I don't get what's the long term goal here. Do they expect the woke college students who have never even heard of Warhammer to suddenly start buying Warhammer miniatures after they've started posting statements like that? Or is scaring off half of their actual customer base worth a pat on the back from the Twitter dwellers who will forget that GW exists the very next day? For fuck's sake. I'm not straight myself and yet I joined in on the hobby wagon to enjoy the setting as it was more than a decade ago. I didn't need inclusivity, queer characters nor unasked for empowerment. I just want a coherent fuckin universe that I can have fun with. I'm genuinely tired of authors and companies trying to make a political statement out of everything. Give us our hobby back, a place that we can go to in order to distract ourselves from our day-to-day lives which are already surrounded by political bullshit, pouring from every media source out there.
No, its easy to understand... theres a whole bunch of grey beards like me. Men who own the entire model range, so only ever buy a new release. On top of our current monetary contributions being minimal, we gate keep the community as subject matter experts with morals and standards. They want us gone, because we teach hobby hacks like "dont pay gw prices for clippers, knives, paint cups, or primer". We own older rule sets, and will share those better, but out dated rules preventing interest in new products. The people who made warhammer a thing in your town, are not wanted in the hobby by the company because we remember the good old days, and we dont put up with a bunch of fruitloop nonces trying to pervert our hobby. Femstodes dont offend the kids, or people whove only played since 9th, that shits intentionally there to drive off the grey beards with 30+ yrs of gw products in their collections. Youre going to find a guy like me in every hobby store. A guy who will only play a minor in a tournement setting, will refuse to play games against your my little pony marines, and sell you alternative products while bad mouthing gw's bad practices like fomo, or permitting scalpers, or femstodes.
@@francoismarion-eu3jq I guess I'm part time grey beard then 😅Not really, but close enough. I joined in 2006-2007 I think by randomly stumbling upon the Horus Heresy literature and then getting my hands on The Assault on The Black Reach. It was what. 5th edition, I think? I can't quite remember. Then it was on and off until a LARGE hiatus during the Fall of Cadia. I still refuse to stomach Gathering Storm and post-galaxy-wide-crack lore, using Dark Heresy as copium every now and then. That is if we exclude the politically correct direction GW has chosen to follow. But yeah, I feel more and more compelled to pay for the 3rd party alternative miniatures and entertain myself with painting and assembling. There's not that much left to enjoy really. Aside from the hobby part or finding a few dipshits like myself to pull out old ass wargame rules or half-forgotten FFG Roleplaying systems.
@@arbee2744 yeah, ive been building/converting to 30k for awhile now. For 40k, im just not playing less than 10k pts anymore, and if you cry about legends units, ill just slap ya with "the most recent printing of a data sheet is the one you should use for you games quote games workshop" and a 35yr old data sheet for an eldar tempest or some shit lol Hence why they want us gone....
It's particularly annoying with GW, since the people who actually founded and built the company are long gone. Remember a few years ago when GW made that statement to the effect of "The Imperium are also bad guys like everyone else"? I am sure it is really easy for modern GW to say that for Twitter brownie points. The people who created the setting are long gone, so why should they care about respecting the IP which they inherited? Just denounce the hard work of other people whom you currently make a living off of. GW are sawing off the tree branch that they are balanced on.
GW's been taking some bad faith hires for quite some time, at least from what I have heard, so it's really only a matter of time before the company sinks in my opinion. So hold on to your old physical copies (if you have them), and watch the company disintegrate in the next five years...
All companies do this. In reality most successful companies were successful due to a few people. As they replace them does not mean they get those few back. Its why major companies of the past are gone and why these are dying now.
@@Maulyr Correct. But I didn't say it was a directive from the top. I was thinking more of the creation of an environment where that tone of communication is seen as being acceptable - being in line with the company's new direction - permeating downwards.
@@peterdickinson4599 I think it might be a few idiots in the new Web team (as we know the chap who managed it until ~6 months ago) and a weak manager being exploited. I also think that shit rolls downhill so they got a talking to about this, haha
@SchalaZeal1 There are MANY different kinds of resin. Some casters even use hard plastic or metal. For most mainstream casters, you'd never know you weren't handling GW plastic.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming I backed it, but the links to 28 Mag and the Inq28 community in general have put me off for life. I've settled for A War Transformed. Thankfully that has flown under the radar for the time being, and it plays well too.
Fuck knows, honestly it's bizarre. Like I say I just don't know what this gains ANYONE except a very vocal minority that can say they "stuck it to the chuds". Say it's for anyone, get out of the ring and concentrate on making good product and an immersive universe. Preferably not at insulting prices.
sounds like we got the same problems with gw. I might write almost exclusively yuri romance stories but I never once thought 'oh warhammer should change for me' in fact the moment they changed I left warhammer. I want my warhammer and my lesbians in separate boxes thank you.
I held on to Warhammer because it was that last beacon not tainted by whatever you want to call it anymore, wokism. After all the other companies are learning, GW hasn't and wanted to be apart of "mainstream". It's just getting tiring because it is not even subtle with these companies anymore it is like they are trying to get a reaction. The targeted audience they are trying to impress does not give a shit about this company, nor will they buy and play the game, they don't even know ANYTHING about it besides there are space marines. I'm seriously losing interest in any company that uses words like inclusivity. It is pandering and just pathetic at this point. And I will play games with anyone and everyone, except these people.
Warhammer we grew up with has been dead a long time, since all the old lads have left the company, just look at all the new illustrations in the newer books (i refuse to call it art, cos compared to old books they're not art). GW is becoming just another cookie cutter DND Wizards of the coast clone
Been playing since 2nd edition and will always love it for the vehicle hit location damage tables.When a GW store came to town (temporarily) they gave me a boxed set of 4th edition and i read it over,liked the models.Thanks to MiniWarGaming videos i learned to play 5th edition.My local gaming store gave me the retro Rogue Trader hardcover rules so im kicking the tyres of that.My favourite edition will always be 2nd because of the aforementioned vehicle rules but also because of the "Pie plates of Doom"templates.Its just a game lads ,stick with what you and your buddies love.We vote with our wallets in this hobby and i dont like the whole revamp the system with scale creep mentality meant to phase our older models out of existence to guarantee perpetual sales.
As legions Imperialis is just about the only one of their current games I still play, I just hope they finish it. The other stuff I already own old physical.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming if we can get predators and basic leman russ boxes, finish off the marine and solar auxilia I’ll be happy. The community, and 3D printing can take it from there, for me….. I want marine super heavies and artillery and maybe breachers. They’ll do mechanicum as a third army, I’m sure but I suspect that’ll be it then. The game may even stop being supported in a couple of years - like aeronautica but I won’t care. I’ll have my ‘space marine’ back with updated rules and epic miniatures and terrain! They may go ‘full epic’ with xenos in years to come.
Yeah 40k is pretty much nose diving for me as well in terms of respect. You might not like the madness circulating about the direction Trench Crusade is heading though by the sounds of things...
Honestly as long as the setting of Trench Crusade stays the same I don't care who plays. I'd rather it stays totally APOLITICAL if anything. Being set in WWI I can't see much scope for modern sensibilities though if gays etc want to be represented I do think that would be interesting to implement given the nature of the various factions.
I'm going to take a wait and see approach. I have faith in Tuomas as a designer but I would rather stay clear of anything from either side of the "culture war" to be honest and just focus on wargaming like the good old days of the eighties before all this nonsense started.
I might be coming from the opposite opinion as most in the comment section, but to me seems like a joke that was taken the wrong way and they didn't realise at the time it could be understood in said way. If I was writing that I would probably be referring to not being inclusive to xenos, mutants or heretics (how dare you accidentally spill tea on the god emperors portrait kind of heresy included) but I think people are taking it very personally and thinking that they are being insulted as not being inclusive. The empire cares not for skin colour, or pronoun of preferred sex on your partner; only that you love the emperor of mankind and can hold a bolter or work yourself to death. that's why it doesn't make sense to take it to the context I think most people are taking it into. I'm honestly a little bit tired from both sides trying to make a big deal of our everything, still have Fem Custodes PTSD, if you like the miniatures great! but and paint them, if not then don't. I just want the community to stop making everything a giant deal out of everything and to love what your love and not love what you don't, but no point on screaming at everyone how terrible the thing they like is
I'm all for anyone being welcome to hobby/play but I DO feel that this was antagonistic. It's the exact kind of thing that I would expect to see on twitter. Maybe it was just badly worded and harmless but even so, it's a silly faux pa and given the attitude to GW atm with the lazy retcon and price increases I think I would have been more careful with the article. I do consider myself centrist I don't feel targeted by this at all, I just think it's a silly business move. I thank you however, for making your point in a very eloquent and reasonable way. :)
This isn't Star Wars nor Warhammer Fantasy, so by "The Empire" you must be referring to the Tau? But they don't love the Emperor...your comment makes no sense.
GW has been on the decline ever since they retconned Rogal Dorn's death and the Imperial Fists Primarch poop vault, and their related Primarch poop drinking ceremony.
Like every other company they think they hold all the power and can do no wrong. And the fact is, as long as the product is top shape, they're right. Disney, WB, Amazon, Neflix they've all wasted hundreds of millions to billions of dollars now, not because they're ridiculously woke, but because ridiculously woke companies can't allow talented people to thrive, and hiring for "diversity" almost always actually means hiring through "cronyism." I know Age of Sigmar is _struggling_ right now, you look at some of the model releases, you look at the lore, it's not a big surprise. A lot of people like jumping on the new "thing" but it's not new anymore. Necromunda is tapped out, Blood Bowl is tapped out, Underworlds is finished. GW is going to need talented people to keep their sales up, they're going to need fresh new ideas, they're going to need really great models. We'll see if they can do it.
What makes you think that AOS is struggling? A new edition was due for it so it's not like when 7E 40k was released 2 years early to combat a 25% share plummet. I don't do AOS so barely pay any attention to it, hence the asking 😁
Dominion still has copies on the shelves, fantasy space marines just have not generated a lot of enthusiasm, and even big fans of AoS have admitted their community has been dwindling through 3rd edition. Which is my biggest reason for seeing it as obviously struggling, people are saying casual players they know have not been playing much.
Matt would say almost exactly the same i reckon but it frustrates me no end when GW make these STUPID faux pa that are totally unnecessary. No need to piss people off more than they already are. Wouldn't be so bad if it was isolated instances.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming It's a bit glib and irritating, and tbh I think event the "woke" folk would think "er, ok whatever" but insofar as they're aware they're antagonising people who spent the last few weeks quite literally hoying their toys out of the pram and saying they'll never play again, so why would they care about antagonising them? But yeah tbh, don't care, more annoyed by price hikes and simultaneously quite interested by the new Necromunda stuff.
Shit like this just verifys my choice on leaving GW as a whole. Aint even going to buy the paints, and ive played for 20+ yrs. Not one more red cent is going to be spent.
This is honestly amateurish... they should not even have to put those employees to the torch, they should not have been able to post this in the first place. I wonder why their CFO sold so many shares... I wonder...
Has the article been edited? I went to see for myself and its just "Here we go, something undeniably Warhammer. Unambiguous, a little gothic, it’s got the lot. We don’t even need to guess what this is, really."
Yep. I put both versions in the vid that's how you can tell it's intentional by someone there. TBF I didn't believe it was real when I saw it was on FB till I checked it myself.
I call out shit when I see it. Always will and I don't make apologies for it. I think this latest thing is silly and unnecessary. No need for it. Like I say totally down for inclusion and all that jazz and I reckon most people are, but you can't alienate a large portion of your audience in the hope of attracting/placating a smaller percentage. That's just dumb.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming thats the worst part, they're *not* truely being inclusive, its all disingenious they don't want undesirables to stay and have happily said before they're free to leave, they *hope* you'll leave so they can keep doing this shit there is nothing they hate more then people they don't want putting the foot down and saying no people from all walks of life could join if they liked the property, sometimes small changes could be official or homebrew and no one batted an eye maybe even too many people who shouldn't been kept at the gates were let in, thats another debate but they aren't just alienating to placate a minority who will leave once their jobs finished and GW is no more, they actively celebrate the coming end somehow
@@Ankhtowe Recast, second hand and 3D prints. Don't even bother with GW paints, brushes or tools. Let their Pride crowd cough up money to support the company.
@@ColonelHoganStalag13 Exactly. There are mountains of options that are the same or better quality, but half or less of the cost and GW gets nothing from it.
Seriously? They always write rumour engine articles in sarcastic, ironic and self-deprecating style, so this time around it's really not worth to be mad about.
Man, you gotta stop reading so much into this stuff. It's a joke about a torch. Not a "woke" manifesto outlining their plans to replace every character with blue haired feminists of indeterminate gender. 😅
That's what they WANT you to think I tell you! My collection of singing cabbages told me so! Ok that's enough red dwarf references. But bear in mind they DID change it. That suggests to me that someone snuck it in there. But hey, I could be wrong. It just strikes me as very much what someone would put on twitter.
Evil can not create, only destroy. This is what happens when you invite an abomination into your house, instead of chasing them from your towns. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
They're antagonizing you because they don't need you. You're not half the audience, dude. You never were. Like the Warhammer is for Everyone statement said, you will not be missed.
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I don't get what's the long term goal here. Do they expect the woke college students who have never even heard of Warhammer to suddenly start buying Warhammer miniatures after they've started posting statements like that? Or is scaring off half of their actual customer base worth a pat on the back from the Twitter dwellers who will forget that GW exists the very next day?
For fuck's sake. I'm not straight myself and yet I joined in on the hobby wagon to enjoy the setting as it was more than a decade ago. I didn't need inclusivity, queer characters nor unasked for empowerment. I just want a coherent fuckin universe that I can have fun with. I'm genuinely tired of authors and companies trying to make a political statement out of everything. Give us our hobby back, a place that we can go to in order to distract ourselves from our day-to-day lives which are already surrounded by political bullshit, pouring from every media source out there.
I'd love this comment twice if I could but I can't so I'll just like it too.
No, its easy to understand... theres a whole bunch of grey beards like me. Men who own the entire model range, so only ever buy a new release. On top of our current monetary contributions being minimal, we gate keep the community as subject matter experts with morals and standards. They want us gone, because we teach hobby hacks like "dont pay gw prices for clippers, knives, paint cups, or primer". We own older rule sets, and will share those better, but out dated rules preventing interest in new products. The people who made warhammer a thing in your town, are not wanted in the hobby by the company because we remember the good old days, and we dont put up with a bunch of fruitloop nonces trying to pervert our hobby. Femstodes dont offend the kids, or people whove only played since 9th, that shits intentionally there to drive off the grey beards with 30+ yrs of gw products in their collections.
Youre going to find a guy like me in every hobby store. A guy who will only play a minor in a tournement setting, will refuse to play games against your my little pony marines, and sell you alternative products while bad mouthing gw's bad practices like fomo, or permitting scalpers, or femstodes.
@@francoismarion-eu3jq I guess I'm part time grey beard then 😅Not really, but close enough. I joined in 2006-2007 I think by randomly stumbling upon the Horus Heresy literature and then getting my hands on The Assault on The Black Reach. It was what. 5th edition, I think? I can't quite remember. Then it was on and off until a LARGE hiatus during the Fall of Cadia. I still refuse to stomach Gathering Storm and post-galaxy-wide-crack lore, using Dark Heresy as copium every now and then. That is if we exclude the politically correct direction GW has chosen to follow.
But yeah, I feel more and more compelled to pay for the 3rd party alternative miniatures and entertain myself with painting and assembling. There's not that much left to enjoy really. Aside from the hobby part or finding a few dipshits like myself to pull out old ass wargame rules or half-forgotten FFG Roleplaying systems.
@@arbee2744 yeah, ive been building/converting to 30k for awhile now. For 40k, im just not playing less than 10k pts anymore, and if you cry about legends units, ill just slap ya with "the most recent printing of a data sheet is the one you should use for you games quote games workshop" and a 35yr old data sheet for an eldar tempest or some shit lol
Hence why they want us gone....
It's particularly annoying with GW, since the people who actually founded and built the company are long gone. Remember a few years ago when GW made that statement to the effect of "The Imperium are also bad guys like everyone else"?
I am sure it is really easy for modern GW to say that for Twitter brownie points. The people who created the setting are long gone, so why should they care about respecting the IP which they inherited? Just denounce the hard work of other people whom you currently make a living off of. GW are sawing off the tree branch that they are balanced on.
GW's been taking some bad faith hires for quite some time, at least from what I have heard, so it's really only a matter of time before the company sinks in my opinion.
So hold on to your old physical copies (if you have them), and watch the company disintegrate in the next five years...
It does seem like lunatics are running the asylum!!
All companies do this. In reality most successful companies were successful due to a few people. As they replace them does not mean they get those few back. Its why major companies of the past are gone and why these are dying now.
Yup.
The activists are growing bolder.
And that always comes from the top.
Not always - I doubt this nonsense would've been corrected otherwise...
@@Maulyr Correct. But I didn't say it was a directive from the top. I was thinking more of the creation of an environment where that tone of communication is seen as being acceptable - being in line with the company's new direction - permeating downwards.
@@peterdickinson4599 I think it might be a few idiots in the new Web team (as we know the chap who managed it until ~6 months ago) and a weak manager being exploited. I also think that shit rolls downhill so they got a talking to about this, haha
This is why I play other games and only paint the occasional Oldhammer mini from eBay. Current GW doesn't deserve my money.
I don't even get them from Ebay, that's just asking to be ripped off as hard as GW, if not harder.
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Get your oldhammer minis from China and Russia, friend.
I have enough stuff to last me till I DIE. but... Those new plastic mechanicum.
@SchalaZeal1 China and Russia have plenty in stock.
@SchalaZeal1 There are MANY different kinds of resin. Some casters even use hard plastic or metal. For most mainstream casters, you'd never know you weren't handling GW plastic.
"Integrity of the setting"? Where have you been boss? That exited stage left over a decade ago.
Oh I know it did for GW though HH is doing ok. I'm talking about Trench Crusade :)
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming I backed it, but the links to 28 Mag and the Inq28 community in general have put me off for life. I've settled for A War Transformed. Thankfully that has flown under the radar for the time being, and it plays well too.
What is going on with their marketing team as of late?!?! Are they on drugs?
Fuck knows, honestly it's bizarre. Like I say I just don't know what this gains ANYONE except a very vocal minority that can say they "stuck it to the chuds".
Say it's for anyone, get out of the ring and concentrate on making good product and an immersive universe. Preferably not at insulting prices.
Mad isn't it? I suspect that we may be seeing a result of diversity > professionalism (and brand knowledge lol).
sounds like we got the same problems with gw.
I might write almost exclusively yuri romance stories but I never once thought 'oh warhammer should change for me' in fact the moment they changed I left warhammer. I want my warhammer and my lesbians in separate boxes thank you.
In my opinion, it comes down to arrogance. "It always has to be about me. Even when it's not."
I held on to Warhammer because it was that last beacon not tainted by whatever you want to call it anymore, wokism. After all the other companies are learning, GW hasn't and wanted to be apart of "mainstream". It's just getting tiring because it is not even subtle with these companies anymore it is like they are trying to get a reaction. The targeted audience they are trying to impress does not give a shit about this company, nor will they buy and play the game, they don't even know ANYTHING about it besides there are space marines.
I'm seriously losing interest in any company that uses words like inclusivity. It is pandering and just pathetic at this point. And I will play games with anyone and everyone, except these people.
part of "forcing behaviors" is removing alternatives. They don't like "no". Give it to them.
Identity is so important to them because they don't have one of thier own.
I legitimately think they ARE trying to destroy their own company
Oh wow... that is wild. They baiting a big part of their fanbase lol
It seems so counter productive and I just. Don't. Get. It.
Couldn't have put it better myself mate 👍
Cheers dude, I might be overreacting but it really frustrates me.
The fun thing is, as 40k is a setting in the future, from theire perspective, our views on inclusivity are massivly, horrendously outdated.
Warhammer we grew up with has been dead a long time, since all the old lads have left the company, just look at all the new illustrations in the newer books (i refuse to call it art, cos compared to old books they're not art).
GW is becoming just another cookie cutter DND Wizards of the coast clone
Aye, the old guard are mostly gone. Specialist games is pretty much all that remains.
Been playing since 2nd edition and will always love it for the vehicle hit location damage tables.When a GW store came to town (temporarily) they gave me a boxed set of 4th edition and i read it over,liked the models.Thanks to MiniWarGaming videos i learned to play 5th edition.My local gaming store gave me the retro Rogue Trader hardcover rules so im kicking the tyres of that.My favourite edition will always be 2nd because of the aforementioned vehicle rules but also because of the "Pie plates of Doom"templates.Its just a game lads ,stick with what you and your buddies love.We vote with our wallets in this hobby and i dont like the whole revamp the system with scale creep mentality meant to phase our older models out of existence to guarantee perpetual sales.
We will be doing our second edition retrospective in a few weeks and i can't WAIT to revisit those old tables.
I’m done with gw. They won’t get another dime out of me. I’ll 3d print stuff and if I like a gw model I’ll just go to a recaster. Done with the bs.
As legions Imperialis is just about the only one of their current games I still play, I just hope they finish it. The other stuff I already own old physical.
the new preview didnt fill me with hope. A second Tallarn book to come before we even think about getting to any other factions.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming if we can get predators and basic leman russ boxes, finish off the marine and solar auxilia I’ll be happy. The community, and 3D printing can take it from there, for me…..
I want marine super heavies and artillery and maybe breachers. They’ll do mechanicum as a third army, I’m sure but I suspect that’ll be it then. The game may even stop being supported in a couple of years - like aeronautica but I won’t care. I’ll have my ‘space marine’ back with updated rules and epic miniatures and terrain! They may go ‘full epic’ with xenos in years to come.
You can 3d print every model in Legions. i have a huge Iron Hands army, not a single official model in sight
Couldn't agree more, thanks for making this video
Yeah 40k is pretty much nose diving for me as well in terms of respect. You might not like the madness circulating about the direction Trench Crusade is heading though by the sounds of things...
Honestly as long as the setting of Trench Crusade stays the same I don't care who plays. I'd rather it stays totally APOLITICAL if anything. Being set in WWI I can't see much scope for modern sensibilities though if gays etc want to be represented I do think that would be interesting to implement given the nature of the various factions.
Plus the rules for TC are like a breath of fresh air imo
I'm going to take a wait and see approach. I have faith in Tuomas as a designer but I would rather stay clear of anything from either side of the "culture war" to be honest and just focus on wargaming like the good old days of the eighties before all this nonsense started.
I might be coming from the opposite opinion as most in the comment section, but to me seems like a joke that was taken the wrong way and they didn't realise at the time it could be understood in said way. If I was writing that I would probably be referring to not being inclusive to xenos, mutants or heretics (how dare you accidentally spill tea on the god emperors portrait kind of heresy included) but I think people are taking it very personally and thinking that they are being insulted as not being inclusive. The empire cares not for skin colour, or pronoun of preferred sex on your partner; only that you love the emperor of mankind and can hold a bolter or work yourself to death. that's why it doesn't make sense to take it to the context I think most people are taking it into. I'm honestly a little bit tired from both sides trying to make a big deal of our everything, still have Fem Custodes PTSD, if you like the miniatures great! but and paint them, if not then don't. I just want the community to stop making everything a giant deal out of everything and to love what your love and not love what you don't, but no point on screaming at everyone how terrible the thing they like is
I'm all for anyone being welcome to hobby/play but I DO feel that this was antagonistic. It's the exact kind of thing that I would expect to see on twitter. Maybe it was just badly worded and harmless but even so, it's a silly faux pa and given the attitude to GW atm with the lazy retcon and price increases I think I would have been more careful with the article. I do consider myself centrist I don't feel targeted by this at all, I just think it's a silly business move.
I thank you however, for making your point in a very eloquent and reasonable way. :)
This isn't Star Wars nor Warhammer Fantasy, so by "The Empire" you must be referring to the Tau? But they don't love the Emperor...your comment makes no sense.
@@Ankhtowe My apologies, the "Imperium of Manking" it's very different
Just spilling tea is a profanity in itself FFS 😁
GW has been on the decline ever since they retconned Rogal Dorn's death and the Imperial Fists Primarch poop vault, and their related Primarch poop drinking ceremony.
Like every other company they think they hold all the power and can do no wrong. And the fact is, as long as the product is top shape, they're right. Disney, WB, Amazon, Neflix they've all wasted hundreds of millions to billions of dollars now, not because they're ridiculously woke, but because ridiculously woke companies can't allow talented people to thrive, and hiring for "diversity" almost always actually means hiring through "cronyism."
I know Age of Sigmar is _struggling_ right now, you look at some of the model releases, you look at the lore, it's not a big surprise. A lot of people like jumping on the new "thing" but it's not new anymore. Necromunda is tapped out, Blood Bowl is tapped out, Underworlds is finished. GW is going to need talented people to keep their sales up, they're going to need fresh new ideas, they're going to need really great models. We'll see if they can do it.
We're it not for heresy and specialist games I doubt id even still be about. I do expect that new AOS box to sell well though.
What makes you think that AOS is struggling? A new edition was due for it so it's not like when 7E 40k was released 2 years early to combat a 25% share plummet. I don't do AOS so barely pay any attention to it, hence the asking 😁
Dominion still has copies on the shelves, fantasy space marines just have not generated a lot of enthusiasm, and even big fans of AoS have admitted their community has been dwindling through 3rd edition. Which is my biggest reason for seeing it as obviously struggling, people are saying casual players they know have not been playing much.
@@itsallfunandgames723 Gotcha - thanks for the reply!
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@GrumpyGrognardGaming It's sad really , some of us have been in the hobby most of our lives. Hard to watch something you love destroy itself.
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I think this GW bit of "inclusivity" is part of a larger attack on normalcy. It's happening everywhere across all industries.
I.. think you might be overreacting. Although tbh it did say grumpy grognard on the door so I knew what I was letting myself in for.
Matt would say almost exactly the same i reckon but it frustrates me no end when GW make these STUPID faux pa that are totally unnecessary. No need to piss people off more than they already are. Wouldn't be so bad if it was isolated instances.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming It's a bit glib and irritating, and tbh I think event the "woke" folk would think "er, ok whatever" but insofar as they're aware they're antagonising people who spent the last few weeks quite literally hoying their toys out of the pram and saying they'll never play again, so why would they care about antagonising them?
But yeah tbh, don't care, more annoyed by price hikes and simultaneously quite interested by the new Necromunda stuff.
Exclusivity > Inclusivity
Shit like this just verifys my choice on leaving GW as a whole. Aint even going to buy the paints, and ive played for 20+ yrs. Not one more red cent is going to be spent.
Perfect
This is funny to me though, we get less assholes by triggering them out the hobby
thay can onley infletrate consume and distroy
Look at who owns shares and u will get ur answer
Correction you can exclude white men.
I'm already out. I've been out.
This is honestly amateurish... they should not even have to put those employees to the torch, they should not have been able to post this in the first place.
I wonder why their CFO sold so many shares... I wonder...
...Friggin Lame's Workshop
Has the article been edited? I went to see for myself and its just "Here we go, something undeniably Warhammer. Unambiguous, a little gothic, it’s got the lot. We don’t even need to guess what this is, really."
Yep. I put both versions in the vid that's how you can tell it's intentional by someone there. TBF I didn't believe it was real when I saw it was on FB till I checked it myself.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming Incredible... I mean, reguardless of validity, GW has earned its burning
I call out shit when I see it. Always will and I don't make apologies for it. I think this latest thing is silly and unnecessary. No need for it.
Like I say totally down for inclusion and all that jazz and I reckon most people are, but you can't alienate a large portion of your audience in the hope of attracting/placating a smaller percentage. That's just dumb.
@@GrumpyGrognardGaming thats the worst part, they're *not* truely being inclusive, its all disingenious
they don't want undesirables to stay and have happily said before they're free to leave, they *hope* you'll leave so they can keep doing this shit
there is nothing they hate more then people they don't want putting the foot down and saying no
people from all walks of life could join if they liked the property, sometimes small changes could be official or homebrew and no one batted an eye
maybe even too many people who shouldn't been kept at the gates were let in, thats another debate
but they aren't just alienating to placate a minority who will leave once their jobs finished and GW is no more, they actively celebrate the coming end somehow
Oh FFS 😑
That was me! But with more swearing 😁
It’s hilarious how seriously you’re taking this 😂
I know what you mean - he's really leaning into the "Grumpy Grognard" aspect of his channel. 😅
Sometimes the grump just boils to the surface 😅 It's horrifically unprofessional of GW though, they should (and do, going by the edit) know better.
@@Maulyr it’s not horrifically unprofessional. It was frikking hilarious 🤣
@@jonscott6459 If you say so lol
Bro calm down stop having a baby-man meltdown over this
I have a hand full i want to buy and then am done
Don't even get those. Buy them recast instead. You'll get them at half the cost, the same or higher quality, and GW doesn't get a penny.
@@Ankhtowe Recast, second hand and 3D prints. Don't even bother with GW paints, brushes or tools. Let their Pride crowd cough up money to support the company.
@@ColonelHoganStalag13 Exactly. There are mountains of options that are the same or better quality, but half or less of the cost and GW gets nothing from it.
Seriously? They always write rumour engine articles in sarcastic, ironic and self-deprecating style, so this time around it's really not worth to be mad about.
is this... satire?
Man, you gotta stop reading so much into this stuff. It's a joke about a torch. Not a "woke" manifesto outlining their plans to replace every character with blue haired feminists of indeterminate gender. 😅
That's what they WANT you to think I tell you!
My collection of singing cabbages told me so!
Ok that's enough red dwarf references. But bear in mind they DID change it. That suggests to me that someone snuck it in there. But hey, I could be wrong. It just strikes me as very much what someone would put on twitter.
hahaha cope
0/10. Must try harder.
Evil can not create, only destroy. This is what happens when you invite an abomination into your house, instead of chasing them from your towns. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
They're antagonizing you because they don't need you. You're not half the audience, dude. You never were. Like the Warhammer is for Everyone statement said, you will not be missed.