I’m must admit I used the rope technique, but at that time, I didn’t know better, and thankfully, my mare automatically lay down without never fighting it. But now that I do know better, I’m very ashamed of the way she learned. And thank you for this video :)
Thank you so much for commenting ☺️! I’ve seen lots of old footage of it being used! Thankfully this day it’s not seen as much! But it does still happen to many horses nowadays!
I loved this Lauren! I've always used my voice as an aid and was taught to train this way before it was even given a 'title' (natural horsemanship, liberty etc). It was just what I was taught as good horsemanship, that you never force a horse to do anything, and you use your voice as a reward to help the horse understand.
I believe the video in question was intended to be used on a horse who is aggressive and dominant. If your horse is submissive and already well trained with ground work manors then this video is most helpful. The other technique is intended for horses that charge, bite etc. and need to be taught that the owner indeed is alpha. Always should be done with patience and a trainer!
The rope method is very old fashioned. Sadly confess that tying up a front leg is something that I am familiar with. It was taught to me more than forty years ago. (Yes, I am that old.) It never became something I used.
The cowboy wasn't trying to make a trick horse. On working ranches they don't have all week to feed treats and pussy foot around and bribe their horses, they have a job to do. I have laid down horses that took very well to the rope technique with no fight at all including a wild mustang, others not so much. The wild mustang totally trusted me after laying her down with David's technique. Depends on their DNA. One horse I never did get laid down with the rope technique but their was no abuse involved. He was working with a dangerous horse that needed an attitude adjustment, had a bad attitude that was going to hurt someone if not taken care of not a cute pet situation.
I want to teach my horse to bow and I watched a few vids with the rope method. That you for putting in perspective how risky that first method is, not only to your hose physically, but emotionally as well. You could try this and lose any trust you’ve gained!
Yesss I've been wanting a trick training series from you for ages even before this Mackey trick challenge series 😂 maybe if some tricks don't come up in the Mackey one you could show some more?
I think I just got sick watching these rope videos. You can clearly see how stressed the second one is even after being exposed to it before. It breathes so quickly.
I agree. The technique of trying to get the horse to bring in his hind legs and buckle the front legs didn't work for me or my gelding Algot. He got confused because the cues were similar to what I used to make him bow. I tried wetting him but I think I didn't give him enough of a soak. On the weekend I'll give him a full bath (needs one anyway 😁) and then walk with him in the round pen until he makes his move! Eventually he'll get it.
There is definitely always more than one way to do anything. I'm not sure I see any practical purposes for wanting your horse to lay down on command. It also seems pretty apparent that different genres of horse people exist, the cowboy types see their animals as tools or instruments, where the recreation rider seems to consider them pets. I don't think either methods has any inherit moral superiority, but judging by this comment section I would be in the minority there. Either way, interesting thoughts and commentary. Last thing, that is not what it looks like to force a horse to lay down, it's just a different incentive structure.
The cowboys in the video that you showed, was a video on how to lay down the wild horse. Not on how to trick train. Please don't misrepresent what we real horseman do.
*Yikes* to that rope technique! I taught my mare a sort of bow when she was younger and I used a rope to lift her foot (not wrapped round her belly) - but I got really confused holding it and giving a whip cue, so in the end I just used a polomint treat and asked her to lower her head and rock back... Still a bow! Less force! Many mints..
I totally hear you in reference to simply teaching a horse to lay down. The ONLY ONLY reason someone should ever maybe consider “the rope lay down” is for aggressive horses it’s NOT for teaching a horse to lay down . Its to change the power dynamic with an aggressive or dangerous horse who will s struggling to except the human as alpha. A small community has voiced it to be useful for anxious horses to supposedly “face their fears” but I’m not sure how accurate or beneficial of a technique it is for that tho.
Do you always have to have the whip around to get Boo to perform her tricks or can you just tap her belly? I've taught my horse a few different tricks (like smiling, handshake, bow) that I can just ask for in the field without any prep and he will do them. I'm interested in teaching my horse to lay down but I don't want to always need a whip to get him to perform it.
I just thought this was a quawincadence i got a new shetland recently im irish apple and my shetland milly both have greay patches on their right both the same colour and simular markings
This clip is very upsetting to watch how cruel this cowboy is arghhhh hate hobbling you can clearly see how stressful these poor horses are going through! Your technique is so natural and you don’t make them do it where as hobbling is just awful. Your a kind natural trainer Lauren thank you for sharing the kindest way. 😎
To everyone who thinks the cowboy is teaching a trick cause that’s what the narrator has claimed is not the case that horse was aggressive and looking at a future of being dangerous to be handled by anyone which includes the filly herself. This is not abuse it is a last ditch effort to get the horse with the program so she/he can have a productive, healthy, safer, more trusting relationship with humans. Sorry just can’t stand people talking crap about things they have no clue why they are talking about. Smh
I taught my mini with a different method (it was like almost a stretching thing) basically I just had a carrot and asked him to put his head down and got him comfy and he just laid down but that isn’t working for my other horse so I’m gonna try this tomorrow
I have started rewarding my boy when he goes to roll in the field. He's learning very quickly that I want something however he is very distracted knowing that I have treats. What should I do?
I love you Lauren!!! You are so inspiring I'm so doing this with my two boys!!! 😭😭🦄 The force techniques had me cringing it is just so uncomfortable 😣😣😣
@@LaurenAllport my bay gelding already knows the knee bending trick and my chestnut has already nailed the Holly Lenahans smile so I'm so keen to try this one!!! 😊🦄
I have a question for you young lady! I am trying to teach my mare to lie down and have been cuing both the legs and the underbelly as if I were a fly. Trying to kick in their natural instinct to kick at the fly ect ect. But she is just ignoring my tickles on ALL legs AND belly. Can you help?
I kind of want to try this now. I have been looking for a good method to have my horse to lay down just for the fun of it but I didn’t want to use ropes to tie the horse
She was extremely professional about it. She explained _why_ she felt it was unnecessarily dangerous to the animal and human without insulting the people who choose to use those methods. You don't have to agree with someone else's methods to be professional.
I think it’s very unprofessional to take other people’s videos with out their permission and criticize them. You can talk about methods you don’t agree with or why you prefer your own method without taking footage that doesn’t belong to you.
That video wasn't a trick training it was training a wild unbroken horse but I guess when you buy 50 thousand dollar English horses you wouldn't know that.
"Wild and unbroken" except she allowed ropes to be put on them in the first place. Doesn't seem very "wild" to me. That being said, forcing a horse to the ground as a "training" method to force "submissive" behavior, makes zero sense. In the first first video, he compares it to dogs laying down in a submissive manner. Horses don't do that. Equine and canine behavior are not even on the same plane, so that alone is a dangerous comparison. Horses, when they submit, walk away from situations. They lay down, when they're either very tired, or in such a state of panic they give up. Forcing it is detrimental, and does nothing but create fear.
Please add captions? Or subtitles? For those of us hard of hearing/deaf, no lips to read... Would love to really be able to know about everything you are saying and sharing such interesting information but some of us cannot gain all the knowledge you are sharing without captions!
I’m not dead or hard of hearing but my parents are. I’m so used to closed captioning that I have it set up on all my devices. If you tap the video, on the far right corner it says CC on/off. I’m watching this video with captions.
@@LaurenAllport sorry I’ve only just seen your reply. I started with my boy end of last summer, bathing him and taking him to his favourite rolling spot and he’s quite happy to roll and stay down, relaxed with me down there with him, loving all the fuss and praise. Then I had to stop for the winter as I didn’t want to wash him in the cold. I’ve started again with him now and he has picked it straight back up. My problem is when I try to add in a cue so he does it on “command” rather than just when he wants to, he just stops. He’s not wary of the stick in any way he just stops. Should I try a voice cue instead ? Cut the stick out all together or should I keep trying with the stick ? I’m not touching him with it just going as though to tap him in the girth area ? Help 🙈 p.s he is only 2 so I keep it short and sweet his attention span is very short !!
i teach my doggy tricks and i remember teaching her to lay down and role X'D shes so funny when she realy wants a treat honestly i think all riderds and trainers and animal ppl should learn basic psychology
@@brandonwalton4977 actually no I don't, if I had said something hateful or tried to say that I knew about something that I clearly don't then your statement would've been warranted. But I did neither of those things, I was simply stating how the rope method made me feel. I didn't call it abuse, which most everyone has on this post so I'm confused as to why you felt the need to come at my comment. I still stand by my original statement and I'll add that I would not use the old force method to train a horse to lay down. So now I think you need to follow your own advice and think before you speak or comment!
Honestly I think you should remove this video the sheer fact that you think this method is to teach a horse to lay down speaks volume about your experience level. It’s not a good look to people who actually know how to start colts, really train green horses and do real training everything I have seen so far just shows how narrow your training knowledge is as in continuing the education of what is already considered a push button horse with a wealth of excellent training as seen with the show jumping… Not trying to be rude or shame you like you are doing to the cowboy (who clearly is very experienced demonstrating the lay down with excellent technique) just being honest. If you were one of my students, family or friend I’d tell them the same thing. It’s ignorant, uneducated, and 100% assumptions that are false. To prove my point I’d love to hear what YOUR method of training would be to correct a horse that is known to charge, kick and bite it’s handler????
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I’m must admit I used the rope technique, but at that time, I didn’t know better, and thankfully, my mare automatically lay down without never fighting it.
But now that I do know better, I’m very ashamed of the way she learned. And thank you for this video :)
Thank you so much for commenting ☺️! I’ve seen lots of old footage of it being used! Thankfully this day it’s not seen as much! But it does still happen to many horses nowadays!
I loved this Lauren! I've always used my voice as an aid and was taught to train this way before it was even given a 'title' (natural horsemanship, liberty etc). It was just what I was taught as good horsemanship, that you never force a horse to do anything, and you use your voice as a reward to help the horse understand.
Such a great principle ☺️ thank you for watching and commenting as always 🥰🥰
I believe the video in question was intended to be used on a horse who is aggressive and dominant. If your horse is submissive and already well trained with ground work manors then this video is most helpful. The other technique is intended for horses that charge, bite etc. and need to be taught that the owner indeed is alpha. Always should be done with patience and a trainer!
The rope method is very old fashioned. Sadly confess that tying up a front leg is something that I am familiar with. It was taught to me more than forty years ago. (Yes, I am that old.) It never became something I used.
The cowboy wasn't trying to make a trick horse. On working ranches they don't have all week to feed treats and pussy foot around and bribe their horses, they have a job to do. I have laid down horses that took very well to the rope technique with no fight at all including a wild mustang, others not so much. The wild mustang totally trusted me after laying her down with David's technique. Depends on their DNA. One horse I never did get laid down with the rope technique but their was no abuse involved. He was working with a dangerous horse that needed an attitude adjustment, had a bad attitude that was going to hurt someone if not taken care of not a cute pet situation.
Anybody else’s heart feel all warm and fuzzy any time you see Boo? It’s an immediate reaction now after watching them both for so long.
it looks like the old fashioned way can be called abuse
Yes I agree!
@@LaurenAllport i suspected :) but youre very careful with your words which is smart
How is it abuse?
@@brandonwalton4977 tying and forcefully teaching a horse something is wrong dangerous and even abusive
I want to teach my horse to bow and I watched a few vids with the rope method. That you for putting in perspective how risky that first method is, not only to your hose physically, but emotionally as well. You could try this and lose any trust you’ve gained!
Yesss I've been wanting a trick training series from you for ages even before this Mackey trick challenge series 😂 maybe if some tricks don't come up in the Mackey one you could show some more?
I think I just got sick watching these rope videos. You can clearly see how stressed the second one is even after being exposed to it before. It breathes so quickly.
I agree. The technique of trying to get the horse to bring in his hind legs and buckle the front legs didn't work for me or my gelding Algot. He got confused because the cues were similar to what I used to make him bow. I tried wetting him but I think I didn't give him enough of a soak. On the weekend I'll give him a full bath (needs one anyway 😁) and then walk with him in the round pen until he makes his move! Eventually he'll get it.
There is definitely always more than one way to do anything. I'm not sure I see any practical purposes for wanting your horse to lay down on command. It also seems pretty apparent that different genres of horse people exist, the cowboy types see their animals as tools or instruments, where the recreation rider seems to consider them pets. I don't think either methods has any inherit moral superiority, but judging by this comment section I would be in the minority there. Either way, interesting thoughts and commentary. Last thing, that is not what it looks like to force a horse to lay down, it's just a different incentive structure.
Could you make a video on how to help spooky horses?
have you asked a good local trainer for help? you might be able to get some tailored tips from someone who can actually see the horse in real life :)
You should check out fair horsemanship's youtube channel she has a video about helping spooky horses! She really helped my high strung mare !
The cowboys in the video that you showed, was a video on how to lay down the wild horse. Not on how to trick train. Please don't misrepresent what we real horseman do.
*Yikes* to that rope technique! I taught my mare a sort of bow when she was younger and I used a rope to lift her foot (not wrapped round her belly) - but I got really confused holding it and giving a whip cue, so in the end I just used a polomint treat and asked her to lower her head and rock back... Still a bow! Less force! Many mints..
I totally hear you in reference to simply teaching a horse to lay down. The ONLY ONLY reason someone should ever maybe consider “the rope lay down” is for aggressive horses it’s NOT for teaching a horse to lay down . Its to change the power dynamic with an aggressive or dangerous horse who will s struggling to except the human as alpha. A small community has voiced it to be useful for anxious horses to supposedly “face their fears” but I’m not sure how accurate or beneficial of a technique it is for that tho.
Do you always have to have the whip around to get Boo to perform her tricks or can you just tap her belly? I've taught my horse a few different tricks (like smiling, handshake, bow) that I can just ask for in the field without any prep and he will do them. I'm interested in teaching my horse to lay down but I don't want to always need a whip to get him to perform it.
You can use your finger and tap, I've seen people do that also, or just a voice command! 🥰
I love your vids and all the horses 🐎🐴❤️
I just thought this was a quawincadence i got a new shetland recently im irish apple and my shetland milly both have greay patches on their right both the same colour and simular markings
Hahaha matching ponies 😍
I love this, I used your old video years ago to teach my horse that it was okay to stay down. aka, lots of treats :D. Love the updated video.
Thank you ☺️
I love Apple 🥺 She’s just tooooo cute !!! She learned so fast! I am going to start continuing to teach Coco to roll ;)
This clip is very upsetting to watch how cruel this cowboy is arghhhh hate hobbling you can clearly see how stressful these poor horses are going through! Your technique is so natural and you don’t make them do it where as hobbling is just awful. Your a kind natural trainer Lauren thank you for sharing the kindest way. 😎
To everyone who thinks the cowboy is teaching a trick cause that’s what the narrator has claimed is not the case that horse was aggressive and looking at a future of being dangerous to be handled by anyone which includes the filly herself. This is not abuse it is a last ditch effort to get the horse with the program so she/he can have a productive, healthy, safer, more trusting relationship with humans. Sorry just can’t stand people talking crap about things they have no clue why they are talking about. Smh
👍👍❤️I love your little pony it is so adorable🐴🥕🥕
Thank you so much Debbie ☺️
Love this method!! I’ve been using it on my horse for a month or two now!
Boo is so fab! Love her❤️ you’ve done a great job with her and apple is coming along so nicely xx
I can’t wait to try this!
I taught my mini with a different method (it was like almost a stretching thing) basically I just had a carrot and asked him to put his head down and got him comfy and he just laid down but that isn’t working for my other horse so I’m gonna try this tomorrow
I have started rewarding my boy when he goes to roll in the field. He's learning very quickly that I want something however he is very distracted knowing that I have treats. What should I do?
Clicker train
This made me super motivated! I'm definitely gonna try this with my mare 😊
superROSkamGIRL thank you 😍
I love watch your videos so much❤❤❤ I learn so much from your videos❤
7:23 it’s not bribery it’s reinforcing a behavior you want more of
I love you Lauren!!! You are so inspiring I'm so doing this with my two boys!!! 😭😭🦄 The force techniques had me cringing it is just so uncomfortable 😣😣😣
thank you so much
@@LaurenAllport my bay gelding already knows the knee bending trick and my chestnut has already nailed the Holly Lenahans smile so I'm so keen to try this one!!! 😊🦄
I have a question for you young lady! I am trying to teach my mare to lie down and have been cuing both the legs and the underbelly as if I were a fly. Trying to kick in their natural instinct to kick at the fly ect ect. But she is just ignoring my tickles on ALL legs AND belly. Can you help?
I kind of want to try this now. I have been looking for a good method to have my horse to lay down just for the fun of it but I didn’t want to use ropes to tie the horse
Spent way too much time talking crap on other trainers that use old fashioned methods. Was a complete turn off and super unprofessional
Yep
"Old fashioned" is suddenly a fancy word for abusive I guess.
She was extremely professional about it. She explained _why_ she felt it was unnecessarily dangerous to the animal and human without insulting the people who choose to use those methods. You don't have to agree with someone else's methods to be professional.
This was sooo helpful😊 But I'm pretty sure that my gelding is a lost cause😅
Thank you!
The rope method is so dangerous
What do you do if your horse won't roll on a lead? I dont live with them so it is quite hard for me to be there when they roll etc
Just try to get close to them without a rope on, after you’ve been with them a few times they usually will be comfortable to do it with a rope on ☺️
I want to teach my horse!
omg early
thanks for watching :D
That poor second horse just gave up when he pulled him down 😩
I think it’s very unprofessional to take other people’s videos with out their permission and criticize them. You can talk about methods you don’t agree with or why you prefer your own method without taking footage that doesn’t belong to you.
That video wasn't a trick training it was training a wild unbroken horse but I guess when you buy 50 thousand dollar English horses you wouldn't know that.
Training a wild unbroken horse can be done without horribly abusive and dangerous methods!
"Wild and unbroken" except she allowed ropes to be put on them in the first place. Doesn't seem very "wild" to me. That being said, forcing a horse to the ground as a "training" method to force "submissive" behavior, makes zero sense. In the first first video, he compares it to dogs laying down in a submissive manner. Horses don't do that. Equine and canine behavior are not even on the same plane, so that alone is a dangerous comparison. Horses, when they submit, walk away from situations. They lay down, when they're either very tired, or in such a state of panic they give up. Forcing it is detrimental, and does nothing but create fear.
Please add captions? Or subtitles? For those of us hard of hearing/deaf, no lips to read... Would love to really be able to know about everything you are saying and sharing such interesting information but some of us cannot gain all the knowledge you are sharing without captions!
I’m not dead or hard of hearing but my parents are. I’m so used to closed captioning that I have it set up on all my devices. If you tap the video, on the far right corner it says CC on/off. I’m watching this video with captions.
Excuse me Ty Nitty not David
Have you ever had a horse/pony that you couldn’t get a lie down with ?
No .. with time consistency and patience all horses can learn (provided they are healthy etc)
@@LaurenAllport sorry I’ve only just seen your reply. I started with my boy end of last summer, bathing him and taking him to his favourite rolling spot and he’s quite happy to roll and stay down, relaxed with me down there with him, loving all the fuss and praise. Then I had to stop for the winter as I didn’t want to wash him in the cold. I’ve started again with him now and he has picked it straight back up. My problem is when I try to add in a cue so he does it on “command” rather than just when he wants to, he just stops. He’s not wary of the stick in any way he just stops. Should I try a voice cue instead ? Cut the stick out all together or should I keep trying with the stick ? I’m not touching him with it just going as though to tap him in the girth area ? Help 🙈 p.s he is only 2 so I keep it short and sweet his attention span is very short !!
It uses force and it is dangerous
Hi everyone 😊
thanks for watching :)
i want a horse ;-;
i teach my doggy tricks and i remember teaching her to lay down and role X'D shes so funny when she realy wants a treat
honestly i think all riderds and trainers and animal ppl should learn basic psychology
This was so so distressing. Poor ponies :(
The rope method just made me so anxious! 😳 all I can imagine is a leg being broken or something being torn....
The chances of that happening is very slim. You might want to do some research and think before you speak
@@brandonwalton4977 actually no I don't, if I had said something hateful or tried to say that I knew about something that I clearly don't then your statement would've been warranted. But I did neither of those things, I was simply stating how the rope method made me feel. I didn't call it abuse, which most everyone has on this post so I'm confused as to why you felt the need to come at my comment. I still stand by my original statement and I'll add that I would not use the old force method to train a horse to lay down. So now I think you need to follow your own advice and think before you speak or comment!
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Honestly I think you should remove this video the sheer fact that you think this method is to teach a horse to lay down speaks volume about your experience level. It’s not a good look to people who actually know how to start colts, really train green horses and do real training everything I have seen so far just shows how narrow your training knowledge is as in continuing the education of what is already considered a push button horse with a wealth of excellent training as seen with the show jumping… Not trying to be rude or shame you like you are doing to the cowboy (who clearly is very experienced demonstrating the lay down with excellent technique) just being honest. If you were one of my students, family or friend I’d tell them the same thing. It’s ignorant, uneducated, and 100% assumptions that are false. To prove my point I’d love to hear what YOUR method of training would be to correct a horse that is known to charge, kick and bite it’s handler????
It is horrible 😳
Hows it horrible I don't see anything wrong with the 2 male trainers