload of arsenic. If his plan had been to come close to death and pin it on her, his testimony would absolutely have been given serious weight
Eh well he DEFINITELY didnt kill himself...as for the revolving door of 14 year old eastern european runaway orphans? How are we so sure all of them are to be accounted for? He had his own island...helicopter and plane and was friends with royalty. I'd bet he DID kill at least a few and disposed of them with little problems.
I mean, there comes a point where you seriously have to wonder: how in the bloody hell does he record so much content? It is becoming more feasible that he is a genius robot from the future. Allegedly.
My great grandparents fled Scotland ti NZ for having a child out of wedlock. At the turn of the 1900s. And the behavior of the courts is remarkably similar to victim shaming today
I think Pierre was a gaslighting, emotionally abusive, and verging on stalker-like Andouille It’s been theorized that. While I can see it either way, I wouldn’t blame her at ALL if she HAD killed him. She obviously was haunted by it, and already had a lot going on. May she Rest In Peace, God
She tried to break up with him and he blackmailed her into continuing a sexual relationship. Today we’d call that “rape.” She poisoned him on nights when he came over to force himself on her through use of threats and coercion. Sounds like self defense to me.
33:18 Cyanide can be released naturally from certain food and plants like lima beans, cassava and almonds. It can also be found in the pits of fruits like apricots, apples and peaches. It has been described as having a 'bitter' almond smell but not everyone can detect that nor does it always have that smell.
One day, in the distant future, someone will be presenting a video about 2020/2021 and they shall remark that “The past was the worst!” and they’ll be right! 😂
In my teens (a long time ago) a boyfriend threatened to show my parents nude photos he'd taken of me. My darling mother said that if he brought them to the house she would take them, not look, and then destroy them. I was then able to confidently call the bastard's bluff. My parents were the best.
As a person studying medicine my first thought was thats a lot of arsenic he's consuming over 3 encounters. The opium totes could have killed him. Depression of breathing and all that . 🤷♀️ who did it, methinks it was perrie
It's cyanide that tastes like bitter almonds. Apricot and apple seeds both have small amounts of cyanide in them along with cherry bark. Wild almonds are still full of cyanide, but we managed to breed most of the toxins out of domesticated ones. NPR did a story on the domestication of almonds.
And foul milk can be treated with Bromide to make it smell good, never mind that it doesn't kill the bacteria! Childhood mortality in Victorian Britain is now reckoned to have been at such catastrophic rates because of disguised rotten milk. Dontcha love Victorian science! The thing is that these were readily accepted and commonly used approaches. It makes you wonder how many absolutes of science we now claim for ourselves which future generations will look back on and shake their heads in despair. Now where dod I put that Laudenum, I have a headache!
@@billtr96sn the reason is due to some pretty bad health risks with overuse in aspirin, which is why children no longer take it. It's also a blood-thinner so it can worsen some issues without you knowing. And penicillin isn't the reason for super bugs, it's two main things that caused it: hyper-sanitization and people not following medication directions. We used to be super gross, right? Well now the pendulum swung to the direct opposite, where people for years have been using hand sanitizer hundreds of times a day, including children. Everything must be sanitized and wiped down, no one can have dirt on their hands, and a lot of people are getting temporary dermatitis because of the destruction of their natural bacterial flora on their hands. This is creating a bacteria that will be resistant to these cleaners from how often it's being used. Patients are stupid and always think they know better than their doctors. So, when given an antibiotic and told to "take it until the bottle is empty", the patient will ignore them and simply stop taking the antibiotics when they feel better. If not that, they'll keep themselves on antibiotics constantly thinking it keeps them healthy, not knowing they're destroying the bacteria inside their intestines and it causes diarrhea, meaning they can't digest properly. This causes bugs to develop immunity to these medications. What you might've been thinking of in terms of penicillin is the gram-negative bacteria we have to deal with. Those are extremely hard to treat as most bacteria is gram-positive, which penicillin treats. Only a few things treat gram-negative bacteria, and not all of them react to it. There's not a lot of those forms of bacteria out there, but they're getting harder to treat.
As a longtime watcher of Simon Whistler videos, I want to say that while his mispronunciations of many foreign (to him) words & even some commonplace (to some of us) English words, is always funny. Meant in a totally non condicending way. It's endearing & relateable. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the way he says "Murder, Bellend, & Empire." Probably the three words he says the most.
When you were describing the balcony, I had the picture in my mind of the balcony that "The Royals" have when they parade every newly married couple and their respective babies out on the balcony of the palace. I absolutely LOVE the way you say murder. Muhrdah!!
Arsenic has a very bitter taste, so you'd definitely taste it. Check the Mary Blandy case. Also, bonus fact: King George the third was given arsenic to try and cure his insanity by his doctors. Spoiler alert: it didn't work.
My theory is. He started keeping the diary after she tried to break things off. He then did the only thing he could think of to be able to keep her considering they couldn't marry under the current circumstances. He started to poison himself in light doses to set the stage. Then poisoned himself a bit more when he had everything set. He accidentally poisoned himself too much. He planned to have the Dr called and the letters and diary be "Discovered" . That would in turn cause her to be the suspect in his attempted murder and cause her to loose her status. In his mind he could then sweep in and take her away to be his wife after she lost her social status. Destroy her to get her...
Eh, no sympathy for Pierre. He was basically blackmailing her into a relationship and there for un-consensual relations or choosing a life branded as a harlot. Life as a known harlot would've meant no one would hire her, no one would marry her, and unless her family let her stay with them, she'd be homeless. All because some dude couldn't stand rejection. Sure, she shouldn't have killed him. Should've quietly gone to dad and confessed and let him figure sh*t out, but Pierre done f*cked up and was a douche.
It’s cyanide apparently it makes your breath smell like almonds. When a person goes into ketoacidosis (diabetic people can get it if their insuline is wonky) their breath smell like pear drops I’ve only seen it once but I can confirm it does smell like pear drops.
Bitter almonds that contain cyanide are a different variety from the “sweet” almond we eat. Arsenic is a “heavy metal.” I dislike Starbucks coffee because I can taste the bitterness. Not everyone can. It’s genetic. I also find vegetables bitter as well.
Yes! And ironically, William Morris was best known for this! There are all kinds of articles talking about how much he used it, how he was a driving force behind it's popularity, and how he didn't believe in its poisonous effects!
If she did do it I’m honestly glad she got away with it, she was gonna suffer way worse than him because ~the past was the worst~ and she truly had no choice if he was gonna be like that. She was driven to it, it’s not like she was gonna do it again
"Victorians didn't speak about sex" ... the first pornographic movies and photographs were done and sold in the Victorian era. Written Victorian porn did include a lot of kinky stuff, too - some would even be considered 'too much' today. Victorian didn't discuss sex in public, but they sure as hell wrote about it, made photographs of it, and did the first short movies on it.
I am now subscribed to all of your channels! Wow, you must never get a break! But you’re brilliant and I am happy that you are sharing your videos with me.
Callum gives me hope. I scroll through upwork thinking, nah, no ones going to want your writing style infused with side comments and humour. And then Callum just is brilliant and makes it work so well.
OMG, Simon, you shoul definitely do The Casual Bible channel with Callum retelling scripture in modern language with your commentary. I would so watch that!
The idea of a guy committing suicide to frame his girlfriend seemed super unrealistic to me until I remembered that I know multiple women whose exes threatened suicide when she attempted to dump them. One of them actually followed through.
damn she must have been hot as fuck
@@milliondollarmistake My thoughts, exactly.
People can be so, SO manipulative. It literally makes me so sick. When people do that - they KNOW what they’re doing. Often times, it’s those same types of people who won’t just kill themselves, but their partner. The whole “if I can’t have you, nobody can” bs.
At least 3 ex’s of mine pulled that shit. 🤦🏻♀️ One laid himself down in the middle of a busy street at night until I agreed to speak with him. It’s super healthy 👌🏼 Great way to attempt to maintain a relationship.
Oh that’s super common. I’ve known men and women who threatened. As far as I know, no actual attempts, but who knows.
I can't wait for the episode on "British expat arrested in Prague, accused of keeping multiple people in basement to write TH-cam scripts."
The BBC has interviewed one ‘Danny’ who had been held captive by Mr.Whistler.
“Danny” states he was also held with another man referred to as “Callum”
shit
@@neveska7958 Mr Danny has told the police than Mr.Whistler has carried out experiments on him, trying to create a clone. These experiments succeeded and Mr.Whistler created a life like clone of Danny called ‘Callum’. Allegedly, he did this because he needed more scripts for his ever expanding social media career.
I just wonder how many radiators are in his basement, given his staff of writers.
Under any other circumstance I'd be super incredulous about the "he killed himself to set her up" theory. The simplest solution is generally the most effective and all that. But when we're talking about the type of dude who would blackmail a woman into staying in a relationship with him, and especially one who would do that and *then* still describe himself as being smitten with her, as though he's really using this to fill an emotional intimacy void instead of just a power thing ... Yeah, I totally buy that that maladjusted drama queen pulled (edit: could have* pulled) a martyrdom revenge scheme lol.
What about the signed retailers’ record books and testimonies though ?
@@sps6374 For sure, I don't think the melodramatic suicide theory is firmly factual, there's lots of evidence for poisoning. I just would usually be inclined to dismiss the melodramatic suicide idea out of hand, and this is a rare case where it seems like a solidly non-zero possibility. :P In retrospect, my last sentence in my comment should say "could have pulled" rather than just "pulled", so I'm gonna go ahead and edit that in. :)
"When you remove the impossible whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth".
He had no way to win this and he knew it. The best he could manage was to make her loose too.
Plus it said he had stabbed himself before when rejected.
I'm not usually one to victim blame but there is something DEFINITELY sus about a guy going "Oh, my love. I feel so bad after every time I see her (hint hint). If she were to poison me (hint hint) I would forgive her, for I truly loved her (hint hint)" and then dying of poisoning. I mean, what are the fucking odds?
As a Glaswegian, I’m shocked that *unmarried cuddling* has been taking place in the city!
Oh please don’t mention such a thing, my corsets tightened involuntarily at the words!
It still happens, there are underground, private clubs for it, and the more risque have ankle showing and fondling cubbys
Mearly 40 some years ago, Chinese lovers can't even hold hands in public.
T’aint right, t’aint fit, t’aint proper!
Wow is you Edwardian or an historian? What year did first hear about her (woops), yeah you'd be dead and your great great great great grandkids would have their knockers in a twist. 1920's began 100 years ago.
Man I love Callum's scripts
I agree
A proper wordsmith
Callum knows his days of freedom and sunlight are quickly coming to an end. who do you think cleans out Danny's buckets from the basement? Callum is quite literally 100% writing to save his life. Keep him in your prayers.
One wonders if Callum is the sole source of Simon's wit and wiles? Hmm? NAH!
Same!
The way you describe how the media tried to paint her as the devil, its pretty amazing she found herself in front of a reasonable thoughtful jury.
Daddy's money bought the best lawyer.
@Rusty Howe did he buy the jury, too.
@@jasoncoward-aintscared For those day it was quite possible, plus also the fact this was a richer person being accused of killing poorer when the poorer had little to no rights at the time.
Best lawyer in town, incredibly influential family while the victim is a nobody
The prosecution always has an unfair advantage, so it's still an achievement.
I read that "Not Proven" is a Scottish legal term for "Not Guilty and don't do it again".
Basically a cop out verdict
It is different than "not guilty", that is also a possible verdict. The significant difference is that with a not proven verdict you can be put on trial again if more evidence appears.
Basically, we think you did the crime, we just can't prove it to current legal standards, however don't think you're safe, we can always do this again!!
@@aibheissilva2461 ah, so double jeopardy
@@nlwilson4892that makes a lot of sense. And it sounds like a good thing to have!
Today in Scottish Law ‘Not Proven’ doesn’t mean ‘Not Guilty’. Although historically it may be a similar verdict to not guilty, in the present day not proven is typically used by a jury when there is a belief that the defendant is guilty but the crown has not provided sufficient evidence. Brilliant piece of historical crime.
Is there any difference in sentencing or if it can be retried with more evidence? Like what are the ramifications for the accused party if they get a “not proven” instead of “not guilty”?
It pretty much sounds like that’s exactly how it was used here. Thanks for the 100% completely unnecessary explanation.
I like these cases that arent popular. They are much more interesting.
Then there's a channel for you.
They Got Away With Murder. Just as good as this one.
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Most likely because as a true crime fan, you and I know all the popular ones. And constantly learn more.
I love the short episodes, too. They are so interesting.
Cyanide's the almond tasting one, arsenic has no taste or odor, which when combined with how easily one could acquire it, well......
Hrm, if I remember the line from Arsenic and Old Lace correctly, "Well we put it in wine because it's less detectable, but when it's in tea it has a distinct odor!"
@@biffyqueenFrom Arsenic and Old Lace: Martha: For a gallon of elderberry wine, I take one teaspoon full of arsenic, then add half a teaspoon full of strychnine, and then just a pinch of cyanide.
@@christyrowe4497 I love that movie
@@christyrowe4497 "One of our gentlemen even remarked how it had a nice kick."
"I imagine it would!"
@@PhoenyxAshe I love that movie as well. it is so over the top funy.
3:10 - Chapter 1 - The cast
7:00 - Chapter 2 - Their relationship
10:15 - Chapter 3 - The problem
13:05 - Chapter 4 - The death
17:15 - Chapter 5 - The arrest & trial
31:45 - Chapter 6 - Arguments in her favor
41:30 - Chapter 7 - Aftermath
45:35 - Dismembered appendices
fun fact: i posined myself with arsenic as a kid. my grandad used to be a miner and he had kept some arsenic (for some reason, i dont know why) but i used to collect rocks and not knowing what it was thought it was really pretty and put it in my pocket (he kept it in a little bundle with some tin and copper in his garden). i would take it out and play with it every now and then... the only thing is when i was that age i still sucked my thumb. Ended up nearly in hospital and out of school for weeks till my mum eventually found the arsenic and got rid of it 😂
Twist: your family was trying to poison you and changed their mind at the last minute and told you this tale 😂
... the past was the worst...
Ya know some guys just can't hold their arsenic...
It's actually not so easy to get poisoned by Arsen, you must be getting small amounts over longer period of time for it to be succesfull. More biologicaly active are usually compounds(the best are ich organic compounds) of arsen, lead or mercury. In purer forms it requires repeating contact with lead paint or with arsen in food of your wife.
Congratulations to self poisoning, I believe it's equal to a degree in toxicology.
It was in his garden? He probably used it to kill bugs.
How it started: Take arsenic to cure cancer
How it's going: Learn that arsenic is a carcinogen
Also, the first emperor of China allegedly took mercury to achieve immortality.
We've come a long way in our knowledge of chemistry.
I think he killed himself for revenge. He was blackmailing her and the "murder" was so obviously her it just doesn't seem like it was her. At first, I thought she was completely guilty but then hearing that she bought the arsenic after he first was poisoned, he bought some the day he died, and that he'd had to of drank 10 cups of coffee in order to have that much in his system just leads me to believe he did it and tried to frame her, and that in the past he had stabbed himself after being thwarted by a woman.
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Imagine someone "dishonoring" Simon's daughter and Simon challenging the offender to a fact duel to the death.
lmao
Topic: “Sportsballers”
Uh-oh, Simon.
They would die many times before Simon would runout of facts.
I love that callum and Danny go out of their way to tell an immersive story as well has facts.
I find it funny that back in these days, when they broke up with someone, they always asked for their letters back & someone always threatened to take the letters to the father.
This is because ladies were expected to remain untouched until marriage and the chances of marrying otherwise ( unless you were a wealthy widow ) were greatly reduced. Women could not own property, either, all that ( even the clothes they stood up in ) belonged to their father and was transferred to their husband apon marriage, so a woman needed a man for financial reasons. If her father died before her marriage his money would go to his son or nearest male relative, who could choose to leave her with nothing and turn her out of the family home, and her mother might also be treated this way. Therefore removing any sort of potential scandal was very important. Simon is right to make the revenge porn analogy, but now imagine someone has not only leaked explicit photos of you but that doing so would also cost you your job, home, any potential partner, and you get the picture.
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 I am actually aware of all those aspects, I love history & have been digging in the past with genealogy since 2003. Its just the fact that you couldnt get something back from someone now by asking. It was just a weird aspect of her asking for letters back when she gave them to someone, they are no longer hers. I have heard stories like these where the man does give them back, in a way it was such a polite time that mostly doesnt exist now.
@@Cheryl_Loves_Purple I agree that people in general were more polite then. I suppose it depends on how amicable the break up is nowadays. My ex fiance and I offered each other our rings back when we broke up, but ended up keeping them because each of us couldn't imagine offering the same rings to anyone else, but we discussed it and it was a joint decision.
@@cleoldbagtraallsorts3380 When my sister & her ex husband split after about 25 years, while she wasnt home, he went into the house & took the title for her brand new custom mustang, forged her signature & put it into his friends name. She never got it back. He also drained their bank acct & their kids accounts, leaving her literally with nothing. He also kept putting her down as being responsible when he went to the dr & she kept getting the bills sent to her. It was a many year messy divorce. There are a few non petty people left out there but there are a whole lot of real pieces of work.
@@Cheryl_Loves_Purple That is absolutely appalling! He should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
Simons greatest quotes; “The past was the worst.” And there’s another one about communism that I can’t remember
One of my favourite quotes that I’ve already used several times since hearing it on the podcast.
"COMMUNISM RULEZ"?
The absolute worst was the comunist past
I read your comment at the exact moment he said that.
My favorite is: "And so, he was a doctor who can't doctor, and she was a person who can't ...person?"
Ok, so… he stabbed himself before and lived. Here’s an idea (and I haven’t finished the episode yet so maybe it’s going to be listed). Maybe he just wanted to ALMOST kill himself again so that he could accuse her with the witness of the landlady to back him up. Then he got the amount wrong or the opium from the doctor made it worse and he actually died for realz this time. I like this idea because he’s dead and she’s free.
This is the only true crime show (that I know of) that doesn't over dramatize it.
Plus the humor and commentary make it so much better!!!
Not gonna unpack the fact I find humorous retellings of true crimes (usually involving murder) really fun.
Finding traces of arsenic in anything from the Victorian era is to be expected. It was in freaking everything. Pretty much anything green (paint, wallpaper, fabric, food coloring) contained arsenic and I know the heavy black dresses they wore in mourning were treated with it. It was literally in everything. I'm like 99% sure she was innocent.
Napoleon was discovered to have arsenic in his body. Some people believed that someone was poisoning him. It’s now believed Napoleon was poisoned by the green wallpaper in his bedroom.
Yep. A guest at Buckingham Palace was given a room that was decorated in a vibrant green and got sick from the arsenic, inconveniencing Queen Victoria.
This is the point when Parliament decided to ban using arsenic in wallpaper.
Not any of the many cases of illness and death out there, not all the toddlers who died from trying to eat poison wallpaper.
Nope, the arsenic displeased the queen and it had to go.
Arsenic and lead were like the plastic of those days. Everywhere, dangerous to the environment and people and used way to long after knowing of the negative impact due to profit.
Corpses would even absorb it from the ground that they were buried in and from the coffins that they were interred inside of 😳
I had woke up to no Simon vids and was like "well damn." But now my day is complete! Thanks Simon and Co. 🍻
No videos?? That's a rare day these days ;D
@@TheCasualCriminalist allegedly!
@@TheCasualCriminalist With 10 TH-cam channels, I'd have to agree.
I think Henry the Vlll's first five wives would agree, the past is the worst
I think they would have thought their present was the worst...
The sixth probably wasn't thinking life was so great either, to be honest. He was abusive, mean, ready to snap at any moment, a chronic philanderer, and he absolutely reeked due to his ongoing leg infection. They said they could smell him coming from several rooms away it was so bad. And this is the man who insisted you have sex with him constantly to give him more heirs. And if you couldn't, he'd find a reason to execute you. That sounds like hell. I imagine she was so relieved when he dropped dead.
Meh, it didn’t turn out too bad for the fourth one. She lived a long and seemingly happy life, outlived Henry and two of his kids, had a generous state pension and could remarry if she wished to. But the past is still the worst
"she is killing you Pierre, wake up!" cracked me up
What an insane twist. From clearly guilty to free on reasonable doubt even in today's thinking. This was a good episode
Not reasonable doubt, it was unproven, a Scots thing
@@billtr96sn Not Proven is basically we think you did it but can't prove it, so it is totally reasonable doubt by another name.
@@LB1973 It probably was the best possible verdict once the diary was excluded.
@@billtr96sn What do you think "reasonable doubt" means?
''I don't like that hipster coffee that doesn't really taste like coffee.''
Yeah, Simon, that's called Starbucks'. 🤣🤣
Starbucks tastes like coffee. I don't know what sort of coffee you are drinking.
Starbucks still sells coffee. Pretty good coffee. Their frappes and all that shit leaves something to be desired.
@@TheCasualCriminalist I tried to order an ordinary black coffee from Starbucks several years ago. First, they didn't know what the hell I was asking for as I didn't want 13 additives. And second, when I finally got the coffee it was the worst crap imaginable beat out only be instant Nescafe. Seriously, it's shite, Dude. Get some real coffee and use a percolator. None of that wimpy Keurig nonsense,.
@@ruralstar I went into a Starbucks and I asked for a black filter coffee. They gave me a black filter coffee. It was strong and delicious.Maybe American Starbucks is different or something.
@@TheCasualCriminalist Possibly. I don't drink coffee at all, but friends that do typically say it tastes "burnt".
I love how they were trying to charge her for arsenic poisoning when during the Victorian time arsenic was everwhere. It was even in the freaking wallpaper!
The dosage is probably much higher in the corpse than the normal levels
In the glue,paint,dirt,fuel,light. A plethora of stuff.
@@hkchan1339 Actually a lot of people died or got seriously ill from it being in the wallpaper.
Green wallpaper.
I love these long episodes! Simon, I could probably listen to you read a dictionary and be enthralled. 😂
I wanna see a Simon Gogglebox 😂 "wtf is this guy doing?!"
Wouldn’t it also make sense that the guy realized the letters weren’t enough, so he poisoned himself and then planned to come close to death and blame it on Madeline,
Or, he thought he could come close to death, she would be blamed & he could rescue her with his statements & she would love him again. If he regularly took arsenic, it would have taken larger doses to make him sick & he miscalculated the dose.
My first thought was to wonder whether he would have actually died if he hadn't been given opium on top of a stomachload of arsenic. If his plan had been to come close to death and pin it on her, his testimony would absolutely have been given serious weight
"Did epstein kill anyone"
No, not even himself
Allegedly
Nope he knew too much
@@Rick0430 I don’t think you’d even have to put allegedly in for that one 🤣
Eh well he DEFINITELY didnt kill himself...as for the revolving door of 14 year old eastern european runaway orphans? How are we so sure all of them are to be accounted for? He had his own island...helicopter and plane and was friends with royalty. I'd bet he DID kill at least a few and disposed of them with little problems.
@@Janellabelle psst. That wasn't the point I was trying to make
There should be a case about Simon killing my time because I have been watching too many videos throughout these channels.
Simon = smooth criminal 😎
@@DerptyDerptyDUM allegedly
I mean, there comes a point where you seriously have to wonder: how in the bloody hell does he record so much content?
It is becoming more feasible that he is a genius robot from the future. Allegedly.
I love you Simon, these episodes always come out during the slowest time of work when I am doing vegetable prep in the kitchen.
My great grandparents fled Scotland ti NZ for having a child out of wedlock. At the turn of the 1900s.
And the behavior of the courts is remarkably similar to victim shaming today
I think Pierre was a gaslighting, emotionally abusive, and verging on stalker-like Andouille It’s been theorized that. While I can see it either way, I wouldn’t blame her at ALL if she HAD killed him. She obviously was haunted by it, and already had a lot going on. May she Rest In Peace, God
She tried to break up with him and he blackmailed her into continuing a sexual relationship. Today we’d call that “rape.” She poisoned him on nights when he came over to force himself on her through use of threats and coercion. Sounds like self defense to me.
33:18 Cyanide can be released naturally from certain food and plants like lima beans, cassava and almonds. It can also be found in the pits of fruits like apricots, apples and peaches. It has been described as having a 'bitter' almond smell but not everyone can detect that nor does it always have that smell.
Callum is so genuinely relaxed and funny 😊
Callum is walking on eggshells. He knows all about Danny.
Yeah, and Simon's voice and tone delivers it perfectly 😁👍
One day, in the distant future, someone will be presenting a video about 2020/2021 and they shall remark that “The past was the worst!” and they’ll be right! 😂
It'll prolly be robo-simon, we know that man won't go down without telling every story ever lol
In my teens (a long time ago) a boyfriend threatened to show my parents nude photos he'd taken of me. My darling mother said that if he brought them to the house she would take them, not look, and then destroy them. I was then able to confidently call the bastard's bluff. My parents were the best.
Thank you for another case to ponder over. You my good man are my favorite presenter on youtube. Keep up the great work.
Can you ask Callum to do a video about you murdering all of my free time by cranking out all of this cracking content?
In defense of Callum, I listen to these while driving, so verdict of Not Proven.
"Mrs. Alice Gorton's Academy for Young Ladies."
Her husband sold fish sticks on the docks and later branched out into frozen foods.
🤣🤣🤣👌
Trust the Gorton’s fishermen
As a person studying medicine my first thought was thats a lot of arsenic he's consuming over 3 encounters.
The opium totes could have killed him. Depression of breathing and all that .
🤷♀️ who did it, methinks it was perrie
Well written, great research and excellent delivery as usual. Thanks.
Your reading of this and your comments were perfect, entertaining and hilarious!! Thanks!!
I hope you get rewarded for working so hard, love this channel and really admire your tenacity!
The more I hear of simons opinions the more I want to get a beer with him
I feel that. Any excuse for a beer ey? Cheers 🍺
This has to be my favourite episode so far; a historical story I'd never heard of, guessing along with Simon as he read the script!
It's cyanide that tastes like bitter almonds. Apricot and apple seeds both have small amounts of cyanide in them along with cherry bark. Wild almonds are still full of cyanide, but we managed to breed most of the toxins out of domesticated ones. NPR did a story on the domestication of almonds.
I get completely enthralled and binge watch/hear most of your channels. Thank you!
This is what I call a truly toxic relationship.
I start laughing out loud when listening to these documentaries. I love the history and presentation style! 🥳
In Mrs Beetons book of Household Management she states that "The amount of arsenic that covers a sixpenny piece is enough to tenderise an old bird"
And foul milk can be treated with Bromide to make it smell good, never mind that it doesn't kill the bacteria! Childhood mortality in Victorian Britain is now reckoned to have been at such catastrophic rates because of disguised rotten milk.
Dontcha love Victorian science! The thing is that these were readily accepted and commonly used approaches. It makes you wonder how many absolutes of science we now claim for ourselves which future generations will look back on and shake their heads in despair.
Now where dod I put that Laudenum, I have a headache!
@@HarryFlashmanVC aspirin for pain relief is out of favour, we've overused penicillin and have superbugs, werr heading that way.
@@billtr96sn the reason is due to some pretty bad health risks with overuse in aspirin, which is why children no longer take it. It's also a blood-thinner so it can worsen some issues without you knowing. And penicillin isn't the reason for super bugs, it's two main things that caused it: hyper-sanitization and people not following medication directions.
We used to be super gross, right? Well now the pendulum swung to the direct opposite, where people for years have been using hand sanitizer hundreds of times a day, including children. Everything must be sanitized and wiped down, no one can have dirt on their hands, and a lot of people are getting temporary dermatitis because of the destruction of their natural bacterial flora on their hands. This is creating a bacteria that will be resistant to these cleaners from how often it's being used.
Patients are stupid and always think they know better than their doctors. So, when given an antibiotic and told to "take it until the bottle is empty", the patient will ignore them and simply stop taking the antibiotics when they feel better. If not that, they'll keep themselves on antibiotics constantly thinking it keeps them healthy, not knowing they're destroying the bacteria inside their intestines and it causes diarrhea, meaning they can't digest properly. This causes bugs to develop immunity to these medications.
What you might've been thinking of in terms of penicillin is the gram-negative bacteria we have to deal with. Those are extremely hard to treat as most bacteria is gram-positive, which penicillin treats. Only a few things treat gram-negative bacteria, and not all of them react to it. There's not a lot of those forms of bacteria out there, but they're getting harder to treat.
This is my favourite channel, love Callum's quirky writing and love how Simon reads it out, perfect duo...keep up the good work guys 🤣❤️
I feel quite sorry for her. As Simon says - The past is the worst.
As a longtime watcher of Simon Whistler videos, I want to say that while his mispronunciations of many foreign (to him) words & even some commonplace (to some of us) English words, is always funny. Meant in a totally non condicending way. It's endearing & relateable.
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the way he says "Murder, Bellend, & Empire." Probably the three words he says the most.
Love these wonder if there will be one about Lord Lucan.
I’m so happy I found this channel. Absolutely great content!
“I have several TH-cam channels”. You don’t say?
'several' Understatement 😂. Modest Simon
Simon is TH-cam there is no room for anyone else...
"My tenant feels much better, I think he'll go for a walk now!"
"Shut up; he'll be stone dead in a moment."
When you were describing the balcony, I had the picture in my mind of the balcony that "The Royals" have when they parade every newly married couple and their respective babies out on the balcony of the palace. I absolutely LOVE the way you say murder. Muhrdah!!
Awesome true crime tale! I love Callum's impeccable research&writing, &your wonderful narrations Simon! Such a great team 💕
Lead was a cosmetic used to make white face creams, arsenic was commonly used to dye things green. Oh history, you so crazy.
They used arsenic (among many, many other things) for whitening as well.
This episode was spectacular! Many thanks to all involved.
I just found my new favorite Simon channel.
This channel deserves WAY more followers. Highlight of my week.
It’s my favourite of his channels already.
Le Me: Ooooh. I do like a good cup of cocoa!
Landlady: Honest doc, he's much better.
Doctor: He's dead.
"a time when showing a bit of ankle would cause a neighborhood scandal" KAROLINA ZEBROWSKA'S LATEST MYTHBUSTING VIDEO HAS ENTERED THE CHAT.
Lmao I had the same thoughts
😂
Yes! She's amazing. 💕
Meme Mom strikes again!
We also call them “Juliette balconies” in the states.
We call them french balcony in Sweden
@@oliverkarehag9883 We call them Swedish Balconies in Germany
@@billtr96sn that makes me feel somewhat fancy
I call them Il Duce balconies. Cause I’m edgy like that, lol...
Well... My name is Julliet (not a balcony, just happy to be 'famous)
I enjoyed your delivery of this video very much.
I was actually totally in the same boat as Simon. I started off thinking she was definitely guilty, then came around to maybe not.
“You’re being poisoned Pierre…immediately I know this…” Ugly laughing for days.
Arsenic has a very bitter taste, so you'd definitely taste it. Check the Mary Blandy case.
Also, bonus fact: King George the third was given arsenic to try and cure his insanity by his doctors. Spoiler alert: it didn't work.
It didn't work? Methinks he'd needed a larger dose.
Being in your company is always wonderful Mr. Whistler.
Because yet again there's no way to share thoughts via Spotify, let me just say that the Lake Bodom episode was the best yet
My theory is.
He started keeping the diary after she tried to break things off. He then did the only thing he could think of to be able to keep her considering they couldn't marry under the current circumstances. He started to poison himself in light doses to set the stage. Then poisoned himself a bit more when he had everything set. He accidentally poisoned himself too much. He planned to have the Dr called and the letters and diary be "Discovered" . That would in turn cause her to be the suspect in his attempted murder and cause her to loose her status. In his mind he could then sweep in and take her away to be his wife after she lost her social status. Destroy her to get her...
I love Callum's man crush on Simon. Lol.
I love how excited Simon is reading the script.
I feel as if I had lost my innocence after hearing your narrate her letters!
Eh, no sympathy for Pierre. He was basically blackmailing her into a relationship and there for un-consensual relations or choosing a life branded as a harlot. Life as a known harlot would've meant no one would hire her, no one would marry her, and unless her family let her stay with them, she'd be homeless. All because some dude couldn't stand rejection. Sure, she shouldn't have killed him. Should've quietly gone to dad and confessed and let him figure sh*t out, but Pierre done f*cked up and was a douche.
Simon be looking like "I don't know why people love hearing about things like this" 🤣🤣🤣
in Victorian England, arsenic was used for almost everything, paint, soap, wallpaper...
And also makeup, which was worn by all genders.
Speaking of poison, I'd be interested to see an episode about Aqua Tofana
Babish dishing out strange, dark, and mysterious content in story format and I'm here for it
It’s cyanide apparently it makes your breath smell like almonds. When a person goes into ketoacidosis (diabetic people can get it if their insuline is wonky) their breath smell like pear drops I’ve only seen it once but I can confirm it does smell like pear drops.
I absolutely love these videos. I was waiting so long for another full length episode.
Bitter almonds that contain cyanide are a different variety from the “sweet” almond we eat.
Arsenic is a “heavy metal.”
I dislike Starbucks coffee because I can taste the bitterness. Not everyone can. It’s genetic. I also find vegetables bitter as well.
I really liked this case. Props to callum for writing this story in such a gripping manner!
"Epstien didn't kill anyone " that includes himself
Bloody hell Simon, you are everywhere on youtube, good on you. Great job.
They used arsenic in wallpapers in Victorian era. It was a very popular color (Arsenic Green).
Yes! And ironically, William Morris was best known for this! There are all kinds of articles talking about how much he used it, how he was a driving force behind it's popularity, and how he didn't believe in its poisonous effects!
I started enjoying this ,as soon as you started! Thank You!
If she did do it I’m honestly glad she got away with it, she was gonna suffer way worse than him because ~the past was the worst~ and she truly had no choice if he was gonna be like that. She was driven to it, it’s not like she was gonna do it again
"Victorians didn't speak about sex" ... the first pornographic movies and photographs were done and sold in the Victorian era. Written Victorian porn did include a lot of kinky stuff, too - some would even be considered 'too much' today. Victorian didn't discuss sex in public, but they sure as hell wrote about it, made photographs of it, and did the first short movies on it.
The Casual Criminalist: where Simon explains the og legend jokes 😢
I am now subscribed to all of your channels! Wow, you must never get a break! But you’re brilliant and I am happy that you are sharing your videos with me.
Obligatory engagement comment. You're killing it, Simon and Callum. Pun intended.
I can listen/watch these over and over again
Callum gives me hope. I scroll through upwork thinking, nah, no ones going to want your writing style infused with side comments and humour. And then Callum just is brilliant and makes it work so well.
OMG, Simon, you shoul definitely do The Casual Bible channel with Callum retelling scripture in modern language with your commentary. I would so watch that!