It's this kind of banter that added that little extra connection to the characters and honestly i think its a big part of the reason that Star Trek had such loyal fans that kept it alive after the show was cancelled.
he even sorta stuttered before he said "I beg your pardon". And in the end when he got his way, he makes a lighthearted "Oh, sure I'm always super careful" comment that, given his history, is almost a joke.
Right?! Aren't they both so adorable? This is one of my favorites because Kirk, despite his cowboy rep, does NOT kill the Horta--he reads her body language and elects to see things out. Such a great episode.
Fabulous - so loved this unique series. I am not a sci-fi fan. But Star Trek - what's the expression? - crossed over, transcended barriers of genre. It was special.
..no less than Glen A. Larson, who helmed the OG Battlestar Galactica movie/series..was aware of how things should be..he stated, more or less..that sci-fi cannot just be about the gadgets & jargon.. that the human element must be kept up to adequate levels. Most everyone's fave shows in this genre are the ones that did just that, showing he was correct.
This was a great episode. I love it when jocularity is involved. Kirk really knows how to show his funny side just through the expression on his face.😂😂
Bill gets extra credit for this episode during filming he father passed but rather than suspend filming he has them continue until the filming is complete
@George Henderson i remember it getting mentioned by Leonard Nimoy. I believe it was on the 1982 Star Trek Memories program that aired before the release of star trek 2
One of the few instances where Kirk was very wrong. The "monster" was a scared, female alien trying to protect her eggs/children from the miners who were killing them as they dug deeper and deeper into her home. Context MATTERS.
Leonard Nimoy talked about how painful the first ST movie was, because it mainly lacked the charm and humor that was a part of the series - this moment is a perfect example.
This scene is hilarious! Spock quoting odds to Kirk and the Captain finally agreeing with Spock is priceless! They are both hunting a creature called a Horta, a silicon-based life-form that digests solid rock. Later, Kirk and Spock separate only to have Kirk confront the deadly Horta all alone (Kirk did have his phaser, keeping the creature at bay.)
I get a different answer than Spock. Looking at this problem, I am assuming Kirk is not going to immediately "beam in" another security member and further assume there would be two deaths. What we have is a permutation where the chances of any first person dying is 1/100 and any second person dying is 1/99. The chances for any particular grouping of two people dying is 1/9900. This puts the chances of any particular group of two having at least one living member at 9899/9900. This would make the odds of any particular group of two dying at 9899:1 At least according to my calculations.
Well the thing Spock failed to do is consider the correlation between their location during an potential encounter. If they had conducted their search separately then I think Spock's odds sound pretty reasonable, but they were often very near one another during the search, meaning that if one of them encountered the Horta, there was a good chance the other would be nearby, and that would raise the odds of both of them being killed. I.e. a priori odds made the chances higher.
I always wondered why engineering and security wore red shirts. Maybe Ross Dress for less had a sale and Star Fleet couldn't resist. Or maybe Star Fleet couldn't get enough government funding so they had to scrimp.
Mom & dad, I just got hired by Star Fleet. Doing what honey? I'm going to be a security officer on the Enterprise. Mom & dad, why are you posting all my stuff for sale on Ebay?
I always wondered when odds were quoted if there were any mathematicians that are being quoted or it's strictly made up. in any case we know the red shirts are toast. I liked how Spock hesitated when Kirk said they should split up and Kirk starts walking down the tunnel and Spock watches him until he's almost out of sight and then he goes down his tunnel (I also noticed that Kirk said Spock should take the tunnel on the left and he'll take the tunnel on the right, but they are both going in the opposite tunnel direction (Kirk Left and Spock Right) I also liked how when the tunnel collapsed Spock starts shouting "Jim.....JIM!" Yes Spock your brother "T'hyla" needs you. Gotta love it :D
Lily, Here's a little trivial information for you. When William Shatner was in one of the tunnels, he received news that his Father had just passed away. Instead of quitting and leaving right away, he insisted on staying and finishing filming production on this episode, The Devil In The Dark.
Completely made up. The direction thing is because Shatner is stage trained. And contrary to popular perception, red shirts had a pretty good chance of survival. Barely any died in this episode. Blue shirts did most of the dying in the series over all. The misconception of the red shirt curse is, as usual, from one single episode (not this one) in which twelve red shirts died, which is very unusual for this series.
From the assignments shown in the scene, it looks like each search team is composed of 4 men. That means there are at most, 19 four-man teams (to keep the total searchers under 100) plus a team consisting of Kirk and Spock. If each team has an equal probability of encountering the creature, then each team has a 1/20 probability of encountering the creature. Further assume each team member has a probability of dying during the encounter equal to any other member of that team (1/4 for four man teams, 1/2 for Kirk and Spock. Kirk and Spock have a 1/20 chance of encountering the creature and the chances of both being killed are 1/5 x 1/5, the probability of Kirk and Spock dying are 1/5000. The true probability is less than this since there is some probability that an encounter will not result in any fatalities. If there is a 50-50 chance of a fatal encounter, then the odds are cut in half or 1 in 2500. So Spock’s estimate is reasonable, though I don’t see how he could give such a precise probability if the number of searchers is “approximately” 100.
Does anyone know how he calculated these odds? I've tried even using methods I know are wrong and still can't get what he came up with. I refuse to believe that the writers didn't just ask someone to calculate something as simple as this real quick if they in fact couldn't lol.
@@neilkurzman4907 And that is disappointing. I hate when TV programmes pretend that some detail has meaning when it is complete fluff. Especially when it could give depth to the world building. I especially hate when it is factually wrong. This most often happens with simple mathematical things, but also with history, geography, physics, biology, psychology, even philosophy. It's like the writers don't even care about their own craft, and about everybody knowing that they don't. Or maybe they think that the audience is as stupid as them and like to rub their noses into how they don't deserve any effort. And the worst part is that people believe whatever nonsense makes it to the screen. Especially when other writers blindly copy it for their own scripts, reinforcing those falsehoods.
After season 1, there were plans to produce "A Very Special Horta Christmas Show" that apparently got canned because of the foam-rubber shortage at the time. Anyone have a copy of the script for this show? Rumors swirled that the show would feature a Gorn dressed up as Santa - with green Orion slave girls as the elves. A must-watch TV show to be sure.
really? an unknown creature is killing your crew & only takes a few seconds to do it--you'd really would want to capture it? sorry it's shoot first ask questions later guess you never served
The miners really did a great job leveling that cave floor! It looks as smooth as a concrete floor in a sound stage!
23rd century technology at work, no doubt! 🖖😜
@@Pondimus_Maximus Or the Horta...!!
And enough light to see in a tunnel too
@@tubian323 Hi! I forgot I posted that!
with some cheesy felt carpeting that matches the rocks.
You know a real friend when they get annoying in their attempts to protect you from harm.
My definition of a true friend is I call them tell them I'm in trouble and I need their help, their question is do I need to bring a Gun or a Shovel?
@@arlieaustin448 They ask 'cash, casket or Kalashnikov".
"And they are of course accurate."
"Of course."
Spock was a bookie on Vulcan. He joined Starfleet to get away from the Vulcan mafia.
It's this kind of banter that added that little extra connection to the characters and honestly i think its a big part of the reason that Star Trek had such loyal fans that kept it alive after the show was cancelled.
This type of banter between actors is what made the series so great.
Can we talk about the hesitation in Spock's voice when the captain gives him the orders, and the satisfaction when Jim finally agrees with him
0 comments, so I guess not
he even sorta stuttered before he said "I beg your pardon". And in the end when he got his way, he makes a lighthearted "Oh, sure I'm always super careful" comment that, given his history, is almost a joke.
@@honeymesquite3229 Goodpoint! He is a science officer, after all. Lol.
@@honeymesquite3229 he thought he was being told off lmao
@@fisch37
So…human.
"That is always my intention, captain" says the man who pushed Jim out of the way and got punctured by a poisonous plant🙃🙃
Shatner and Nimoy had the best chemistry together.
And DeForest Kelly! And Nichelle Nichols! And James Doohan!
Which explains the many, MANY Kirk/Spock slashfics out there😉😁😈.
I think it was Phil Farrand who pointed out that the odds of them _both_ being killed are dramatically higher if they go _together._
They're adorable.....
* Kirk not in danger * Spock: please don't kill it!!! It's a living thing!!! Rare species!!!
* Kirk in danger * Spock: shoot it!! Shoot it captain it's dangerous!!!
Right?! Aren't they both so adorable? This is one of my favorites because Kirk, despite his cowboy rep, does NOT kill the Horta--he reads her body language and elects to see things out. Such a great episode.
That look at Kirk gives at the end is priceless
Yes - and it was these facets that made Star Trek special. (See my little comment above.)
It was illogical for Spock to assume that there was only one creature. Right Spocko? "Check."
I do so love these two Spock was having none of it!
Fabulous - so loved this unique series. I am not a sci-fi fan. But Star Trek - what's the expression? - crossed over, transcended barriers of genre. It was special.
..no less than Glen A. Larson, who helmed the OG Battlestar Galactica movie/series..was aware of how things should be..he stated, more or less..that sci-fi cannot just be about the gadgets & jargon..
that the human element must be kept up to adequate levels. Most everyone's fave shows in this genre are the ones that did just that, showing he was correct.
For people who wanted to avoid trouble, they sure had a propensity for finding it.
to answer your question, creator of this video, Jim knows all too well where Spock pulls these statistics from. ;)
This was a great episode. I love it when jocularity is involved. Kirk really knows how to show his funny side just through the expression on his face.😂😂
This was a fantastic episode
2228.7 to 1
Never tell me the odds!!
Oh wait, Trek not Wars!!!!
Wrong place
Except that Spock didn’t give Kirk their chances of survival. He gave the odds of both of them being killed.
No, those ere the odds *agaonid* bosh of them being killed while engaged in that search.
@@kellyrayburn4093 agaonid bosh?
Bill gets extra credit for this episode during filming he father passed but rather than suspend filming he has them continue until the filming is complete
That I did not know. Thanks for that info.
@George Henderson i remember it getting mentioned by Leonard Nimoy. I believe it was on the 1982 Star Trek Memories program that aired before the release of star trek 2
@@georgehenderson7783George is a Trekkie too???? 🖖🖖🖖
@@Jaque1961 Yes, he sure is! Didn't know you were too! Nice to see you here!
@@georgehenderson7783 Original series only
Spock don't want to sit on the bench, he wants to stay in the game.
he only asked spock to stay behind because he wanted Spock to give reason to be together
"Never tell me the odds" -- Han Solo
One of the few instances where Kirk was very wrong. The "monster" was a scared, female alien trying to protect her eggs/children from the miners who were killing them as they dug deeper and deeper into her home. Context MATTERS.
Leonard Nimoy talked about how painful the first ST movie was, because it mainly lacked the charm and humor that was a part of the series - this moment is a perfect example.
This scene is hilarious! Spock quoting odds to Kirk and the Captain finally agreeing with Spock is priceless! They are both hunting a creature called a Horta, a silicon-based life-form that digests solid rock. Later, Kirk and Spock separate only to have Kirk confront the deadly Horta all alone (Kirk did have his phaser, keeping the creature at bay.)
Kirk doesn’t seem to ever follow his rationale on keeping Spock out of harm when on other episodes almost all command officers go on a landing party.
NO other sires captured the genuine friendship , humour and wit as this
I get a different answer than Spock. Looking at this problem, I am assuming Kirk is not going to immediately "beam in" another security member and further assume there would be two deaths.
What we have is a permutation where the chances of any first person dying is 1/100 and any second person dying is 1/99. The chances for any particular grouping of two people dying is 1/9900. This puts the chances of any particular group of two having at least one living member at 9899/9900. This would make the odds of any particular group of two dying at 9899:1
At least according to my calculations.
Well the thing Spock failed to do is consider the correlation between their location during an potential encounter. If they had conducted their search separately then I think Spock's odds sound pretty reasonable, but they were often very near one another during the search, meaning that if one of them encountered the Horta, there was a good chance the other would be nearby, and that would raise the odds of both of them being killed. I.e. a priori odds made the chances higher.
For a guy who is unemotional logical passvie Spock is hilairous
Kirk was always low-key trolling Spock
I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!
Never tell me the odds... Oh wait wrong place :p
This clip can explain why Star Trek is the best.
lol, i love them!
I love how Spock mentions the odds and they are, of course, accurate.
0:14 Isn’t that Commodore Wesley from “The Ultimate Computer” on the near end?
Yes, as Giotto!
@@sarahfullerton6894 He looks a lot taller when he’s sitting in the captain’s chair of a starship.😁
i love them SO MUCH
I always wondered why engineering and security wore red shirts. Maybe Ross Dress for less had a sale and Star Fleet couldn't resist. Or maybe Star Fleet couldn't get enough government funding so they had to scrimp.
This is the answer
That might be the reason Kirk got his shirt torn so often. Cheap quality.
'ol Cpt. Kirk & his oft barely stifled laughter in some serious scenes.
..sounds unprofessional at 1st glance..but irl..it is indeed, spot on.
"Never tell me the odds!" - Han Solo
Ever notice how the guys in the red shirts were always got killed... Except for Scottie.
Scott was in Engineering not Security.
Mom & dad, I just got hired by Star Fleet.
Doing what honey?
I'm going to be a security officer on the Enterprise.
Mom & dad, why are you posting all my stuff for sale on Ebay?
Ever notice how that is almost never the case?
“The grip of the narrative”, as John Scalzi would say.
FISBIN!
Honestly, 2000 something to one are not that great odds when it's something you don't really need to do.
I like so much this series !!!!!👌💎 thanks Lucille Ball 💖
I always wondered when odds were quoted if there were any mathematicians that are being quoted or it's strictly made up.
in any case we know the red shirts are toast. I liked how Spock hesitated when Kirk said they should split up and Kirk starts walking down the tunnel and Spock watches him until he's almost out of sight and then he goes down his tunnel (I also noticed that Kirk said Spock should take the tunnel on the left and he'll take the tunnel on the right, but they are both going in the opposite tunnel direction (Kirk Left and Spock Right)
I also liked how when the tunnel collapsed Spock starts shouting "Jim.....JIM!" Yes Spock your brother "T'hyla" needs you. Gotta love it :D
Lily, Here's a little trivial information for you. When William Shatner was in one of the tunnels, he received news that his Father had just passed away. Instead of quitting and leaving right away, he insisted on staying and finishing filming production on this episode, The Devil In The Dark.
@@danbasta3677 wow
Completely made up.
The direction thing is because Shatner is stage trained.
And contrary to popular perception, red shirts had a pretty good chance of survival. Barely any died in this episode. Blue shirts did most of the dying in the series over all. The misconception of the red shirt curse is, as usual, from one single episode (not this one) in which twelve red shirts died, which is very unusual for this series.
And watch those Red-Shirts scatter !
From the assignments shown in the scene, it looks like each search team is composed of 4 men. That means there are at most, 19 four-man teams (to keep the total searchers under 100) plus a team consisting of Kirk and Spock. If each team has an equal probability of encountering the creature, then each team has a 1/20 probability of encountering the creature. Further assume each team member has a probability of dying during the encounter equal to any other member of that team (1/4 for four man teams, 1/2 for Kirk and Spock. Kirk and Spock have a 1/20 chance of encountering the creature and the chances of both being killed are 1/5 x 1/5, the probability of Kirk and Spock dying are 1/5000. The true probability is less than this since there is some probability that an encounter will not result in any fatalities. If there is a 50-50 chance of a fatal encounter, then the odds are cut in half or 1 in 2500. So Spock’s estimate is reasonable, though I don’t see how he could give such a precise probability if the number of searchers is “approximately” 100.
Spocks emontional i beg your pardon sir
@ 1:14 "...you and *me...", Spock. "...you and *me...".
Does anyone know how he calculated these odds? I've tried even using methods I know are wrong and still can't get what he came up with. I refuse to believe that the writers didn't just ask someone to calculate something as simple as this real quick if they in fact couldn't lol.
The method he used was reading the script that the writers wrote for him.
I don’t believe they put any math into it at all.
@@neilkurzman4907 And that is disappointing.
I hate when TV programmes pretend that some detail has meaning when it is complete fluff. Especially when it could give depth to the world building.
I especially hate when it is factually wrong. This most often happens with simple mathematical things, but also with history, geography, physics, biology, psychology, even philosophy.
It's like the writers don't even care about their own craft, and about everybody knowing that they don't.
Or maybe they think that the audience is as stupid as them and like to rub their noses into how they don't deserve any effort.
And the worst part is that people believe whatever nonsense makes it to the screen. Especially when other writers blindly copy it for their own scripts, reinforcing those falsehoods.
commander giordo or whatever his name was is on the episode of the M5 computer, commanding one of the other starships
Giotto. The "other" guy was Commodore Robert Wesley.
Fast rise in Star Fleet! Hahahaha 😅
@@sarahfullerton6894 My head canon was always that Giotto was Wesley's lookalike brother or cousin.
@@marcusalexander7088 great idea! Or, identical twin, separated at birth, and raised by separate adoptive families.
@@sarahfullerton6894 Exactly. Or maybe twins and there was a divorce and one kid went with the Mom and one with the Dad and took their last names.
After season 1, there were plans to produce "A Very Special Horta Christmas Show" that apparently got canned because of the foam-rubber shortage at the time. Anyone have a copy of the script for this show? Rumors swirled that the show would feature a Gorn dressed up as Santa - with green Orion slave girls as the elves. A must-watch TV show to be sure.
Hahahaha 😅
There’s no way for Spock or anyone to be able to calculate odds for a unique event.
Pretty good odds until one realized that the entire group that just left were wearing red shirts!
Oh, since when did danger to either or both of them ever stop Kirk before? :D
@fortress1133 No, they got Scotty too once.
I don't know how good Spock's betting odds are. One Hundred red shirts for the picking and the horta finds both of them? Stick to chess.
They both almost get killed in every episode! In fact they both got attacked right after this conversation.
8 red shirt extras.
None stood a chance.
But life gets in the way of even our best intentions 😊
Never tell me the odds!
Spocc
Red shirted
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You don't like Spirk i take it. Well I do, and so does the creator of this video. Kindly leave us alone about it.
Spock.
@@danielwilliamson6180 Kirk + Spock = Spirk or K/S, you're welcome. 😏
@@KreativeSpinnerin WitchyWoman1024 mispronounced Spock as 'Spirk'.
@@danielwilliamson6180 she didn't mispronounce it, Spirk is the short Form for the Slash Pairing of Kirk and Spock.
@@KreativeSpinnerin Sorry. I got out of bed earlier and I was half awake and I popped on to check my notifications before going back to bed.
Wonder if George Lucas watched this scene at all...
Kirk's lame excuse is lame. Extremely lame.
really? an unknown creature is killing your crew & only takes a few seconds to do it--you'd really would want to capture it? sorry it's shoot first ask questions later guess you never served
Ironically, their odds of surviving were exactly the same as all those red shirts odds of dying
Never tell me the odds!