Ice Melt vs. Rock Salt - What’s the Difference?

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  • There’s a bewildering array of choices for ice melt, ranging from rock salt to blends with additives designed to jump up performance. What’s the best choice?
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    The winter is coming and for areas that enjoy snowfall, that means controlling snow and ice deposits outside your door, on sidewalks, and in your driveway. Snowblowers and snow shovels are mainstays in your snow management arsenal, but good snow and ice melt can make a difference in how manageable snow and ice are.
    First, a bit of chemistry. Salty water freezes at lower temps than fresh water does. That’s why you won’t see seawater frozen as often as fresh water. So, if you can create a saltwater layer (brine) when applying salt or ice melt to a surface, your control of the ice or snow can be effective.
    When it comes to snow and ice control, brine is the key factor and that affects everything else.
    Creating a brine layer is easier the closer the temperature is to 0° Celsius/ 32° Fahrenheit. Even a moderate application of ice melt/salt, with a light snow or ice covering, will have an almost immediate effect on brine formation and melting happening right away.
    Brine formation is best accomplished BEFORE snowfall by applying the product to areas where you want to control snow or ice buildup. The second best time is when there is only a light layer of snow.
    But what if it is extremely cold, ice has formed, or there is snow already in place? If you are using plain old rock salt, you’ll need to remove the snow and apply salt scattered across the surface as evenly as possible.
    If the temps are so low that ice still forms, you’ll need to consider using ice melt products with additives that boost performance. Magnesium Chloride is one such additive. This will lower the freezing point of the brine even further. This chemical is very effective as a pre-treatment and is used by many cold-weather municipalities to treat freeways in advance of a snowstorm. It greatly reduces the bond between snow and ice and the road surface and allows for efficient snowplow operation.
    Calcium Chloride is the next step up. When this compound mixes with water, it produces heat. This is called an exothermic reaction, and the heat is real! In very low temps, this allows enough brine to form to break the bond between the ice and surface. When you buy an ice melt product with calcium chloride, is one of the ingredients, but not the entire product. It is mixed with sodium chloride.
    Granule size also differentiates between regular rock salt and ice melt products. If the granules are too big, then brine formation is very slow. If too small, the compound melts almost immediately and has very little staying power. The size needs to be just right to allow brine formation but to “slow-release” it.
    Another important consideration is the amount of product it takes to get the job done. If you need to apply a lot of salt, and there are flower beds or turf adjacent to the slab, driveway or sidewalk, you risk sterilizing the soil or at least greatly diminishing the ability for plants to grow well. Using ice melt products, at their recommended application rate, means less salt (sodium chloride) will be in the soil, with less effect.
    Snow and ice melt products also typically have a colorant added to them that is safe for pets, and won’t stain concrete. This helps you to not over-apply the product as it’s easier to see where it has already been applied. It’s hard to see a white product on white snow or ice!
    Also, NEVER apply rock salt or snow-melt products to concrete surfaces that are less than one year old. They haven’t properly cured enough to resist spalling, and surface damage will occur when melt product has been applied and very low temps are reached.
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  • @wolfeadventures
    @wolfeadventures 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Perfect timing. Thank you for addressing the concrete damage aspect.

  • @boromoose
    @boromoose 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thanks for this informative video. I just had a new concrete driveway installed in October and knew not to use salt on it, but thought it would be OK to use other ice melts on it. Now I know not to use anything on it, other than maybe some sand for traction if I can’t get it clean enough with my snowblower.

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're welcome. Next year, you'll be ready to go. Best, DFJ

  • @HandsIntoHistory
    @HandsIntoHistory 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Found an 'Easter egg' while watching this video-- caught sight of your camera person in the window, lol 😆 Thanks Jay for great information, as always!

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Love it. That's Rob, our friend and business partner. Thanks for writing!

  • @crazysquirrel9425
    @crazysquirrel9425 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    calcium chloride = prestone driveway heat.
    I have mixed a little calcium chloride in with rock salt as a booster.
    Calcium chloride is best used for ice treatment.
    I bought water softener salt (large pieces too). Put that down on the road by my house early. Traffic will break it up to much smaller pieces. Longer lasting but slower to work.
    Best way to use salt and similar is to wait till the snow/ice turns into slush, then shovel it way, not allowing it to dry on the surface.
    Less damage to driveways and sidewalks that way.

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Good insights, Crazysquirrel!

    • @crazysquirrel9425
      @crazysquirrel9425 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@DirtFarmerJay Thanks! Lernt from skool of hard knox ya kno! lol
      Interesting thing about Calcium Chloride is that it melts little holes in the ice surface then melts underneath the ice.
      At least it is easier to break up and remove the ice.
      Wish I could still get Ammonium Nitrate. Worked great and runoff was fertilizer for the lawn. Need a license now to buy it.... And paperwork...

  • @jacquilewis4663
    @jacquilewis4663 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Best explanation for steep drives and what to apply - 'create a brine'! Thanks.

  • @slimwantedman6694
    @slimwantedman6694 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good morning from Southeast South Dakota

  • @jaycawthon3463
    @jaycawthon3463 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    One option is to use the lawn or garden fertilizer that you may have left over.
    I think it needs to be chemical not organic.
    Organic might give you some traction but not melt the ice.

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yes, I've done that before with light snow. I used up some grass fertilizer, ammonium sulfate. It worked moderately well. Thanks for watching and writing! We appreciate it. Best, DFJ

  • @rancid216
    @rancid216 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All I use is Prestone Driveway Heat that is calcium chloride. Throw it on an icy sidewalk and it eats up the ice.

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep, calcium chloride creates actual heat, so it cuts the ice to get a brine going under the ice sheet. Thanks for writing and sharing! Best, DFJ

    • @superdog1964
      @superdog1964 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It is also eating up your cash. In most areas, calcium chloride is available in 40 or 50lb bags that cost 1/3 the price at your local hardware store. Let Prestone and it's marketing team handle your car's radiator and you deal with your sidewalk and wallet Lol.

    • @rancid216
      @rancid216 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I have a row home with no basement or attic, so I don't have room for 50 pound bags. I just buy 4 or 5 of the 9 pound Prestone jugs each year.@@superdog1964

  • @Mrs0114
    @Mrs0114 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Which is best for wooden patios??

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think ice melt with either magnesium or calcium chloride additives would be the best choice as it would get the ice film off your deck faster with a smaller amount of product compared to using regular salt granules. I hope this helps! Best, DFJ

    • @mpgisbtsarmybaefighting2838
      @mpgisbtsarmybaefighting2838 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good question. Thanks for asking as I was wondering about that. Take care.

  • @gordonmoen6038
    @gordonmoen6038 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How about for melting ice on aluminum patio roof systems

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You need a magnesium chloride melt, not sodium or calcium chloride. They are highly corrosive to aluminum. When temps allow, any ice melt residue should be rinsed off thoroughly. Best, DFJ

    • @ccdogpark
      @ccdogpark 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I bought a squeegee for this purpose.
      The first thing I do after heavy snow is clear off our aluminum
      awning that protects the side door from the elements.
      I'm 74 YO and need to climb a ladder to do this,
      but I don't want the weight of snow or ice to undermine
      this piece that would be annoying to replace.

  • @markd9105
    @markd9105 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Amazon left a 40lb box or cat litter on my door by mistake I was wondering if it could be used on ice. It's free what the hell lol.

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It'll give you some grip, but no melt. It's clay-based, so it will tend to become sticky and be tracked into your home. Heads up! Best, DFJ

  • @marjoriebiedron740
    @marjoriebiedron740 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What about pet friendly?

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All salt based ice and snow treatments (which almost all are), carry some inherent risk, depending on your pet's preference for the taste of salt. Since you use less with the ice melt products, there is less for pets to have access to. However, when pets walk in treated areas repeatedly, they will get more exposure. The typical response is for the pet to lick their paws, which can lead to ingestion. In products like what we featured, magnesium chloride is not the major ingredient, but it is there. There is a lot of strong opinions on the safety for pets, but an overlying principle seems to be to keep doses of the brine to a minimum, if there is concern, you can rinse your pet's paws. Also, in the products we used as samples (from Brody Chemical), the colorant used is food grade, but it can be tracked into your home, so some people prefer a poduct like EcoMelt, which doesn't have colorant. Best, DFJ

    • @boromoose
      @boromoose 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I use Morton Pet Care Ice Melt. It says it melts down to 10 degrees Fahrenheit and is salt and chloride free. Ingredient list is Urea CAS #57-13-6. Says it is “safer for pets, people, plants & surfaces *. The asterisk directs you to the back panel for details, which includes that it was developed with veterinarians, and that you shouldn’t use it on poor quality concrete, and concrete less than a year old.

  • @SledDog5678
    @SledDog5678 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The calcium Chloride?
    WHAT ABOUT ANIMALS THAT WALK ON IT??????

    • @DirtFarmerJay
      @DirtFarmerJay  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes, indeed. That is a topic we covered in the episode. Calcium chloride is not the best choice when pets are involved. They can track it and it can cause burns or irritation to their paws. In that case, a magnesium chloride product is the best choice and we featured a few in the episode. Best, DFJ