Have you ever seen Tudor black bay 54 with open case back? I really want the 54 but with an open case back. Have you seen one? Or do you know if Tudor would do that for a customer.
M79230B-0008 This one has the dark blue bezel and black dial very nice. But I'd love to be able to see an open case back for this model. I have a feeling its probably not possible.
The amount of information in this tidy watch video is unbelievable. As a Mechanical Engineer who works with many different materials, I’m almost embarrassed how much I learned from this. Well done!
How much do you like being a mechanical engineer? I’m really interested in getting a bachelors in it but don’t want to spend a lot of time on something I won’t end up liking
@@ryanp.8807 software engineer here, let me tell you. If you aren’t certain for sure. Odds are you don’t want to do it badly enough. Do something where you won’t doubt your passion. That will be subject to change in the future as your grow older and discover yourself. Just be ready to adapt and commit. I hope that helps.
@@ryanp.8807 Hey, sorry for my delayed reply. I definitely love mechanical engineering as it provides so much of a base of how things actually work. I feel like school just provides a glimpse into all the different areas you could eventually focus on. I went from wind-tunnel testing to eventually product design. go for it. But like @SEREN1TY said, you definitely have to have a passion for what ever you study as it's certainly more work in school.
what I love about that watch is when it has tarnished and you give i a gentle rub with an eraser and you get the original color back. It amazes me everytime how beautiful this watch is when not tarnished
I’m sharing this with my former chemistry professor. I don’t know if he’s interested in watches, but he’ll certainly love this content.🙂 Thanks for the detailed description!
About chemistry. I wonder what kind of alloy it is if not ordinary sterling silver. If it contains Germanium, such as Argentium silver, the properties will be different
The 1980's Dutch 50 Guilder coins were 925 and remained shiny and were quite scratch resistant. I'm itching to melt some down and use them for applications such as this one. They can be had for silver spot price +10% or so. What an amazing way to source a great alloy. If the machining cost is assumed the same, total fabrication cost would barely impact the price of the watch in the case of a Tudor.
The review on technical reason for using sapphire case back for lesser allergens to wearer make tons of sense. Very intelligently review from product design perspective.
To such simpletons such as myself, it has been easy to forget that silver and stainless steel are more different than initial quick visual appearances. Thanks for the reminder and the education on what makes this BB58 925 rather special. It's subtle, but perhaps that's why it works surprisingly so well. The lower contrast taupe grey color (compared to a straight black color) is actually relatively more contrasty when paired with the brighter luster of the 925 silver case. It's both subtle and contrasty enough at the same time. I believe About $925 over standard BB58, it's not THAT much when I think about it for a unique application of a rarely used precious metal on a watch model that is already a modern classic.
I've tried making silver aluminium alloys in a home forge. Didn't really go well. Would love to know how this actually works, I'm sure they have better methods than butane firebrick and a steel bucket though
Tudor is really coming out with interesting and beautiful pieces , they have no doubt stepped up their game in the last 3 years. They are the more edgy and innovative brand next to Rolex, for those who say it's the poor man's Rolex , don't understand the brand. In person this watch is stunning , pictures don't do it justice.
Silver is 8 times more abundant than gold, used for pretyy much every industrial purpose. Solar panels (due to its reflection), water filtration (its antibacterial properties), electrical conductors, mirrors, and for chemical purposes. Yet its sold at 56x less the price of Gold. Get it while you still can. Most undervalued assest.
I have been wondering for years why is silver so rare to see in watchmaking, but apparently it didn't bother me enough to do some research. Glad I've stumbled upon this one.
I have Tiffany&co Atlas automatic in sterling silver, scratches and dents super easily, gets tarnished only if I don’t wear it, very easy to clean with silver paste so tarnishing is not an issue at all, scratching and denting is.
Zenith brought out a watch made from silver two years ago, called the Zenith Pilot Type 20 Extra Special Silver, so this video’s preamble is actually wrong.
The talking hand guy, do you write your scripts it so amazing as what you come up with if you do. I do not think there is a more fluid content out there. I love your review talking hands, great job.
@@JinKee I don't think he does, I looked him up, he's a British voice actor, he's done lots of different voice over and acting work. I'm guessing they have someone at Watchfinder write the scripts then send them to him to record...
@@JinKee A while ago I read somewhere that it was this guy, but after finding some of his other videos, I don't think it is him: th-cam.com/channels/YVwBykAQijEDseEYrbNOmA.html I'm gonna keep looking into it...
@@mikeloshak6772 I think you may be right... Although he doesnt really sound the same but its hard to tell... But this sample video has watchfinder in it... So maybe that's a clue. th-cam.com/video/ImRMOx4gweQ/w-d-xo.html
Its funny the price difference of like £700 between this and steel... Its literally probably £15 worth of silver total in that watch... Compared to a few cents of steel on the steel watch... Silver should be easier to work with than steel, so if the only cost difference is the material, they're upcharging £700 for £15 in silver.
Just like any luxury good, it’s not about the material cost or the profit, it’s about the story behind the piece. Yes, it’s too expensive - welcome to modern-day watchmaking. But when compared to the competition, including its own big brother brand, Tudor - especially this BB58 925 - is quite a value, all things considered.
I own a silver chain, silver bracelet, and silver ring for the past 15 years, they never changed color and they never gave me an allergy. I think watches should be made of silver metal instead of bronze, carbon fiber r and ceramic. Silver is a precious metal that is very affordable. I wich that the Tudor had a silver bracelet.
Notice the lume in the dots running out and drooping over one side. I swear this stuff is made by the same companies making the seiko mod parts. I'm surprised they have the same hand material as the dial this time, unlick the BB58 with yellow and rose-gold combined to make it look like an Aliexpress watch,
I‘ve got a question, i hope anybody can help me. I own a certina ds action, nothing very special, but it was a present from my father in law, so i treat it with care, and it actually got me more and more interested in the whole mechanical watches world. Said father in law owns a rolex datejust, plain beautiful watch. He recently had his birthday so i was thinking with my wife gifting him a decent watch winder would be a good idea since he had none and i know that he doesn’t wear his watch that much, so keeping it winded is a good idea. He accepted the gift but not the idea, said he likes it to run out of force and stand still, so the mechanism doesn’t wear out and he doesn’t have to take to his dealer for servicing often. Now i‘ve gotten me myself a watchwinder a bit longer ago and liked the idea of being flexible with wearing my watch, and recently had it actually serviced and i‘ve been hearing things like one either way has to get the watch to a service facility from time to time Now what do you do? Do you really let your watch run out of winding reserve and let it unwinded as much as possible so that you can max out wearing it ocassionally without taking it to service? Or do you wear it when you want and when you dont feel like put it in an watchwinder so that the mechanism is always in a working state and doesn‘t get faulty, which i believe is better, even if you have to take it to service every two or so years? Hope someone can answer my question and if possible confirm what i believe is better, because i was actually pretty pissed that he didn‘t intend to use a properly thought out gift. Anyways have a nice one! Edit: smaller corrections here and there.
Maybe they should have used Argentium, which is 935 and alloyed with Germanium. It is hypoallergenic and highly tarnish resistant. It is also more expensive than sterling, but not a lot. Sterling will eventually turn black. To everyone who has silver plate or solid silver at home: there is a special cleaning cream for that, please don‘t use emery paper or other abrasive methods 😉 It will be interesting to see how this watch ages. Also worth mentioning is that sterling is still much softer than steel, so it will mark much more
The price of silver relative to gold has historically been about 1/10 (1 ounce of gold buys you 10 ounces of silver). Current relative market price of silver to gold is 1/68, which, historically speaking, makes silver ultra undervalued. Loved the video as always!
I have a few jewelry pieces made of silver, and I just gave up. Too much trouble cleaning them (the tarnish) too often and you just can't win. The only cool thing about them is that silver is heavier than steel for the same size so you feel you're wearing something more substantial, but in the long run just not worth it. Back to steel.
.925 is soft, the watch will show "Character" dents, scratches on so on easily. .925 will darken and tarnish overtime. It's a beautiful watch indeed and I wouldn't mind adding it to my collection as it is unique and original in its approach.
Got mine today on the NATO it shouldn’t be too hard. I put my name down the day it was announced though 🤔 btw it’s seriously nice in person pictures don’t do it justice.
@@joseherrera8489 That is awesome man! I called / visited 3 Tudor AD’s and none of them had them. They sold out already. I tried on several BB 58’s and realized, to my surprise, it looks too small in my wrist. Bummer
What should I buy tudor black bay silver? Or brietling navitimer 1 with an ETA I'm thinking tudor because it has a in house movement and it's dam beautiful but for the money I feel I'm getting more from the tudor??‽??
Honestly been looking for a new time piece as a chef. Have two Tags as I like the weight on them. Been battling in between a used 2020 Speedmaster Moon Watch with a nylon strap for 4950.00 with no box or card. A few Brietlings and then Boom! Tudor was introduced to me and how the mechanics are made in house and being the little brother of Rolex! I’m picking up my 925 Sat at the dealer at Encore Casino. If I hit big I will buy a new Moon Watch with the clear back down the road.
You're gonna argue with me immediately, I can tell. But here goes anyway.... The lighting creates a VERY strong optical illusion. It's not a "if you think about it you see it" type, it is a "doesn't matter what you do It will always look wrong to you" optical illusion. The diameter all the way around is absolutely perfect.
But do we definitively know if this 925 Silver contains nickel? Would be really important to know before trying to buy one. There's got to be a statement somewhere, right? Broadly "hypoallergenic" is not going to cut it.
That looks like a Black face and bezel, but on Tudor's website it only shows Taupe available for the silver case. Is it just this video's color correction that makes it appear black or does the Taupe show, in person, a lot darker than the Tudor website makes it look?
Love these videos! i don't think he's mentioned the actual spec of the watch! And all the better for it, anyone can look those up in 30 sec anyway. But the story of silver, and silver in watchmaking, you won't find that in 30 seconds.
Very innovative if Ag/Al alloy - will be interesting to see how easily the watch is damaged (both are soft metals, witness how easily Aluminium panels on cars and aircraft can be damaged) and how the case color changes or not over time...
Fascinating! Although despite the best of intentions, this alloy is already starting to tarnish, one month in. There have been youtube videos and forum posts showing discolouration already 😞
The aluminum in the mix may explain the yellow tarnishing a few have experienced after a month of wearing the watch. I'm a welder by trade and have seen plenty of aluminum with the yellow-ish staining. I guess I'll find out. I pick up my 925 on Friday.
Been waiting for this, very interesting. AD training said silver, copper, palladium plus one more undisclosed metal, and that the result was twice hardness of normal 925. If it's aluminium I'm not sure it would add much to the hardness, as Al is the same hardness as 925. Either way, I need this....
It is a common misconception that you need to add a hard metal to make an alloy harder - it's more to do with how the smaller atoms disrupt the neat regular layers of the main metal's atoms, so aluminium atoms which are much smaller than the transition metals you mentioned may well work. Magnesium is a very soft metal and yet magnesium alloy car wheels are not famed for bending easily.
Tudor refuses to communicate the alloy composition although I kindly asked for it. We have to trust that the alloy is hard enough and won’t tarnish. Well I would like to get informed as a mature customer so I just purchased the watch and will analyze the alloy by myself. How could I share the results with the watch community? Is watchfinder interested in getting the certificate of analysis?
I am beginning to get the impression that the current management of Tudor is moving further and further away from Hans Wilsdorf's idea to provide customers with a daily, reliable and comfortable watch for years at a reasonable cost. I look at my vintage Tudor and tell him, "Dude, you are really the precious one from a different era."
@@GinTonicFPV I am not against inproving products for a reasonable increase of price but now we are meeting something what can be hardly called in another words like greed. All the Rolex bussines is manufacturing together with their sub-branch Tudor approx. 1 to 1,2 mlo pieces per annum and is the 3rd watch producer in Switzerland just after Tissot and Longines but as for the value of sales is undisputable no. 1. It is a phenomenon that the mass producer of medium to medium high class luxury goods is so smartly pulling their clients by the nose. It went far away from the understanding Swiss maison of high horlogery. Similar marketal mechanisms as in the case of Apple and iPhones.
Well mine arrives this week and I'm pretty excited to get it. I just love the overall look of this one which will join my collection of BB58s, blue and black. Problem is I'm not rich and will almost certainly sell the black version.
What a great explanation of the different reflectivity ratings of the precious metals. The allergic properties of nickel was unknown to me. Very informative video, thanks so much. 👍🏻😷
Last week I saw a BB58 925 in a watch store's front, from the street and it had already what appeared to be a dark patina on top of the lugs, I was surprised because I expected the Tudor alloy to stay bright longer. I mean, it just came up so it's not like it had been sitting there for ages. It was still shiny but dark.
No way in the world you saw “dark patina” considering the watch was just released. Perhaps you saw shadows, but absolutely zero chance it was dark patina.
@@beginningbourbon7385 I had my doubts because it is so new, and that's why I made the comment. If there's no chance this silver alloy will tarnish, it was definitely a shadow. Thank you for clarifying that.
There's another reason why Tudor may have decided to now make this watch. Silver is 19 times more abundant in the world than gold yet if you look at the current Gold to Silver ratio, it currently sits at 68 troy ounces of silver for one troy ounce of Gold. The DOW JONES Industrial Average to Gold ration currently sits at 18 troy ounces per share. That means that the DOW to Silver ratio currently sits at 1224 troy ounces per share. That's extremely cheap considering that the amount of Silver is left in the world because it's constantly being consumed by all types of industries due to Silver being the no. 1 conductor of electricity and having anti-microbial properties on top of that.
Some people drink Colloidal Silver and actually turn blue, not silver. There's a famous guy in USA who drank it every day and ended up looking like a Smurf.
This is sort of my grail watch... I've seen a couple of videos complaining about how it ages/oxidizes, but I think it adds so much character and class to the piece. It really tells a story.
I gave in, and went to my local AD to buy one last month. I believe it is a unworn but old stock, a sleeper. The upper and bottom side (i dont know the term) where straps are has already oxidize to a little bronze color. The sides where the crown is, is perfectly fine. But it doesnt bother me. It has this vintage feel to the watch. I regret not getting it when it first released. Tudor has raised price twice since the release of this.
The horrible off-center lumabright pips would cause me to return this watch. I'm sorry I can't pay that much money for a watch to have such a horrible dial ruining issue. 8:20 if you didn't notice it in any of the shots before.
Love the innovation from Tudor lately. I really want to see this reference in person, highly intrigued. The new BB bronze with bronze bracelet is awesome too, but the boutique only sales is limiting.
I'm surprised Tudor didn't take the advantage of this property of silver being the shiniest metal in the world. There are no polished surfaces on a case, only brushed. Not impressed. Zaratsu treatment from Seiko would do wonders to this watch.
Glass caseback is cheaper than all 925 so that is most likely why.. that and the caseback wont tarnish so you still get to see new inside...maybe... I want one is all I know for certain.
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Have you ever seen Tudor black bay 54 with open case back? I really want the 54 but with an open case back. Have you seen one? Or do you know if Tudor would do that for a customer.
Ps luv you're channel bye the way. Alway's great and informative content.
M79230B-0008 This one has the dark blue bezel and black dial very nice. But I'd love to be able to see an open case back for this model. I have a feeling its probably not possible.
Next, Tudor will make a BB58 out of your scripts. Because they are pure gold.
Lolllll
Sarcasm off. All main brands forgot about silver, and Tudor now makes new wave of silver cases.
i never thought id see a person simp for a pair of manhands, but strangely i approve
They have already made - Tudor Black Bay 58 Yellow Gold Green Dial 79018.
Smooth af m8
Came for the watch, stayed for the chemistry.
Same...
@@mies_cup lol what a cheesy gay comment
Never ceases to amaze me, how many new and interesting alloys remain to be discovered and potentially find a use.
Well said
@@ravss4594 why was it a cheesy gay comment?
The amount of information in this tidy watch video is unbelievable.
As a Mechanical Engineer who works with many different materials, I’m almost embarrassed how much I learned from this.
Well done!
No shame in learning, mate!
How much do you like being a mechanical engineer? I’m really interested in getting a bachelors in it but don’t want to spend a lot of time on something I won’t end up liking
@@ryanp.8807 software engineer here, let me tell you. If you aren’t certain for sure. Odds are you don’t want to do it badly enough. Do something where you won’t doubt your passion. That will be subject to change in the future as your grow older and discover yourself. Just be ready to adapt and commit. I hope that helps.
Shame it's not all true.
@@ryanp.8807 Hey, sorry for my delayed reply. I definitely love mechanical engineering as it provides so much of a base of how things actually work. I feel like school just provides a glimpse into all the different areas you could eventually focus on. I went from wind-tunnel testing to eventually product design. go for it. But like @SEREN1TY said, you definitely have to have a passion for what ever you study as it's certainly more work in school.
Silver is my favorite metal, this is absolutely crazy to see, and I'm stoked for the black bay 58 925
have you seen it in person? it SHINES, it's almost white, it's great
@@JLchevz people truly underrate real silvers properties in jewellery. Gold sparkles sure but silver shines like literally nothing else.
@@chrish7543 yeah, although it will start to get a little bit dark over time I would guess
@@JLchevz personally I don’t mind shining things on occasion, IMO it’s worth it. Also, as seen in this video, some alloys don’t even need shining.
@@chrish7543 Unfortunately you would be removing the fine brushing if you did that
what I love about that watch is when it has tarnished and you give i a gentle rub with an eraser and you get the original color back. It amazes me everytime how beautiful this watch is when not tarnished
I’m sharing this with my former chemistry professor. I don’t know if he’s interested in watches, but he’ll certainly love this content.🙂 Thanks for the detailed description!
About chemistry. I wonder what kind of alloy it is if not ordinary sterling silver. If it contains Germanium, such as Argentium silver, the properties will be different
Get him the Monaco and start cooking ☺️
Please update us with his feedback
Bro no keep him away from this rabbit hole it'll bankrupt him
@@paulchristian5375 LOL maybe the chem professor will appreciate and approach the hobby from a different angle.
That grey dial/bezel is amazing. And a display case back on a Tudor is great to see. If they made a titanium version I'd be first in line.
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They have now ( sorta ) the Pelagose 39 . I am on the list for it. It is what I have been waiting for also.
The 1980's Dutch 50 Guilder coins were 925 and remained shiny and were quite scratch resistant.
I'm itching to melt some down and use them for applications such as this one. They can be had for silver spot price +10% or so. What an amazing way to source a great alloy. If the machining cost is assumed the same, total fabrication cost would barely impact the price of the watch in the case of a Tudor.
The review on technical reason for using sapphire case back for lesser allergens to wearer make tons of sense. Very intelligently review from product design perspective.
Zenith makes two Pilot's watches from silver. Beautiful pieces with unique blueprint dials.
To such simpletons such as myself, it has been easy to forget that silver and stainless steel are more different than initial quick visual appearances. Thanks for the reminder and the education on what makes this BB58 925 rather special.
It's subtle, but perhaps that's why it works surprisingly so well. The lower contrast taupe grey color (compared to a straight black color) is actually relatively more contrasty when paired with the brighter luster of the 925 silver case. It's both subtle and contrasty enough at the same time.
I believe About $925 over standard BB58, it's not THAT much when I think about it for a unique application of a rarely used precious metal on a watch model that is already a modern classic.
I've tried making silver aluminium alloys in a home forge. Didn't really go well. Would love to know how this actually works, I'm sure they have better methods than butane firebrick and a steel bucket though
you either need a centrifugal casting machine or a vacuum casting machine to get a great cast.
Tudor is really coming out with interesting and beautiful pieces , they have no doubt stepped up their game in the last 3 years. They are the more edgy and innovative brand next to Rolex, for those who say it's the poor man's Rolex , don't understand the brand. In person this watch is stunning , pictures don't do it justice.
bro its like 4 grand still xD
@@CAEeQuilibium over list yeah , there isn't many around at the moment
Silver is 8 times more abundant than gold, used for pretyy much every industrial purpose. Solar panels (due to its reflection), water filtration (its antibacterial properties), electrical conductors, mirrors, and for chemical purposes. Yet its sold at 56x less the price of Gold. Get it while you still can. Most undervalued assest.
Stop telling people so I can keep buying cheap
@@yungone369 Bro its been cheap for ages, even 100 dollars is cheap. Even 1900 for Gold is cheap. Keep stacking. Surely you want the price to go up.
I have been wondering for years why is silver so rare to see in watchmaking, but apparently it didn't bother me enough to do some research. Glad I've stumbled upon this one.
I’ve wondered for a long time why no brand makes watches in silver. No need to wonder anymore. Pretty sure others will follow.
Except they do make them in silver? Silver just fell out of fashion.
@@StuninRub Wristwatches or are you referring to pocket watches?
Zenith does
Many watchmakers did, however they plated them with gold
Cartier did for decades...
This is the first Tudor I’ve wanted! Amazing video as always 👍🏻
I have Tiffany&co Atlas automatic in sterling silver, scratches and dents super easily, gets tarnished only if I don’t wear it, very easy to clean with silver paste so tarnishing is not an issue at all, scratching and denting is.
Zenith brought out a watch made from silver two years ago, called the Zenith Pilot Type 20 Extra Special Silver, so this video’s preamble is actually wrong.
The talking hand guy, do you write your scripts it so amazing as what you come up with if you do. I do not think there is a more fluid content out there. I love your review talking hands, great job.
watch his oldest videos and you can see him progress as a presenter. i think he writes his own stuff
@@JinKee I don't think he does, I looked him up, he's a British voice actor, he's done lots of different voice over and acting work. I'm guessing they have someone at Watchfinder write the scripts then send them to him to record...
@@mikeloshak6772 what’s his name?
@@JinKee A while ago I read somewhere that it was this guy, but after finding some of his other videos, I don't think it is him:
th-cam.com/channels/YVwBykAQijEDseEYrbNOmA.html
I'm gonna keep looking into it...
@@mikeloshak6772 I think you may be right... Although he doesnt really sound the same but its hard to tell... But this sample video has watchfinder in it... So maybe that's a clue.
th-cam.com/video/ImRMOx4gweQ/w-d-xo.html
Omega made a solid silver trench watch back in 1922
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It patinas mine going slightly yellow with a rainbow effect like old silver coins do 😏
Its funny the price difference of like £700 between this and steel... Its literally probably £15 worth of silver total in that watch... Compared to a few cents of steel on the steel watch... Silver should be easier to work with than steel, so if the only cost difference is the material, they're upcharging £700 for £15 in silver.
Finally someone with a bit of a brain... The fanboys bombarded the comment section completely. The last Tudor I would buy...
The open caseback might also account for the price difference.
Research and development? Tools?
Just like any luxury good, it’s not about the material cost or the profit, it’s about the story behind the piece.
Yes, it’s too expensive - welcome to modern-day watchmaking. But when compared to the competition, including its own big brother brand, Tudor - especially this BB58 925 - is quite a value, all things considered.
@@tychovanvugt5531 Research for 925 sterling silver and adjusting the CNC / cast to sterling 925??
I own a silver chain, silver bracelet, and silver ring for the past 15 years, they never changed color and they never gave me an allergy. I think watches should be made of silver metal instead of bronze, carbon fiber r and ceramic. Silver is a precious metal that is very affordable. I wich that the Tudor had a silver bracelet.
A silver bracelet would be like $1000 from Tudor. And it would scratch so easily. But it would look amazing.
Notice the lume in the dots running out and drooping over one side. I swear this stuff is made by the same companies making the seiko mod parts. I'm surprised they have the same hand material as the dial this time, unlick the BB58 with yellow and rose-gold combined to make it look like an Aliexpress watch,
such an informative video.
Really wish this watch came on a silver bracelet, though.
Love tudor🙌 i just got the bb S&G champagne dial and it hasn't left my wrist since, it's stunning, and this silver new model is dope as well.
One of the best videos from Watchfinder! Pure Gol..Silver!
I would love to see this with a 925 silver bracelet on i hope they do it in the future!
The amount of research / knowledge is fascinating!
I‘ve got a question, i hope anybody can help me. I own a certina ds action, nothing very special, but it was a present from my father in law, so i treat it with care, and it actually got me more and more interested in the whole mechanical watches world. Said father in law owns a rolex datejust, plain beautiful watch. He recently had his birthday so i was thinking with my wife gifting him a decent watch winder would be a good idea since he had none and i know that he doesn’t wear his watch that much, so keeping it winded is a good idea. He accepted the gift but not the idea, said he likes it to run out of force and stand still, so the mechanism doesn’t wear out and he doesn’t have to take to his dealer for servicing often. Now i‘ve gotten me myself a watchwinder a bit longer ago and liked the idea of being flexible with wearing my watch, and recently had it actually serviced and i‘ve been hearing things like one either way has to get the watch to a service facility from time to time
Now what do you do? Do you really let your watch run out of winding reserve and let it unwinded as much as possible so that you can max out wearing it ocassionally without taking it to service?
Or do you wear it when you want and when you dont feel like put it in an watchwinder so that the mechanism is always in a working state and doesn‘t get faulty, which i believe is better, even if you have to take it to service every two or so years?
Hope someone can answer my question and if possible confirm what i believe is better, because i was actually pretty pissed that he didn‘t intend to use a properly thought out gift.
Anyways have a nice one!
Edit: smaller corrections here and there.
Maybe they should have used Argentium, which is 935 and alloyed with Germanium. It is hypoallergenic and highly tarnish resistant. It is also more expensive than sterling, but not a lot. Sterling will eventually turn black. To everyone who has silver plate or solid silver at home: there is a special cleaning cream for that, please don‘t use emery paper or other abrasive methods 😉 It will be interesting to see how this watch ages. Also worth mentioning is that sterling is still much softer than steel, so it will mark much more
Correct
The price of silver relative to gold has historically been about 1/10 (1 ounce of gold buys you 10 ounces of silver). Current relative market price of silver to gold is 1/68, which, historically speaking, makes silver ultra undervalued. Loved the video as always!
Or gold overvalued 🤫
1 oz of gold should get you closer to a 100 oz silver
I wish you guys did a side by side with the SS version so we can truly see how much of a difference there is in regards to the color.
My Tungsten bezel on my ARAGON shines like crazy is there any watches made out of Tungsten that’s any good ….?
I really want to get my hands on this watch, i adore silver and the Black Bay 58. The best of both worlds? Time will tell
They do tarnish
@@Exodianotforbidden as does all silver. It's to be expected
I have a few jewelry pieces made of silver, and I just gave up. Too much trouble cleaning them (the tarnish) too often and you just can't win. The only cool thing about them is that silver is heavier than steel for the same size so you feel you're wearing something more substantial, but in the long run just not worth it. Back to steel.
Just bought this model today. I love it.
.925 is soft, the watch will show "Character" dents, scratches on so on easily. .925 will darken and tarnish overtime. It's a beautiful watch indeed and I wouldn't mind adding it to my collection as it is unique and original in its approach.
May i know where can i get the protective film on the watch that you are holding?
I so appreciate your homework on the watch and the metal made it's of, well done.
Silver is normally very soft and won’t take scratches and dents that well
it's harder than gold and plenty of watches seem to be made of that.
Sadly they do tarnish
Calling around my Tudor AD’s, and it seems like this is going to be impossible to get like a Rolex. SMH. Just don’t understand.
Got mine today on the NATO it shouldn’t be too hard. I put my name down the day it was announced though 🤔 btw it’s seriously nice in person pictures don’t do it justice.
I think it depends on where you are. I live in Chicago and googled the closest AD. I walked in yesterday and bought it.
@@joseherrera8489 That is awesome man! I called / visited 3 Tudor AD’s and none of them had them. They sold out already. I tried on several BB 58’s and realized, to my surprise, it looks too small in my wrist. Bummer
@@beginningbourbon7385 yeah, that's what surprised me too. It IS a bit on the small side. But its nice to have variety.
@@joseherrera8489 So happy for you man! Truly stoked for you!!!
Great chemistry lesson…..causes general concern about getting this watch in silver and the unpredictable look once it ages and patina sets in.
What should I buy tudor black bay silver? Or brietling navitimer 1 with an ETA I'm thinking tudor because it has a in house movement and it's dam beautiful but for the money I feel I'm getting more from the tudor??‽??
Honestly been looking for a new time piece as a chef. Have two Tags as I like the weight on them. Been battling in between a used 2020 Speedmaster Moon Watch with a nylon strap for 4950.00 with no box or card. A few Brietlings and then Boom! Tudor was introduced to me and how the mechanics are made in house and being the little brother of Rolex! I’m picking up my 925 Sat at the dealer at Encore Casino. If I hit big I will buy a new Moon Watch with the clear back down the road.
8:21 the 4 o'clock and 5 o'clock lume is so poorly done. If I saw that in person I would wonder if this is a legit Tudor or a fake.
Wow that is indeed horribly done. The lumes in a Vostok watch are even done better and that for $50. Shame on Tudor!
You're gonna argue with me immediately, I can tell. But here goes anyway.... The lighting creates a VERY strong optical illusion. It's not a "if you think about it you see it" type, it is a "doesn't matter what you do It will always look wrong to you" optical illusion. The diameter all the way around is absolutely perfect.
But do we definitively know if this 925 Silver contains nickel? Would be really important to know before trying to buy one. There's got to be a statement somewhere, right? Broadly "hypoallergenic" is not going to cut it.
That looks like a Black face and bezel, but on Tudor's website it only shows Taupe available for the silver case. Is it just this video's color correction that makes it appear black or does the Taupe show, in person, a lot darker than the Tudor website makes it look?
Interesting review. Regards.
Best informative watch Chanel! Please do more vintage Rolex etc. thank you 🙏
Love these videos! i don't think he's mentioned the actual spec of the watch! And all the better for it, anyone can look those up in 30 sec anyway. But the story of silver, and silver in watchmaking, you won't find that in 30 seconds.
@Lee I can't think of another watch channel that does it. I always learn something from the video
@Lee I had to laugh out loud at that. I wonder sometimes if they are even aware of how they sound. arguing whether it is 39.4mm or 39.5mm!
I've spent the last year wondering why watches aren't made of Silver. It would be nice to see it used by other wristwatch manufacturers.
Very innovative if Ag/Al alloy - will be interesting to see how easily the watch is damaged (both are soft metals, witness how easily Aluminium panels on cars and aircraft can be damaged) and how the case color changes or not over time...
Fascinating! Although despite the best of intentions, this alloy is already starting to tarnish, one month in. There have been youtube videos and forum posts showing discolouration already 😞
The aluminum in the mix may explain the yellow tarnishing a few have experienced after a month of wearing the watch. I'm a welder by trade and have seen plenty of aluminum with the yellow-ish staining. I guess I'll find out. I pick up my 925 on Friday.
You’ll love it, great value for what you’re getting
MikeG, in your opinion should it be removable easily at home?
Been waiting for this, very interesting. AD training said silver, copper, palladium plus one more undisclosed metal, and that the result was twice hardness of normal 925. If it's aluminium I'm not sure it would add much to the hardness, as Al is the same hardness as 925. Either way, I need this....
probably titanium or something hard like that
It is a common misconception that you need to add a hard metal to make an alloy harder - it's more to do with how the smaller atoms disrupt the neat regular layers of the main metal's atoms, so aluminium atoms which are much smaller than the transition metals you mentioned may well work. Magnesium is a very soft metal and yet magnesium alloy car wheels are not famed for bending easily.
Favorite part is when Speaking Hands manages to squeeze out a 6th syllable from "aluminum".
Congratulations.
Beautiful video and superb content. Question: What’s the difference between MT5400 and the other BB 58 movement MT5402?
I believe it's just sized down for the 39mm case 🤔
Tudor refuses to communicate the alloy composition although I kindly asked for it. We have to trust that the alloy is hard enough and won’t tarnish. Well I would like to get informed as a mature customer so I just purchased the watch and will analyze the alloy by myself. How could I share the results with the watch community? Is watchfinder interested in getting the certificate of analysis?
0:15 not exactly, Zenith's type 20 in silver came out earlier.
"major" watch brand
@@Flight6LBJ Compared to just Tudor (not Rolex), Zenith is a major brand. Actually, they are not even competing at the same level.
@@george5737 jup! but some will never understand......
How many pieces contains the MT5400 ?
I learned more about silver in the first 4 minutes of your presentation than all of my years of schooling.
Problem is - the tarnishing, it does not stay colourless for long as anyone with a silver tea pot will attest
You can see this in the video of "the watch idiot". His bb is already turning yellow
Silky smooth narrative, with a hint of humour. Perfect review - thanks!
Now just offer more colors for the BB58 and put a clear case back on all of them. 🤔👍
Not true, I had a 925 sterling silver cased Baume and Mercier vintage from the 40s or 50s probably.
Alloy more likely to be one of the new generation 925 silver/palladium/germanium compositions IMO
I am beginning to get the impression that the current management of Tudor is moving further and further away from Hans Wilsdorf's idea to provide customers with a daily, reliable and comfortable watch for years at a reasonable cost. I look at my vintage Tudor and tell him, "Dude, you are really the precious one from a different era."
Swiss watch industry as a whole hasn't been like that for decades. Now they are just overpriced jewelry that happens to tell time.
@@GinTonicFPV I am not against inproving products for a reasonable increase of price but now we are meeting something what can be hardly called in another words like greed. All the Rolex bussines is manufacturing together with their sub-branch Tudor approx. 1 to 1,2 mlo pieces per annum and is the 3rd watch producer in Switzerland just after Tissot and Longines but as for the value of sales is undisputable no. 1. It is a phenomenon that the mass producer of medium to medium high class luxury goods is so smartly pulling their clients by the nose. It went far away from the understanding Swiss maison of high horlogery. Similar marketal mechanisms as in the case of Apple and iPhones.
Well mine arrives this week and I'm pretty excited to get it. I just love the overall look of this one which will join my collection of BB58s, blue and black. Problem is I'm not rich and will almost certainly sell the black version.
What about Bell and Ross Argentium ? It was made of oxidation-resistant silver alloy and released somewhere around 2012.
What a great explanation of the different reflectivity ratings of the precious metals. The allergic properties of nickel was unknown to me. Very informative video, thanks so much. 👍🏻😷
Can you get this watch at retail in the AD’s? Or there are crazy waiting times already.
Tarnishes plenty. Gives it character but don't believe it won't.
3:27 why leave the stickers on for the macro shots??
This is the best and likely the only, Watch/history/chemistry/political science/jewelry/philosophy/etc. channel on TH-cam.
can you do a video for BLACK BAY FIFTY-EIGHT 18K
Last week I saw a BB58 925 in a watch store's front, from the street and it had already what appeared to be a dark patina on top of the lugs, I was surprised because I expected the Tudor alloy to stay bright longer. I mean, it just came up so it's not like it had been sitting there for ages. It was still shiny but dark.
Why don't I believe you and your observation. If this was a watch released a few years ago maybe.
No way in the world you saw “dark patina” considering the watch was just released. Perhaps you saw shadows, but absolutely zero chance it was dark patina.
@@beginningbourbon7385 I had my doubts because it is so new, and that's why I made the comment. If there's no chance this silver alloy will tarnish, it was definitely a shadow. Thank you for clarifying that.
love the chemistry lesson
There's another reason why Tudor may have decided to now make this watch.
Silver is 19 times more abundant in the world than gold yet if you look at the current Gold to Silver ratio, it currently sits at 68 troy ounces of silver for one troy ounce of Gold.
The DOW JONES Industrial Average to Gold ration currently sits at 18 troy ounces per share.
That means that the DOW to Silver ratio currently sits at 1224 troy ounces per share.
That's extremely cheap considering that the amount of Silver is left in the world because it's constantly being consumed by all types of industries due to Silver being the no. 1 conductor of electricity and having anti-microbial properties on top of that.
Just finished thinking this watch could be a great long term investment. Silver is incredibly manipulated down and undervalued.
So why don't they polish it? What's with the matt finish?
Some people drink Colloidal Silver and actually turn blue, not silver. There's a famous guy in USA who drank it every day and ended up looking like a Smurf.
"Keeping the watch bright"
*brushed case*
Everytime I see a Black Bay, it always surprises me how competitively priced they are
I wish they made a 925 bracelet. I want that luster on the whole watch
This is sort of my grail watch... I've seen a couple of videos complaining about how it ages/oxidizes, but I think it adds so much character and class to the piece. It really tells a story.
I gave in, and went to my local AD to buy one last month. I believe it is a unworn but old stock, a sleeper. The upper and bottom side (i dont know the term) where straps are has already oxidize to a little bronze color. The sides where the crown is, is perfectly fine. But it doesnt bother me. It has this vintage feel to the watch. I regret not getting it when it first released. Tudor has raised price twice since the release of this.
The horrible off-center lumabright pips would cause me to return this watch. I'm sorry I can't pay that much money for a watch to have such a horrible dial ruining issue. 8:20 if you didn't notice it in any of the shots before.
A chinese replica would have better QC
Love the innovation from Tudor lately. I really want to see this reference in person, highly intrigued. The new BB bronze with bronze bracelet is awesome too, but the boutique only sales is limiting.
The movement is also silver? That I didn’t know! Thanks for this detailed overview!
I knew it! I said to many when this released it will never patina. Thanks WF! Great video. Sunday morning + coffee + WF = JOY
They are already tarnishing mate
I'm surprised Tudor didn't take the advantage of this property of silver being the shiniest metal in the world. There are no polished surfaces on a case, only brushed. Not impressed. Zaratsu treatment from Seiko would do wonders to this watch.
It was still probably too soft to hold a polish like that. It would haze and scratch incredibly easily.
Glass caseback is cheaper than all 925 so that is most likely why.. that and the caseback wont tarnish so you still get to see new inside...maybe... I want one is all I know for certain.
If added 999.9 gold to pure999. 9 silver. Will it become resistant to corrosion. Anyone knows, Please reply.
We need a video on the new Ceramic Tudor
Showing this next to a plain steel black bay for comparison would have helped a lot here.
It's all been said already, but this is some informative and wonderfully different watch review. Brilliant as silver. Thank you.
As a werewolf, I find this infuriating.
Surprised they didn’t use tarnish resistant silver alloy Argentium - as Bell & Ross did a few years back
A great watch and an interesting material/alloy, I always loved silverware and jewelry but I never had any because it oxidizes way to much.