As someone studying this piece right now, it's funny because all of the parts that sound difficult and showy actually fit in the hand quite nice whereas many of the lyrical and melodic parts that sound easier are far harder in my experience. Incredible work, regardless.
16:35 haha, idk why but when this moment hit and that chord in the bass clef played it sounded exactly like the windows XP error sound. i think it's the same notes
Wow, what an amazing piece. I discovered it by accident when TH-cam put it down the right-hand side when I was listening to the first movement of Tippett's 4th piano sonata.
Thank you for listening Timothy! Check out my channel for more sheet music videos, or if you liked this particular sonata you can also check out Vine's 2nd and 3rd piano sonata.
I discovered this music--this exact recording, in fact--on or shortly after a trip to Australia in 1992. It has been in heavy rotation in my CD player ever since. 14 years of enjoyment and still going strong. I have since seen it performed live, though not by Michael Kieran Harvey. Over the years, it seems this sonata has slowly gained a following and more and more people are playing it. There is something haunting and beautiful about it. Thanks for posting.
@@shnimmuc wanna give an actual reasoning, or do you normally just go around giving no actual arguments for insults? If so, you have a pretty vacuous stance as well.
Immensely effective and impressive piano writing. Waves of sound indeed ! And never sounding merely loud of noisy. Yes this must be one of the great piano sonatas of the 20th century (but there are a lot). The start of the second movement strongly reminds me of the second mvt of Ginastera's first sonata.
Oh God it's so nice to hear a 20th century piece that isn't a incoherent chromatic mess, stuck in the 19th century, or a neo-whatever work. I love this so much.
***** I've had long multipage rants/discussions, with fans and detractors on this one. Maybe I'll return to it another time. I've no desire to revisit it now. All I say is, I'm not saying he's bad at what he does, but for me, his music is one dimensional in terms of range of emotion and depth of expression. If you enjoy him though I'm not gonna hate:)
+toothless toe Check out his percussion ensemble pieces, they are the most easily digestible of his works. I also particularly like Dmaathen and Metastaseis.
Wow. Three minutes in and I'm hooked! Who said that "modern music" can't still have a distinctive voice, accessibility and entertain too? I'm so happy that there are composers who are able to break free, of academic composition, and speak in their own unique, refreshing voice; one doesn't have to sound like warmed-over Hindemith to sound modern.
Music doesn't have to 'sound modern'. Let's say a modern composer fully mastered the compositional style of Brahms and composed new works in that style. That'd be absolutely great!
I was not expecting much when I saw it was composed in 1990 but I was in for a surprise. I am not a fan of most "modern music" however this sonata was a lot more coherent (and sounded much better) than I expected. I'll have to keep this in mind, as I doubt this is the only exception.
Amazing! What a composer! How is it possible to reach him personally with a great tribute, a genuine honor? His music is beyond this planet, I'm in a state of shock
A truly oustanding piece from a totally and fully developed great composer, I was stunned by the conjuction of resources and styles from different times into one single and original approach, this is as hard jaw dropping as the first time I´ve listened to Godowsky´s Passacaglia
Normally can't follow or even claim to understand a lot of new music, but as mentioned in the explanation, this is immediately approachable and a breath of fresh air. Thanks for posting this.
Wow. Awesome piece. I'm not familiar with this guy at all, so this is a welcome discovery for me. Really loving some of those chords at the beginning and many of the rhythms are sublime. Sort of a missing link between the Impressionist composers and some of the more "out there", more atonal composers.
Awesome! Certainly one of my favourites from recent times... Would love to see more people compose like this in the future... This what I call Great innovation, in my opinion modern composers try very hard to go behind the boundaries and to experiment with sound and innovate, but in my opinion innovation's path is towards a more coherent structure with modern sounds, possibly what I think is the best path is implementing microtonal intervals and harmonies into something that doesn't have too much unjustified dissonance (tension that just sits there from the beggining to the end, for me clusters and heavy dissonance can be implemented very well into music, but it doesn't work very well if that's the music itself) or extended techniques... Would love to make music in that line of thought in the future!
I think the problem with talking about "best path" for music is a bit like saying to a scientist "the best path is to use a telescope." The scientist replies "but I am fascinated by the miniscule.. the microscope is my tool." Different creative people have a different focus upon what they are exploring. My hope is that music becomes more and more diverse, let there be a billion great composers in the future, all creating totally different possibiliies
I would hardly think that a path, among these, is microtonality. I would say that a possibile new frontier would be “ intonation “ a wider concept compared to microtonality. If composers want to apply harmonics principles (in wich I dont believe) to microtonality well I will have to prepare a very long coffe so that i can wait them with new ideas. Enlighten me microtonal geniuses... we both know you dont know what you are doing... intonation is a breakthru concept
Check out the Elliot Carter sonata -- also quite a major technical challenge -- after which this one is modeled. It would be interesting to hear if after hearing the Carter, the Vine does not sound a little behind the times and more safely 'conservative and rather dull.'
@@verslaflamme666 It sounds like Rachmaninoff rhythmically and musically. Just because the intonation is different doesn't mean that it no longer takes the style of someone else
Not normally into modern harmonies aligned with this style .. but I love the first movement. I find the rhythmic tweaking gives it a Steve reich phase feeling yet no alterations in accents are explicitly defined.
Michael Harvey must be an outstanding pianist to tackle this piece. I like it, but I don't think Carl Vine will ever have the pleasure that Mozart did when he heard folk whistling his music in the street!
I loved every note on this album. I think I bought it in the same year it came out. Then after 2-3 years I - stupidly - lent it to another music teacher. That was the end. I never saw the album again. (And, for those thinking that I should have given my copy of the album- it wasn't possible in those days for the average person. CD burners were not yet on the public market.)
I'm enjoying this, which is rare for newer works. This came after a piece by Leo Ornstein on my playlist-and I can hear some influence. Check out Ornstein if you aren't familiar.
Four minutes in, Konami must have hit me b/c it definitely sounded like a Konami-type Gradius boss like theme out of nowhere. Then at five and a half minutes, everything goes back to reality. This is the power of contemporary music.
I listened to this sonata in the nineties (radio transmission). Harvey played it in Poland Part 8:25 was very exciting for me. My classical hit until today. Thanks God for You Tube.
I see what you mean about "not some watery post-romantic musical doodle" - while elements can be found in the sonata which derice from the romantic and impressionist styles, this is music of steel and glass, not born out of a romantic or mystical view of nature. (It would be interesting to know what inspired the muisc, whether Vine did have any kind of picture or non-musical idea in mind when writing the music. Yet, at the same time, I can really enjoy a good "watery post-romantic musical doodle", too, and I don't feel any need to regard Vine's music of steel and glass as better than the post-romantic "doodle", or vice-versa (although I probably wouldn't use the term "doodle" unless I wanted to be derogatory about it).
Romantic as used by Vine here simply means anything generated by the whim of the performer. Glenn Gould for example is one such composer accused of "romantic" leanings. I am of the mind that a composer should not in any event desire to control the performance and be far more open to interpretation. This is a gorgeous composition that reeks of modernity and tradition and the composer is gracious in citing Carter as a heavy influence. Would that this composers Piano Concerti were of similar stature.
One of my favourite piano sonatas! One of my friends recently played this actually. I love this piece, and Vine's other piano music is excellent too. Do you have any scores of the symphonies by any chance? Especially nos. 1 and 4.2?
Bonjour , un grand merci pour la découverte de ce compositeur que je ne connaissait pas . Je vais essayer de le jouer bien que ce soit techniquement très difficile à mettre en place .
As someone studying this piece right now, it's funny because all of the parts that sound difficult and showy actually fit in the hand quite nice whereas many of the lyrical and melodic parts that sound easier are far harder in my experience. Incredible work, regardless.
interesting info, thanks!
hey do you think you can send a guy the score? pls
one day I will also practice it
@@vine2197 Glad you are supporting your wife’s work.
@@ilikeplayingffftonecluster851 ghê
Well organized sounds. Music.
lmao
Like a breath of fresh air, melodic patterns built in 4ths has such a 21st century sound.
Quite literally, feels like chewing breath mints..
Reminds me of Chick Corea
16:35 haha, idk why but when this moment hit and that chord in the bass clef played it sounded exactly like the windows XP error sound. i think it's the same notes
I hear it lol
loool it's not the same notes but it does sound like it
the actual sound would be (ascending) C-G-C not D-G-C
very valuable comment
Can’t unheard it now
someone here can explain the notes of volume up in windows 10?
Wow, what an amazing piece. I discovered it by accident when TH-cam put it down the right-hand side when I was listening to the first movement of Tippett's 4th piano sonata.
Thank you for listening Timothy! Check out my channel for more sheet music videos, or if you liked this particular sonata you can also check out Vine's 2nd and 3rd piano sonata.
I discovered this music--this exact recording, in fact--on or shortly after a trip to Australia in 1992. It has been in heavy rotation in my CD player ever since. 14 years of enjoyment and still going strong. I have since seen it performed live, though not by Michael Kieran Harvey. Over the years, it seems this sonata has slowly gained a following and more and more people are playing it. There is something haunting and beautiful about it. Thanks for posting.
I was lucky enough to see it performed live by MKH at a performance of the Sydney Dance Ensemble at the Sydney Opera House.
No one cares bud
@@loverlyme did he play it perfectly like in this recording? :O because no other version I have seen on youtube comes close to this level
@__414.88b_ zip it lil guy
@@__414.88b_ shut up
2:40-2:47 is cool as hell yo, dis my jam
same man. It be hella kewl.
yo man ;) myne ook
No it’s actually mine
I heard this in my car during a vancliburn.Ive never forgotten it over 30 years ago.I pulled over into publix parking lot transfixed .
A masterpiece of the contemporary era
I love that you included the score, because seeing this piece always makes it even more amazing. My favourite modern piano work, no question.
This sonata holds something mesmerizing within itself...
On first hearing, this already strikes me like a great piano sonata! Bravo for composer and performer.
Thank God for olla-vogala and Carl Vine. This has to be one of the greatest works for the piano ever written.
Nonsense
Extremely POWERFUL. And SCARY.
@Schwer Dunkel A brilliant reply, just like your your favorite composer. [vacuous]
@@shnimmuc it is tho
@@shnimmuc wanna give an actual reasoning, or do you normally just go around giving no actual arguments for insults? If so, you have a pretty vacuous stance as well.
I checked all 342 comments and everyone, including me, really likes this piece.
Immensely effective and impressive piano writing. Waves of sound indeed ! And never sounding merely loud of noisy. Yes this must be one of the great piano sonatas of the 20th century (but there are a lot). The start of the second movement strongly reminds me of the second mvt of Ginastera's first sonata.
back years later and it’s still a banger 🔥🔥🔥
This is beyond brilliant! I must perform this before I retire
6:20 beautifully groovy
4:53-5:26 sounds like nothing ive ever heard before, and that is a good thing.
Nikolai Kapustin! , you can find some relation there to that particular passage. Amazing piece although!! It droped my jaw!!
It’s actually similar to Kapustin, as the guy above said. I just discovered him 2 days ago, and his works are really great imo.
@Schuyler Bacn kif
@@yeetthebeet ok
@@stacia6678 oki
I'm probably insane for hearing this, but... Pomp and Circumstance: 15:52
Adrian Rumson or Yellow Submarine
ok maybe im insane too
Ok
This is a beautiful discovery!
The texture at 12:58 reminds me of Kapustin, and the section starting at 14:33 reminds me of Rautavaara...
Most of the second movement sounds like ginastera to me... especially the beginning compared to ginastera sonata 1 2nd movement
@@zachguo6372 also Elliot carter
This sonata is a culmination of early vine, carter, ginaestra, kapustin, rautavarra and modal extremity
Oh God it's so nice to hear a 20th century piece that isn't a incoherent chromatic mess, stuck in the 19th century, or a neo-whatever work. I love this so much.
My thoughts exactly. Modern sounding without some of the less than pleasant accretions of much of that music, while not being too stuck in the past.
*****
Depends on the accretions and who is accreting really. Stravinsky yes. Xenakis no.
*****
I've had long multipage rants/discussions, with fans and detractors on this one. Maybe I'll return to it another time. I've no desire to revisit it now. All I say is, I'm not saying he's bad at what he does, but for me, his music is one dimensional in terms of range of emotion and depth of expression. If you enjoy him though I'm not gonna hate:)
+toothless toe Check out his percussion ensemble pieces, they are the most easily digestible of his works. I also particularly like Dmaathen and Metastaseis.
Why would someone engage in "long multipage rants" about music they don't like? It's like you can't stand it when others like it.
10:35 to 11 is just amazingly genius
FABULOUS. I can't believe it's not no. 1 on TH-cam.
Wow. Three minutes in and I'm hooked! Who said that "modern music" can't still have a distinctive voice, accessibility and entertain too? I'm so happy that there are composers who are able to break free, of academic composition, and speak in their own unique, refreshing voice; one doesn't have to sound like warmed-over Hindemith to sound modern.
Music doesn't have to 'sound modern'. Let's say a modern composer fully mastered the compositional style of Brahms and composed new works in that style. That'd be absolutely great!
I was not expecting much when I saw it was composed in 1990 but I was in for a surprise. I am not a fan of most "modern music" however this sonata was a lot more coherent (and sounded much better) than I expected. I'll have to keep this in mind, as I doubt this is the only exception.
This is contemporary music.
@@segmentsAndCurves This is
What about the Barber Sonata
Or Prokofiev
Try Kapustin's Sonatas, especially No. 2, 6, or 12
Amazing! What a composer! How is it possible to reach him personally with a great tribute, a genuine honor? His music is beyond this planet, I'm in a state of shock
Superb music and deliciously presented..!!! Thanks for sharing!
this sonata is chill as hell
A truly oustanding piece from a totally and fully developed great composer, I was stunned by the conjuction of resources and styles from different times into one single and original approach, this is as hard jaw dropping as the first time I´ve listened to Godowsky´s Passacaglia
Normally can't follow or even claim to understand a lot of new music, but as mentioned in the explanation, this is immediately approachable and a breath of fresh air. Thanks for posting this.
8:23 doesn't it resembles Gamecube intro??
Nicola Feller a lot lol
:D :D :D :D
kinda reminds me of of the second movement of ginastera sonata 1
@@zachguo6372 yes I agree.
Yeah😂
This is definitely going to my favorites
Love it....so many brilliant pieces to discover here !
Really good piece. Tonal, interesting, unique.
Not so tonal. :D
The chords are very beautiful
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices It sounds completely tonal to me...
@@tarikeld11, In which key is it?
@@SpiritualPsychotherapyServices I don't think there's a center key, but most chords and sections are written in a key.
Un mio amico vuole a tutti i costi imparare questo pezzo... ascoltandolo capisco il perchè.. grazie per la pubblicazione
Wow. Awesome piece. I'm not familiar with this guy at all, so this is a welcome discovery for me. Really loving some of those chords at the beginning and many of the rhythms are sublime. Sort of a missing link between the Impressionist composers and some of the more "out there", more atonal composers.
Truly an incredible sonata
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I owe you my infinite gratitude for posting sheet music videos of pieces and composers that I never would have heard of otherwise!
One of the top 10 best piano songs ever written.
Thanks to the random dude blasting this in the bobst library, I have discovered yet another piece that I’m going to play on repeat for a while.
As a Hungarian, it is always nice to hear some Bartók references. :)
and Ligeti (the piano studies), I would say, and Debussy in some bits.
the last part sounds Hungarian
much like ligeti
AND gi nastera
A very powerful, interesting Piano Sonata. Thanks!
Dat Left hand Forearm cluster at 4:21 :O ninja technique
Definitely using some those chord voicings from 10:50 or so.
facinating work
challenging yet very compelling
beautiful, intersting work. Quite attractive for pianists.
Such a masterpiece....
Amazing pianist and very interesting piano work! Congrats to performer and composer!
6:22 makes me "cry" everytime damn :') so incredibly beautiful, even more in the context of other crazy passages in the song
Beautiful ❤
The "meno mosso" section that starts at bar 173 is unbelievably good maaan
Le deuxième mouvement est épatant, passionnant.
Awesome! Certainly one of my favourites from recent times... Would love to see more people compose like this in the future... This what I call Great innovation, in my opinion modern composers try very hard to go behind the boundaries and to experiment with sound and innovate, but in my opinion innovation's path is towards a more coherent structure with modern sounds, possibly what I think is the best path is implementing microtonal intervals and harmonies into something that doesn't have too much unjustified dissonance (tension that just sits there from the beggining to the end, for me clusters and heavy dissonance can be implemented very well into music, but it doesn't work very well if that's the music itself) or extended techniques... Would love to make music in that line of thought in the future!
I think the problem with talking about "best path" for music is a bit like saying to a scientist "the best path is to use a telescope." The scientist replies "but I am fascinated by the miniscule.. the microscope is my tool." Different creative people have a different focus upon what they are exploring. My hope is that music becomes more and more diverse, let there be a billion great composers in the future, all creating totally different possibiliies
I would hardly think that a path, among these, is microtonality. I would say that a possibile new frontier would be “ intonation “ a wider concept compared to microtonality. If composers want to apply harmonics principles (in wich I dont believe) to microtonality well I will have to prepare a very long coffe so that i can wait them with new ideas. Enlighten me microtonal geniuses... we both know you dont know what you are doing...
intonation is a breakthru concept
i could reccomend some music like that if you want
Great! Especially second movement))
I played this piece for my exam.. it's the most difficult modern piece I've ever played
Did you like the piece?
i'm playing it too, the second movement is very difficult, far more than the first one.
if you manage to get the correct rythm you will enjoy it a lot
"Difficulty" could be attributed also to the fact that you used a real piano this time....not the toy piano you're accustomed to. You're welcome
Then try to play Scheederhausen.
Check out the Elliot Carter sonata -- also quite a major technical challenge -- after which this one is modeled. It would be interesting to hear if after hearing the Carter, the Vine does not sound a little behind the times and more safely 'conservative and rather dull.'
First time to listen, and just... wow
14:32 I'd be honest, this does sound like boss music ;D
@Bacn no
Ok
Hell of a performance!
Nice piece! the second movement wants to remind me of Ginastera before it asserts is own identity.
Sounds similar to Rachmaninoff in a weird sense as well!
and even a Barber Sonata hiding in the background... (first movement)
@@peenut169 lmao what kind of Rach have u been listening to
@@verslaflamme666 It sounds like Rachmaninoff rhythmically and musically. Just because the intonation is different doesn't mean that it no longer takes the style of someone else
Not normally into modern harmonies aligned with this style .. but I love the first movement. I find the rhythmic tweaking gives it a Steve reich phase feeling yet no alterations in accents are explicitly defined.
Excellent. Magnifique @01:10
I like this better than Ravel’s Miroirs, very colorful piece.
I'm able to follow the score just by the rhythm but it is a great piece! Thanks olla-vogala!
Thanks SO much. This is piece is extraordinary!
Michael Harvey must be an outstanding pianist to tackle this piece. I like it, but I don't think Carl Vine will ever have the pleasure that Mozart did when he heard folk whistling his music in the street!
If Scriabin lived to be 75
If only
I loved every note on this album. I think I bought it in the same year it came out. Then after 2-3 years I - stupidly - lent it to another music teacher. That was the end. I never saw the album again. (And, for those thinking that I should have given my copy of the album- it wasn't possible in those days for the average person. CD burners were not yet on the public market.)
This has, unironically, a very pop sound on occasion.
It reminds me of Minecraft music.
And that's a good thing
Where do you hear this
3:59!
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If any of this sounds like pop, ive been hearing the wrong pop music for my entire life.
First time here! Great! Difficult piece! Amazing!
truly an epic banger
177 - modal passage very interesting. Like the early toccatas of Frescobaldi etc
WOOHOO Carl Vine!!
Medtnaculus libertyy
Great, really loved it. Thanks alot .
What an incredible piece! A masterpiece for piano! Yuja Wang is always up for a challenge; I wonder how she would react this tour de force?
I'm enjoying this, which is rare for newer works. This came after a piece by Leo Ornstein on my playlist-and I can hear some influence. Check out Ornstein if you aren't familiar.
Four minutes in, Konami must have hit me b/c it definitely sounded like a Konami-type Gradius boss like theme out of nowhere. Then at five and a half minutes, everything goes back to reality. This is the power of contemporary music.
It sounded a lot like the black tower theme from Pokemon Black 2 with the descending chords imo
You are talking about the section at 5:04, no?
Amazing work....
9:08 Carter Sonata
AWESOME! Thanks for posting this!
fricking awesome
Wonderful!!
I listened to this sonata in the nineties (radio transmission). Harvey played it in Poland
Part 8:25 was very exciting for me. My classical hit until today. Thanks God for You Tube.
Not sure what God has got to do with my effort to make this score video...
Yeah, let's give credit where credit is due
And let's sing, like a birds
A true modern work. Not some messy 12-tone whatever, nor some watery post-romantic musical doodle.
"some watery post-romantic musical doodle" - do you have an example of this? Asking earnestly
Closely resembles Babajanyan
I see what you mean about "not some watery post-romantic musical doodle" - while elements can be found in the sonata which derice from the romantic and impressionist styles, this is music of steel and glass, not born out of a romantic or mystical view of nature. (It would be interesting to know what inspired the muisc, whether Vine did have any kind of picture or non-musical idea in mind when writing the music.
Yet, at the same time, I can really enjoy a good "watery post-romantic musical doodle", too, and I don't feel any need to regard Vine's music of steel and glass as better than the post-romantic "doodle", or vice-versa (although I probably wouldn't use the term "doodle" unless I wanted to be derogatory about it).
@@maulcsim waiting for an example too
This is really good!
Romantic as used by Vine here simply means anything generated by the whim of the performer. Glenn Gould for example is one such composer accused of "romantic" leanings. I am of the mind that a composer should not in any event desire to control the performance and be far more open to interpretation. This is a gorgeous composition that reeks of modernity and tradition and the composer is gracious in citing Carter as a heavy influence. Would that this composers Piano Concerti were of similar stature.
Wow ! Excellent.
The second reminds me Ligeti's 13-th étude
thanks for this, I loved it instantly!!
@@PepekBezlepek Ligeti etudes?)
I find the first two pages the hardest so far in learning this piece because of the polyrhythms.
carl vine is the last great postmod composer probably
look to my sonata N2 please :) thanks
so awesome
please upload the second Vine sonata. I have the score (got it from scorser).
Epic!
Incredible
Sehr interessante!!! Respekt!!!!!
bravo
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One of my favourite piano sonatas! One of my friends recently played this actually. I love this piece, and Vine's other piano music is excellent too. Do you have any scores of the symphonies by any chance? Especially nos. 1 and 4.2?
+OrganisedSound No I'm sorry , I don't have them. Only his 3 pianos sonatas...
+olla-vogala If you are not familiar with Vine's first piano concerto you are missing out. It is brilliant - even more than this sonata.
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Thanks, I'll look it up!
Bonjour ,
un grand merci pour la découverte de ce compositeur que je ne connaissait pas . Je vais essayer de le jouer bien que ce soit techniquement très difficile à mettre en place .