THE TRUTH ABOUT E-COLLARS IN DOG TRAINING || Ivan Balabanov debunks the myths surrounding e-collars
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- THE TRUTH ABOUT E-COLLARS IN DOG TRAINING || Ivan Balabanov debunks the myths surrounding e-collars
Learn how to train your dog using the methods of a 2-time World Champion professional dog trainer! In this dog training lesson, Ivan Balabanov explains the myths surrounding e-collar use that are purported by the force free movement.
Ivan effectively teaches you how and why e-collars are an effective dog training tool. There are many untruths put forth by the positive only dog training movement and in this lesson, Ivan debunks all of the fallacies around the use of electric shock collars.
If you are looking to learn how to use an e-collar in training your dog, this video is a great place to start learning. The two camps of dog trainers, positive only and balanced trainers, both seem to share their beliefs about the use of shock collars, but Ivan is not interested in sharing beliefs, but instead shares the undeniable truth about the use of electric collars.
Whether you are dealing with a puppy that won't listen, a disobedient dog, an aggressive dog, a nervous dog, or a shy dog, Ivan helps you understand how the electric collar can be a benefit in creating the best relationship with your dog.
Whether your dog is a rescue pit bull, a pet yorkie, or a seasoned competition dog, Ivan Balabanov teaches you his incredible dog training methods using skills he's learned as one of the best Belgian Malinois breeders in the world and a highly respected protection dog trainer!
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I totally agree with you and I would like to add, that English Nanny, Victoria, had a cocker spaniel euthanized on her show, because the dog kept biting the kids. The dog probably thought things were out of control. Instead of using a tool such as the e-collar, or even other method, to which I know she is against, sherather put the dog to death.It mad me so mad and I cried all night, because I know, in my heart, the cocker spaniel could have been reconditioned.
A little late in this but someone mentioned that it's the vet that recomnended it and Victoria agreed to it. With that being said, it's just one of many cases to show how ignorant and egoistic those positive trainers can be. If their methods don't work, they rather put the dog down than try other methods. To me, this kind of narrow minded trainers are the ones that put dogs at risk. I think all the science, behaviourist, etc etc.. they study from what? Based on what kind and temperament of dogs they tested on, and what stim level they used? What correction and the timing they used? is so vague all around but the so called positive trainers just had to put the good vs evil.
The tools, if fall into the right hands, it can create the most incredible bond and understanding between human and dog. The communication is clear and precise. I don't see any distress dogs around my area using the ecollar or prongs, they are as happy as a dog can be. Again, if it falls into the wrong hands, it became the punisher. But to try to ban all these useful tools are unfair to so many trainers or owners who have done enough research and know how to use it. That's why I think most positive trainers are so one sided without looking at all angles. Dogs and humans are different, if they think that dogs think like we do, they have already done the damage to those dogs.
Or even rehomed to someone who could work with the dog properly and rehabilitate its behavioral issues. She is despicable for having done this.
stillwell could only dream of getting a dog to Ivans level she wouldnt get beyond his puppy classes
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And if you watch her show, many times they don’t even solve the dog’s problem. Crazy.
@@OnPointDogs exactly. Some of them are comical but most of the time it's just desperate owners trying to fix problems and Victoria being very little help.
I watched an episode where they put a dog in "time out" over and over again to fix a problem a well timed correction could have fixed easily. 😩
Not to mention she was successfully sued in the UK - I think for a dog wrongly being PTS as 'unmanageable' on her dog training programme, due to being cast and presented to programme participants as a dog trainer when in fact she was an out of work actress that moonlighted as a dog walker........ No training experience whatsoever. She has re-invented herself as a trainer, jumping on the purely positive/force free bandwagon (as I understand it) but she is not a trainer anyone with common sense would trust.
Since you mention people like Victoria Stillwell and many i know, like her, remind me of my unpleasant school days where certain teachers used to try and control students ( in this case dogs and owners) with a sense of 'rules' and 'shaming', without truly getting into the depth of where the real problems lie. To understand the real issues like 'environment', owner family dynamics, pups genetics, upbringings, one needs to always look from a fresh perspective and not pre conceived notions of what a dog should or should not do....and that takes sensitivity and work that includes compassion and great intuition.
I was against e collars for a long time. Honestly I was ignorant about the facts. When I got to be around cattle and hunting dogs a lot I saw the real world effectiveness. I was still apprehensive because I've seen them be misused then one day I saw my dad's Siberian husky chasing our neighbors cows and I knew it was time to educate myself. Thank you for real and honest information
mean while Zach George is on a million plus subscribers and still teaching his border collie of more than 1 year how to walk on a harness and still remains near the entrance of the dog park
you know i like the guy zak george, because he is not like the other positive-only trainers that only talk a lot and presents his results, he is at least honest even if his methods might not be effective, he uploads the videos regardless of whether they show the dog in an obedient or disobedient state.
anyways, it is sad to see that many people are so misguided and shy away from the usage of aversive training methods just to let their dog pull them on a leash, a problem fixed within a day of using the prong collar. people have been indoctrinated sadly
bahahaha 😂👏🏻
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😂😂😂 riiiiight?
It's okay Zach has millions of subscribers....not proof that more dogs and humans are getting the help they need. It's pretty amazing your dogs have you and many many people who get help from you.
However, yes, it's time...to call out all positive fairy tail like dog trainers as they are spreading a lot of semi knowledge...which if not dangerous are producing dogs who have strange behaviour issues like toy addictions, and sadly
who cannot think for
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Anyone who attacks these collars (or choke, prong) for being dangerous, forgets that in uneducated hands a dog is a potential hazard on it's own.... Education is key.
Whoever can learn from Ivan is a fortunate owner.
thank you!
Where do we get the education?
igen Bator!
You can’t shock a dog into becoming a benign object. These tools are just for people who can’t handle dogs without it. It’s that simple. They’re a crutch. And in many cases that crutch can cause long term problems in some dogs. I don’t know why they is a revelation. If I were to shock you every time I don’t want you to yell at me then I’m not going to teach you why you shouldn’t yell and why not yelling us better and more rewarding. I’m just going to reach you that when you yell = pain. So I’ll be able to control you but you’ll never learn what I actually want from you and why. You just won’t do it because you’re scared of punishment. Do you not understand that this is not the best way to train a dog? You want your dog to offer you a behavior because they have been conditioned to associated the behavior with something good. In my analogy that would be you offering me silence. You’re not going to yell at me because your brain has been conditioned to release feel good chemicals by not yelling at me. The latter approach is much more difficult and tedious but better for the handler as well as for the dog.
@@chrisking6695 agree. Seems like a no brainer to me.
Most people don't understand that we put restrictions on our dogs to give them much more freedom and for their own safety.
I would much rather pop my dog on a prong 2/3 times with slight force and let him enjoy the whole walk calmy rather than see him choke himself out on a flat collar. I'd love to buy a high quality e collar for my dog and let him be off leash but I only have access to a cheap Chinese shock collar whose level 1 is fairly corrective and I don't want to use that because that is simply a shut down tool rather a training tool.
Obviously you understand nothing about dogs. Learn basics about dogs that you lack and learn training your Willtoplease Doggy properly.
I'm from the UK. I did watch an episode from this lady regarding chewing behaviour in a Labrador....enough said.
This video needs 're-uploading ' without the lady in it. I enjoyed watching the pack behaving naturally amongst themselves while still keeping an eye on Ivan's movements. Best bred malanois on the planet. 🙏
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I train my dogs in a different venue(American Retriever Field Trials), but I totally agree about the e-collar. There is no more effective communication tool available. The closer in time that you can make a correction when a dog makes a mistake, the more effective and the better the dog understands. My dogs rarely get corrections due to teaching the desired behavior before enforcing/correcting it. My dogs are as happy as yours are here. They absolutely love their job and look at the collar and get excited to work. Keep putting out good information!
That's what soooo many people forget to mention. You don't teach new behavior with an ecollar, you enforce already learned behavior.
The force free people pointing out that positive teaches better are showing how little they understand the situation.
When a behaviour is tied to a tool, you get an appearance of the behavior, but when the tool is gone, there is generally no understanding of an actual behaviour. Therefore hard to actually call it training
@@marylang4540 Not when the desired behavior is demonstrated/displayed in the absence of the tool. In american field trials, training collars can't be worn by the dogs, but the dogs still peform desired behaviors/commands. If the collar was the only reason the dogs complied, they wouldn't be compliant in a trial setting.
E collar is a great tool in hands of educated user !!! It can be misused like every other dog training tool ( including hands , feet ) by uneducated person . Education how to use it properly is the way , not banning it !
YES!
The only thing these 'positive reinforcement" women (they are mostly women) bring to the table is their bright-eyed sentimentality. These people are also the ones who write education policy and teach in our increasingly chaotic, violent and useless schools.
Educated!!!! That’s the key! Here in RURAL SC… this is not how dogs look with e collars , sadly
@@jenniferwhiten1884 how do they look? Can you share a video please?
I will gladly put my neck out and say the ecollar is THE most humane tool for high drive dogs. I have a Border Collie with 10/10 drive that would be caged 99% of the day without a prong collar and ecollar training. Now he goes for 2 hour walks off leash on a local busy public beach with dozens or dogs and people around and he is free as a bird and no need to use the collar at all 9 out of 10 walks unless something unexpected happens.
To the people like Victoria that frown on us and tell us we are cruel. I am sorry your dog got ran over and I'm sorry your dogs pulled you over because you walk them on harnesses and you broke your knee and wrist.
Where are the videos of Stillwell training a hard case dog to recall off the lead?
Ah yes, it doesn't exist.
None of these positive only trainers ever train hard case dogs.
check out denise fenzi. I don't know what you mean by hard case, but she has a high drive dog and even if you disagree with positive training for some reason you can learn from her. dfenzi on youtube she has a bunch of videos
@@1316Salva What's "disagree" got to do with it?
Where are her videos successfully training high drive and aggressive dogs?
Positive only doesn't work for these kind of dogs. It's fine for training Labradors and other docile breeds, not for malinois and GSDs.
@@thoughtcriminal5655 you can see denise training her high drive belgian shepherd on the channel I mentioned: dfenzi. Her latest videos are all just that, it's pretty cool
@@1316Salva she just had to rehome her dog because of aggression. Cherry picking dogs and rehoming ones that aren't unicorns is not dog training. Its finding a unicorn.
@@HaroldoB thinking dog training can fix everything is dangerous
Wish I could like this more than once! Thank you!!
Wow, thank you!
Brilliant! Great video, demonstrating an entire Malinois pack having fun.
I've always trained my dogs to stay in the yard, the last 2 of them with an electric fence. But after my dog of 14 years passed, I adopted a new dog that is aggressive to some dogs and other animals. I ordered an e collar, but the 'modern' trainers (all young) warned against using them. They told me to basically isolate my dog against 'triggers'. Help her feel more comfortable! Getting such contradictory advice about not using punishment or even using the word 'alpha'. That was my first clue. Dogs are pack animals, and you the owner wants to be the alpha. My new dog is miserable on a constant leash. I have taught her all basic commands on the leash. I'm going to charge that e collar tonight. Thank you!
I have a Jack Russell maniac barker. He had 5 (not one, FIVE) different trainers. None of them could fix the barking nightmare, spend a lot of cash on those lessons and 6 months in training. Positive reinforcements did not work on my dog. Finally, the last trainer offered me a sportdog brand sbc-r bark collar. Problem fixed, he behaves now, the shocks are not necessary, he knows. People are worried about the shock. It's a static shock, not an electricity shock with amperiums. It's the same static when you shake hands or when you take off a sweater made with synthetic fibers. It is not animal torture. A lot of dogs are euthanized and abandoned because of barking issues. It's not cruel
Ivan you're so good. What an honor for you to share your knowledge. Just adore you.
Lovely to see such a peaceful scenario, you do great work and your dogs are absolutely fantastic from your efforts.
Next time someone on social media starts saying how abusive e collars are, show them this! I know I will!
Thank you for this video. More people and dog trainers need to see this.
I've watched some of her show before, she gives bandaid advice and doesn't actually train the dog to stop, like one dog u have to put it outside before you can let a person in the house... a trainer would have trained the dog to place and wait there while letting a person inside.
Hard decision Believe live actual dogs and proof from IVAN or Live actual BS from Victoria.
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Victoria Can’t prove anything. I don’t think she has ever competed in ANY competition trial to show her dog training skills let alone bring a dog to championship status.
The e collar was life changing for me. That womans crazy
Man I got to say I have so much respect for you! No fear from the dogs, freedom, they are clearly happy and not scared or sad at all, everyone here in this video having fun and playing around, and everyone is well behaved too? Love it! And the fact you said that you even let the dogs get into their own confrontations with one another as well, and let them sort it out (unless it goes to serious dog fighting of course) is amazing! And the way at the end they all run around still playing with each other and having fun but also still listen to you when you say its time to go? Wow. If that isn't dog happiness and dogs having the time of their lives with each other, then I have no clue what is. You let the dogs be dogs, not let them be the way you force them to be. Only if you really have an issue per say. Goes to show its never the tool, its always the person using said tool. A E-collar is no more dangerous then your hands are, its all about the way you use it. You can decide whether you want to use your hand to hit and abuse the dogs, or use it to pet them. Same as the collar, whether you want it to be used nicely just to communicate with them, or if you want to be horrible and use it to abuse them. I don't think E-collars themselves need to be banned, but I think what does need to happen is that they should get rid of the ones that go up to a painful setting, and make ones that go up to a certain limit, so it never hurts the dog. This way even if these E-collars go to the wrong person they can never hurt their dog anyways, I think that is the best solution of both worlds. Much respect to you!
Thank you for your time to post. My opinion is that we need education and conversation amongst the experts from different ideologies and camps. This will be a start. There is not necessarily a bad and good here but with the conversation … here we are
The best part is that all these dogs are also intact! Not physically mutilated in order to facilitate "good behavior" and " less distractions". Don't get me wrong, spaying/ neutering has its place, but I often hear it being used and framed as a behavioral modifier.
My favorite video by far thank you for your input ivan ! You’re the best
Excellent content! Thank you very much! ❤
ZG & Victoria Stilwell couldn’t handle 1 Malinois, let alone 7!
Ivan - I 100% agree with you regarding using ecollars and their effectiveness in dog training and behavior modification when used correctly. I like yourself need that ability to use pressure on a dog at critical times to encourage and discourage behaviors. The problem come when the uneducated use them.incorrectly like any tool it's as good as the person using the tool!! Thanks for sharing and advocation for our power breeds and the proper training techniques!!
What was that fight video with Victoria and the other lady with people around them? I would love to watch the whole stuff. 😅
I remember it was from a show "America's Greatest Dog" or something like that, and the dude getting wailed on in the beginning had trouble working with his dog so he persevered and in short did "get gud" and all that temper tantrum from Stilwell was because of his training method of which he and his dog absolutely SHINED with improvement.
Talk about aggressive reactive amiright? I think she couldn't handle someone being better than her.
incredible video. fascinating and mega super cool . thanks for sharing this exceptional experience
Thanks Iván
Súper demostración 🏆
If you read any of my comments, you know, I am not a fan of aversive tools. However, I just watched Ivan interview Larry krohn and really like the way he kept the pressure on Larry to defend the way he used collars.
E collar is super for behavior modification. You box of bad options from the dogs and give them ultimate freedom. Thanks for sharing.
I just can't lol. This video is perfect lol! 😂😂😂😂😂 Thank you Ivan!
That last video of Victoria Stilwell getting into an argument, where is it from?
Thank you!
Wonderful video. Thank you.
Super video! 100% on point
Great way of explaining the use and value of a tool. Thanks.
Very welcome
Ivan has always been my favorite
There is NO other tool or method that can provide immediate communication over great distances. Used correctly an e-collar gives both freedom & safety in ways that nothing else can. It, therefore, enriches the dog's life. There is nothing more aversive to most dogs than confusion & an e-collar provides clarity. What works in skinners box is not applicable to life in real word. Genetics matter. What the dog finds rewarding matters. Most of all real world results matter.
She starts off with saying that anyone who "teaches" with the ecollar disgust her.... You don't TEACH anything with an ecollar if you're an educated, good balanced trainer... She grinds my gears. Not comfortable with it? That's okay, just don't use it! Don't pretend to understand it 🙄 then share that misinformation with the public....of course it can be misused... So can food, and flat collars.... Smh
Actually you also 'teach' with negative reinforcement, with positive punishment and negative punishment. The good wording here is that ecollar is not used to 'Teach a Totally New Behaviour' like Sit, Down.
@pothszabina yes you do teach with negative reinforcement, I do it daily lol.
Yes, that's the right wording!
Just a raging comment moment a year ago apparently 😂
@@joyfulk9services haha 😂and I'm getting these old videos as recommendations but I love these
@pothszabina they'll never get old! I always revert back too! Nothing like the OG's 😎
I am using an e collar on my dog Blu she has serious dog aggression issues on leash with me. I am getting a Belgian Mal pup around Christmas to train for competition, French ring. I can’t have my dog being reactive to my puppy or any dog for that matter. Once she hyper focuses on another dog getting her attention back onto me won’t happen. I need to correct her and get her attention on me and reward her.
Ivan ~ thank you! This was very helpful demo visual for me to learn from. I really appreciate it. You're excellent display with instruction helped me immensely to understand even better. Good job!🐾👍 ~ DogGone Walking KC
Glad it was helpful!
Our neighbour’s cattle dog walks without leash or any collar even in tbr ravine and the dog is totally obedient. They used no tools when they trained their dog. The most chill obedient dog i’ve ever seen. He always comes when called.
Dog is now a senior. That being said I’m all foe nuance.
Excellent Ivan, Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
My Mal is high drive and we do PSA, he’s a protection dog and service.
The ecollar is an amazing tool for a high drive dog. I hardly use it now and I can call him off a decoy at full speed. Of course we do not use them in competition.
If you need shock collars to train your Willtoplease doggy recall, better own rabbits. Learn basics about dogs that you lack. 😉
Agree. Over and over I see comments about using shock collars for basic obedience commands. Like training a sharp recall is rocket science?
I forgot to say Thank you for this video!!!!
Thank you
You are my new hero. Saying everything I'm too afraid to say. 😀
Beautiful dogs ❤ I can’t wait to get my puppy and start training.
Brilliant video.
Glad you think so!
Great explanation of your belief system and the energy of the pack ✅
Greetings from Romania. Keep up the great work.
Hey, thanks!
More trainers need to understand the value of all tools available. From e-collar, clicker, food, play, leash corrections etc. It ALL has a place in the dog training world and are all used in accordance to the requirements of the dog. A trainer who thinks otherwise is not really a well balanced trainer.
Your method of training or teaching people how is priceless.
I love your videos and thank you for what you have done for the dog community!
So many happy and relaxed Malinois are such a beautiful sight.
The only reason Stillwell spews her horseshit is because she's a scam artist, not a real dog trainer, and is just trying to stay relevant despite her lack of knowledge in dog training.
Victoria isn't even a drug trainer she's an actress. I read somewhere that she has no dog training experience whatsoever.
You are correct.😠
Thank you. raphael nyc
Ivan, your contact form is broken on website. How can I get in touch about a puppy for September - new year time frame?
Have two examples: one - never got any discipline, always on the long leash; the other used shock collar, dog learned the boundaries and now he roams free in the years.
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In all ways, the human animal has become too accustomed to determining an opinion without education- we see this inside the human societies and in almost all things human view ☹️. Thank you for your advocacy, your stellar videos. 🙏🏼
I read through the comments. No one has commented about 2:13 "... 9-month olds not trained at all ..."
I found this funny in that the routine and structure of their first 9 months has produced a better trained dog than most pet dogs will ever become. If only pet owners could learn how to do what Ivan has already done with these 9-month olds ... (shhhh ... it's all the training most dogs need).
education for owners
They look like very happy pups to me! These only "Positive" reinforcement trainers are funny! Lol
Uneducated ‘trainers’ like her should not be telling people such crap! Chicken and cheese can only do do much before other methods need to be applied to keep your dogs, other dogs and livestock etc safe. Both my dogs are to be e collar trained for THEIR benefit and safety... responsible dog owners need to think seriously about believing PP trainers who cannot deal with or successfully manage difficult behaviour in some dogs. Great video.
@@nsh1772 positive reinforcement is liturally rewards. It is necessary but you can not train a dog with only positive reinforcement
Hello Kay. I have been training dogs for over 50 years. I completely agree with Ivan. I have 5 working dogs and like Ivan, I use the E-Collars on certain dogs, to maintain pack order and allow them the freedom to just be dogs. I can let my guys wonder up to 2000 feet from me and with just a beep from the collars and nothing else they return to me. Victoria, try doing that with your way of "training". Can you stop a fight with just your voice? I can.
VICTORIA WHO? Ivan still tried and true 👍 I remember first time I saw Ivan it was refreshing. Old school level 10's and electric to get a gsd to clear 42" and end up with more problems. I still think it's cheating using a mal for shutzhund but Ivan's style changed many of us in the early 2000's. I think we're all better for it. I'm still waiting Ivan to see you do some B.R. Thank you for the time, the repeat Z litter, and investing in us being better handlers. I still never got a legit NVBK title but I have 7 mals and 4 kids still using your methods today. Thank you Sir.
BTW what ever happened to Anja vom T and Faye AH?
My 2 pit bulls are conditioned to come back on the mini educator on single digits. That’s their default response because we trained them using the escape training. I was shown by a professional dog trainer. So it’s my insurance now and they see it the same as a leash.
I think anyone who gets an e-collar MUST understand it is not for punishment!
Remake this one. 🎉 would love to see this with the updates and discussions 😅
I can hurt my dog with a fork as well, but that is'nt the way a fork is meant to use. Properly used, the e-collar is a very good and even human tool. Mr. Krohn uses e-collars to train fearful dogs with anxiety issues, how could that be if e-collars are so horrible. Would'nt the dog be utterly destroyed then? But he builds them up to be very happy and confident dogs in no time. Sure thing, it CAN be a horrible tool in the wrong hands. Just like a fork. Educate yourself, people. Mr. Stillwell here says, she follows the best in the world. Well, what have they achieved? To they train high drive dogs, or pet dogs only? It does'nt go higher than with a two time world champion, i'd say.
This is fantastic lvan 👌💯 I have friends and family that disagree with e collars... I now say shhhh and watch this video 😂👍
I agree with the use of e collars. It's the uneducated people that makes the tool a bad thing. It is a tool so it depends on the trainer to learn how to properly use it. It is use to enforce commands and not as correction. It helps condition wanted behaviors and prevent bad behaviors from becoming habits. My dog has all the free time and range she wants when we are out but i can still have control over her if needed. People hate on me when they see it in my dog but has no idea what it's for. I just tell them that's why my dog listen to me.
I am curious about the e-collar, but live in a country that it is banned in. Since 2003. Maby suggest that you have to get a "e-collar driverlicense" in order to use it on a dog in a country it is illegal?? It seems like a really good tool.
It is excellent tool
How oftern do you run all your dogs together?
She could sure use a stim towards the end of the video 😅
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Does any other trainer compare? Two (2) times world champion. His training videos are excellent. If I ever train another dog it would be a Belgian Malinois! O T Vitosha. Thanks for the video!
Have you reached out to see if Victoria will come on your podcast? Would be an interesting conversation
But its not apples to apples since you do sport dogs and she does pet dogs, but even this would make for great topics to discuss
I would love to see this!
I'm not so sure that it is clear in her videos what VS "does". I've watched enough to conclude that her videos are a complex production of planning, scripting, editing and dramatization. Distortion and exaggeration to promote VS and her agenda.
She said "Most people who use these tools have no idea the psychological affect it has on their dog."
But science, logical thought, tells us that one cannot know something they do not know...so how does she think she knows the affects having NOT used the tools? She feels a way about it..does not know, feels.
Agreed! Not all dogs need it, used effectively and appropriately will not mentally harm a dog.
Force free failed my aggressive dog for six years at no less than four different facilities over six years. E-collar saved my HA DA bite record dog's life and fully rehab'd her behavior within one year, out of a muzzle in six months with zero further bites.
Some dogs don't need e collar because are sensitive so, you wouldnt use it and is a dog that responds vocally and likely highly handler pleasing oriented.
Vibration collars and beep training is equally effective for super sensitive dogs and can be features of an e collar.
Anyone placing a e collar on every dog without taking into account the kind of dog and stage of training, isnt a trainer or one you want to use. Way to ambassador Ivan!
E collars save lives and save dogs on euth lists that have zero time here in Texas. Victoria Stilwell is, well, a paid TV face.
Leashes are a means of controlling a dog's proximity. E-collar is the same, without needing a physical tether.
If your dog can have freedom trained to respond to a beep, vibration, or TENS unit and or be behaviorally rehabilitated preventing human or dog harm, why would you not..
Many things could potentially do harm, some examples would be fast cars, motorbikes, a hammer, a fork, a rolled-up newspaper and the list goes on and on...Should we start banning things I just mentioned only because they could potentially harm in the wrong hands? I don't think so, crazy!
This lady is absolutely insane.
Yes, and eating utensils are banned or, at least, strictly regulated in prisons. The VS's of the dog community want to treat all of us as if we are convicted inmates rather than free and intelligent dog trainers/owners seeking the best life for our dogs.
Edit: not so much seeking, but pursuing and achieving! Please stay out of our way, VS.
Anytop trainer knows that any elite lever dog has worn a collar at one point in there lives it has even saved some dogs lives
That last clip of Victoria totally convinced me to throw away my medical grade, certified humane ecollars. Not. It made me laugh. It’s unfortunate and upset that is the ignorant attitude of the majority of pet owners.
Balanced training is the only way
I trained my first dog in 1974. So a couple days ago. In that time I have seen many great advances in dog training. None of them better for training, and better for the safety of my dogs, than an e-collar !
The sad fact is, she makes good TV, I guess ? She has never trained a reliable off lead dog in her life. She knows so little about high drive dogs, or any dog for that matter, she probably believes her own bull crap. She defiantly can not show any results, and that's what matters.
There are many really great young trainers these days, far better than I'll ever be, but she darned sure isn't one of them LOL
thanks for watching!
Also if someone has an injury, you want them to not handle or walk their dog? Prongs, ecollars and other tools TAUGHT, can help prevent human injury to owners and trainers. I have two Malinois and one shepherd. I sustained an unrelated back injury. I am not walking these dogs on leash, or at least without a prong, we live among wildlife where I am. A single tug or lunge on the leash will cause my injury to relapse. The amount of time proposed by FF trainers as measured in My Dog Pulls! Now What? By Turid Rugaas shows a minimum of 30 days to see consistent results by one of their favorite techniques. A handler with mobility issues training without tools? That is favoring the dog over the human and essentially supports rehoming the dog if the handler needs a tool for the handler and possibly dog's safety.
the problem seems to be that anyone can purchase these over the counter. The damage is being done by people who do not have enough understanding or care for dogs. It should be harder than getting a driver's license.
Just out of curiosity do you personally know of such person and dog? Can you give a name of someone because I would love to invite them on the podcast
@@IvanBalabanov to clarify: I believe that there are people who know dogs and how to use these collars correctly and without harming the dogs. There are others that do not know and they do harm dogs and do damage. I believe there should be 'regulation' to keep these out of the hands of the latter group. Who decides who has access is the difficult question but trying to educate people is limited without regulation. Excuse me if I'm being unclear.
@@user-ok6iz1xs7u I always go back and forth on the “regulation”. There are pros for this and there just as many cons. What do you do with the person that will do harm without using electric collar? Do you think this will actually prevent cruelty?
And still my question remains do you personally know of someone that has done terrible things to their dog with electric collar?
yes. I know of people who've harmed their dogs with aversives and in other ways. you've already discussed this topic frequently with multiple trainers. dog training itself is largely unregulated.@@IvanBalabanov
Please show what is the reaction of the dog after getting shocked. Very curious.
It varies. A low pulse would show on a dog in different ways. They could flick their ear, hold their breath for a second, look around. Ect
It is called a shock collar because you will be shocked how great tool it can be if used correctly. Two important things - quality collar and knowledge how to use it = happy dog, happy person, great results. The cheap collars with 3 settings (where the lowest one is soo intense even for a human, not talking about a dog that is more sensitive) should be banned indeed. And use of E-collar by an ignorant person without a proper training shouldn't happen either, that's mostly where problem lies.
Well done, Ivan, another excellent video!
8:09 Victoria uses hyperbole and highly emotional terms to evoke a negative mental image and feelings of empathy to manipulate the lawmakers and general population of pet owners. 9:10 More of her cherry-picking. Have a seat Virginia, pay attention and open that narrow mind of yours.
Very true. The scare tactics are all she has
@@IvanBalabanov Could you please do a video on the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals (OFA), why it's important.
Right now, I have a mixed dog of Boxer/Lab lineage with degenerative myelopathy. She comes from two breeds susceptible for DM, it is likely she received a gene from each parent.
I am crushed beyond words, Mimi was my service dog, she has maybe a month left before the last act of kindness.
When I tell breeders about the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals, I get crickets, no reply, nothing. One breeder after I pushed him said he did reply which is BS, otherwise I told him, I would have been notified, again no reply as of late.
The OFA xrays and genetic testing only adds credibility to one's breeding program regarding the overall health and soundness of the puppies. The breeder has a twofold responsibility, first to the puppy's health/soundness and a close second to their potential owner. Thank you.
Who is this harpee?
Quickly what I can say is that electric collar is not to be used by inexperienced dog drivers, or who think themselves capable of using it. In my opinion and experience I consider the electric collar a tool that helps many dogs with undesirable behaviors and very effective to add a few more points in the tests of R.C.I
Victoria stillwell you have no idea
Everyone has the dog they deserve...
The funny thing is if people understood the E collar isn’t for punishment it’s like a clicker, to get attention- to mark a behavior. followed by praise. I agree that those who abuse the e-collar are lazy and disgusting.
People think e collars are dangerous because they don’t know how to use them correctly.
I have one, best thing that ever happened.
victoria got completely messed up by a malinois, she is absolutely clueless. I came across a positive only who called methods like these inhumane declare that the best solution if you don't have the time to put positive only methods into practice is to dump the dog at a shelter. They would rather dogs end up abandoned than admit they overreact out of ignorance. Positive only are too narcissistic to admit defeat, and are also protecting their own lack of result business
Ive seen alot of comments that shes telling out of ignorance but thats not whole truth. In our times ignorance is very strong with virtue signaling do that and u r popular person who can declare your own agenda.
Yep them dogs look sooo scared and distressed cause wearing an e collar lol
I won’t lie, I use a prong on my guy, he willingly puts his head through cause I conditioned him positively on how to be with it on. Even with it off I have full control, whether flat collar or no collar. He’s in the heel position until I say he can wonder. There was or isn’t no force or punishment. Most of the time there’s no prong on him and he’s still trained to listen until I give the release.
If I didn’t then he’d rule the roost.
Everybody is an expert these days. She was a clothing expert 2 weeks ago and now she knows everything about dogs. i don't leave the house without an ecollar on my Malinois. To do otherwise would be irresponsible.
She is completely clueless about how to truly train dogs and how to use the tools of the profession! Don't ever follow her advise. She would put dogs down because she has no idea on how to rehab and fix problem dogs!
Especially you have no idea how to train a dog. That's why you must press buttons. 🤭