This is not what most use a re-amp box for..it’s used for exactly what it’s called..RE-AMPING. You feed the already recorded signal through the box and out to the amp input and record THAT tone. Yes, it can work for the instances you list, but that isn’t really what most of us home studio engineers use one for. It’s to change the original sound/tone of a previously recorded track, or to alter it a bit for dbl tracking etc.
The important thing I think you guys missed is that by lowering the level in the daw you are decreasing quality of the sound you are going to reamp. You lowered the (digital) signal level by ~7db resulting in approximately half the level of the original signal. Assuming you recorded with 24 bits, the outgoing signal before hitting the D/A converter is degraded to a 12 bit representation, thus the quality (signal to noise ratio is reduced by its half). In the second case using the reamping box, the signal hits the D/A converter with it's full quality and the level is reduced by an analog circuit (continuous signal space) and therefore the quality of the signal stays the same!
intereting, but it's bullshit. 24 bits gives around 144dB of dynamic range, and 12 bits give around 72dB, so you miscalculated the difference by 1000%. The signal from guitar pickup is much less dynamic than 24bits, it's actually less dynamic than 16bits, so you can easily turn down the output by 50dB and NOT loose any useful info by doing that.
Disagree!, Ok maybe the per bit snr is 6db and not ~7db as stated, thats right!. But, at least, from a theoretical point of view not using an reamping box and lowering the volume of a recording before the dac will lower the dynamic range of the recording! Further, how can you assume the dynamic range of a guitar to be less than 16bits without loss?
The outgoing signal will be degraded to a 23 bits representation. Indeed, when you add one bit, you multiply the number of values by 2. You have to lower the signal by 72 dB (6*12) and your signal will be encoded on 12 bits.
I reamp to run out of the DAW into pedals. Pedals often have different impedance levels, and their inputs vary greatly in the amount of signal they can handle. Especially gain dependent pedals, like distortion or overdrive, the reamp affords the pedals to operate in the optimal situation. I also use it to run synthesizers into pedals. Again, people ask why they can’t just run the synth down, but its not the same thing. Even with allegedly line level pedals, if you check manuals, an “optimal” input level and impedance is mentioned. Just because it works the other way, doesn’t mean its working right. Some pedals just fall apart with a line level signal.
I'm trying to accomplish the same goal, running sounds out of my DAW into pedals to be used as insert effects. Do I need a Re amp box and a DI Box to carry it back into my DAW? I was planning so get a Yamaha MG XU Mixerboard and set up my chain that way along with my interface. Can I have some pointers to this please? Thank you so much!
You should compare the two using a null test. That will show exact differences. It's always possible that we are not hearing certain frequencies in certain rooms/environments. So when comparing two audio sources for differences a null test can be a really important tool.
I might be imagining it but the direct signal minus the reamp box sounded very focused where as the sound through the reamp box sounded a little more natural. Might just be me though.
Brilliant! Nicely practical and fast-paced demonstration that there is not always a need to go out and buy gear! I have never used a re-amping box and have never had a problem!
The Reamp was originally designed to be used with analog tape machine outputs, which didn't have volume controls like a modern DAW. I use a Cuniberti Reamp v.2 to send line level signals to guitar pedals on a weekly basis - I reamp drum machines, vocals, saxophones, etc. The Reamp is a crucial piece in my studio. If you want to know the history of the Reamp - watch this video; th-cam.com/video/ZOpI618pRs8/w-d-xo.html
I'm trying to accomplish running sounds out of my DAW into pedals to be used as insert effects. Do I need a Re amp box and a DI Box to carry it back into my DAW? I was planning so get a Yamaha MG XU Mixerboard and set up my chain that way along with my interface. Can I have some pointers to this please? Thank you so much!
To me the really good thing about reamping and u guys didn't mention it is, to play a guitar part, pick that guitar signal and then send it to an amp and recorded it again without having to play it
+Austin Arthur It's funny because that is the only use for a re-amp box. This whole video is about re-amping guitars. +Mario Figueira said they didn't mention it, but it was clearly assumed knowledge as that's the one thing re-amp boxes are for.
While I appreciate the effort, there are some major problems with this test. You haven't actually accounted for the most important thing that a re-amp box does which is mimicking the impedance loading that occurs when pushing the front end of an amp with passive guitar pickups. If you were playing a guitar with active pickups like EMG's your test would be closer to accurate. If you are playing passive pickups, and want to see the real difference, you'll need to make a patch cable that allows you to connect your DMM leads WITHOUT interrupting the signal to the amp. You will probably need to use a video recorder to record the DMM as the impedance will vary slightly as you play. Now take a guitar with passive pickups and play into the front of a Marshall or similar tube amp with the gain cranked. Now use the same patch cable uninterrupted and play the same riff back through a line level interface. You will that the main thing that a re-amp box does it to react to the front end loading of the amp in the same way that your guitar pickup does. The line level signal voltage from a daw is not going to vary in the same way that the voltage coming from your pickups react when plugged into a distorted amp.
There is an audible difference in the first one bro, the type of difference that separates a producer from a listener, the type of subtle difference that is the difference between a good mix and a pro mix. It is very difficult to hear, and that is why there are so few high level producers.
Hey Zach I enjoy watching your videos. I thought the main purpose of a reamp box was it provided the opportunity to go back and change tones without having to do another performance.
+Ryan Neden yup they are, but as long as the guitars are already recorded into your DAW you can play back from the computer and plug the line out directly into the amplifire (you'll might have to turn the fader down a lot).
+Zachary Spence Thanks for the reply. I am still learning so forgive me. I didn't think you could run a signal straight from your computer/interface to an amplifier because it lacked a Hi Z signal. I thought that is what the reamp box provided. I was looking to purchase a reamp box in the near future but not if I don't need it. Thanks for your help!
Sorry, if being stupid, but how could you not have a impediance mismatch, if you're going from the outputs of your interface? You bough down the levels in the daw only and that solves it?
Ah, yeah well i did some experiments on my own without a reampbox, i sent my signal from my audio interface output into the micpreamp, and it clipped like crazy (probably due to the impediance), so i just brang it down and sent it into the amp. Turns out you obviously can do the exact same thing in your daw, just turning down the volume until the distortion in your amp is not muddy anymore. However my amp seems to sound really shitty and muddy with DI's i've read on forums other people complaining about it too and they even had a Re-amp box, cause obviously this probably would still be with the re-amp box so here's my solution to it,inside your daw, do a wide Q boost on your mids and highs, it's crazy how you can shape the tone to sound "more like when the guitar is plugged in" by doing that, also i used vst overdrives, haha! Why use real ones when you can automate the gains and shit inside your daw, pretty awesome. Anyway thanks for replying.
hi i want to just add certain fxs to pre recorded tracks on my DAW when mixing using my foot pedals (TC REVERB, BOSS CHORUS, Strymon echo ETC) can i just do this with the re amp box? if so How Thank you
The S/N ratio is higher with the reamp box ... and this is noticeable all the way through ... if you can't hear that on the very first lot of clean guitars, then your ears must be drawn on ...
Hey Zachary, I was wondering if there's anyway to get the balanced level of any amplifier head so I could get the "tone" and then load any custom impulses, I know "TwoNotes" but I was wondering if using a D.I. BOX or something like that could work. Thank you and Greets from Spain.
+Danirdguez only possible if your head has headphones out or an FX loop/send you can plug into there and plug into your interface, if you can bypass the pre-amp on your interface even better. You definitely don't want to be using the main outs going to your physical cab as the signal will have enough power to damage your interface. Once you get it recorded use an impulse loader (Lecab, NadIR) and load the impulse(s) you want to use.
Good intentions and decent content at times but that voice track is truly painful. A diagram of the connections would have been far clearer than a voice description and wandering cam shots. No mention of the second output on the X-Amp or how it could be used to advantage. And the "...before entering the amplifirer" slide. What, no QA?
We did do a brief test with a DI box in the same setup with no differences. The thing is the majority of audio interfaces already have instrument inputs negating the need for a DI box, and even if you are running through the mic preamp the short length of cabling and the signal to noise ratio generally means that a DI box wouldn't improve the signal quality. DI's have their place in live sound reinforcement where significant amplification, interference, and longer lengths of cabling make them necessary in order to get a clean signal running into the board. also a Reamp box is a DI box in reverse
of course with all of this said I'm talking about running your guitar directly into your interface in your bedroom. if you want to record a raw signal and a signal from an amp then a DI box becomes much more handy, and their design seems more suited to this use in the studio
+TechQuad12 replied to one of your previous comments, gotta remaster it before I publish, here is an older copy of the instrumental in the mean time :) www.dropbox.com/s/tjojf75jbg1csho/Bowsers%20Castle%20-%20Instrumental.mp3?dl=1
Yeah, if you want to send signal out completely direct, say to add pedals to your DI signal, a reamp at the beginning and a higher quality DI before going back into your interface will yeild much better results. Plus the reamp box attenuates without cutting bit usage . So, for most guys doing demos and such, doesn't really matter, but if you are doing pro studio work, you want to maintain that 24bit quality.
You should consider speaking with your normal voice in your videos. I found your weird mechanical speaking pattern to be more of a distraction than entertaining.
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This is not what most use a re-amp box for..it’s used for exactly what it’s called..RE-AMPING. You feed the already recorded signal through the box and out to the amp input and record THAT tone. Yes, it can work for the instances you list, but that isn’t really what most of us home studio engineers use one for. It’s to change the original sound/tone of a previously recorded track, or to alter it a bit for dbl tracking etc.
Take a glass of water man
More like take a pill with that voice, and talk lol.
love The fast paced format of information in this video, Great video guys
The important thing I think you guys missed is that by lowering the level in the daw you are decreasing quality of the sound you are going to reamp. You lowered the (digital) signal level by ~7db resulting in approximately half the level of the original signal. Assuming you recorded with 24 bits, the outgoing signal before hitting the D/A converter is degraded to a 12 bit representation, thus the quality (signal to noise ratio is reduced by its half).
In the second case using the reamping box, the signal hits the D/A converter with it's full quality and the level is reduced by an analog circuit (continuous signal space) and therefore the quality of the signal stays the same!
ohh good point, we completely missed this
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intereting, but it's bullshit. 24 bits gives around 144dB of dynamic range, and 12 bits give around 72dB, so you miscalculated the difference by 1000%. The signal from guitar pickup is much less dynamic than 24bits, it's actually less dynamic than 16bits, so you can easily turn down the output by 50dB and NOT loose any useful info by doing that.
Disagree!, Ok maybe the per bit snr is 6db and not ~7db as stated, thats right!. But, at least, from a theoretical point of view not using an reamping box and lowering the volume of a recording before the dac will lower the dynamic range of the recording!
Further, how can you assume the dynamic range of a guitar to be less than 16bits without loss?
The outgoing signal will be degraded to a 23 bits representation. Indeed, when you add one bit, you multiply the number of values by 2. You have to lower the signal by 72 dB (6*12) and your signal will be encoded on 12 bits.
THIS IS MY MBOX, THERE ARE MANY MBOX'S LIKE THIS ONE BUT THIS ONE IS MINE!
I reamp to run out of the DAW into pedals. Pedals often have different impedance levels, and their inputs vary greatly in the amount of signal they can handle. Especially gain dependent pedals, like distortion or overdrive, the reamp affords the pedals to operate in the optimal situation.
I also use it to run synthesizers into pedals. Again, people ask why they can’t just run the synth down, but its not the same thing. Even with allegedly line level pedals, if you check manuals, an “optimal” input level and impedance is mentioned. Just because it works the other way, doesn’t mean its working right. Some pedals just fall apart with a line level signal.
I'm trying to accomplish the same goal, running sounds out of my DAW into pedals to be used as insert effects. Do I need a Re amp box and a DI Box to carry it back into my DAW? I was planning so get a Yamaha MG XU Mixerboard and set up my chain that way along with my interface. Can I have some pointers to this please? Thank you so much!
Did you just say impotence mismatching at 2:27?
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You should compare the two using a null test. That will show exact differences. It's always possible that we are not hearing certain frequencies in certain rooms/environments. So when comparing two audio sources for differences a null test can be a really important tool.
I would like to see a segment on the usefulness of a chair when you don’t want or need to sit down.
I might be imagining it but the direct signal minus the reamp box sounded very focused where as the sound through the reamp box sounded a little more natural. Might just be me though.
Brilliant! Nicely practical and fast-paced demonstration that there is not always a need to go out and buy gear! I have never used a re-amping box and have never had a problem!
The Reamp was originally designed to be used with analog tape machine outputs, which didn't have volume controls like a modern DAW. I use a Cuniberti Reamp v.2 to send line level signals to guitar pedals on a weekly basis - I reamp drum machines, vocals, saxophones, etc. The Reamp is a crucial piece in my studio. If you want to know the history of the Reamp - watch this video; th-cam.com/video/ZOpI618pRs8/w-d-xo.html
I'm trying to accomplish running sounds out of my DAW into pedals to be used as insert effects. Do I need a Re amp box and a DI Box to carry it back into my DAW? I was planning so get a Yamaha MG XU Mixerboard and set up my chain that way along with my interface. Can I have some pointers to this please? Thank you so much!
now we just need a video on chap stick my guy
To me the really good thing about reamping and u guys didn't mention it is, to play a guitar part, pick that guitar signal and then send it to an amp and recorded it again without having to play it
Hahaha, thanks for the laugh man
+aRAGman how is that funny? That's actually a common use of reamp boxes.
+Austin Arthur ;)
+Austin Arthur It's funny because that is the only use for a re-amp box. This whole video is about re-amping guitars. +Mario Figueira said they didn't mention it, but it was clearly assumed knowledge as that's the one thing re-amp boxes are for.
+aRAGman you can actually use it in reverse, then it becomes a Di box :)
While I appreciate the effort, there are some major problems with this test. You haven't actually accounted for the most important thing that a re-amp box does which is mimicking the impedance loading that occurs when pushing the front end of an amp with passive guitar pickups. If you were playing a guitar with active pickups like EMG's your test would be closer to accurate. If you are playing passive pickups, and want to see the real difference, you'll need to make a patch cable that allows you to connect your DMM leads WITHOUT interrupting the signal to the amp. You will probably need to use a video recorder to record the DMM as the impedance will vary slightly as you play. Now take a guitar with passive pickups and play into the front of a Marshall or similar tube amp with the gain cranked. Now use the same patch cable uninterrupted and play the same riff back through a line level interface. You will that the main thing that a re-amp box does it to react to the front end loading of the amp in the same way that your guitar pickup does. The line level signal voltage from a daw is not going to vary in the same way that the voltage coming from your pickups react when plugged into a distorted amp.
Good vid, without any BS
There is an audible difference in the first one bro, the type of difference that separates a producer from a listener, the type of subtle difference that is the difference between a good mix and a pro mix. It is very difficult to hear, and that is why there are so few high level producers.
Totally agree. That difference was as clear as day to me.
Hey Zach I enjoy watching your videos. I thought the main purpose of a reamp box was it provided the opportunity to go back and change tones without having to do another performance.
+Ryan Neden yup they are, but as long as the guitars are already recorded into your DAW you can play back from the computer and plug the line out directly into the amplifire (you'll might have to turn the fader down a lot).
+Zachary Spence Thanks for the reply. I am still learning so forgive me. I didn't think you could run a signal straight from your computer/interface to an amplifier because it lacked a Hi Z signal. I thought that is what the reamp box provided. I was looking to purchase a reamp box in the near future but not if I don't need it. Thanks for your help!
I love your humor
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Excellent video! I've subscribed.
thank you!
Do you do the rundowns of the JST plugins? Your voice sounds exactly like that
Sorry, if being stupid, but how could you not have a impediance mismatch, if you're going from the outputs of your interface? You bough down the levels in the daw only and that solves it?
+Reaper 1984 We did have an impedance mismatch, but all we had to do was turn down the levels and that solved any problems we had.
Ah, yeah well i did some experiments on my own without a reampbox, i sent my signal from my audio interface output into the micpreamp, and it clipped like crazy (probably due to the impediance), so i just brang it down and sent it into the amp. Turns out you obviously can do the exact same thing in your daw, just turning down the volume until the distortion in your amp is not muddy anymore. However my amp seems to sound really shitty and muddy with DI's i've read on forums other people complaining about it too and they even had a Re-amp box, cause obviously this probably would still be with the re-amp box so here's my solution to it,inside your daw, do a wide Q boost on your mids and highs, it's crazy how you can shape the tone to sound "more like when the guitar is plugged in" by doing that, also i used vst overdrives, haha! Why use real ones when you can automate the gains and shit inside your daw, pretty awesome.
Anyway thanks for replying.
Why i hear the di from reamp box is clearer and the dirty sound is less fuzzy in the reamp box??
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can i use a regular Direct Box for reamping? What would be the difference? Thanks.
Great video etc, but I was wondering: why do you look so good?
Great vid but the voiceover put-on voice is annoying. Just speak normally it makes the videos more watchable...
Actually, I found it quite amusing, it sounds like you're watching a trailer for a really low budget/ homemade action movie.
Colum Nolan It annoyed you?
youre 13 years old i understand
Good video man.
thanks dude
hi i want to just add certain fxs to pre recorded tracks on my DAW when mixing using my foot pedals (TC REVERB, BOSS CHORUS, Strymon echo ETC) can i just do this with the re amp box? if so How Thank you
i feel my music nerd level went up by looking up wheter i need a re amp box.
You can't hear a good headphone or a backup drive on a mix, but you can hear properly reamped guitars.
The S/N ratio is higher with the reamp box ... and this is noticeable all the way through ... if you can't hear that on the very first lot of clean guitars, then your ears must be drawn on ...
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Same, it was a lot of fun!
Which reamp box is that specifically?
+Jon F Radial It's the Radial X-Amp™
Zachary Spence thank you sir!
Hey Zachary, I was wondering if there's anyway to get the balanced level of any amplifier head so I could get the "tone" and then load any custom impulses, I know "TwoNotes" but I was wondering if using a D.I. BOX or something like that could work.
Thank you and Greets from Spain.
+Danirdguez only possible if your head has headphones out or an FX loop/send you can plug into there and plug into your interface, if you can bypass the pre-amp on your interface even better. You definitely don't want to be using the main outs going to your physical cab as the signal will have enough power to damage your interface. Once you get it recorded use an impulse loader (Lecab, NadIR) and load the impulse(s) you want to use.
Thank you so much, love your work.
keep going on what you do!
Good intentions and decent content at times but that voice track is truly painful. A diagram of the connections would have been far clearer than a voice description and wandering cam shots. No mention of the second output on the X-Amp or how it could be used to advantage. And the "...before entering the amplifirer" slide. What, no QA?
yeah I was on crack in this video
DI BOX next please! Awesome video, liked ;]
We did do a brief test with a DI box in the same setup with no differences. The thing is the majority of audio interfaces already have instrument inputs negating the need for a DI box, and even if you are running through the mic preamp the short length of cabling and the signal to noise ratio generally means that a DI box wouldn't improve the signal quality.
DI's have their place in live sound reinforcement where significant amplification, interference, and longer lengths of cabling make them necessary in order to get a clean signal running into the board.
also a Reamp box is a DI box in reverse
of course with all of this said I'm talking about running your guitar directly into your interface in your bedroom. if you want to record a raw signal and a signal from an amp then a DI box becomes much more handy, and their design seems more suited to this use in the studio
+Zachary Spence thanks for the information! Cheers!
Great vid, just saved me some dough :)
you are hilarious dude
"You are entering...The Twilight Zone!"
Why are you talking like that ?
I love the 'Movie Trailer' voice over guy style delivery
+Zachary Spence Preeminent - Bowser's Castle Instrumental?
+TechQuad12 replied to one of your previous comments, gotta remaster it before I publish, here is an older copy of the instrumental in the mean time :)
www.dropbox.com/s/tjojf75jbg1csho/Bowsers%20Castle%20-%20Instrumental.mp3?dl=1
+Zachary Spence Replied to your other post as well. You are amazing. I also subscribed.
No worries Tech glad you enjoy! & thanks for subscribing
+Zachary Spence You are so welcome.
FINALLY! Proof that no one really needs a Reamp box. It's just to sell more stuff.
Leo Berger line out to guitar effect?
unless someone sends you DI's to reamp through your equipment.
Special Snowfake Well...how about Line Out???
Yeah, if you want to send signal out completely direct, say to add pedals to your DI signal, a reamp at the beginning and a higher quality DI before going back into your interface will yeild much better results. Plus the reamp box attenuates without cutting bit usage . So, for most guys doing demos and such, doesn't really matter, but if you are doing pro studio work, you want to maintain that 24bit quality.
@@SubCultureMEDIAHilbert Yup
Dude stop screaming! Cant even watch a minute
Nice Teeth. lol
666th view you satan worshipers!
You should consider speaking with your normal voice in your videos. I found your weird mechanical speaking pattern to be more of a distraction than entertaining.
Guitar tracks are like chicken, the more the better
You pronounced Impedance as "Impotence." It's pronounced "Im-pea-dens."
Just...the most annoying narration.