After the collapse of the USSR, a declassified Soviet assessment of this engagement was made public. Among the dry military commentary was the droll observation that the Syrian air force bases maintained a departure control but did not require approach control.
My boss grew up in Southern Lebanon near the border of Israel and told me stories about fighting in the South Lebanon Army alongside the Israelis during the 1982 Lebanon War, crazy stuff. He recently went to Lebanon to convince his parents to go North away from the current fighting. Thankfully they finally moved. He's one of the kindest men I've ever met. He's a devote Christian and hates conflict unless its to protect his family, all the years I've worked for him I've never seen him raise his voice or get angry.
Did he tell you a lot of them chose to move to Israel with their families the day IDF pulled back from South Lebanon, and still are here. their kids serving in IDF in combat positions if they want to, like the Muslim Arabs with Israeli IDs and many other religions closer to Islam.
Christian Arabs are some of the most hardworking and peaceful peoples in the world. They are a very successful community throughout Latin America where they assimilated without causing any issues into the local population. It's truly heart breaking to know about the centuries of persecution they suffered and still suffer throughout the Middle East to this day.
The ethnic cleansing perpetrated by Muslims in Lebanon is one of the worst tragedy of the XXth century. How a population of refugees betrayed and massacred peaceful Christians
@@greatwolf5372 as a Christian Arab the only livable country for me now in the middle east is you'd be surprised but Israel. Palestinian territories are horrible for Christians. for example if you get too successful your entire business will be taken away from you through false rumors and being forced to sell, the only way to improve your life is to apply for Israeli citizenship or move to Europe. and for ex-Muslims they can't even stay in Israel because it's too easy to get a work permit and get unalived. so they usually get asylum and move to the EU ASAP. Another fun fact, the most educated population in Israel are Christian Arabs. we're very successful here and live a great life. My father is an engineer my mother is in a Lawyer and I'm studying computer science. Also, the false rumors of discrimination against Christians here are based on one tiny radical group in the old city that pretty much all the Israelis I know are just as disgusted by.
She's probably the daughter of one of the officers who was present at the time, maybe even Eitan's daughter (he had three). The IDF can be quite informal at times.
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I'm 63.In June 82 i was an IAF soldier stationed in Ramat David air base (as an F-16 electrician) and heard the stories from my colleagues from 110(F-16A/B) squadron about the dogfights. Everybody were amazed: What? We got about 100 (rumored) of theirs and they didn't get no one of ours?
@@traviswalker8933lol Take a look at any Arab airforce. You’ll find the best equipment in the world, paid with Europe’s money, and still they are the worst military airforce in the world. Even Russia could fuck them up
Actually in modern air combat it’s very unlikely that single pilot get multiple kills in one mission. This has always been fairly rare. In the modern battle space the “ace” likely hood at all is very low much less in one mission. The last US military aces go way back to the Vietnam War.
@@tristanholland6445 actually ... three aces was crowned during that war in 82. Amir Nahumi became an ace in late June including a double kill on the 25th of June flying F 16 , Ben Ami Peri also scored 5 plus in a F 16 during the war , and Nir Ronen flying a F 15 scored 5 plus including a double kill on July 12th. Now you said modern era , how far back you going ? There is plenty of iIran and Iraq aces from that war also Syrian aces and Egypt had 4 aces in the modern era. I got names and places , squadrons and air craft type used scoring those victories . Jalil Zandi of Iran was the last known fighter ace killed in action during the Gulf War and was the highest scoring Tomcat ace in history. If we count drones ( but not recongized ) ukrainian Vadym Voroshylov destroyed 5 shahed drones . or unconfirmed ace of russia Ilya Sizov with 13 ukrainian aircraft destroyed .. includes 3 SU 24 , 3 SU 27 , 3 Mig 29 , 2 MI 24 helicopter and 1 MI 14 helicopter so yeah possible if we can confirm instead of propaganda in modern times .. as of Feb 2024 Capt Earl Ehrhart shoot down 7 Houthi drones flying a AV85 Harrier2 for the US marine corps . So do we count him as a ace ? in modern times though it's not a living person in the aircraft. in closing i've studied fighter aces and air to air combat for 50 years and met dozens of pilots from WW1 on up. So i got resourses and 100 plus books on the subject and even wrote two papers in college on air warfare and how it changed the route of war. And as for that Marine Captain , i believe it's a false claim because his name does not show up in any kind of award for downing the drones , not even a Air medal . So i guess i'll see later published.
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I think its important to translate the names of the aircrafts and so on. Netz is hawk falcon Baz is falcon korunas is sledgehammer and so on. Kfir is a young lion.
Im from beqaa valley, its a vast flat earth surrounded by 2 big and high mountain chains, i wasnt born back then but i can imagine how they used the mountains overlooking it as a surprise element. My dad said he went up on the roof and watched this with his own eyes, he describes it it seemed like hornets are attacking a bee hive
1. The first and most subsequent kills by an f-15 fighter have come from Israel. In fact, if memory holds, the first f-15 kill was using the 20 mm Vulcan Cannon. 2. I saw the initial flights fly over my head in 1983. I was six at the time visiting with my mother. We were staying with family, three of whose boys became pilots in the IDF. One minute I'm playing with model aircraft and the next minute the f4s are streaking overhead. I was very annoyed when we had to fly back to the United States that night
@@Genessyssabsolute nonsense. Theres plenty of Israelis with family in the Us and two major centers of Jewish population are outside of Israel in the US. We Jews are everywhere too, so what?
@@Genessyssif that so then Arab nations using soviet equipment make them soviet and not independent... BTW, Israel only by the skeleton aircrafts, the software, extra equipment and ammunition are all Israeli
@@sutulj depends if the Arab states bought the weapons or were given to them for free. USA gave 310 Billions of aid (donation) to Israel in its existance.
@Genessyss 1. America mostly just sends old equipment in that value. 2. America benefits from Israeli intelligence services, medical technology and research. 3. America also aids the Palestinians from the moment they were invented... 1 billion dollars just in the last year.
This was very interesting. I wasn't really aware that Israel and Syria directly fought each other in Lebanon at all. I also didn't know that the use of remote piloting had reached that level of use before the 90s. So a very interesting video!
The British sold the first drone technology to Isreal, I believe the engines originated from chainsaws, but the UK were the leading tech on these. We like giving shit away. Sadly.
Israel invented the modern military drone with the Tadiran Mastiff and the IAI Scout. The RQ-2 Pioneer which was the first modern drone used by the US military was an enlarged version of the IAI Scout.
The Israelis not only had 4th Gen combat aircraft, they also had AWACS which boosted the radar signature of the Syrians so it was far easier to identify them. The Syrians, by comparison, had no AWACS and were flying 2nd generation MiG-21 with 3rd generation MiG-23s. The latter were used primarily for ground attack. Let's not forget too that in 1965, the Mossad convinced a disgruntled Iraqi Christian pilot, Captain Munir Redfa, to defect to Israel with a brand new MiG-21F - so the Israeli Air Force practised against that MiG-21 to find their weakness. So, it was absolutely no surprise this was a turkey-shoot.
War is not pokemon. It is a culmination of preparedness, planning, training, and execution. So Israeli's got hold of an enemy aircraft though espionage. So what?
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Are you pretending Israel doesn't depend on American aid? This operation was performed with American F-15 fighter jets and American technology. I support the Israeli people, but I do NOT support pretending America is not why they are powerful. Be a better ally.
@@phillipmartinez9232 The Israelis have the F-16, F-15, and F-35. The F-16 "Netz" and F-15 "Ra'am" are both mentioned in this video. F-22 is not allowed to be sold outside of the US, but the F-35 is the most widely exported 5th gen aircraft and named the "Adir" in IAI service.
First of all- well done on a great and informative video. ❤ This operation was described in books with many details missing due to military classification. It took Israeli military forum "Fresh" years to get these additional details, so please try to hold your horses with comparison to these books. Just a few comments: 1. The F-4Es didn't use just AGM-88. Many different A/G standoff weapons were used, including GBU-15, Walleye, and some Israeli-made EO bombs like "Tadmit". The various EO weapon videos from this operation are available on youtube. 2. In 1982, UAVs were used for intel only. No UAV was directly dropping ordnance on SAMs- those 1982 UAVs were small- but still bigger than an RC toy plane. 3. In the dogfights, the usage of AIM-7 wasn't that common. From Israeli F-15 sqn 133's scoreboard- most Migs were downed by F-15s with AIM-9s and the rest with AIM-7s and cannons. F-16A,Bs only had AIM-9 and cannons. And anyway, F-16A,B never had AIM-7s. 4. Another then-secret aspect- Israel developed ground-launched versions of the AGM-88 and AGM-45 , launched from various APCs and six-tracks. The missile had an extra booster. 5. One of the F-4E pilots was able to spot an escaping SAM-8 battery, had no bombs so strafed it with the cannon- he got decorated for that.
@@hdjono3351you are right! It takes much, much longer. No seriously I have played war thunder on a new account for a hundred or so hours, I'm still not at top tier. World of warships? Within 2 months of on and off playing I already unlocked the Preußen...
Sparrow with bad maintenance : crap Sparrow with good maintenance : great The USAF high command blamed the equipment for their own failures in Vietnam.
@thekinginyellow1744 The MQM 57 was not a modern drone capabilities wise and was not utilized within the modern context of drone warfare. It had very rudimentary remote piloting capabilities had no live feed from its cameras and was used as a miniaturized spy plane rather than a combat or tactical drone. As to wild weasels that's why I said modern SEAD. Mole Cricket 19 was the first use of anti radiation missile equipped planes in concert with other air assets to achieve complete air dominance over defenses using planes.
@@AlbatrossCommando Using a weapon first doesn't mean you invented it. Japs used their aircraft carriers before Americans, but that doesn't mean they invented the carrier
@@AlbatrossCommando Nonsense. This was all doctrine that the US developed in the 70s. Where the hell do you think the Israelis got the awacs and ew planes from in the first place. They may have been the first to use them in combat in that particular configuration, but "casually inventing both drone warfare and modern SEAD in one battle" is completely delusional.
Seems like Damascus and her friends should have just taken the advice: "Don't mess with the IDF. Period." But I guess each generation has to learn that lesson itself.
That’s not true at all lmao. We (the US) used drones in Vietnam, mainly the Ryan Model 147 series, they were well known by militaries around the world.
The US used drones in Vietnam. Look up the Ryan Model 147 Lightning Bug. Also the book, "Lightning Bugs and other Reconnaissance Drones" (1982) by William Wagner or "The 99th Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron: The Air Force’s Story of Unmanned Reconnaissance in the Vietnam War" (2017) by Steve Miller.
@@freakingabagool3510 the firebee drone was a pre-programed recon vehicle. the israeli drones could be controled in the air, and share information real time, inclouding with the fighters.
I always find it funny the people who say "without America Israel would be dead" Really...so we survived in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 when our enemies had shitload of Soviet weapons (back then were pretty good) and during the Cold War we saved America' ass multiple time with our intelligence and by handing them a brand new working MiG-21. It's called bilateral trade, while every single fighter jet / attack helicopter / cargo planes were all PURCHASED. Its literally public information that we paid for all of it in cash 😅 Jealous people just can't stop being jealous.
@@moshco23 Well, _that's_ not what i expected. And i've eaten all my snacks😭 I've never heard anyone say that Israel would be dead without America, not once... Genuinely speechless 🤔
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the heavy losses by the IDF during the Yom Kippur war were more to do with US supplied ECM pods failing to work as advertised, hence the high kill ratio by SAM's
What a great video, super comprehensive and interesting, every time I see one of your videos recently it puts into perspective the War on Ukraine, marvelous how those lads have done an amazing job with such a disadvantage. Thanks as always, cheers guys!
A video mentions Israel? And fighting an Arab nation? I’m sure the comments will be civilized and respectful and people will have a civilized debate to solve their disagreement here
@@xxx-lx6bu I believe his comment aimed at the heated debates that may be sparked by the mere mention of these two parties since there are still ongoing conflicts in the region. Notably, I feel like half the arguing is done not by members of either party but by 3rd parties armchair generalling on the thing or otherwise wanting to argue. Perhaps it is a human basic impulse to argue, which is why I assume you and I wrote our respective comments. Anyways, have a peaceful day without any further arguments.
We can't rest on our laurels. China has nearly caught up through industrial espionage. This was the same in the 1900s, Britain had the best tech, but America could churn out a design at warp speed because of it's massive industrial base. 2-3 short decades later the Americans had the technological lead. Similarly, the Chinese now have an ability to iterate rapidly, while ALL western nations typically have long manufacturing lead times and subpar industrial output compared to the Chinese. I think China makes 13x more steal than the United States, 30x more than Germany, 100x as much as France, and 150x as much as the UK. You can thank the financial elites of the west for this. Wall Street, the chaps at the in The City in London, and the German financial elites.
I remember that in the late 80s the Israeli Air Force was considered the best in the world, and all the whining about the F-15 ceased immediately. Also interesting to see how far the Sparrow had come since it's disappointing performance in Vietnam.
You see that now with the F-35. so much whining about budgets and capabilities mostly from people who have no idea what they're talking about. No we see it's a plane that can play around in hostile airspace thousands of miles away and come back without a scratch
@@Dragonman1OOO Pretty sure they did not, otherwise we would see Russian Air Force plane flying over Kyiv now, not dropping glide bombs far behind the front line.
@@Dragonman1OOO We are talking comprehensive destruction of an ADA network that allows the attainment of partial or full air superiority, not "we knocked out this one system six months ago".
They couldn't see the Israeli fighters, and those F15/16s weren't even stealth aircraft! I can't even imagine what a large scale battle involving modern 5th gen fighters and significantly more EWAR will look like except complete chaos.
The AGM-78 Standard was a very successful anti-radar missile and was based upon a US Navy ship launched surface to air missile. First used in combat during the Vietnam War. They had a range of over 70 miles and could “remember” the target location so turning off a radar after one had been locked and fired would not fool it. I imagine that the Israelis considered thier stock of Standards very valuable. Lastly a funny story about the Soviet RWR…the display unit had the top down silhouette of a Mig-21 regardless of what aircraft it was in only the Su-24 got a special RWR that was unique to Fencer.
@ AIM-7s probably did go first but I think that segment of the video overstated their usage when around around 50 were launched compared to 150 AIMs-9, and none of the Sparrows were fired from BVR ranges.
Ah yeah you're probably right, we did approximate the dogfight section as it's hard to animate and wasn't the focus of the video at the time. Although i do believe the Sparrows were BVR
@@TheOperationsRoom There's a rand review of the battle and the subsequent response to the battle by the Soviets. The review is titled "Moscow's Lessons From the 1982 Lebanon Air War." On page 23 of the pdf (page 8 of the body of the review), it notes that the IAF maintains that none of its kills were achieved BVR. It does however corroborate the rest of your video, which was still very high high quality mind you.
this is one of the most defining air battles of modern warfare. this is the first ever complete denial of enemy air defense in history i actually have a podcast in hebrew interviewing the airforce chief at the time of the operation, its an hour long podcast, and he goes into alot of details regarding it, including comments he received from communist commanders about the battle. really interesting stuff
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Can you do Grenada or Panama?
Why didn’t they give you your own announcer?
I swear every operation Israel did in its Cold War years was either stuff you see in Call of Duty or Ace Combat.
and this day as well, i mean beepers?
@@comingfall6348007 sorta shit right there
@@comingfall6348 yeah it makes me sad that they're so cool because... well ... I don't want my comment deleted
Yo buddy… still alive?
@@m.streicher8286lol
Love from Israel 🇮🇱
They hate us coz they ain’t us
Can you imagine going in with all your wingman buddies and then getting obliterated by an enemy you can’t even see? Scary stuff!
That would be like a story in a bible
And, thus, the terror of stealth fighters.
since then the Syrian AF never engaged the IAF
BVR Beyond Visual Range it's what the IDF and USAF USN practice
@@Archie2c that wasn't true in the 1980s since no BVR missiles launched from aircraft were in service at that time.
After the collapse of the USSR, a declassified Soviet assessment of this engagement was made public. Among the dry military commentary was the droll observation that the Syrian air force bases maintained a departure control but did not require approach control.
My boss grew up in Southern Lebanon near the border of Israel and told me stories about fighting in the South Lebanon Army alongside the Israelis during the 1982 Lebanon War, crazy stuff. He recently went to Lebanon to convince his parents to go North away from the current fighting. Thankfully they finally moved.
He's one of the kindest men I've ever met. He's a devote Christian and hates conflict unless its to protect his family, all the years I've worked for him I've never seen him raise his voice or get angry.
Did he tell you a lot of them chose to move to Israel with their families the day IDF pulled back from South Lebanon, and still are here. their kids serving in IDF in combat positions if they want to, like the Muslim Arabs with Israeli IDs and many other religions closer to Islam.
Christian Arabs are some of the most hardworking and peaceful peoples in the world. They are a very successful community throughout Latin America where they assimilated without causing any issues into the local population. It's truly heart breaking to know about the centuries of persecution they suffered and still suffer throughout the Middle East to this day.
sending love from israel, mt father fought with the christians in the second lebanon war
The ethnic cleansing perpetrated by Muslims in Lebanon is one of the worst tragedy of the XXth century.
How a population of refugees betrayed and massacred peaceful Christians
@@greatwolf5372 as a Christian Arab the only livable country for me now in the middle east is you'd be surprised but Israel. Palestinian territories are horrible for Christians. for example if you get too successful your entire business will be taken away from you through false rumors and being forced to sell, the only way to improve your life is to apply for Israeli citizenship or move to Europe. and for ex-Muslims they can't even stay in Israel because it's too easy to get a work permit and get unalived. so they usually get asylum and move to the EU ASAP.
Another fun fact, the most educated population in Israel are Christian Arabs. we're very successful here and live a great life. My father is an engineer my mother is in a Lawyer and I'm studying computer science.
Also, the false rumors of discrimination against Christians here are based on one tiny radical group in the old city that pretty much all the Israelis I know are just as disgusted by.
Fighting a F-15 in a fishbed sounds like a horror game at the speed of sound.
It sounds like absolute suicide...
Might aswell stay grounded, if you know Eagles are airborne.
@@granddukeofmecklenburg
That was their problem, they weren't aware the F-15s were there. What a nightmare scenario
Man, the comments here surely wont be chaotic at all.
Surely.
lol
Agreed, the region has been at peace for centuries.
Oh look, it's literally NCD!
@@12zxgglol How?
6:22 imagine needing to go to a very important meeting with top Israeli Generals, and forgetting that you're wearing a micky mouse t-shirt.
She's probably the daughter of one of the officers who was present at the time, maybe even Eitan's daughter (he had three). The IDF can be quite informal at times.
@@headrockbeatscan and is
I think it’s part of it’s success and a part of its failures
Haha, I caught that too. Like, "uhh, I'm just an intern, here's your coffee, ooops, now I'm in a historic photo."
Israeli culture is often dismissive of formalities, uniformity and social hierarchy.
@@fortunatebum That's the secretary general of the interior. Nice girl. Rhoades Scholar. Former Mossad. Lethal with a knife.
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I'm 63.In June 82 i was an IAF soldier stationed in Ramat David air base (as an F-16 electrician) and heard the stories from my colleagues from 110(F-16A/B) squadron about the dogfights. Everybody were amazed: What? We got about 100 (rumored) of theirs and they didn't get no one of ours?
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Imagine the look on Moscow's face when the Syrians came asking for a complete replacement ADA network.
IDF is a very capable air force.
Any airforce would be capable if they received the military aid they receive and the extensive training.
@@traviswalker8933 not likely, just take a look at the saudi airforce
@@SolomomMamman again, they got their aid after much struggle and is a transitional airforce, only used as a tool by the USAF.
@@traviswalker8933lol
Take a look at any Arab airforce.
You’ll find the best equipment in the world, paid with Europe’s money, and still they are the worst military airforce in the world.
Even Russia could fuck them up
Using your logic since Syria was receiving massive Soviet aid,then they should have been able at least be competitive against the Israelis
This air battle should have been portrayed on History's Dogfights. I bet a lot of aces were made on that battle.
Actually 3 aces flew missions but didn’t score
But 2 new aces gathered kills in several engagements
@@jeffblacky Awesome.
Actually in modern air combat it’s very unlikely that single pilot get multiple kills in one mission. This has always been fairly rare. In the modern battle space the “ace” likely hood at all is very low much less in one mission. The last US military aces go way back to the Vietnam War.
@@tristanholland6445 actually ... three aces was crowned during that war in 82. Amir Nahumi became an ace in late June including a double kill on the 25th of June flying F 16 , Ben Ami Peri also scored 5 plus in a F 16 during the war , and Nir Ronen flying a F 15 scored 5 plus including a double kill on July 12th. Now you said modern era , how far back you going ? There is plenty of iIran and Iraq aces from that war also Syrian aces and Egypt had 4 aces in the modern era. I got names and places , squadrons and air craft type used scoring those victories . Jalil Zandi of Iran was the last known fighter ace killed in action during the Gulf War and was the highest scoring Tomcat ace in history. If we count drones ( but not recongized ) ukrainian Vadym Voroshylov destroyed 5 shahed drones . or unconfirmed ace of russia Ilya Sizov with 13 ukrainian aircraft destroyed .. includes 3 SU 24 , 3 SU 27 , 3 Mig 29 , 2 MI 24 helicopter and 1 MI 14 helicopter so yeah possible if we can confirm instead of propaganda in modern times .. as of Feb 2024 Capt Earl Ehrhart shoot down 7 Houthi drones flying a AV85 Harrier2 for the US marine corps . So do we count him as a ace ? in modern times though it's not a living person in the aircraft. in closing i've studied fighter aces and air to air combat for 50 years and met dozens of pilots from WW1 on up. So i got resourses and 100 plus books on the subject and even wrote two papers in college on air warfare and how it changed the route of war. And as for that Marine Captain , i believe it's a false claim because his name does not show up in any kind of award for downing the drones , not even a Air medal . So i guess i'll see later published.
@@tristanholland6445 your incorrect sir
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…and I thought the Japanese had it bad at the Philippine Sea battle, but at least they could see the enemy…
imagine if that battle was with jets at a large scale?
800 vs 900 planes
@@centurymemes1208 It would crash the economies of all countries involved
I think its important to translate the names of the aircrafts and so on. Netz is hawk falcon Baz is falcon korunas is sledgehammer and so on. Kfir is a young lion.
Gonna be confusing when the F-15 Eagle is called a falcon and the F-16 Falcon is called a hawk
Is this the Beqqa Valley Turkey Shoot?
Yes
Im from beqaa valley, its a vast flat earth surrounded by 2 big and high mountain chains, i wasnt born back then but i can imagine how they used the mountains overlooking it as a surprise element. My dad said he went up on the roof and watched this with his own eyes, he describes it it seemed like hornets are attacking a bee hive
1. The first and most subsequent kills by an f-15 fighter have come from Israel. In fact, if memory holds, the first f-15 kill was using the 20 mm Vulcan Cannon.
2. I saw the initial flights fly over my head in 1983. I was six at the time visiting with my mother. We were staying with family, three of whose boys became pilots in the IDF. One minute I'm playing with model aircraft and the next minute the f4s are streaking overhead. I was very annoyed when we had to fly back to the United States that night
@@ronmaximilian6953 here is the reason why Israel is just a part of the US by jow and not a separate state.
@@Genessyssabsolute nonsense. Theres plenty of Israelis with family in the Us and two major centers of Jewish population are outside of Israel in the US. We Jews are everywhere too, so what?
@@Genessyssif that so then Arab nations using soviet equipment make them soviet and not independent...
BTW, Israel only by the skeleton aircrafts, the software, extra equipment and ammunition are all Israeli
@@sutulj depends if the Arab states bought the weapons or were given to them for free. USA gave 310 Billions of aid (donation) to Israel in its existance.
@Genessyss
1. America mostly just sends old equipment in that value.
2. America benefits from Israeli intelligence services, medical technology and research.
3. America also aids the Palestinians from the moment they were invented... 1 billion dollars just in the last year.
This was very interesting. I wasn't really aware that Israel and Syria directly fought each other in Lebanon at all. I also didn't know that the use of remote piloting had reached that level of use before the 90s. So a very interesting video!
Especially where he talks about the drones being armed and taking out targets. I didn't think that happened till well into the Afghanistan GWOT.
They also fought on the ground, Merkavas vs T-72s
The British sold the first drone technology to Isreal, I believe the engines originated from chainsaws, but the UK were the leading tech on these. We like giving shit away. Sadly.
@@jeffallen3382 They weren't armed. Mastiff couldn't carry weapons. Nor Scout.
Israel invented the modern military drone with the Tadiran Mastiff and the IAI Scout. The RQ-2 Pioneer which was the first modern drone used by the US military was an enlarged version of the IAI Scout.
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Read Cmdr. E.E.Evans’ Medal of Honor citation. Longest of any I’ve seen. It will bring a tear to any true American patriot’s eye…man or woman.
Wow, I managed to get into the comments BEFORE all the arguing!
All of these comments are meta cringe about how much “arguing” there will be.
No you didn’t 🙃
The Israelis not only had 4th Gen combat aircraft, they also had AWACS which boosted the radar signature of the Syrians so it was far easier to identify them. The Syrians, by comparison, had no AWACS and were flying 2nd generation MiG-21 with 3rd generation MiG-23s. The latter were used primarily for ground attack.
Let's not forget too that in 1965, the Mossad convinced a disgruntled Iraqi Christian pilot, Captain Munir Redfa, to defect to Israel with a brand new MiG-21F - so the Israeli Air Force practised against that MiG-21 to find their weakness.
So, it was absolutely no surprise this was a turkey-shoot.
I wasn’t aware Israel also got their hands on a MiG-21. I knew the US did, but I’d always just assumed they’d shared the data.
@@atomf9143 the US got their Fishbed from Israeli i believe
War is not pokemon. It is a culmination of preparedness, planning, training, and execution. So Israeli's got hold of an enemy aircraft though espionage. So what?
@@mignik01 It's good to point out what they did to achieve the goal.
@@atomf9143 I think the same MiG21F-13 was part of the Constant Peg program as well.
All this knowledge of history and the fellow middle eastern countries STILL haven’t learned their lesson
If they got the brain they wont be this stupid
man, it's so cool to see how far this channel has come, increasing its already amazing graphics, far beyond what feature length documentaries on TV manage. Operations Room is really the best place to learn about historical battles
Arabs trying not to lose a conflict against Israel
Level: impossible
Don't insult the term impossible please
@@hellboundchaoscommand7567when has an arab army decisively defeat israel then? (After rereading the reply, i may have misinterpreted it)
lets be real without the usa it would have been over in the 50-60s its truly remarkable the most powerful nation is also run by jews lol
@@generictag1050 he was saying that an arab army defeating israeli forces was beyond impossible
@@generictag1050 You did but it's fine.
I'd like to see videos of Winter War if possible. Especially the battle of "Ratteen Tie"
skiing white men strikes fear on them brown machines
US: We are not selling F-22s outside of the US
IAF: No need.
Are you pretending Israel doesn't depend on American aid? This operation was performed with American F-15 fighter jets and American technology. I support the Israeli people, but I do NOT support pretending America is not why they are powerful. Be a better ally.
@@ManixT00 how is its aid if they bought the planes?
@@ManixT00they don't have f 22, f15, 16 and f 35 stealth jets
@@phillipmartinez9232 The Israelis have the F-16, F-15, and F-35. The F-16 "Netz" and F-15 "Ra'am" are both mentioned in this video. F-22 is not allowed to be sold outside of the US, but the F-35 is the most widely exported 5th gen aircraft and named the "Adir" in IAI service.
@@Planeman777 yeah I agree
First of all- well done on a great and informative video. ❤
This operation was described in books with many details missing due to military classification. It took Israeli military forum "Fresh" years to get these additional details, so please try to hold your horses with comparison to these books.
Just a few comments:
1. The F-4Es didn't use just AGM-88. Many different A/G standoff weapons were used, including GBU-15, Walleye, and some Israeli-made EO bombs like "Tadmit".
The various EO weapon videos from this operation are available on youtube.
2. In 1982, UAVs were used for intel only. No UAV was directly dropping ordnance on SAMs- those 1982 UAVs were small- but still bigger than an RC toy plane.
3. In the dogfights, the usage of AIM-7 wasn't that common. From Israeli F-15 sqn 133's scoreboard- most Migs were downed by F-15s with AIM-9s and the rest with AIM-7s and cannons. F-16A,Bs only had AIM-9 and cannons. And anyway, F-16A,B never had AIM-7s.
4. Another then-secret aspect- Israel developed ground-launched versions of the AGM-88 and AGM-45 , launched from various APCs and six-tracks. The missile had an extra booster.
5. One of the F-4E pilots was able to spot an escaping SAM-8 battery, had no bombs so strafed it with the cannon- he got decorated for that.
World of Warships, new ships every 5 weeks: 2 years to unlock one ship
War Thunder is worse
@@B1gZ10 World of Warships is worse
@@B1gZ10war thunder doesn’t take that long 😂
@@hdjono3351you are right! It takes much, much longer.
No seriously I have played war thunder on a new account for a hundred or so hours, I'm still not at top tier. World of warships? Within 2 months of on and off playing I already unlocked the Preußen...
World of Warships? More like World of Warplanes
I've never heard the words "sparrow air to air missle" and "deadly precision" in the same sentence 😏
Vietnam era sparrows: garbage
Desert Storm era sparrows: unstoppable
aim 7c to aim7f were schizophrenic and mentally unstable. aim 7M which Israel most likely had are insane in comparison.
That's probably because the more common phrase uses the correct spelling of missile.
Sparrow with bad maintenance : crap
Sparrow with good maintenance : great
The USAF high command blamed the equipment for their own failures in Vietnam.
@@Lvl100Boss Israel had AIM-7F back then
On that day, the entire IAF became the Demon Lords of the Beqaa Valley.
Israel just casually inventing both drone warfare and modern SEAD in one battle.
Wrong on both counts. The MQM 57 Falconer entered service in the 1950s. The first F100 Wild Weasels began operation in 1965
@thekinginyellow1744
The MQM 57 was not a modern drone capabilities wise and was not utilized within the modern context of drone warfare. It had very rudimentary remote piloting capabilities had no live feed from its cameras and was used as a miniaturized spy plane rather than a combat or tactical drone.
As to wild weasels that's why I said modern SEAD. Mole Cricket 19 was the first use of anti radiation missile equipped planes in concert with other air assets to achieve complete air dominance over defenses using planes.
@@AlbatrossCommando do you understand what the word "invent" means? clown
@@AlbatrossCommando Using a weapon first doesn't mean you invented it. Japs used their aircraft carriers before Americans, but that doesn't mean they invented the carrier
@@AlbatrossCommando Nonsense. This was all doctrine that the US developed in the 70s. Where the hell do you think the Israelis got the awacs and ew planes from in the first place. They may have been the first to use them in combat in that particular configuration, but "casually inventing both drone warfare and modern SEAD in one battle" is completely delusional.
I had the privilege to meet Amb. David Ivry in Washington D.C. in 2002. Amazing to see his handiwork through your fantastic video!
We followed this war closely when I was in the Army
Seems like Damascus and her friends should have just taken the advice: "Don't mess with the IDF. Period." But I guess each generation has to learn that lesson itself.
Israel used drones in the 80s when nobody even knew they existed
That’s not true at all lmao. We (the US) used drones in Vietnam, mainly the Ryan Model 147 series, they were well known by militaries around the world.
The US used drones in Vietnam. Look up the Ryan Model 147 Lightning Bug. Also the book, "Lightning Bugs and other Reconnaissance Drones" (1982) by William Wagner or "The 99th Strategic Reconnaissance Squadron: The Air Force’s Story of Unmanned Reconnaissance in the Vietnam War" (2017) by Steve Miller.
@@freakingabagool3510 the firebee drone was a pre-programed recon vehicle. the israeli drones could be controled in the air, and share information real time, inclouding with the fighters.
The father of drone technology was Israeli
Israel used UAVs already in the 1970s
The E2 Hawkeye was a game changer back then. And it was the air engagement that showed the world the importance of AEWACS planes
Anyone else feel like this guys voice would be a good narrator for Command & Conquer? Or any old RTS... I'd play it
The F-16 shown at 2:02 is the F-16D "Barak" not the F-16A "Netz"
the 2D model is of F16I and the brown on the phantoms is incorrect, but kidna nitpicking at that point
@@reeftaPhantoms are correct, per Shlomo Aloni.
@SirJamesSomerville99 i dont know who Shlomo Aloni is, but he might be color blind
Excellent video as always. I was not aware of the extent of Israeli use of unmanned aircraft.
Israel pretty much invented drone warfare. The US's interest in them arose precisely from this battle.
This videos are so high value. I wish youtube werent anti-history...
I have my snacks and drink in preperation for the inevitable incoming comments:
Which snacks? Popcorn?
@atomf9143 I have Malteasers and Squishees haha
I always find it funny the people who say "without America Israel would be dead"
Really...so we survived in 1948, 1956, 1967 and 1973 when our enemies had shitload of Soviet weapons (back then were pretty good) and during the Cold War we saved America' ass multiple time with our intelligence and by handing them a brand new working MiG-21.
It's called bilateral trade, while every single fighter jet / attack helicopter / cargo planes were all PURCHASED. Its literally public information that we paid for all of it in cash 😅
Jealous people just can't stop being jealous.
@@moshco23 Well, _that's_ not what i expected. And i've eaten all my snacks😭 I've never heard anyone say that Israel would be dead without America, not once... Genuinely speechless 🤔
I'm kind of confused on where all the arguing are. Might have been too early. Lmao.
That aside, really love how the quality has improved again! Thanks for a wonderful video!
Thank you for this excellent video! May the algorithm look favorably upon this video
They called it Area B7R
'Time to dive into the fireworks'
Yo buddy, you still alive?
the heavy losses by the IDF during the Yom Kippur war were more to do with US supplied ECM pods failing to work as advertised, hence the high kill ratio by SAM's
Great video. I refer to these as agnostic history as you do a great job of presenting all sides of these battles.
Great video, modern air engagements are so complex and it's great to see how all the pieces of these battles are put together.
What a great video, super comprehensive and interesting, every time I see one of your videos recently it puts into perspective the War on Ukraine, marvelous how those lads have done an amazing job with such a disadvantage. Thanks as always, cheers guys!
Where the F-15 earned its nickname as the "flying SAM battery".
6:19 I need more detailed information regarding Disney's role in the planning of this operation.
Thank you for this video, very informative. Also as far as I gather, the significance of this battle was very important for the Cold War overall...
I recently learned that I need to leave longer comments for it to count. Also, great informative video, thank you.
This video should have been sponsored by War Thunder, considering the Golan Heights is a map for air battles
Oh finally a detailed explanation about a famous air battle, I feel like no one has gone into detail about this battle before. Correct me if I’m wrong
A video mentions Israel?
And fighting an Arab nation?
I’m sure the comments will be civilized and respectful and people will have a civilized debate to solve their disagreement here
Mockery would be at its peak in the comment section.
Are you implying that a certain ethnicity cannot be civilised when talking about their history ?
I’m quite shocked.
@@xxx-lx6budude that's too explosive of a comment
@@xxx-lx6buI never implied that…
Idk where you got that from
@@xxx-lx6bu I believe his comment aimed at the heated debates that may be sparked by the mere mention of these two parties since there are still ongoing conflicts in the region. Notably, I feel like half the arguing is done not by members of either party but by 3rd parties armchair generalling on the thing or otherwise wanting to argue. Perhaps it is a human basic impulse to argue, which is why I assume you and I wrote our respective comments. Anyways, have a peaceful day without any further arguments.
Excellent video as always
6:23 I like how in the background of what is meant to be a serious image, is a young woman in a Mickey Mouse t-shirt.
Very informative and beautifully crafted video! Thank you!
its wild that western society is nearly 2 generations ahead in war tech than eastern societies.
We can't rest on our laurels. China has nearly caught up through industrial espionage. This was the same in the 1900s, Britain had the best tech, but America could churn out a design at warp speed because of it's massive industrial base. 2-3 short decades later the Americans had the technological lead. Similarly, the Chinese now have an ability to iterate rapidly, while ALL western nations typically have long manufacturing lead times and subpar industrial output compared to the Chinese. I think China makes 13x more steal than the United States, 30x more than Germany, 100x as much as France, and 150x as much as the UK. You can thank the financial elites of the west for this. Wall Street, the chaps at the in The City in London, and the German financial elites.
I remember that in the late 80s the Israeli Air Force was considered the best in the world, and all the whining about the F-15 ceased immediately. Also interesting to see how far the Sparrow had come since it's disappointing performance in Vietnam.
You see that now with the F-35. so much whining about budgets and capabilities mostly from people who have no idea what they're talking about. No we see it's a plane that can play around in hostile airspace thousands of miles away and come back without a scratch
You make amazing videos. Always happy to comment to support the algorithm
I wonder if, and when, full details of the recent Israeli strike on Iran will emerge. It will be quite interesting to say the least.
SEAD is something Russian never learn and still failed in 2022!
To be fair, they haven't fought as many wars where they needed to practice it as the USA (or Israel).
Yet they still managed to cripple many ukr air defense including newer western ones.
@@Dragonman1OOO Pretty sure they did not, otherwise we would see Russian Air Force plane flying over Kyiv now, not dropping glide bombs far behind the front line.
@@Dragonman1OOO We are talking comprehensive destruction of an ADA network that allows the attainment of partial or full air superiority, not "we knocked out this one system six months ago".
@@saturnv2419 Well if they wouldn't give a new toy every time one got striked they would be flying over that city now.
Israel... keeping the world safe since 1948
from abdol creeps
More like a settler colonialist state who is accused of a Genocide against a helpless native population
They couldn't see the Israeli fighters, and those F15/16s weren't even stealth aircraft! I can't even imagine what a large scale battle involving modern 5th gen fighters and significantly more EWAR will look like except complete chaos.
Love the vid!
Great to see new releases from this channel.
Thanks!
E-2 Hawkeye appreciation comment
Operations Room kicking ass at content creation as usual
Great video as always.
2:02 Please note that the image shows an F-16D Barak (recognizable by the spine) and not the F-16A/B Netz.
F-15s against MiG-21s has got to be one of the worst cases of the other air force is totally screwed.
Informative as always
Thank you kind sir for the video!
The AGM-78 Standard was a very successful anti-radar missile and was based upon a US Navy ship launched surface to air missile. First used in combat during the Vietnam War.
They had a range of over 70 miles and could “remember” the target location so turning off a radar after one had been locked and fired would not fool it.
I imagine that the Israelis considered thier stock of Standards very valuable.
Lastly a funny story about the Soviet RWR…the display unit had the top down silhouette of a Mig-21 regardless of what aircraft it was in only the Su-24 got a special RWR that was unique to Fencer.
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Ahhh so THIS is where they got the footage for Iron Eagle
Babe wake up new Operations Room just dropped on youtube.
Anyone else listen to these on play list while falling asleep
Okay at the 6:24 minute mark.
Amen I the only one who noticed the girl in the background with the flannel and Micky mouse shirts on?
I think RPV is awkward to say. I've been calling them Arpeeves for a decade and more.
Danke!
Great content as always
Great video! Thanks!
Can you cover the Mayaguez incident? Its an interesting and lesser known battle near the conclusion of the Vietnam war
Thanks mate
“Jane’s IAF” has a mission based on this.
Indeed. Many comments as an offering to the algorithms
A comment that hopefully helps your channel. Keep up the good work!
According to Israeli sources, most of the missiles launched were AIM-9Ls, not AIM-7 Sparrows.
It was both, but Sparrows in the first volleys from the flanks
@ AIM-7s probably did go first but I think that segment of the video overstated their usage when around around 50 were launched compared to 150 AIMs-9, and none of the Sparrows were fired from BVR ranges.
Ah yeah you're probably right, we did approximate the dogfight section as it's hard to animate and wasn't the focus of the video at the time. Although i do believe the Sparrows were BVR
@@TheOperationsRoom There's a rand review of the battle and the subsequent response to the battle by the Soviets. The review is titled "Moscow's Lessons From the 1982 Lebanon Air War." On page 23 of the pdf (page 8 of the body of the review), it notes that the IAF maintains that none of its kills were achieved BVR. It does however corroborate the rest of your video, which was still very high high quality mind you.
May this sacrifice to the algorithm bring you some success
Nicely informative video
this is one of the most defining air battles of modern warfare.
this is the first ever complete denial of enemy air defense in history
i actually have a podcast in hebrew interviewing the airforce chief at the time of the operation, its an hour long podcast, and he goes into alot of details regarding it, including comments he received from communist commanders about the battle. really interesting stuff
Where can I find that podcast?
I'd like to see this podcast
please do not tell them what is the name of the podcast
@@Itzix th-cam.com/video/W4r6xfFluAg/w-d-xo.html
@@liorgoldshtein2373 why not, it passed censoreship
we as men of the internet may have outgrown senseless keyboard fighting
Its weird this feels like something i have heard recently.
I'm sure these countries will not creat any additional content for this channel.
Thank you.
Wow in real life Fox-1s actually do something?
Vietnam is long way behind buddy