imagine 7 year olds: "Yeah, so Isabella, you're marrying a guy today," "What's marriage again?" "Oh, just stick around till he dies and you'll find out."
Fun Fact: Richard II and Anne of Bohemia did consummate their marriage. In a letter written to her brother, Anne expressed her grief over having a miscarriage. This was in about 1384.
It could be argued that her pregnancy is not evidence of consummation but of an ‘arrangement’ between the king and queen for her to take a lover, but there’s no evidence of that and it’s pure speculation
I think I speak for all of us when I say that I need a detailed video on The War of the Roses. How the seeds of hatred began, who started the physical fight and so much more. I think it's so interesting
There are a few-such videos on TH-cam, but most of them are terrible. Mainly b/c the wars were not a factional dispute, as is often claimed, nor did they start w/ the deposition of Richard II. They began in earnest during the reign of Henry VI, who inherited the crown as a child. Normally, after a long regency/protectorship such as his, he would begin taking on a personal rule. But even as an adult, he was mentally ill, being prone to catatonic episodes where he could not perform the duties expected of him. This left a vacuum of power; all his uncles were dead, & there was no clear heir to the throne (albeit plenty of contenders). His wife, Margaret of Anjou, did her best to take on Henry's duties. She even managed to become pregnant w/ a son & heir, tho. the child's paternity is often debated. However, she was not an able administrator, relying on cronyism. She was also a woman, & French to boot. Between misogyny, nativism, & her own incompetency, Margaret became *very* unpopular. Enter Richard of York, the richest man in England & a potential heir to the throne. During some of the King's catatonic fits, he was able to get himself named Lord Protector. He was of sounder mind than the King, but he favored an unwinnable war w/ France. But inevitably, Henry would recover, Margaret would take control of government again, & undo everything Richard tried to do. This went back-&-forth a few times (Richard was, at one point, able to get himself named Prince of Wales & heir-apparent), but after a while Richard realized there was nothing more he could accomplish as merely a Lord Protector. He decided to claim the Kingship, relying on his tenuous descent from Edward III's second-surviving son. The nobles were divided about Richard's claim. They conceded his descent was not spurious, but many felt that he & his family *really* should have put forward this claim sooner, if they wanted to be taken seriously. After all, 3+ generations had passed, the Lancastrians had held the throne for 3 generations, everyone had already sworn oaths to King Henry, & more importantly, Henry had already been crowned & anointed king. Still, many others saw an opportunity to side w/ Richard; lands, opportunities, & royal favor they did not presently possess. So the war began. Richard died early on, but his son Edward was more successful, winning the crown on two separate occasions. Henry VI's second defeat was his worst; his son was killed & the battlefield & he himself was murdered while at prayer. W/ no one else to oppose him, Edward IV reigned relatively peacefully for more than a decade.
Part 2: However, not everything was all-clear for Edward, mainly regarding his marriage. He married, secretly, to a woman belonging to the English gentry class, Elizabeth Woodville. Edward was forced to reveal this *just* as his largest supporter was arranging his marriage to a French princess. This alienated Edward from his followers, as they were made to look like fools. Even Edward's brother George of Clarence turned against him & tried to claim the crown himself. But while the initial controversy blew over, the long-term ramifications stayed; Elizabeth came from a huge family, & all her 12 surviving siblings, along w/ her children from her 1st marriage, had to be given good marriages & positions at court. Other families became resentful over all the royal favor shown to the up-jumped Woodvilles. Edward IV died peacefully, in his own bed, leaving 2 minor sons & a few daughters. He left the crown to his eldest son, also named Edward, & named his last surviving brother Richard of Gloucester as Lord Protector. Richard of Gloucester was in a bind. He was afraid the Woodvilles would have undue influence over the young King, & he also knew that once his nephew came of age, he would be blamed for any Woodville mismanagement. His other option was even worse; Parliament had offered *him* the crown, & he knew that by taking it, he would be betraying the children he had sworn to protect. He decided to take Parliament's offer, using tenuous evidence to declare his brother's children illegitimate, usurping the crown to become Richard III. His nephews were probably murdered on his orders; he was their protector & controlled access over the tower where they were held, & he had every opportunity to produce the boys alive to counter claims he had them killed, yet never did. The boy's mother was understandably distressed about the fate of her sons. She began writing to Margaret Beaufort, the mother of the Lancastrian claimant in exile, Henry of Richmond. While her sons were imprisoned, her daughters were left alive; Elizabeth offered her eldest daughter, also named Elizabeth, in marriage to Henry as part of an alliance to depose Richard III. Margaret, knowing she would never see her son again otherwise, agreed. Other Yorkists, loyal to Edward IV but not Richard III, soon joined in on this conspiracy, as they did not believe Richard's claims that Edward's children were illegitimate. Even Richard's erstwhile ally, the Duke of Buckingham, betrayed him. The rebellion, later named Buckingham's rebellion, started off as a rebellion to restore Edward V to the throne, until it became clear he & his brother were dead, thereupon it became a rebellion in the name of Henry of Richmond. Richard, for his part, was looking for a second wife, & had begun negotiations with King John II of Portugal. Richard would marry John's sister, Joana, & his niece Elizabeth would marry John's cousin Manuel (the future Manuel I of Portugal). Henry of Richmond, who had promised to marry Elizabeth himself, knew it was now or never, & thus planned an invasion.
Part 3: The Bosworth campaign was actually pretty simple. Henry of Richmond landed in Wales & started drawing support, based in-part on his paternal Welsh ancestry (tho. he probably could not speak Welsh himself). Still, his force was outnumbered by Richard's, who was now gathering his forces against him. Henry wasn't much of a military commander, compared to Edward IV. He left those affairs to his ally, the Earl of Oxford. Richard, in comparison, was a seasoned warrior who probably felt more at home on the battlefield than in court politics. Both men were relying on the support of a 3rd party; Lord Stanley. Stanley was ostensibly a Yorkist. He & his brother had relentlessly switched sides during the early stages of the conflict. When one brother was a Yorkist, the other was a Lancastrian. Thus, they secured their family's survival. Stanley was married, at the time, to Margaret Beaufort, Henry's mother, but Richard III had given him control over his wife's lands. As a result, Stanley was a man of divided loyalties. Richard correctly suspected Stanley was in contact with Henry, & so threatened to execute Stanley's son. Stanley dryly responded that he had other sons, & refused to change course. When the battle itself started, Stanley himself took no part, not committing his force to either side. Henry's forces were doing badly, & Richard saw an opportunity to end the battle then-&-there by personally killing Henry in the field. Richard charged at Henry's personal guard, & even killed his standard-bearer. Stanley's *brother* William, at this precise moment, decided to throw-in for Henry, & attacked Richard from behind. Richard was killed, & Henry was proclaimed King Henry VII by right of conquest. Henry VII marched on London, & immediately assumed the Kingship. He kept his promise by marrying Elizabeth of York, but he waited a few months to actually do so; he wanted to establish that he was king in his own right, not a jure-uxorious Yorkist king. Plus, the new royal couple needed time to get to know each other. Given their son Arthur was born around 8 months after the wedding, its likely they were engaging in (gasp) premarital sex. It was a famously happy marriage, at least for Henry. He is recorded no bastards nor affairs after marrying Elizabeth, & after she died, he did not marry again. This was unusual for a renaissance monarch, & shows his particular attachment to her. In any case, Henry was an effective king, for the most part. While he developed a reputation for miserliness late in his reign, his policies were broadly effective. That his claim was weak was not really all that important; Henry VI & Edward IV both had strong claims, but were undone for various reasons. Henry VI for his mental illness (which Henry VII thankfully did not inherit), & Edward IV for his disastrous marriage (which Henry VII did not repeat).
A similar fate befell the children of Geoffrey II, duke of Brittany, when John Lackland became King of England. Geoffrey was John's older brother, so his son Arthur had a theoretically better claim than John. Richard the Lionhearted had even named Arthur his heir, on occasion, but he named John as heir on his deathbed, probably b/c he knew John was an adult & Arthur a child, & nothing would stop John from becoming King. Even so, Arthur contested John's succession, & died under 'mysterious circumstances' (John probably murdered him). Arthur's sister Eleanor was condemned to a tower, where she later died.
E.Woodville is a distant relative of mine. One of my sister's and I have deep red hair and very white skin. Elizabeth was also called the White Queen of England because of her white skin, she was also known for her beautiful red hair.
@@ladyjanegrey1671 i think that the perkins boy was really her brother. I wish they would just do the DNA on the skeletal remains they have so we at least know if it was them or not. they have their uncles remains. do a match....
@@ivorybluesky I very much doubt that they lived they wouldn’t of had a clue about the plots. They were just children. And apparently from the state of their skeletons. People think they were murdered But I do agree that they should try and find out.
@@ivorybluesky Perkin was not her brother. We have evidence (historical records and his own confession) that he was actually the son Katherine de Faro and John Osbeck, the comptroller to the city of Tournai. Perkin was simply a conman, someone who decided to chance it and see if he could become king. You have to admire his ambition, I guess, but I can't stand conmen, so I feel little sympathy for him. Conmen (and women) often prey on the bereaved and desperate. Just think of modern "psychics" and "mediums" - they prey on those who have lost loved ones, those who are desperate to have some form of communication with their loved ones again, and they use known manipulative tactics (such as cold reading and hot reading, Barnum statements, and more) to convince their gullible audience that they actually possess detailed knowledge of people whom they've never met. This is exactly what Perkin Warbeck did - he used manipulative tactics to convince Elizabeth (and others) that he possessed detailed knowledge of the boys' lives, knowledge that only they would have known. And he was able to do this because, like a modern psychic or medium conning the recently bereaved, he was taking advantage of Elizabeth's desperation to see her brothers again. People who have suffered loss and tragedy are more susceptible to the kind of manipulative tactics that conmen (like modern psychics and Perkin Warbeck) use. They make it seem as though they are in contact with the dead (in the case of mediums), or know things about people they've never met (like psychics), or are the dead (like Perkin Warbeck), but that's not the case - they're just utilising the same manipulative psychological tactics that conmen have used for millennia. His tactics didn't work on Henry VII because Henry hadn't suffered the same tragedy as Elizabeth, and so wasn't primed to be as susceptible to Perkin's lies. So we can wholly confirm that Perkin was simply a pretender to the throne, as we have enough evidence that this is the case. The tragic truth is that the boys were almost certainly murdered.
Ofc you do, if you didnt die so young, the wars of the roses may have been avoided. Frankly if either you or Edward the Black Prince had lived a lil longer your respective sons may not have been such screw ups...
I’m not trying to be picky here and it’s going to look like I am. Queen Anne was a very pious Queen and gave a lot to charities and went out personally to help. Most all the bad things about her are made up and it all started with her wanting money from the Churches to help the poor. I’m not saying she didn’t have any thing to do with the horror that happened with the churches and monks. I think she was misled about what would happen with the money.
Imagine being a teenager and your father just comes up to you and says "Elizabeth your getting married pack your things" lol EDIT: Shout-out to Tyrant-Den, I meant to type "You're". Not "Your" thanks for pointing it out 😉
Well....that’s how it was for most of history. You didn’t even have to be a teenager. Richard, the younger prince in the tower, was married at age four!
"Richard replied that each day would rectify that problem, that it was an advantage as he would then be able to shape her in accordance with his ideal"
@@selimnagisokrov Looked the author up. Not convinced, given his other books. One source isn’t. But, I will keep looking into it. Have never heard that before, that he felt that way in any thing else I’ve read. He was always very kind to his wives. And not a creep.
Welcome to Family Feud. I'm your host Willy Orange. We have a good one here for you today We've got the York family going against the Lancaster family.
The Beauforts were considered to be part of the House of Lancaster, but were actually more closely related to the Yorks by the time of the War of the Roses because Joan Beaufort was the grand mother of Edward IV, Richard III and their siblings.
Joan Beaufort who married Ralph Neville was an ancestress of both Cecily Neville and Ralph Neville the king maker. But the Tudors trace their descent from John Beaufort, son of John of Gaunt and Joan's brother. They were the Somersets, intensely loyal to the house of Lancaster. Just like Henry VI 's half brothers Jasper and Owen Tudor were very loyal to him. Both sides , Lancaster and York, were closely interrelated.
Mary! Elizabeth, Robert Dudley, Francis Drake, and King Richard III are declaring war against my mother. Do you think you could spare me some assistance?
Jaquetta Rivers! You HAVE to do a video about the woman who was said to have been descended from a water goddess, who was named a witch twice in her lifetime, who very likely met Joan of Arc, and who went from being married to the most powerful Duke in England to marrying his squire, to becoming mother to the Queen of England.
Would it be possible to do a video about King Arthur folklore please? I think it’d be really interesting to discuss the theories about where Camelot is and where Arthur was buried
I'm absolutely *LOVING THIS SERIES!!* To be honest, I love this channel more then anything. I get lost in the beauuutiful information and I end up feeling bigger then just myself! 💖💖💖
Great video. Thank you. I have such a fascination with this time period during The Wars Of The Roses. The struggle for the throne between York and Lancaster, Edward and Elizabeth's marriage for love, the enduring mystery of the missing princes, Richard III's final destiny, the loves, passions and conflicts of the people who lived through it. Human beings like us today. My fascination courtesy of the brilliant author and historian Philippa Gregory. My particular interest are Elizabeth Woodville and her daughter Elizabeth Of York. Remarkable and amazing Women!
Here's some funny info. My maternal grandfather was descended from Henry VII.Several hundred years later, my great grandfather settled in Lancaster,Pennsylvania where my mother was born. She married my father who was from York,Pennsylvania. Sort of neat.
10:22 Random friend: Samuel, what do you want to do on your birthday? Samuel: I wanna kiss a dead queen! Random friend: .... Samuel: Gonna kiss it so hard....
these ladies did try and suceed. Lady Margaret and The dowager Queen suceeded but Elizabeth most likey lived with much sadness and regret over her boys...... all four of them.
I remember a video about a secret female dynasty that technically have lasted for 1000. Basically, half of the queens of Europe come from the same humble house in France
Hi Anne! I’m kinda in a desperate situation right now...so, Elizabeth, Robert Dudley, and Francis Drake are declaring war against my mother. Do you think you can help me?
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I MISSED ALMOST TWO PARTS, DANG YOU DERHAM FOR DISTRACTING ME BY TELLING ME TO THROW FRUIT SNACKS IN THE AIR AND CATCH THEM IN MY MOUTH.
KATHERINE!! Elizabeth, Francis and Robert are declaring war on my mother. Do you think you could help me out? I know we don’t really get along, but please. I’m desperate
Humphrey: "I'm scared that a new king will take my regency away, so Imma make a law that says no one can marry the queenie." Queenie's kid with the butler Years later: "Okay, we'll make our own dynasty then." History is always drastically changed by some regents not wanting to give up the big seat. Which when you think about it, is really petty, because they really aren't required, or were born to be there. It's like...."who are you?"
Richard Duke of York, head wasn’t put on a spike at the Tower of London. It was put on a spike on Micklegate Gate Bar in York After the battle of Wakefield.
@@stephendise7946 I’m so glad you’re be sarcastic because I was genuinely confused for a second. And while there where black figures back then, not all significant historical figures were black, though some are up for debate like Queen Charrotte
You have probably heard of this already and maybe seen it. There is a BBC comedy series from the 80s called Blackadder which goes through different time periods in British history. Mainly involving the Royal family. I think it is something you would appreciate.
Really good video, as usual. Just one minor complaint. Anjou is located in Western France, not in Provence, as per the map you used. But I really did enjoy this video, and all your videos
I really like your series of history videos. However, within this video I noticed a few historical inaccuracies - 6:20 - Joan of Navarre was actually Queen of England 1403-1413. Then at 14:38 this was actually Edward IV, not Henry IV. Then at 16:18 Elizabeth Woodville was queen from 1464-1470 and 1471-1483.
I remember that comic strip, (the name escapes me now, it’s been a looonnngg time), where the assistant says “Sire, the peasants are revolting”! And the king says “yes, they are”!.
soooo interesting, this almost makes me want to double major or minor in late medieval/Tudor history (i'm a design student). I looooove your videos, Lindsay!!!!
Henry the 8th was not the only son of Henry 7th & his wife Elizabeth. His older brother was Arthur-who married Katherine. Shortly after Arthur's death, his little brother (Henry 8th) married her. It would be nice if you didn't gloss over history. That first marriage was the reason Henry sought to divorce Katherine and marry Anne Boleyn-and leave Rome.
Where did she say Henry VIII was an only son? She's gone into detail about Henry VII & VIII and their families in multiple other videos. The first marriage was one of excuses Henry used to try to put Catherine aside, but it was not the only one, and it was evidently not a problem for him for the first sixteen years of their life together.
14:38 It is Edward IV not Henry IV. Henry iv was Henry Bolingbroke. Elizabeth Woodville and Edward were probably never legally married.There were no witnesses ,only her mother Jacqetta claimed she was there.The Woodvilles were a shady bunch.Which is why Warwick and Richard disliked them.
There were two ladies in waiting as witnesses. They were legally married, but he had a precontract which would have made this null and void. The Woodvilles were no more shady than any other noble family, this myth is rooted in pure classism.
now the question is, how soon is this series going to be out of date by the death of prince phillip, if he even is still alive in two weeks time when the last episode airs
Thought the treatment of Richard III would a bit more even handed. While by no means a saint, he was a man of his time and was loyal to his brother up until his final breath.
I agree with you. But this video had such a baffling amount of mistakes in it, I don't think it's worth getting worked up over it or attempt a discussion over anything that was said in it. It'd be a waste of time.
War of the Roses are red,
My smothered nephews are blue,
I'd wait 500 years under a car-park,
Just for you,
Do you have any fees to pay for being parked there for so long?
RICHARD!
😂
ANYWAYS- ✨
@@queenelizabethwoodville8285 lol
imagine 7 year olds:
"Yeah, so Isabella, you're marrying a guy today,"
"What's marriage again?"
"Oh, just stick around till he dies and you'll find out."
Lmaooooo{Underrated comment btw
Fun Fact: Richard II and Anne of Bohemia did consummate their marriage. In a letter written to her brother, Anne expressed her grief over having a miscarriage. This was in about 1384.
@KateHope13 Yes, at least one in 1384. Some have hypothesized more, but that’s the only one we have any proof about.
True.
Awww
It could be argued that her pregnancy is not evidence of consummation but of an ‘arrangement’ between the king and queen for her to take a lover, but there’s no evidence of that and it’s pure speculation
Did Anne and Richard II really consummated their union?🤔
I think I speak for all of us when I say that I need a detailed video on The War of the Roses. How the seeds of hatred began, who started the physical fight and so much more. I think it's so interesting
I SECOND THIS IDEA!!
There are a few-such videos on TH-cam, but most of them are terrible. Mainly b/c the wars were not a factional dispute, as is often claimed, nor did they start w/ the deposition of Richard II.
They began in earnest during the reign of Henry VI, who inherited the crown as a child. Normally, after a long regency/protectorship such as his, he would begin taking on a personal rule. But even as an adult, he was mentally ill, being prone to catatonic episodes where he could not perform the duties expected of him. This left a vacuum of power; all his uncles were dead, & there was no clear heir to the throne (albeit plenty of contenders).
His wife, Margaret of Anjou, did her best to take on Henry's duties. She even managed to become pregnant w/ a son & heir, tho. the child's paternity is often debated. However, she was not an able administrator, relying on cronyism. She was also a woman, & French to boot. Between misogyny, nativism, & her own incompetency, Margaret became *very* unpopular.
Enter Richard of York, the richest man in England & a potential heir to the throne. During some of the King's catatonic fits, he was able to get himself named Lord Protector. He was of sounder mind than the King, but he favored an unwinnable war w/ France. But inevitably, Henry would recover, Margaret would take control of government again, & undo everything Richard tried to do.
This went back-&-forth a few times (Richard was, at one point, able to get himself named Prince of Wales & heir-apparent), but after a while Richard realized there was nothing more he could accomplish as merely a Lord Protector. He decided to claim the Kingship, relying on his tenuous descent from Edward III's second-surviving son.
The nobles were divided about Richard's claim. They conceded his descent was not spurious, but many felt that he & his family *really* should have put forward this claim sooner, if they wanted to be taken seriously. After all, 3+ generations had passed, the Lancastrians had held the throne for 3 generations, everyone had already sworn oaths to King Henry, & more importantly, Henry had already been crowned & anointed king.
Still, many others saw an opportunity to side w/ Richard; lands, opportunities, & royal favor they did not presently possess. So the war began. Richard died early on, but his son Edward was more successful, winning the crown on two separate occasions. Henry VI's second defeat was his worst; his son was killed & the battlefield & he himself was murdered while at prayer. W/ no one else to oppose him, Edward IV reigned relatively peacefully for more than a decade.
Part 2:
However, not everything was all-clear for Edward, mainly regarding his marriage. He married, secretly, to a woman belonging to the English gentry class, Elizabeth Woodville. Edward was forced to reveal this *just* as his largest supporter was arranging his marriage to a French princess.
This alienated Edward from his followers, as they were made to look like fools. Even Edward's brother George of Clarence turned against him & tried to claim the crown himself. But while the initial controversy blew over, the long-term ramifications stayed; Elizabeth came from a huge family, & all her 12 surviving siblings, along w/ her children from her 1st marriage, had to be given good marriages & positions at court. Other families became resentful over all the royal favor shown to the up-jumped Woodvilles.
Edward IV died peacefully, in his own bed, leaving 2 minor sons & a few daughters. He left the crown to his eldest son, also named Edward, & named his last surviving brother Richard of Gloucester as Lord Protector.
Richard of Gloucester was in a bind. He was afraid the Woodvilles would have undue influence over the young King, & he also knew that once his nephew came of age, he would be blamed for any Woodville mismanagement. His other option was even worse; Parliament had offered *him* the crown, & he knew that by taking it, he would be betraying the children he had sworn to protect.
He decided to take Parliament's offer, using tenuous evidence to declare his brother's children illegitimate, usurping the crown to become Richard III. His nephews were probably murdered on his orders; he was their protector & controlled access over the tower where they were held, & he had every opportunity to produce the boys alive to counter claims he had them killed, yet never did.
The boy's mother was understandably distressed about the fate of her sons. She began writing to Margaret Beaufort, the mother of the Lancastrian claimant in exile, Henry of Richmond. While her sons were imprisoned, her daughters were left alive; Elizabeth offered her eldest daughter, also named Elizabeth, in marriage to Henry as part of an alliance to depose Richard III. Margaret, knowing she would never see her son again otherwise, agreed.
Other Yorkists, loyal to Edward IV but not Richard III, soon joined in on this conspiracy, as they did not believe Richard's claims that Edward's children were illegitimate. Even Richard's erstwhile ally, the Duke of Buckingham, betrayed him. The rebellion, later named Buckingham's rebellion, started off as a rebellion to restore Edward V to the throne, until it became clear he & his brother were dead, thereupon it became a rebellion in the name of Henry of Richmond.
Richard, for his part, was looking for a second wife, & had begun negotiations with King John II of Portugal. Richard would marry John's sister, Joana, & his niece Elizabeth would marry John's cousin Manuel (the future Manuel I of Portugal). Henry of Richmond, who had promised to marry Elizabeth himself, knew it was now or never, & thus planned an invasion.
Part 3:
The Bosworth campaign was actually pretty simple. Henry of Richmond landed in Wales & started drawing support, based in-part on his paternal Welsh ancestry (tho. he probably could not speak Welsh himself). Still, his force was outnumbered by Richard's, who was now gathering his forces against him.
Henry wasn't much of a military commander, compared to Edward IV. He left those affairs to his ally, the Earl of Oxford. Richard, in comparison, was a seasoned warrior who probably felt more at home on the battlefield than in court politics. Both men were relying on the support of a 3rd party; Lord Stanley.
Stanley was ostensibly a Yorkist. He & his brother had relentlessly switched sides during the early stages of the conflict. When one brother was a Yorkist, the other was a Lancastrian. Thus, they secured their family's survival. Stanley was married, at the time, to Margaret Beaufort, Henry's mother, but Richard III had given him control over his wife's lands. As a result, Stanley was a man of divided loyalties.
Richard correctly suspected Stanley was in contact with Henry, & so threatened to execute Stanley's son. Stanley dryly responded that he had other sons, & refused to change course.
When the battle itself started, Stanley himself took no part, not committing his force to either side. Henry's forces were doing badly, & Richard saw an opportunity to end the battle then-&-there by personally killing Henry in the field. Richard charged at Henry's personal guard, & even killed his standard-bearer.
Stanley's *brother* William, at this precise moment, decided to throw-in for Henry, & attacked Richard from behind. Richard was killed, & Henry was proclaimed King Henry VII by right of conquest.
Henry VII marched on London, & immediately assumed the Kingship. He kept his promise by marrying Elizabeth of York, but he waited a few months to actually do so; he wanted to establish that he was king in his own right, not a jure-uxorious Yorkist king. Plus, the new royal couple needed time to get to know each other.
Given their son Arthur was born around 8 months after the wedding, its likely they were engaging in (gasp) premarital sex. It was a famously happy marriage, at least for Henry. He is recorded no bastards nor affairs after marrying Elizabeth, & after she died, he did not marry again. This was unusual for a renaissance monarch, & shows his particular attachment to her.
In any case, Henry was an effective king, for the most part. While he developed a reputation for miserliness late in his reign, his policies were broadly effective. That his claim was weak was not really all that important; Henry VI & Edward IV both had strong claims, but were undone for various reasons. Henry VI for his mental illness (which Henry VII thankfully did not inherit), & Edward IV for his disastrous marriage (which Henry VII did not repeat).
There's a few on youtube already. Watch the TIMELINE series
Elizabeth Woodville is one of my favourite Queen consort of this time. The fate of her sons is so sad
A similar fate befell the children of Geoffrey II, duke of Brittany, when John Lackland became King of England. Geoffrey was John's older brother, so his son Arthur had a theoretically better claim than John.
Richard the Lionhearted had even named Arthur his heir, on occasion, but he named John as heir on his deathbed, probably b/c he knew John was an adult & Arthur a child, & nothing would stop John from becoming King.
Even so, Arthur contested John's succession, & died under 'mysterious circumstances' (John probably murdered him). Arthur's sister Eleanor was condemned to a tower, where she later died.
Elizabeth Woodville is one of my favorites too!
She brought that on them
@@firstnamelastname4249 no they were taken when she and her family were hiding them.
E.Woodville is a distant relative of mine. One of my sister's and I have deep red hair and very white skin. Elizabeth was also called the White Queen of England because of her white skin, she was also known for her beautiful red hair.
You teach me more history in 20 minutes than documentaries that are one or two hours long.
I'd say that's a great thing, it's just that there are many glaring inaccuracies here...
Ikr
Me: *has a project due in 1 hour*
Lindsay: *uploads*
Me: I guess that project can wait
always!!!! I am either held up by Lindsay or Claire Ridgway lol my A-D-D is like "work? school work?-- history!!!- Squirrel!"
Don’t neglect your studies!
Lol same
i've actually found that listening to these helps me study better!
Sometimes I wonder if the Princes in the Tower just said “screw this” and escaped to live out their lives as commoners.
And then when they tried to see their sister, her husband beheaded them.
@@ladyjanegrey1671 i think that the perkins boy was really her brother. I wish they would just do the DNA on the skeletal remains they have so we at least know if it was them or not. they have their uncles remains. do a match....
@@ivorybluesky I very much doubt that they lived they wouldn’t of had a clue about the plots. They were just children. And apparently from the state of their skeletons. People think they were murdered But I do agree that they should try and find out.
@@constantemerald3712 I don't think Edward was naive about what was happening. richard killed his half brother.
@@ivorybluesky Perkin was not her brother. We have evidence (historical records and his own confession) that he was actually the son Katherine de Faro and John Osbeck, the comptroller to the city of Tournai.
Perkin was simply a conman, someone who decided to chance it and see if he could become king. You have to admire his ambition, I guess, but I can't stand conmen, so I feel little sympathy for him. Conmen (and women) often prey on the bereaved and desperate. Just think of modern "psychics" and "mediums" - they prey on those who have lost loved ones, those who are desperate to have some form of communication with their loved ones again, and they use known manipulative tactics (such as cold reading and hot reading, Barnum statements, and more) to convince their gullible audience that they actually possess detailed knowledge of people whom they've never met. This is exactly what Perkin Warbeck did - he used manipulative tactics to convince Elizabeth (and others) that he possessed detailed knowledge of the boys' lives, knowledge that only they would have known. And he was able to do this because, like a modern psychic or medium conning the recently bereaved, he was taking advantage of Elizabeth's desperation to see her brothers again. People who have suffered loss and tragedy are more susceptible to the kind of manipulative tactics that conmen (like modern psychics and Perkin Warbeck) use. They make it seem as though they are in contact with the dead (in the case of mediums), or know things about people they've never met (like psychics), or are the dead (like Perkin Warbeck), but that's not the case - they're just utilising the same manipulative psychological tactics that conmen have used for millennia. His tactics didn't work on Henry VII because Henry hadn't suffered the same tragedy as Elizabeth, and so wasn't primed to be as susceptible to Perkin's lies.
So we can wholly confirm that Perkin was simply a pretender to the throne, as we have enough evidence that this is the case.
The tragic truth is that the boys were almost certainly murdered.
The names are finally starting to get a bit creative, although there are many Annes and Elizabeths
And Margarets and Marys
Haha just wait until henry 8. He married a lot of Cathrin’s 🙈
Among Elizabeth of York's younger sisters were Princess Cicely and Princess Bridget.
Hrmph...They were certainly no Aelfgifus smh
@@neilbuckley1613 and their mother,aunts,and grandmothers Bridgets and Cecilys
Hooray, i get a cameo again!
Well you had to go & achieve the greatest victory in English History & then die just before the French King !
What was that about ; )
Yay
Ofc you do, if you didnt die so young, the wars of the roses may have been avoided. Frankly if either you or Edward the Black Prince had lived a lil longer your respective sons may not have been such screw ups...
@Mike signs I mean😂😂😂😂
@Mike signs at least edward vi has no son to screw up haha
"don't hate the player, hate the game" -margaret beaufort
Hehe, she taught this to her grandson Henry VIII
When you play the Game of Thrones you either win, or you die.......
"anne was popular with the people, despite never having given birth to an heir"
*hmm, anne boleyn, are you taking notes here?*
I’m not trying to be picky here and it’s going to look like I am. Queen Anne was a very pious Queen and gave a lot to charities and went out personally to help.
Most all the bad things about her are made up and it all started with her wanting money from the Churches to help the poor. I’m not saying she didn’t have any thing to do with the horror that happened with the churches and monks. I think she was misled about what would happen with the money.
yes, but the people didn't care tho
@@jencookie2920 I know.😞 it’s really sad.
She could never overcome the popularity of Catherine. It reminds me of Di and Camilla.
Boleyn did have an heir, just wasn't a male
Can't wait for the Tudors - 6/7 Queen consorts had the bad luck to be married to Henry VIII
Lol
I'm pretty sure that every Tudor Queen (consort or regnant) was miserable.
The other had the bad luck to give birth to him.
Same
5/8?
Imagine being a teenager and your father just comes up to you and says "Elizabeth your getting married pack your things" lol
EDIT: Shout-out to Tyrant-Den, I meant to type "You're". Not "Your" thanks for pointing it out 😉
Well....that’s how it was for most of history. You didn’t even have to be a teenager. Richard, the younger prince in the tower, was married at age four!
@@SungSNam oh yeah. WAIT 4?!
@@SungSNam WAIT WHAT?!?!?!?
@@jonesvideo80 yes.........it’s in Lindsay’s vid 3twisted tales of royal exhumation
@@SungSNam oh yeah.
My respect for Richard for not grooming the 7-year-old Isabella
He didn’t have to. She was his wife. But if you mean wait, it wasn’t that unusual. But they did have a nice relationship and he treated her very well.
"Richard replied that each day would rectify that problem, that it was an advantage as he would then be able to shape her in accordance with his ideal"
@@selimnagisokrov Right. Where did you see that. 🙄
@@mangot589 Hamilton, Jeffrey (2010). The Plantagenets: History of a Dynasty. Continuum.
@@selimnagisokrov Looked the author up. Not convinced, given his other books. One source isn’t. But, I will keep looking into it. Have never heard that before, that he felt that way in any thing else I’ve read. He was always very kind to his wives. And not a creep.
0:37 Can we admire that me and Victoria were the presentation of love? Thank you Lindsay! ;)
Sup Albert
@@jonesvideo80 heyyy!
Hey Albert. How’s life?
@@jamescharcoal3472 how's Victoria
Hello Albert! How’s Victoria doing?
This has “my teacher has a hangover and can’t deal with us so here we are” vibes all over it.
Yess
Definitely need a video on Margaret Beaufort & what a strategic genius she was.
Welcome to Family Feud. I'm your host Willy Orange. We have a good one here for you today We've got the York family going against the Lancaster family.
OMG HII ORANGE WILLIE SUPREMACY
Gimme Henry! Gimme Edward!
Now then, we’ve asked 100 English citizens; top four answers are on the board. “Who is the rightful king of England?”
@@SEGASister (hits buzzer) Henry!
Face the wall, Yorkists.
Ahhhh shit my family and henry's family again
The Beauforts were considered to be part of the House of Lancaster, but were actually more closely related to the Yorks by the time of the War of the Roses because Joan Beaufort was the grand mother of Edward IV, Richard III and their siblings.
Joan Beaufort who married Ralph Neville was an ancestress of both Cecily Neville and Ralph Neville the king maker. But the Tudors trace their descent from John Beaufort, son of John of Gaunt and Joan's brother. They were the Somersets, intensely loyal to the house of Lancaster. Just like Henry VI 's half brothers Jasper and Owen Tudor were very loyal to him. Both sides , Lancaster and York, were closely interrelated.
@@cinnow Hence why, at the time, this conflict was known as 'The Cousins' War.'
@@lexiburrows8127 Yes,They Were Both Branches(Cousins)Of The Plantagenet Dynasty.
Take a drink every time someone named Edward or Henry is mentioned, you'll be drunk halfway through the video... lol
Omg don’t even lol I spent yesterday night trying to make my three wasted friends stay alive😭
Her videos are awesome ; her soothing voice is calming
Absolutely!
So true
Mhm
@@lucifermorningstar-k2f Your Majesty, (bows)
@@Hello-yq8kk
Thank you 😊 How are you?
I Love this newest collection of amazing stories! I’m a loyal Patreon and subscriber forever!
I'm enjoying this series so much. Thank you for this
The next episode would be our era! I can't waaaait! 😍😍😍
Mary! Elizabeth, Robert Dudley, Francis Drake, and King Richard III are declaring war against my mother. Do you think you could spare me some assistance?
Mary, hello!
These comments are weird. Why pretend to be these people!?
@@DeniseF sound the "it's a joke" alarm
@@bonglobster yeah clearly but it's still weird lol
You need to make a video about Elizabeth woodville and margaret beaufort relationship, i think it's very interesting
probably a love hate thing but much needed alliances especially for Lady Margaret.
Jaquetta Rivers! You HAVE to do a video about the woman who was said to have been descended from a water goddess, who was named a witch twice in her lifetime, who very likely met Joan of Arc, and who went from being married to the most powerful Duke in England to marrying his squire, to becoming mother to the Queen of England.
@@orlennmurphy6843 Did you read Lady Ricers? 😂❤️
I love these videos. They’re so much easier to follow than some other ones out there. Thank you!
Keeping up with the Elizabeths
( there were only two?)
You are really early
Feels like there’s been more lol
hello Elizabeth!
Omg wow you’re early 😂 How are you, Elizabeth?
@@lucifermorningstar-k2f yeah she’s very early like always!
Would it be possible to do a video about King Arthur folklore please? I think it’d be really interesting to discuss the theories about where Camelot is and where Arthur was buried
oh my god yes!! I'm so interested in the Arthurian legends, is there a show I can watch that depicts all the mythology clearly?
@@obsessivefangirl5055 Merlin is quite good but a little bit dramatised :( there’s not a lot really about Arthurian folklore tbh
@@PennyWenny224 yeah I thought so about Merlin. What about the shows Camelot, the mists of Avalon and Merlin 1998? Any idea?
that would be epic
This is someone from the future, your idea was good
I'm absolutely *LOVING THIS SERIES!!* To be honest, I love this channel more then anything. I get lost in the beauuutiful information and I end up feeling bigger then just myself! 💖💖💖
Ikr
Great video. Thank you. I have such a fascination with this time period during The Wars Of The Roses. The struggle for the throne between York and Lancaster, Edward and Elizabeth's marriage for love, the enduring mystery of the missing princes, Richard III's final destiny, the loves, passions and conflicts of the people who lived through it. Human beings like us today. My fascination courtesy of the brilliant author and historian Philippa Gregory. My particular interest are Elizabeth Woodville and her daughter Elizabeth Of York. Remarkable and amazing Women!
Here's some funny info. My maternal grandfather was descended from Henry VII.Several hundred years later, my great grandfather settled in Lancaster,Pennsylvania where my mother was born. She married my father who was from York,Pennsylvania. Sort of neat.
No wealth of course!!
Which of Henry VII's children was he descended from?
That’s ironic, but cool.😎😌
@@JeffGeorge666 one 9f the illegitimate ones.
10:22
Random friend: Samuel, what do you want to do on your birthday?
Samuel: I wanna kiss a dead queen!
Random friend: ....
Samuel: Gonna kiss it so hard....
And he like- holds his fist in front of his face dramatically and gives one lady quiet “so hard”
imagine how the world would be different if females were dominant instead:
The Wars of the Roses Kings & Consorts of England
these ladies did try and suceed. Lady Margaret and The dowager Queen suceeded but Elizabeth most likey lived with much sadness and regret over her boys...... all four of them.
@@ivorybluesky her oldest son, Thomas Grey, Marquess of Dorset survived her, one of his descendants was Lady Jane Grey.
I remember a video about a secret female dynasty that technically have lasted for 1000. Basically, half of the queens of Europe come from the same humble house in France
The world probably wouldn’t be all that different to be honest. Power and wealth corrupt just as many women, and just as easily, as they do men.
@@ivorybluesky also aethelflead, daughter of Alfred ruled mercia for a while.
“The peasants are revolting, my lord.”
“Of course they are!”
Can’t wait for the Tudor Queens and Consorts ;)
Hey Anne I'm your mother-in-law
Hi Anne! I’m kinda in a desperate situation right now...so, Elizabeth, Robert Dudley, and Francis Drake are declaring war against my mother. Do you think you can help me?
Hey guys! How’s the UK doing?
@@nicholasiiemperorofallruss6754
Good :) Part of my job is to check on it every now and then
@@lucifermorningstar-k2f Stop burning people yeh?
YESSS! I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS EAGERLY FOR THE LAST 2 DAYS! THANK YOU SO MUCH LINDSAYYYYY
Yay, an extra video this week! Thanks, Lindsay! This is always a delightful treat!
At 14:35, instead of saying King Edward IV, she said Henry IV! I love this series I just wanted to point it out! Good luck making the next 4!
I was about to say the same
I wish you’d do a multi part series on War of Roses
Missed a great opportunity to introduce Elizabeth Woodville around the 15 min mark I think. To explain why Warwick was upset with Edward.
Ann's father and her first husband, Edward, were not killed in the same battle as I remember. Warwick died at Barnet, Edward died at Tewkesbury.
Correct
Finally, next week the videos cover the consorts from two of the most interesting periods of the British History : The Tudors and The Stuarts
Catherine Parr: "And Henry V's wife?"
Other queens: "We don't know..."
K. Howard: "Oh, Catherine of Valois!"
...
K. Howard: *"I mean we don't know"*
yass!!! my stem moms and mom are next!!
Richard was no gay, he was bisexual also was supposed to mean their relationship was not "sexual" in this case, Anne was pregnant once.
Interesting.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH I MISSED ALMOST TWO PARTS, DANG YOU DERHAM FOR DISTRACTING ME BY TELLING ME TO THROW FRUIT SNACKS IN THE AIR AND CATCH THEM IN MY MOUTH.
Lol 😝
Lol 😂 HOW DARE YOU, FRANCIS!?
Hi Kathy . Sorry about your head . *Fucking henry *
KATHERINE!! Elizabeth, Francis and Robert are declaring war on my mother. Do you think you could help me out? I know we don’t really get along, but please. I’m desperate
@@elizabethofyork3987
You too, grandmother. Help me, please
14:38 while there rival was crowned King Edward the 4th you mean not Henry 4th.
Another amazing video talking about many remarkable women! I love it! 💗
Catherine of Valois is the great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandmother of Elizabeth II
I LOVE your voice! Very comforting.... Long-time subscriber
Thank you!
Humphrey: "I'm scared that a new king will take my regency away, so Imma make a law that says no one can marry the queenie."
Queenie's kid with the butler Years later: "Okay, we'll make our own dynasty then."
History is always drastically changed by some regents not wanting to give up the big seat. Which when you think about it, is really petty, because they really aren't required, or were born to be there. It's like...."who are you?"
great video as always.
Hi your highness
True Isabella
I'm loving 2 vids a week i can't get enough of these
Richard Duke of York, head wasn’t put on a spike at the Tower of London. It was put on a spike on Micklegate Gate Bar in York After the battle of Wakefield.
Pls be my history teacher 😭
Hi,Can you be my bff/best friend forever
2021 History teacher: “ Dey wuz BLACK”
Y’all done change the paintings!
@@stephendise7946 I guess you thought this was funny??
@@shostysboo Actually I think it’s PATHETIC!!!
Go and look at any English history comment section and you’ll find people talking this ROT!!
😡
@@stephendise7946 I’m so glad you’re be sarcastic because I was genuinely confused for a second.
And while there where black figures back then, not all significant historical figures were black, though some are up for debate like Queen Charrotte
Thanks for including me too ❤️
I love your videos. It’s my guilty pleasure, listening to you talk about royalty.
My dear Lindsay...why must you upload while I’m working? You know I hate being late.
However, I am here now, so that’s alright I suppose
My dear Lord Robert...WHY MUST YOU HELP ELIZABETH IN WAR AGAINST MY MOTHER!?
@@robertdudleyearlofleiceste7874 Sir Francis changed himself to Charles V lol
@@Hello-yq8kk
Lol I know
@@robertdudleyearlofleiceste7874 😂
Hi!
Love these...makes my day
What's funny is that Henry V married Isabella's sister Catherine(Isabella was the oldest daughter and Catherine the youngest)
MY DAY 100x BETTER WHEN LINDAAY POSTS💖💖
Margaret, to Gloucester: "What minion? Can you not?"
*SMACK!*
Minions
Can you imagine if they all trusted each other. Edward and Richard lived. There would be no tudor period.
can you do a video on Margarita Theresa that would be really interesting
I can't wait for the next one the Tudors are the best for me to see in fie days from now
for days left
three days left
two days left
one day left
TODAY!! :)
You have probably heard of this already and maybe seen it. There is a BBC comedy series from the 80s called Blackadder which goes through different time periods in British history. Mainly involving the Royal family. I think it is something you would appreciate.
Most beautiful woman in the island: 👩🦲
Omg I'm so late today, why did she have to upload while I was taking my history test :/
Every time I think I"m gonna get my head around this period of history, I lose my place.
ANYONE ELSE STILL STUCK ON THE NECRO QUEEN KISSER?! Just me?
They had to do me like that 😔
bruh me 2 lmao
I WAS getting over it 🤮
Here before the Queens!
Yeah right 😏
I’m so exited for the Tudors, Hanovers and the Windsors!
The amount of research that goes into these videos... amazing.
Really good video, as usual. Just one minor complaint. Anjou is located in Western France, not in Provence, as per the map you used. But I really did enjoy this video, and all your videos
I really like your series of history videos. However, within this video I noticed a few historical inaccuracies - 6:20 - Joan of Navarre was actually Queen of England 1403-1413. Then at 14:38 this was actually Edward IV, not Henry IV. Then at 16:18 Elizabeth Woodville was queen from 1464-1470 and 1471-1483.
Loving this series!!
👑🤴👸💖💕💯
I remember that comic strip, (the name escapes me now, it’s been a looonnngg time), where the assistant says “Sire, the peasants are revolting”! And the king says “yes, they are”!.
Wizard of Id
@@heathergarnham9555 Thank you!
soooo interesting, this almost makes me want to double major or minor in late medieval/Tudor history (i'm a design student). I looooove your videos, Lindsay!!!!
Will you make a video on how the royal portaits have changed over time?
15:00 those artists really did anne neville dirty
FR WHY SHE LOOK LIKE THAT 😭
this is my favorite time period i’ve been obsessed with it since i was 9
Henry the 8th was not the only son of Henry 7th & his wife Elizabeth. His older brother was Arthur-who married Katherine. Shortly after Arthur's death, his little brother (Henry 8th) married her.
It would be nice if you didn't gloss over history. That first marriage was the reason Henry sought to divorce Katherine and marry Anne Boleyn-and leave Rome.
Where did she say Henry VIII was an only son? She's gone into detail about Henry VII & VIII and their families in multiple other videos. The first marriage was one of excuses Henry used to try to put Catherine aside, but it was not the only one, and it was evidently not a problem for him for the first sixteen years of their life together.
14:38 It is Edward IV not Henry IV. Henry iv was Henry Bolingbroke.
Elizabeth Woodville and Edward were probably never legally married.There were no witnesses ,only her mother Jacqetta claimed she was there.The Woodvilles were a shady bunch.Which is why Warwick and Richard disliked them.
There were two ladies in waiting as witnesses. They were legally married, but he had a precontract which would have made this null and void. The Woodvilles were no more shady than any other noble family, this myth is rooted in pure classism.
I want Elizabeth of York history over all her and her granddaughter Elizabeth 1 are my favorite queens
When are you going to do a video on Mary Queen of Scots?
Here before Catherine!!
I was earlier
Hi Aunt Juana!
Oh my, hi there!
@@queenelizabethiofengland7338 oh shush, ms. lead face paint
@@lucifermorningstar-k2f hello dear
Finally...I understand how the War of the Roses started!!
Catherine of Aragon my gal, if you’re around, it would be an honor if you said hello to me!! 🥺
13:34 He (the son of Richard of York, 3rd. Duke of York) was crowned Edward IV, not Henry IV.
now the question is, how soon is this series going to be out of date by the death of prince phillip, if he even is still alive in two weeks time when the last episode airs
Elizabeth and Margaret really said "War huh what is it good for absolutely nothin"
Hello my history peeps!😀
Just have to say....I love your channel. I watch it almost all the time and everytime I learn something new. Just its so informative and keep it up
Yay! My turn
Hi Elizabeth
Hi Great-Grandmother :D
Hi!
@@jonesvideo80 evening Æthelread
@@queenelizabethiofengland7338 My favourite granddaughter (shh, don’t tell anyone else)
Brava! Great video, as always:)
I know you specialize in European monarchy but can you do a video on Queen Ranavalona, the mad Queen of Madagascar?
You've Made it Up!!!!
You have the best history channel
Thought the treatment of Richard III would a bit more even handed. While by no means a saint, he was a man of his time and was loyal to his brother up until his final breath.
I agree with you. But this video had such a baffling amount of mistakes in it, I don't think it's worth getting worked up over it or attempt a discussion over anything that was said in it. It'd be a waste of time.
14:36 unless I'm very confused (which is possible) I think you meant Edward IV not Henry.