I agree on not being able to "believe" extreme angles. I recently ran into this, measuring the angle with my pencil and transferring to my paper... I kept wanting to change it, as I felt it couldn't possibly be so extreme an angle.
Thank you so much Steven. I am new to perspective drawing, and after two of your videos. I found 4 mistakes out of 6. I didn’t get the first one, because I thought we were looking at the corner of a street. And I imagined they had a back garden 😂 Again thank you so much, it is really helpful :)
This is so good to hear Elisabeth! Being able to see and learn from our mistakes is a huge way we accelerate our improvement. Keep at it, and have fun! 😀
Wow. When you pointed out the first one Steven, it looked so obvious. I perceived the front of building on the right to be at an angle to the front of the building on the left. I got the foreshortening on the right for the building and people, but missed the eye level. I picked up the roof angles, but missed the lights and rooves vanishing points. That was a very good tutorial video mate. Well done. Cheers.
Same! I find it amazing how "off" a drawing can be and our brain will accept it and make sense of it anyway... kind of makes you realize how much flexibility there is in your artwork to be a bit off and not have to worry about it, if anything it might keep the viewers attention longer as the brain tries to make sense of it.. like the error adds interest!
For me, the effect of the two sides going out in opposite directions made the two fronts feel as though they curved in a horseshoe, and yet all the line work and objects were saying they were in a straight line. It created an inconsistency which I found unsettling, whereas the correct alignment felt flat and calm. 😀
I've been drawing and taking courses on drawing for a while, heck I've even complete a masters in architecture and had drawing courses in my foundational years, and still no one has ever been able to explain perspective as good as you. Thank you so much for sharing these videos with us, they are so greatly appreciated.
8:21 marker - Another, very helpful, eye opening educational moment! Thank you so much. I saw 4 out of the 6 errors, I am learning so much, so thankful you made genuine perspective videos. These are a god-send for me in my learning development in drawing. I truly appreciate your time, talent and patience in providing such great “learning to draw” content. It is tremendously helpful and I am grateful to have found your videos.
All but the first one (the most important, arguably :D)! I guess in the case of the perspective error, I imagined a vertical line cross-sectioning the center lightpost in front of the fence, but then the building on the left and the right wouldn't be drawn horizontal to the eye level, but angled downward to the left or right VP for the left or building, respectively? At any rate, thank you for all your perspective no-nonsense videos!
Thanks JW. Because I only started drawing just before COVID, I haven’t had much chance to do this myself. Sydney had a lot of lockdowns. But since my technique on TH-cam is direct pen on paper, it would still work for location sketching. Or I think it should. 😀
Whoopee! I'm on the right track. I guess it must have been real hard for you to draw that odd drawing! I have difficulty with perspectives on cylinder or circular shapes- any chance you could do something similar for those shapes?
Glad it was helpful Martin. I’ve just posted a video to celebrate my first million views on TH-cam with my considered top three tips from all the advice/ teaching that I’ve given in over 470 videos. Have a look if you’re interested. 😀
Is the "angle problem", so to speak, why it's difficult to get roof lines right consistently? In practicing drawing a street scene, say, of a long, narrow street with two roof lines converging to the vanishing point, I've found that even when I dot the end point and the beginning point just to get a sense of the angle, and do a contour of one of the roof lines, it STILL seems easy to wander off the right angle. It takes practice, for sure.
I think it’s harder when we have fewer lines on the page, and if some of the ones we have are at too shallow angles, it makes it even harder to draw other ones correct. I think being aware that I want to make them too shallow helps me guard against it, but it’s still very hard. 😀 All the best with it. 😀
This is so useful, Stephen! Thank you so much. OK, where did you get those little strips of paper! So often my vanishing point goes off my page and I have a hard time making sure everything meet up. Thank you!
I always find that on higher parts of the buildings I end up going more parallel because the extreme angles don't look right. Should we just go ahead with those extreme angles or is there a way to confirm their accuracy?
I measure the angle of virtually every perspective line I draw with my pen, place a dot, check, repeat till I’m happy I’ve got it right, then draw the line, and then check again usually. That especially includes the upper lines. If you persevere doing it, they will look correct eventually. What you do is of course up to you, but I would encourage you to give it a go for a bit. I have a number of perspective videos which demonstrate this technique. 😀
I have a two point perspective images that I cannot get the rules to work with. The VP works to EL on one side but not the other side. Its as if there are two EL and I know that is not true. It is really bugging me because I thought from watching all your videos that I had it in my head.
I agree on not being able to "believe" extreme angles. I recently ran into this, measuring the angle with my pencil and transferring to my paper... I kept wanting to change it, as I felt it couldn't possibly be so extreme an angle.
It’s like we’re all fooled by some sort of optical illusion. At least we know to disregard our first assessment. 😆
Thank you so much Steven. I am new to perspective drawing, and after two of your videos. I found 4 mistakes out of 6.
I didn’t get the first one, because I thought we were looking at the corner of a street. And I imagined they had a back garden 😂
Again thank you so much, it is really helpful :)
This is so good to hear Elisabeth! Being able to see and learn from our mistakes is a huge way we accelerate our improvement. Keep at it, and have fun! 😀
Wow. When you pointed out the first one Steven, it looked so obvious. I perceived the front of building on the right to be at an angle to the front of the building on the left. I got the foreshortening on the right for the building and people, but missed the eye level. I picked up the roof angles, but missed the lights and rooves vanishing points. That was a very good tutorial video mate. Well done. Cheers.
Same! I find it amazing how "off" a drawing can be and our brain will accept it and make sense of it anyway... kind of makes you realize how much flexibility there is in your artwork to be a bit off and not have to worry about it, if anything it might keep the viewers attention longer as the brain tries to make sense of it.. like the error adds interest!
For me, the effect of the two sides going out in opposite directions made the two fronts feel as though they curved in a horseshoe, and yet all the line work and objects were saying they were in a straight line. It created an inconsistency which I found unsettling, whereas the correct alignment felt flat and calm. 😀
Well done. I hoped it might have been a helpful approach to look at probably already familiar material. 😀
I've been drawing and taking courses on drawing for a while, heck I've even complete a masters in architecture and had drawing courses in my foundational years, and still no one has ever been able to explain perspective as good as you. Thank you so much for sharing these videos with us, they are so greatly appreciated.
Thanks Alexandra for telling me. It’s encouraging to hear. I’m glad they’ve been helpful for you. 😀
8:21 marker - Another, very helpful, eye opening educational moment! Thank you so much. I saw 4 out of the 6 errors, I am learning so much, so thankful you made genuine perspective videos. These are a god-send for me in my learning development in drawing. I truly appreciate your time, talent and patience in providing such great “learning to draw” content. It is tremendously helpful and I am grateful to have found your videos.
There seem to be a lot of unhelpful perspective videos about. Glad mine were helpful. 😀
All but the first one (the most important, arguably :D)! I guess in the case of the perspective error, I imagined a vertical line cross-sectioning the center lightpost in front of the fence, but then the building on the left and the right wouldn't be drawn horizontal to the eye level, but angled downward to the left or right VP for the left or building, respectively? At any rate, thank you for all your perspective no-nonsense videos!
Thank you so much Stephen. Just wonderful. Do you think you could do some plein air demonstrations too?
Thanks JW. Because I only started drawing just before COVID, I haven’t had much chance to do this myself. Sydney had a lot of lockdowns. But since my technique on TH-cam is direct pen on paper, it would still work for location sketching. Or I think it should. 😀
Whoopee! I'm on the right track. I guess it must have been real hard for you to draw that odd drawing! I have difficulty with perspectives on cylinder or circular shapes- any chance you could do something similar for those shapes?
Yes, it was. If you look at my perspective playlist you will find videos on that. 😀
Thank you for a clear explanation.
Glad it was helpful!😀
Thanks Stephen, amazing work!!
Glad it was helpful Martin. I’ve just posted a video to celebrate my first million views on TH-cam with my considered top three tips from all the advice/ teaching that I’ve given in over 470 videos. Have a look if you’re interested. 😀
@@stephentraversart Congratulations, now I´ll take a look at it. Thank you for the valuable information.
Is the "angle problem", so to speak, why it's difficult to get roof lines right consistently? In practicing drawing a street scene, say, of a long, narrow street with two roof lines converging to the vanishing point, I've found that even when I dot the end point and the beginning point just to get a sense of the angle, and do a contour of one of the roof lines, it STILL seems easy to wander off the right angle. It takes practice, for sure.
I think it’s harder when we have fewer lines on the page, and if some of the ones we have are at too shallow angles, it makes it even harder to draw other ones correct. I think being aware that I want to make them too shallow helps me guard against it, but it’s still very hard. 😀 All the best with it. 😀
2 out of 6. Sigh. I failed the test, but I learned a lot :-)
Never mind. You’ll get full marks when you’re ready for the retest. 😀
Terrific breakdown, very practical 👏
Glad it was a helpful format Layne. 😀
This is so useful, Stephen! Thank you so much. OK, where did you get those little strips of paper! So often my vanishing point goes off my page and I have a hard time making sure everything meet up. Thank you!
Thanks Shannon. I just made them from a cardboard folder and coloured them with markers. Extremely low-tech - like me!🤣
@@stephentraversart that’s perfect for me!! Thanks!
I always find that on higher parts of the buildings I end up going more parallel because the extreme angles don't look right. Should we just go ahead with those extreme angles or is there a way to confirm their accuracy?
I measure the angle of virtually every perspective line I draw with my pen, place a dot, check, repeat till I’m happy I’ve got it right, then draw the line, and then check again usually. That especially includes the upper lines. If you persevere doing it, they will look correct eventually. What you do is of course up to you, but I would encourage you to give it a go for a bit. I have a number of perspective videos which demonstrate this technique. 😀
I got 4 out of 6. Missed separate eye levels and the two point perspective
Well done David. Go to the top of the class! Hope it’s helped your drawings and their perspective. 😀
Love your teaching style. Has helped me understand perspective
I have a two point perspective images that I cannot get the rules to work with. The VP works to EL on one side but not the other side. Its as if there are two EL and I know that is not true. It is really bugging me because I thought from watching all your videos that I had it in my head.
Did you take the photo? Is is rotated and cropped at all? I learnt the hard way this totally throws off finding eye level etc. 😀
It's not my photo do not sure if it has been squashed