Solis Hybrid Inverters - a 12 month review (and why I probably wouldn't get another one)

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  • @bbjunkie
    @bbjunkie ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hi Gordon, had my Solis inverter, (same version as yours) now for 2 years last December ref 06:20 battery charge not showing, the app my installer recommended was "Solis Home" which has always shown the battery SoC on the main page, along with how much power is being drawn from or charged to it. Have to agree though, my installer also promised the world but I guess they know that's how they get the orders - no comeback afterwards when it doesn't do it.

  • @kensteeplejack
    @kensteeplejack ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I think you summed it up very well. I had a DLS-L data logger, was granted the remote control, but to get it to work I had to change to a S2-WL-ST data logger. I found the app data is also not accurate, all the time. I have since been using the solax modbus integration in home assistant, which works very well.

    • @alienatedsec
      @alienatedsec ปีที่แล้ว

      The latest beta supports some reporting functions, so it will get more at some point.

  • @Simon_Rafferty
    @Simon_Rafferty ปีที่แล้ว +3

    To be fair though, all the inverters I looked at made promises about access & control which according to posts & videos turn out not to be as good as promised.
    I do have the remote access - and it's usable, but as you say not as good as it could be. You can set charge & discharge times & currents.
    I've had less luck with the SolisCloud API though. The HA integration seems to work - they're clearly more competent than me!
    I think I would buy the same inverter again (a 5kW Hybrid) - it's very simple to setup & use. Probably good for most people, just not the best option for techy people wanting integration and squeezing the last £ out of the system.
    Thanks for your videos by the way - they have at least shown it's possible. That has given me the fortitude to carry on, even when things are not working for me. I'm now also going down the direct RS485 route, bridging it via MQTT.

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching and the comment. To be honest I was only looking to squeeze every £ out of it as that's what the sales guy told me was possible. I'd never heard of 'agile' before speaking to him, so if they hadn't said that I'd be none the wiser. I think going direct RS485/MQTT is probably the way to go as long as you can get documentation for the registers that you need to modify.

  • @SolisNotSolis
    @SolisNotSolis ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The status of charge of your battery is in the lower left bubble on the main icon screen. You scrolled past it to get to the bottom of the screen.
    You don't need to rummage into device for it??

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for that, it’s worth knowing. Previously the only way to find it was via device->battery in the webpage which was not helpful !

  • @geoffwebber8272
    @geoffwebber8272 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    A couple of observations on the content of your video. 1. I think it’s a little unfair to blame the inverter for its lack of Agile integration, it is working as designed. The issue is with the guy who misled you with his sales pitch. 2. Visibility of the battery state. On my app there are 4 circles which indicate the levels of PV production, Grid power and direction (import or export), house consumption and battery level as a percentage. These are all one the first screen that appears, there is no need to go searching elsewhere. I fully accept that the refresh rate is on the chunky side (every 5 minutes) and this can lead to the assumption that the figures displayed are not accurate, which is true of course. I expect a higher refresh rate would put a high load on the Solis Cloud servers. I had a lot of problems with unreliable data sticks on installation. I started with an RF version, which totally failed to work. I then received a wireless one from Solis (under guarantee) which dropped off the network for no apparent reason. This was then replaced with the LAN version, which was better, but still needed resetting from time to time. Then I read about remote control, which would only work with the latest version of the wireless data stick. Solis made the necessary change to allow this feature to work, and sent me the requisite S2 dongle. This has proved to be rock solid. Over the winter months I check the Agile rates as they are published at 16:00 each day, if the rates are good it takes less than 5 minutes to set the inverter to grab some cheap power. Not as good as having it automated I admit, but hardly onerous. Overall I am happy with the inverter and the rest of the setup. So far this month (April 2023) on half of the days we have drawn less than 200w from the grid over a 24hour period (we have 10kWh of storage).

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching and the comment. I don't blame the inverter for it's lack of agile integration, but if I was in the market for a new inverter and wanted agile integration I probably wouldn't get a Solis having the benefit of the last 12 months experience. With regards to the battery SoC I can see that in SolisCloud this is now visible in the 4 circles. When I first had my system installed the app was called 'Solis Home' and this was not visible.

    • @NoBiggi
      @NoBiggi ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gordonmarkuswhich inverter would you recommend based on your research?

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@NoBiggi probably Victron or Huaweii based on conversations with other installers that use these inverters in their own homes.

  • @asic_
    @asic_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I only had the kit for a couple of months now and I'm happy with its performance and stability. It definitely does not support the Agile tariff out the box; this is just salesmen BS. The datalogger stick and the mobile app that comes with it, is ok for some very basic stats keeping.
    However, if one wants to utilise the inverter to its fullest they need to tap onto the RS845 port directly. It speaks the modbus protocol which is ideal for controlling the inverter via Home Assistant. My setup consists of an RS485 to enthernet adapter, home assistant with Octopus and Solax integrations. Node red orchestrates the automations based on agile prices, PV output, house load, time of day etc.
    I get the point of the video and I agree with you. For a non-technical person, this approach is not ideal.
    Personally I'm happy that i can control the kit via home assistant.
    Happy to give you advice and assistance if you believe my setup sounds something that you'd be interested in
    Cheers

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, thanks for watching and the comment. Out of interest did you know what you were doing with HA/RS485 etc before you bought the inverter, so you knew what you were getting into? I think my issue is that as I said I (along with many others) feel that we were somewhat mis-sold the device because we were told all this stuff worked out of the box. After investing lots of time & effort I am happy with what the inverter does, but if I had the choice this time last year I probably would have chosen something else. I'm going to update my install to use Solax when I get the chance, can I ask what reference documentation you used for which registered to modify? The only document I have is quite old and I wonder if anything has changed in the later firmware versions. Thanks.

    • @asic_
      @asic_ ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gordonmarkus Hi,
      Not really, no :)
      I have read various posts of the hacky approach that involves an older datalogger stick to configure the inverter etc.
      The bit that sold me was that the kit supports modbus.
      I believe the existing documentation is still valid.
      However I discovered that using the Solax HA integration, nothing else is required (python/bash scripts etc).
      I absolutely agree with you on the mis-sold part. If my installer claimed something like that, I would have asked him for a demo! He only told me that he has configured his kit to charge the battery during Economy7 which is perfectly doable from the inverter's menu.
      I am not poking the registers directly: the Solax integration exposes sensors and configuration elements as HA entities. So for example, if I want to switch grid charging on, I execute a service call in node-red to change the entity "select.solis_energy_storage_control_switch" to {"option":"Backup/Reserve"}

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@asic_ Thanks for that, I'll definitely take a look at that when I get a chance. I'm going to hardwire my inverter to the network rather than using the DLS-W logger that I have now. I've got a DLS-L waiting here but the cable run is going to be a pain so I've been putting off doing it! Solax does sound like the way to go as that removes the need for the additional linux box running the python scripts although I might still keep that going as it's a good way of testing/checking the values directly on the inverter.

    • @mrsmith6316
      @mrsmith6316 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gordonmarkus I've got Lux ACS3600's hybrids. Utter pain in the arse to setup. Yes there's a WiFi dongle that gives local access but it's truly crap. I would *never* buy an inverter after this that I couldn't have direct local access to it. There's now a Lux integration in HA but my plan was to hard wire (telecom background) no WiFi. Unfortunately mine can only be controlled by a WiFi dongle interception, LAN dongle doesn't allow it. Really frustrating. I will swap out the inverters eventually for local control, no idea which brand yet though.
      I got Lux as advertised as compatible with Octopus. They are but you need the Octopus bit adding to the web dashboard. My interaction with the sole supplier of Lux in the UK was less than solubrious. I had quite a few months where my HA had full control but their remote system couldn't see my system properly. I fault fixed the system got it working and then someone remotely misconfigured the whole system which went on for nearly 2 weeks. I'm still convinced that was deliberate

    • @milliondollarboner
      @milliondollarboner ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Which RS485 to ethernet do you have?

  • @wolfgangehlert6335
    @wolfgangehlert6335 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hello Gordon, everything you have shown in your video "How to control Solis Hybrid Inverter fro HA..." looked very interesting for me.
    From this "...12 month review" video I got the feeling, that you are not very happy with the Solis inverter and the people behind it.
    I have a Solis 6kW 4G (just 2 MPPT, not hybrid) and one year ago, I tried to find a way to import data from the inverter into my node-red based smart home system, not knowing about your work.
    I only wanted to get the actual generation (Watt) and total yield (kWh) values. The Solis-EU service was more than poor. It took me more than 20 emails to make them understand that I only wanted any way for importing these two values. Finally they sent me a video, describing how to get data from there cloud into home assistant. They also managed to get these data for a 1 minute interval, but up today, this interval is not reliable (I guess having a 1 minute interval 75% only). Having it in HA, I export the values into an influx database and from there I import it into my node-red software. This is still a uge overhead and i regret the waste of livetime regarding the contacts with the Solis team. So for me it is not a surprise, that you are not really happy with Solis.
    Please let me know your opinion, if I can reduce my programming and software-tools overhead (HA), if I make use of your work, described in your first video. I never used python before, but I already installed Py3.12.3 on my raspi yesterday. I am using mosquitto for managing MQTT trafic (port 1883) and I have fear that using paho-mqtt, using also port 1883 will lead into troubles and problems which will prevent using your work. Reading the comments from your initial video I found out, that my wifi-dongle will be ok. So it would be great to hear your recommendations.

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hi Wolfgang, thanks for watching and the comment. I must admit when I did this video I was less than impressed because I think I'd been mis-sold the system. Everything that I've done in the videos I was told would work 'out of the box' via the Solis app but we all know that's a long way from the truth! Having now had the system 2 years, I think I should have bought a 6KW inverter as well. Anyway....in terms of what you're trying to achieve, if it's literally just trying to read the registers on the inverter to import into HA, have you thought about getting rid of the logger altogether and just using a waveshare RS485/ethernet adaptor on the inverter? You'll lose access to Solis Cloud but it will give you real time local access to the inverter. If you are on FB, this group facebook.com/groups/288045168816481 has a wealth of information in it. Some people have done some clever stuff with a couple of waveshare devices in master/slave setup so that they can still keep the Solis logger connected as well if Solis Cloud is important to you. I hope that helps :-)

    • @wolfgangehlert6335
      @wolfgangehlert6335 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@gordonmarkus Hello Gordon, thanks for the quick response. As pointed out, I want to get rid of overhead. I am using node-red so HA for me is overhead. I still hope that there is an easy way for direct accessing the wifi dongle and exporting actual power and total yield via MQTT. I have thought about inversting in hardware to get these data. The cheapest way for me seems to be a Shelly 3em (about 90€) and I am sure to get what I want. What I don’t want is to invest money into hardware for RS485 and so on not knowing software efforts behind. You may ask, why I don’t go with the Shelly 3em directly. Its because I have the ambition to do it with software only. Therefore I hope, that I can get sufficient inverterdata via MQTT from the raspi part of your initial video only. Do you think this will be possible?

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@wolfgangehlert6335 I'm afraid I don't have any experience with node-red or the shelly 3em, although I've got a shelly clamp meter to measure my own import/export as well as to control the additional fans on the inverter. I wonder if it would be worth joining the FB group I mentioned in my previous reply and asking in there as there are some really clever people with lots of experience (I'm not including myself in that!)

  • @waqarazeem3545
    @waqarazeem3545 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Anyone plz summarize should we get solis or not ?

  • @bretmcgee8990
    @bretmcgee8990 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    At 6:47 you can see the battery SOC ! It's not convoluted to find at all - you scrolled right past it! The 5 minute snapshot is a real issue for me. It should show averages at least between reads. I got my remote access via a ticket the next day.

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, I know that now. The app had been updated since I first had my install and the SoC now shows in the bubble, but when I got my system in April 2022 that wasn't case and the only place you could see it was where I went to in the video. Either way the the update lag and lack of decent remote control functionality is still a major issue for many users. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment, it's really appreciated.

  • @adibbins
    @adibbins ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, have you considered switching to Octopus Flux, I wonder if the higher repayments for unused electricity in the evening what affect it may have on your costs?

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi, I've looked at it but Eco7 works out better for me for import along with fixed export at 15p unit.

  • @laurencedamazer2260
    @laurencedamazer2260 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi, very interesting. I had my Solis Inverter just 3 months. I am non technical, but what drives me made is that the numbers in the Soliscloud APP never tie up. I am never sure which numbers are correct, i.e consumption can be out by 50%, as sometimes battery discharge is included and sometimes not. First rule of data control every number comes from the same place, so if wrong, it is consistently wrong so that you can adj.

  • @wilteduk007
    @wilteduk007 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    What inverter would you go with if getting one now? Which one gives the reliability and customisation you want?

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the comment. Based on experience from my friend at work or the electrician that installed my system I’d go with either Victron or Huaweii

    • @coolmalli8293
      @coolmalli8293 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gordonmarkushow about Growatt

    • @Tonypoolebcfc
      @Tonypoolebcfc 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I have a solis set up no issues ,very robust , main issue is power networks don't really want to pay you for your excess electricity you need this cert that cert etc ,the grid is more than happy to allow you to dump excess .
      sparky,s are having major issue's get mcis affiliated

  • @JUNYUWEI-g7t
    @JUNYUWEI-g7t ปีที่แล้ว

    Where did you place the order? On official website or authorized distribution store?

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว

      It was from a renewables company 'Cisco Homes'. I had a reasonable experience with them, but many have not. Depending on where you are, I'd go direct to an electrician next time.

  • @magicker8052
    @magicker8052 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Lol been though exactly the same with my solax installation and the same nightmare HA battles

  • @alienatedsec
    @alienatedsec ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A great review. I will link your video in my repo if you don't mind.

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching and the comment, you’re welcome to link/share :-)

  • @EMidMSO
    @EMidMSO ปีที่แล้ว

    Yet another example of the Gov'ts 'Green-blacking' policies; encouraging installer firms whose only interest is ..... installation. We've seen this with insulation firms, then insulation removal firms due to damp, EV cars with inadequate & expensive charging infrastructure ...... could they WANT to discredit the whole Green/Renewables project?
    As a customer, I want to 'fit & forget'; getting a system that optimises self-use & feedback. Instead it's a case of 'fit & be forgotten'
    And where are the Green organisations in all this? Instead of spreading orange powder & gluing themselves to things, thay should be supporting & advising those of us who have made the investment; helping with approved installers & system consultants

  • @rhemi553
    @rhemi553 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hmmm? all i care is if this inverter charges the backup battery so i will have electricity when the grid shuts down... otherwise life is entirely way too short to split hairs over technical BS for a solar system.

    • @gordonmarkus
      @gordonmarkus  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Then you have different expectations to what I was sold. Yes you can probably run in 'island' or backup mode but check with your installer before committing as you can only do this if you have TN-S or TT earthing system. If you have TN-CS earthing, then you can have a power outage due to a loss of neutral conductor which will actually lose your ground conductor at the same time (TN-CS is combined earth & neutral). Most modern houses build in the last 40 years or so are TN-CS, so get this checked.

  • @ordinacijamariomalnar197
    @ordinacijamariomalnar197 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are they still as awfull? March 2024.

  • @rogeliopailden6941
    @rogeliopailden6941 ปีที่แล้ว

    too many talks not going straight to the point.

  • @TikTok-il9hx
    @TikTok-il9hx ปีที่แล้ว

    Hadn't manged to find the battery state of charge info before, so that alone was worth the watch! Thanks