Appreciate the detailed review! Please do more of these “cheapest ____ worth a damn” reviews. As a poor it’s nice to see videos on things I may actually one day afford.
@@Samos900 I hear ya. Been wanting an LPVO since 2020 and just managed to pick up a super budget Amazon one last year when it was on sale for $125 just to get a taste of the 1-6 magnification.
@@nicks9541 if you do look to upgrade, the Sig 1-6 and vortex 1-6 are sold for 300 or less with mount all the time. I had the old gen vortex and it was quite nice for how cheap it is
@@CatholicKit thanks! The sig is on my list and I’ve heard good things about the Vortex. But our boy Brass Facts has an affiliate link for the Sig… gotta help our guy out!
In the Primary Arms storefront they often have open box 2.5x-10x for $450-$500. They regularly (every few months) have Open Box sales online too but those sell out in the first few hours.
Nice, that's awesome. I have the 3x18 hud DMR for the SPR (with offset sights) looking to get same set-up for my poor man's PA-10 build but I can't find the damned thing anywhere
Bought the athlon 2-12mil, and oh boy, this review is 100% spot on!!!!! For the quality, value, ranges its capable of, and the eyebox, which im slapping myself across the face on the "how did they accomplish this" I humbly thank you! On my 308 build, im going to get the ares 3-18 with ultra spec glass! That scope is another grand slam!!! Thank you! Sincerely, Mark Golden!
Happy to see Athlon getting some love here. I have their Ares ETR, BTR, and Midas BTR lpvo and couldnt be happier with the overall quality for the price.
Ended up getting the MOA version, which brings the stadia lines in and is easier to pick up on the low end. Also, there is a zero stop, you have to set it after you zero. Not a bad piece of kit, thanks for the video.
I have their 3-12 Talos SFP Mildot scope, it's respectable and has better clarity than the Vortex I had for a brief time. I think the smaller magnification range allows it to be lighter and with less glass allows more light through.
I've been wanting to get one of those! Great price, mildot, lightweight, good warranty. Just need to be mindful that the reticle is valid only at 10x. I ultimately decided to just save up more for the FFP scope. I have 3 other FFP's on other guns....so it would actually be a pain for me personally to learn to run a SFP well. But for weight savings, capped turret, SFP shooting with a parallax knob...seems great!
Remember, FFP and SFP aren't one being better than the other, rather the two serve different purposes. A SFP like the one I have is best suited for holdover shooting where you aren't adjusting via the turrets and is usually recommended for shots that don't deviate your trajectory much past your zero distance. FFP is your longer range work that needs a holdover programmed into the reticle. General rule of thumb is that if the shot goes beyond your zero distance by more than 200yds then a FFP can increase your hit probability. But this also depends on your use case. Hunting is better suited to SFP where it collects light better and your trajectory isn't going to extend above the height of your game animal. FFP would be better for target\competition shooting or longer range hunting such as Elk out west or for sniping at Wendigo. I recommend playing with a ballistics chart and determine what's right for your most likely use case. A good BDC reticle and a moderate power scope can handle most situations. Intuitive holdovers are best for a DMR and dial turrets are better for single shots that need to matter.
@@luckyomen SFP is def better for any gun where you arent trying to make precise use of your reticle information, or you *know* you will only use the information at max magnification. It's easier to find your reticle on SFP, and you still get a reticle outside of the proper eye box. FFP is better when you need usable holds at different magnifications, whether an SPR, "sniper", or an air gun!
You're right, FFP is a great adaptability tool. I just personally like to keep my variable scopes simple since I only use them at known distances. My combat preference would be a fixed power prism with a BDC on a semi auto. One shot, one kill is for professional snipers, and I only care about that when hunting.
Athlon makes really good optics. Their budget optics are good, their higher tier optics are fuckin sick. After sending my vortex optic bac on 3 separate occasions and getting 3 replacements I decided to try Athlon. My 6.5 Creedmoor PRS rifle has a gen 2 Ares ETR 4.5-27 and I have a Chronos on my 300 PRC. They are both amazing optics. I have one of their LPVOs but haven't had a chance to play with it much so I can't recommend that one yet.
Brock I got excited there thought the Elcan Bomb Review was dropping 🙂. You've done a ton of work helping to elucidate the pros and cons of our options for optics. It's my biggest struggle as it represents huge potential losses in dollar terms.
I hope you review the US Optics TS-12X. I’m running it with the MHR on my 18” DD SPR. It’s 3-12x, 30mm tube with 44mm objective, FFP and pretty light weight. It’s compact as well, almost too short and was kinda difficult getting it mounted on BadgerO COMM. I went that route so I could run a 35* rmr that sits on the same focal plane so theoretically the zero remains the same. In practice, eh… kinda. The glass is clear (enough) and gathers quite a bit of light, but gets fish eye a bit. They sent a signed inspection sheet from the factory, which is nice. So far it’s been doing well for me, though admittedly I haven’t been able to stretch its legs past 200m to see just how well it tracks at higher rangers. Not a bad optic for ~$600 dollhairs considering its Chinesium origins. Shame that something called US Optics sells China products, but that’s our economic situation I guess.
I have this scope mounted on my aero .308 currently and I love it. it's worth noting that this was the first rifle scope I've bought, so many of the things that you notice, I simply don't. The illumination certainly could be a bit brighter, and it seems to be most useful for dusk shooting against dark backgrounds in my experience or if your target it shadowed. I also have a slightly different reticle (AHMR2 MOA) where instead of the center dot it has a center cross hair with MOA holds, and I wouldn't change it. I love shooting this "battle rifle style" inside of 50 yards and it's very usable in that range, even up to maybe 20 yards, but I also have offset irons which are more useful under .308 recoil. 300 yards is the farthest my local range goes so that's as far as I've pushed it but 2-5" circle gongs are a breeze in that range. All in all I love it and I am trying to find some ranges near me to push the distance on this scope, and I plan on mounting it to a 18-20' barreled SPR(ish) rifle sometime in the next year. Great vid and I audibly laughed because this video came out about a month after I bought the scope so thanks for validating my choice lmao.
All a scope is, is an aiming assist. If its low light performance works for you, then it works for you! If you're at the range and another shooter offers you a look through their $3k glass at dawn or dusk, you may find yourself cracking open your wallet - or not. Depends on your own vision (youth, eyeglass Rx or no, etc). Younger shooters have fewer image resolution issues. Look at how long the military issued 10x as their distance/sniper scopes. Young eyes are usually not as picky! Reading about scopes can induce doubt about your current optic. Don't let peer pressure etc persuade you that your current optic sucks. If it works for you, it works for you. When you're behind the glass ready to break a shot, you're not Ansel Adams looking for optimum landscape resolution at great distance for a wall-sized frame-able photograph. You're just trying to make a precise shot.
I'm trying to decide between the MOA and MIL flavors of the Athlon Helos BTR. I've never seen the MOA version anywhere other than Athlon's website, but in comparing it to the MIL version on their website, the MOA reticle looks noticeably smaller. Were you able to compare the 2 in person before buying the MOA version? My point is, are the crosshairs fine enough on the MOA version as to not impede seeing the target at 12X at distance, but is the reticle large enough to be useable at 2X? Thanks!
I'm quite liking this as an option for the 18" BRN-180 I've been working on. If the turrets were shorter, or possibly even capped due to the reticle, it'd probably be the frontrunner
I have the MOA version, meant to buy the MIL version but added the wrong one to the cart cause I didn't read well enough when I finally ordered it. The MIL reticle is way better than the MOA. The dot in the middle of the MIL lends itself to precision much better than the ridiculously thick cross hairs in the MOA.
Told you so ! Btw, I've seen it on Amazon for $300 before. If you want a flippy objective cap. Vortex Defender O-40. The O-44 is just a hair too big to fit properly.
The Parallax adjustment is VERY much affected by the Ocular lens adjustment. You can adjust the Ocular lens and cause the Parallax knob to be VERY accurate, but then your crosshairs might not be sharp and clear. It's obvious that sharp and clear crosshairs is a lot more important that having a Parallax knob that is spot on. I think for most scopes the Parallax knob is accurate only when someone with perfect 20/20 vision has adjusted the Ocular lens.
The parallax knob on all my side-focus scopes is not "accurate" with any sort of precision. My eyeglass Rx is pretty bad, perhaps this interplay you mention explains part of that. I don't think folks who whinge about the imprecise parallax markings shoot very much. They just look for nits to pick, to feel "ripped off". It's a weird mindset. The parallax knob is there to adjust your focus, to make your reticle sharp as you need compared to the target focus. The only time I pay attention to the numbers marked is when I am going from 100 to 300 or vice-versa, and forgot where I last left the parallax. I look through the scope and it looks janky, I pull back and glance at the dial, is it near 100 or is it near 300, then I dial accordingly, look again and fine-tune. Easy-as.
@@seanoneil277 Yeah, I don't know why they even bother to put numbers on the Parallax dial to begin with. Some don't, which I like. Sadly though it's possible to dial in the sharpest and clearest image and STILL have parallax. Being parallax free is much more important than having the sharpest image. If you dial in the sharpest image and there is still a slight bit of parallax present, play with the ocular lens dial to get the sharpest image AND be parallax free at the same time. You may end up finding that the reticle ends up being JUST SLIGHTLY out of focus or somewhat softened edges. Who cares so long as you can still read the reticle and find the center dot quickly. If I had to choose between a super sharp parallax free image or a super sharp reticle, I'll take the super sharp parallax free image any day of the week.
I want to see a review on the Leupold vx-5 2-10! Fire dot reticle seems pretty sweet in combination with a CDS dial, would be a good higher end comparison to the Athlon and Primary Arms
Been thinking about picking one of these up for quite a while now. Almost grabbed on right before Xmas to put on my Zastava m77 but ended spending my money on kids.
Any chance of the new vortex strike eagle 3-18x 44 being in the SPR Optic show down? And might I suggest the 1951 USAF resolution test chart as a quantitative category.
I’ve had this scope for about 6 months. It has the features I want in a “SPR” scope. My only complaint was addressed in this video. Those damn turrets are tall and scuttled my plans for a 12 o’clock RMR. Offset it is then. Still a good scope.
Instead of spending a fortune for a 2-10, I opted for the Opmod PA 4-14x44 with HUD DMR reticle, and a top mounted Holosun 407c. Running m193 primarily, check the trajectory on a 4.5" height above bore and 70 yard zero for the dot. Canting your rifle towards your non dominant eye and using it to aim in close quarters is a very decent solution to a lack of real low end magnification. The scope also gives you a VERY usable reticle, great glass clarity for the price, and the only two issues I have with it are a lack of locking turrets and/or no zero stop. You CAN fix the zero stop issue, though, with the same fix people use with the SWFA Super Sniper shim fix. Just look it up. You'll have to make your own shims, though, or find them on McMaster
As a side note, the US Optics TS 12x has had my attention for a while. I use the TS-25X on my 308 AR, and I'm very pleased with it. Found it on Scopelist for $650. If the TS12 is anything like the 25, it's a great scope.
I was really torn between the athlon 2-12 and swampfox 2-12. But ended up with the swampfox. I haven't seen the athlon in person yet but im happy with the swampfox. The glass seems better than my other athlon scope. Hopefully youll validate my purchase in your review
Has Swampfox been around long enough to truly know what their stuff is really about? Athlon, as BF said, was once in the Amazon blind grab bag Territory price wise but has shown to be reliable and a good value.. just asking, not bashing.
@@marvinbrock960 Swampfox, like all of its competitors, does not make its own scopes. It gives design & technical specs to optics mfrs. You will see great core similarities among all the scopes in this sub-1k tier, as there are only a few optcs manufacturers doing contract work for companies like Swampfox, Athlon, Primary Arms, Arken, Tract, etc. I have an Arrowhead 1-8x that I think is very good for its price, and I think the 1-6x would have been a better choice as 8x requires more engineering and better glass than this price tier allows. The eyebox gets fussy and the lighting is dim at 8x on the Arrowhead. But coloring is clean, and the glass is crisp otherwise. I like the BDC reticle despite knowing the ammo-specific issue with BDCs. The green illumination is nice and the range of illumination very useful to my eyes. I think they made a nice product with the Arrowhead and I'd wager the Kentucky Long 2-12x is similarly nice, and probably better at lower lighting with a bigger objective lens.
Id love to see how you have your DOPE set up. Thats something I need to do next for the my SPR i just put together. Absolutely love my PrimArms 4-14 ACSS
I really appreciate the effort and info you put into all your content. but I have to say, I'm often distracted by the breathtaking places that you shoot. Not saying that as a negative, it just adds to your content. Curious what part of the us this is.
I ran one on an aero ultralight mount on my ultralight KP-15 receiver build pencil barrel coyote gun and it was a dream to carry that gun. That's a great scope for hunting. It really needs parallax adjustment and illumination for a more tactical spr usage. But, the build quality and the glass is great for the price and the weight is ridiculous. I had a SWFA SS HD 1-4 that was fantastic too. Never should have sold either of those scopes.
Will keep an eye on this, in hopes that they update the reticle with a reduced center dot size. 1 MOA doesn't work for guns that shoot sub-MOA. thanks.
I went with the PA GLX 4-16x with Athena BPR reticle. I think it’s the same price as the 2-10x but it’s 1 oz heavier and 1” longer. You’re one of my favorite channels and still I am part of your subscribe star. Thank you.
I think if you are running offset red dot a low end of 3 or 4x is fine. Actual use of 2x is pretty limited once you have the dot to cover 0-50yds, although it can be good for wide FOV for target acquisition. If giving up the 2x can get you a better eye box at 12x, it’s worth considering. The athlon 10-12x range is tricky to use without a good shooting position. Although at ranges where you want 12x you probably have time to build a stable shooting position. Otherwise, you’ll learn to prefer using the Athlon in the 6-9x range where the eye box feels a lot bigger.
I like that you pointed out that this scope is really best if you plan to run 2x. It's a good magnification that is more usable than a 3x...but it's still magnification, so important for folks to realize that. It simply cannot compete with a red dot for red dot ranges or red dot shooting positions.
It could be serviceable at 2x minus offset RDS, if the shooter trained a lot. And I mean a lot. But the same could be said for anything. Ask anyone who was issued an ACOG about getting used to 4x all the time.
I have a Talos 3-12x from Athlon on my lr308, and I really like it for the price. Honestly the glass in Athlon scopes performs a lot better than most other things in their price range.
I like the chevron generally, but at 4x or greater I tend to appreciate less obscuring of my aiming point's region. The chevron tip is very precise but what's beneath it is obscured by the chevron. I say this as a user of the 507C ACSS RDS, and the 503G ACSS tube sight both w/ and w/o 3x magnifier. I don't think I would like it much on a distance/precision scope. But I could make it work if I had to, I'm sure.
As a shooter, I'm not a big fan of the Christmas tree reticles, but if you're spotting for someone and pulling off followup shots (ie two man 308 AR shooter team) the Christmas tree makes calling holds, or following up for the primary shooter if you're running the same barrel length and ammo, SUPER fast. My brother and I have practiced this ad nauseum. We routinely use the USO TS-25X in this manner. We run the same ammo, same barrel length and same zero. We both aim center mass. He shoots... I spot. If he misses, I adjust point of aim to which point on my reticle his shot hits, call the shot as I'm firing, he adjusts aim, and presto. Back to back impacts. We both run the same dope card for our guns taped to the inside of the eyepiece scope cap. The only time consuming task is measuring and ranging with mils. The more we do it, the faster we both get though.
I think for an SPR a simple christmas tree is fine, but some of them have way too much information clutter. An SPR is not supposed to be a target rifle or a "sniper" rifle, its still supposed to be a functional fighting rifle.
I use the Argos on a 6.5 Grendel. I went with is as I did not know if I was going to enjoy shooting out to farther distances than I had previously with my 16inch 556 with a 1-6. Still happy with the setup.
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Really like the content on your channel. Not exactly budget but take a look at the vortex 3-15 Razor LHT. 19ounces and excellent glass and reticle for an SPR. Also a ranger band stretched over the zoom ring makes a huge difference if you don't have a throw lever. Kind of a bandaid but actually works quite well.
Sadly the 3-15 Razor LHT is Second Focal Plane and the reticle does not have holds for wind, which means it's more setup as a high end hunting scope than a SPR scope, still a great scope, the 4.5-22 LHT though does have those features and not much heavier, however that is too much magnification for an SPR in my opinion. I'd hold on to my cash, solid rumors are some good scopes for this sort of use are going to be announced at SHOT show this month.
The athlon 8x to-34x w56mm objective I put on my 6.5CM Ruger Precision is good & cheap, $o I would 'chance' your 2x to 12x -44mm SPR recommendation. Your videos are great, and inform with entertaining humility. Thank for sharing knowledge & testing practices 👍🇺🇲💩
I've been looking for something compact because I use a 10" handguard on my rifle. The Vudu is a 5x scope (5-25) is roughly 10 inches long, and the Nightforce ATACs(?) is an 8x scope (2.5-20) at roughly 11 inches long. I emailed vortex about doing something like a 3-18x (useable low end with excellent high end for observation, 6x erectors are childs play now that LPVOs forced the market) in a compact package in the 10 inch-ish range. They said they had plans for something, but thats about all.
Yo WTF, I’ve been researching this optic HEAVILY the last few days, along with re-watching all of your SPR videos, and was just about to buy it. HOW DID YOU KNOW BRASS FACTS, CEASE YOUR WITCHCRAFT!
Nice work. About the 2x "minimalism" -- with offset RDS your 2x becomes your "big FOV" identification setting rather than primary aiming. Also, that "half-a-T" reticle certainly can be used for deer-, hog-, or terrible hominid- sized targets I'd wager. Adding an illuminated dot in the center would probably throw the price $250-300 upward. I'd also say this one's a tossup against the Swampfox competitor, based on having an Arrowhead 1-8X that is surprising for its price, if the Swampfox reticle works for the person. Hard to find good value in this price range. My experience with the Swampfox in dim light pushed me to spend a bit more for this application. That's where these sub-1k optics show their limits. Sharper resolution, better coloration at distance and in dim light. Bigger objectives can help too, if you'll lug the weight. I ended up w/ Credo 2.5-15x thanks mostly to its specs/features and EuroOptic's blowout of Credos. Spent a bit more than the Athlon / Swampfox / PA versions you mentioned here, all of which I compared along with a Tract model which almost got the nod, but for the lack of illumination. Also on the tube-mount RDS, I think Trijicon's is a bit cheaper than LaRue's. But not by much.
i’m a little late to the party, but what do you think about the credo 2.5-15? i’ve been eyeing it and i haven’t seen many reviews other than older, more broad reviews about the entire credo line in general. if you could get back to me i’d appreciate it.
@@mikikoshootsguns I like it a lot. I have several other Credos, a pair of 4-16x SFP, and a 3-9x SFP. Their picture quality, reticle usefulness and illumination all are perfectly fine for my uses/needs. Weight is good, and the prices at EuroOptic earlier this year made them a good deal. I'm not a glass snob, I'm not Ansel Adams taking crystalsharp images of great definition, I'm using an aiming device. I don't see any purple fringing, other distortion, or loss of crispness anywhere in the mag range on any of my Credos. They all are good in evening light. I'm sure some glass snobs and/or brand snobs have reasons to say the Credos aren't worth anyone's $$ but I'm not that sort of snob. I think they're very good.
@@seanoneil277 i’m glad you enjoyed your purchase, i’m gonna try to pull the trigger on a 2-10 early next year if prices are still good. i appreciate your feedback.
I bought an Athlon once but it wouldn't track and would not hold a zero. Sent it back and wont touch another, maybe I am over reacting but I prefer not to have to deal with the possibilities and find out too late and not be able to return it. I currently run a Vrtx Viper Gen 1 2-10x on my SPR. Only thing I'm not super keen on this scope is the 2nd focal plane and the zero stop. I have considered buying the Gen2, and I do run a 3-18 gen 2 viper on my bolt gun, but I got the Gen 1 for under $300 on sale, so can't beat that with the warranty you get from vortex.
My poors submission: Burris Full field lV 3x12-56 illuminated E3 reticle w their peer mount fwd pic rail included for future holosun. Appalachian SPR shorter range use cases, budget, getting away without parallax adj, no dialing
Great review. Who makes that hoodie? My next scope will be that GLx 2.5-10 you’re constantly raving about. Too bad about the Chevron, but I‘ll give it a go😃
Athlon is awesome. I own this scope on my coyote rifle, their Ares ETR 1-10 on my main AR, the Ares BTR 2.5-15 on my bolt 308, and the Ares ETR 4.5-30 on my 300 win mag. Dollar for dollar they're very, very tough to beat. There's a reason they're dominating in the base class long range competitive shooting sports. I'm surprised Brassfacts didn't mention the zero stop. They have an excellent, true zero stop design that really sets them apart from similarly priced scopes. Often even spendier scopes don't have any zero stop function, but most Athlons do, and it's a really really good one.
Do you think something like a 3-18x would be a better SPR scope? Seems like a slight compromise on the low end with a big benefit in high-end magnification.
depends Do you need 18x? It's not a competition to get more mag. Just get what you need. You ready to pay? Not just in cost, but often weight. I personally wouldn't want to give up a 2x.
I got one of these an immediately sent it in for service... Short story: When I'd rotate to max magnification there was a large random dot etched in the lense that was not part of the reticle.
If it’s the one I’m thinking of, it doesn’t have any parallax adjustment, which is a big big drawback. Plus, capped turrets, a 2nd focal plane and I can’t remember how good the reticle is. I was initially excited when I discovered it too, but the noticed the small details of it.
I was just listening to your Field Rifle/Recce Lite video earlier and you mentioned that you had a bunch of problems with the WWSD. Do you plan on making a video discussing it?
Anyway we could get a comparison to the Swamp Fox Warhawk 2-10X44 with the RECCE MIL reticle? I too like RECCE scopes and I am looking for the best one for a lower price. I have the PA GLX, Trijicon Credo 2.5-15X56 and a Bushnell one but they each have one thing that is missing from the other.
I like this better than the PA 2.5-10x. The PA is less than the sum of its parts. You don’t really use the turrets in practice because the reticle is a vague chevron that’s not conductive for dialing. The Athlon 2-12x has a better reticle you can dial for and glass with better contrast and less CA.
You saved my ass... With 3.7 inches of exit pupil 🫢, not millimeter, this thing is wide open for my sloppiness... To magically produce accuracy, from my lazy boy perch...🏴☠️
Awesome Video! I was wondering what format you were using for your DOPE Card on your stock. I really like the placement of it. Did you make it through Excel? And how did you mount it so well without it delaminating or peeling off?
Parallax numbers rarely line up with the actual markings on the knob. The reason is because parallax can be affected by environmentals, like temperature, elevation, humidity, etc. Life would be so much simpler if you could just use your parallax knob for ranging. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy.
Boy do I wish I rewatched this review before ordering a mount to piggyback my j point red dot… ain’t no way in hell that is working. The elevation turret is as tall as the sears tower. Likely going to have to figure out a 45* mount I’d imagine
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Maybe the real SPRs were the friends we made along the way.
Its not about the destination, but the journey.
Beat me too it
You meant SCP.
Maybe the real friends were the SPRs we made along the way.
You're tearing me apart Lisa!
Appreciate the detailed review! Please do more of these “cheapest ____ worth a damn” reviews. As a poor it’s nice to see videos on things I may actually one day afford.
Even then, it’s “ahhh maybe one day” for the budget optic 😂😅
@@Samos900 I hear ya. Been wanting an LPVO since 2020 and just managed to pick up a super budget Amazon one last year when it was on sale for $125 just to get a taste of the 1-6 magnification.
@@nicks9541 if you do look to upgrade, the Sig 1-6 and vortex 1-6 are sold for 300 or less with mount all the time. I had the old gen vortex and it was quite nice for how cheap it is
@@CatholicKit thanks! The sig is on my list and I’ve heard good things about the Vortex. But our boy Brass Facts has an affiliate link for the Sig… gotta help our guy out!
Sorry for the delay on the FM15 video. It's been done for quite sometime.
TH-cam just really hates it. For sure will be out next week.
In the Primary Arms storefront they often have open box 2.5x-10x for $450-$500. They regularly (every few months) have Open Box sales online too but those sell out in the first few hours.
damn that's a steal.
Nice, that's awesome. I have the 3x18 hud DMR for the SPR (with offset sights) looking to get same set-up for my poor man's PA-10 build but I can't find the damned thing anywhere
They also have an ebay page with a bunch of open box stuff. Pretty good deals on there
Shhhhhh..... no they don't......
I got one for 475 open box 👍
I love the fact that you talk so much about SPR’s and cover so much info on them! Thanks for all the great info and keep the amazing content coming!!
It's what will be most relevant
Bought the athlon 2-12mil, and oh boy, this review is 100% spot on!!!!!
For the quality, value, ranges its capable of, and the eyebox, which im slapping myself across the face on the "how did they accomplish this"
I humbly thank you!
On my 308 build, im going to get the ares 3-18 with ultra spec glass!
That scope is another grand slam!!!
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Mark Golden!
I got one based on this review and was pleased to notice they now include a throw lever! I think they saw your review and took notes.
Just picked one of these up for around $450, and in the box it included a throw lever and lens hood. Crazy good deal.
where did you buy it?
@@warthunderpro6791 i believe it was euro optic
Brass facts making complicated things simple. At 2:19 he gives a terrific yet concise definition of and
Adding this to the list of scopes I'll be sorting through when I finally build my "SPR" 308.
Get a Leupold
Happy to see Athlon getting some love here. I have their Ares ETR, BTR, and Midas BTR lpvo and couldnt be happier with the overall quality for the price.
the MK Machining polymer throw levers are about $20 and actually quite good, if you want to look at a slightly less disposable option.
ill give it a look thanks!
Ended up getting the MOA version, which brings the stadia lines in and is easier to pick up on the low end. Also, there is a zero stop, you have to set it after you zero. Not a bad piece of kit, thanks for the video.
I have their 3-12 Talos SFP Mildot scope, it's respectable and has better clarity than the Vortex I had for a brief time. I think the smaller magnification range allows it to be lighter and with less glass allows more light through.
I've been wanting to get one of those! Great price, mildot, lightweight, good warranty. Just need to be mindful that the reticle is valid only at 10x.
I ultimately decided to just save up more for the FFP scope. I have 3 other FFP's on other guns....so it would actually be a pain for me personally to learn to run a SFP well.
But for weight savings, capped turret, SFP shooting with a parallax knob...seems great!
Remember, FFP and SFP aren't one being better than the other, rather the two serve different purposes. A SFP like the one I have is best suited for holdover shooting where you aren't adjusting via the turrets and is usually recommended for shots that don't deviate your trajectory much past your zero distance. FFP is your longer range work that needs a holdover programmed into the reticle. General rule of thumb is that if the shot goes beyond your zero distance by more than 200yds then a FFP can increase your hit probability. But this also depends on your use case. Hunting is better suited to SFP where it collects light better and your trajectory isn't going to extend above the height of your game animal. FFP would be better for target\competition shooting or longer range hunting such as Elk out west or for sniping at Wendigo. I recommend playing with a ballistics chart and determine what's right for your most likely use case. A good BDC reticle and a moderate power scope can handle most situations. Intuitive holdovers are best for a DMR and dial turrets are better for single shots that need to matter.
@@luckyomen SFP is def better for any gun where you arent trying to make precise use of your reticle information, or you *know* you will only use the information at max magnification. It's easier to find your reticle on SFP, and you still get a reticle outside of the proper eye box.
FFP is better when you need usable holds at different magnifications, whether an SPR, "sniper", or an air gun!
You're right, FFP is a great adaptability tool. I just personally like to keep my variable scopes simple since I only use them at known distances. My combat preference would be a fixed power prism with a BDC on a semi auto. One shot, one kill is for professional snipers, and I only care about that when hunting.
Athlon makes really good optics. Their budget optics are good, their higher tier optics are fuckin sick. After sending my vortex optic bac on 3 separate occasions and getting 3 replacements I decided to try Athlon. My 6.5 Creedmoor PRS rifle has a gen 2 Ares ETR 4.5-27 and I have a Chronos on my 300 PRC. They are both amazing optics. I have one of their LPVOs but haven't had a chance to play with it much so I can't recommend that one yet.
Brock I got excited there thought the Elcan Bomb Review was dropping 🙂. You've done a ton of work helping to elucidate the pros and cons of our options for optics. It's my biggest struggle as it represents huge potential losses in dollar terms.
Elcan video is done, atm it's processing through the YT gods. Hopefully it passes
I hope you review the US Optics TS-12X. I’m running it with the MHR on my 18” DD SPR. It’s 3-12x, 30mm tube with 44mm objective, FFP and pretty light weight. It’s compact as well, almost too short and was kinda difficult getting it mounted on BadgerO COMM. I went that route so I could run a 35* rmr that sits on the same focal plane so theoretically the zero remains the same. In practice, eh… kinda. The glass is clear (enough) and gathers quite a bit of light, but gets fish eye a bit. They sent a signed inspection sheet from the factory, which is nice. So far it’s been doing well for me, though admittedly I haven’t been able to stretch its legs past 200m to see just how well it tracks at higher rangers. Not a bad optic for ~$600 dollhairs considering its Chinesium origins. Shame that something called US Optics sells China products, but that’s our economic situation I guess.
I have this scope mounted on my aero .308 currently and I love it. it's worth noting that this was the first rifle scope I've bought, so many of the things that you notice, I simply don't. The illumination certainly could be a bit brighter, and it seems to be most useful for dusk shooting against dark backgrounds in my experience or if your target it shadowed. I also have a slightly different reticle (AHMR2 MOA) where instead of the center dot it has a center cross hair with MOA holds, and I wouldn't change it. I love shooting this "battle rifle style" inside of 50 yards and it's very usable in that range, even up to maybe 20 yards, but I also have offset irons which are more useful under .308 recoil. 300 yards is the farthest my local range goes so that's as far as I've pushed it but 2-5" circle gongs are a breeze in that range. All in all I love it and I am trying to find some ranges near me to push the distance on this scope, and I plan on mounting it to a 18-20' barreled SPR(ish) rifle sometime in the next year. Great vid and I audibly laughed because this video came out about a month after I bought the scope so thanks for validating my choice lmao.
All a scope is, is an aiming assist. If its low light performance works for you, then it works for you!
If you're at the range and another shooter offers you a look through their $3k glass at dawn or dusk, you may find yourself cracking open your wallet - or not. Depends on your own vision (youth, eyeglass Rx or no, etc). Younger shooters have fewer image resolution issues. Look at how long the military issued 10x as their distance/sniper scopes. Young eyes are usually not as picky!
Reading about scopes can induce doubt about your current optic. Don't let peer pressure etc persuade you that your current optic sucks. If it works for you, it works for you. When you're behind the glass ready to break a shot, you're not Ansel Adams looking for optimum landscape resolution at great distance for a wall-sized frame-able photograph. You're just trying to make a precise shot.
I'm trying to decide between the MOA and MIL flavors of the Athlon Helos BTR. I've never seen the MOA version anywhere other than Athlon's website, but in comparing it to the MIL version on their website, the MOA reticle looks noticeably smaller. Were you able to compare the 2 in person before buying the MOA version? My point is, are the crosshairs fine enough on the MOA version as to not impede seeing the target at 12X at distance, but is the reticle large enough to be useable at 2X? Thanks!
Got this scope a month ago and i love it so far. Great scope for the price
I'm quite liking this as an option for the 18" BRN-180 I've been working on. If the turrets were shorter, or possibly even capped due to the reticle, it'd probably be the frontrunner
I have the MOA version, meant to buy the MIL version but added the wrong one to the cart cause I didn't read well enough when I finally ordered it. The MIL reticle is way better than the MOA. The dot in the middle of the MIL lends itself to precision much better than the ridiculously thick cross hairs in the MOA.
gotcha, good to know. Thanks
Yusss thank you for providing my brain with the stimulation it needed for purchase validation
I gochu
Plan on building out my own SPR here soon. Will be my first rifle build and alway love watching your content on what to look for. Keep it up 👍
Just picked up the Swampfox 2-12. It’s pretty dang good for the money too 👊🏻
Not watching, not into 2- whatever scopes. But liking, commenting, and starting video just to help cuz you are the man!! I’ll wait for the next video!
This is the way
Scope zeroed well and held it. Used on a 6.5 Grendel build.
Told you so !
Btw, I've seen it on Amazon for $300 before.
If you want a flippy objective cap. Vortex Defender O-40. The O-44 is just a hair too big to fit properly.
Wait WHAT?! WHEN!? Black Friday deal or something?
The Parallax adjustment is VERY much affected by the Ocular lens adjustment. You can adjust the Ocular lens and cause the Parallax knob to be VERY accurate, but then your crosshairs might not be sharp and clear. It's obvious that sharp and clear crosshairs is a lot more important that having a Parallax knob that is spot on. I think for most scopes the Parallax knob is accurate only when someone with perfect 20/20 vision has adjusted the Ocular lens.
well that makes sense, because I have the aforementioned fucked up eyeballs
The parallax knob on all my side-focus scopes is not "accurate" with any sort of precision. My eyeglass Rx is pretty bad, perhaps this interplay you mention explains part of that. I don't think folks who whinge about the imprecise parallax markings shoot very much. They just look for nits to pick, to feel "ripped off". It's a weird mindset. The parallax knob is there to adjust your focus, to make your reticle sharp as you need compared to the target focus. The only time I pay attention to the numbers marked is when I am going from 100 to 300 or vice-versa, and forgot where I last left the parallax. I look through the scope and it looks janky, I pull back and glance at the dial, is it near 100 or is it near 300, then I dial accordingly, look again and fine-tune. Easy-as.
@@seanoneil277 Yeah, I don't know why they even bother to put numbers on the Parallax dial to begin with. Some don't, which I like.
Sadly though it's possible to dial in the sharpest and clearest image and STILL have parallax. Being parallax free is much more important than having the sharpest image. If you dial in the sharpest image and there is still a slight bit of parallax present, play with the ocular lens dial to get the sharpest image AND be parallax free at the same time. You may end up finding that the reticle ends up being JUST SLIGHTLY out of focus or somewhat softened edges. Who cares so long as you can still read the reticle and find the center dot quickly. If I had to choose between a super sharp parallax free image or a super sharp reticle, I'll take the super sharp parallax free image any day of the week.
I want to see a review on the Leupold vx-5 2-10! Fire dot reticle seems pretty sweet in combination with a CDS dial, would be a good higher end comparison to the Athlon and Primary Arms
A budget option I found is the SWFA 2.5-10x32 SS Ultralight Riflescope. It's cheaper than other SPR scopes, sitting at $266 right now.
That's what I have and not saying it's a POS but here I am looking for another scope.
First one Athlon is from the city I grew up in Olathe Kansas 🤙🏽
Been thinking about picking one of these up for quite a while now. Almost grabbed on right before Xmas to put on my Zastava m77 but ended spending my money on kids.
ew kids.
The voices are pretty solid haha Future Athlon Retirement Home resident here
Any chance of the new vortex strike eagle 3-18x 44 being in the SPR Optic show down? And might I suggest the 1951 USAF resolution test chart as a quantitative category.
I'd really like to see where the new 34mm tube 3-18 SE stacks up too.
I’ve had this scope for about 6 months. It has the features I want in a “SPR” scope. My only complaint was addressed in this video. Those damn turrets are tall and scuttled my plans for a 12 o’clock RMR. Offset it is then. Still a good scope.
Reptilia Corp does sell RMR risers that include the longer screws for mounting piggy back red dots
that was a big ol bullsnake. i love seeing those guys in the wild.
Instead of spending a fortune for a 2-10, I opted for the Opmod PA 4-14x44 with HUD DMR reticle, and a top mounted Holosun 407c.
Running m193 primarily, check the trajectory on a 4.5" height above bore and 70 yard zero for the dot. Canting your rifle towards your non dominant eye and using it to aim in close quarters is a very decent solution to a lack of real low end magnification. The scope also gives you a VERY usable reticle, great glass clarity for the price, and the only two issues I have with it are a lack of locking turrets and/or no zero stop. You CAN fix the zero stop issue, though, with the same fix people use with the SWFA Super Sniper shim fix. Just look it up. You'll have to make your own shims, though, or find them on McMaster
As a side note, the US Optics TS 12x has had my attention for a while. I use the TS-25X on my 308 AR, and I'm very pleased with it. Found it on Scopelist for $650. If the TS12 is anything like the 25, it's a great scope.
How much heavier is a 4-16
I was really torn between the athlon 2-12 and swampfox 2-12. But ended up with the swampfox. I haven't seen the athlon in person yet but im happy with the swampfox. The glass seems better than my other athlon scope. Hopefully youll validate my purchase in your review
they're very similar.
the turrets on the swampfox, and the reticle bugs me.
My issue with swampfox is how do they know how many rounds you fired for the warranty?
Has Swampfox been around long enough to truly know what their stuff is really about? Athlon, as BF said, was once in the Amazon blind grab bag Territory price wise but has shown to be reliable and a good value.. just asking, not bashing.
@@marvinbrock960 Swampfox, like all of its competitors, does not make its own scopes. It gives design & technical specs to optics mfrs. You will see great core similarities among all the scopes in this sub-1k tier, as there are only a few optcs manufacturers doing contract work for companies like Swampfox, Athlon, Primary Arms, Arken, Tract, etc. I have an Arrowhead 1-8x that I think is very good for its price, and I think the 1-6x would have been a better choice as 8x requires more engineering and better glass than this price tier allows. The eyebox gets fussy and the lighting is dim at 8x on the Arrowhead. But coloring is clean, and the glass is crisp otherwise. I like the BDC reticle despite knowing the ammo-specific issue with BDCs. The green illumination is nice and the range of illumination very useful to my eyes. I think they made a nice product with the Arrowhead and I'd wager the Kentucky Long 2-12x is similarly nice, and probably better at lower lighting with a bigger objective lens.
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Id love to see how you have your DOPE set up. Thats something I need to do next for the my SPR i just put together. Absolutely love my PrimArms 4-14 ACSS
I really appreciate the effort and info you put into all your content. but I have to say, I'm often distracted by the breathtaking places that you shoot. Not saying that as a negative, it just adds to your content. Curious what part of the us this is.
Utah
I'd like to see your thoughts on the SWFA 2.5-10x ultralight. I've found it to be a viable solution on something halfway between a gpr and an spr.
I’d be curious to hear something about this too.
I ran one on an aero ultralight mount on my ultralight KP-15 receiver build pencil barrel coyote gun and it was a dream to carry that gun. That's a great scope for hunting. It really needs parallax adjustment and illumination for a more tactical spr usage. But, the build quality and the glass is great for the price and the weight is ridiculous. I had a SWFA SS HD 1-4 that was fantastic too. Never should have sold either of those scopes.
Will keep an eye on this, in hopes that they update the reticle with a reduced center dot size. 1 MOA doesn't work for guns that shoot sub-MOA. thanks.
I went with the PA GLX 4-16x with Athena BPR reticle. I think it’s the same price as the 2-10x but it’s 1 oz heavier and 1” longer.
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Thank you.
I think if you are running offset red dot a low end of 3 or 4x is fine. Actual use of 2x is pretty limited once you have the dot to cover 0-50yds, although it can be good for wide FOV for target acquisition.
If giving up the 2x can get you a better eye box at 12x, it’s worth considering. The athlon 10-12x range is tricky to use without a good shooting position. Although at ranges where you want 12x you probably have time to build a stable shooting position. Otherwise, you’ll learn to prefer using the Athlon in the 6-9x range where the eye box feels a lot bigger.
I like that you pointed out that this scope is really best if you plan to run 2x. It's a good magnification that is more usable than a 3x...but it's still magnification, so important for folks to realize that. It simply cannot compete with a red dot for red dot ranges or red dot shooting positions.
It could be serviceable at 2x minus offset RDS, if the shooter trained a lot. And I mean a lot. But the same could be said for anything. Ask anyone who was issued an ACOG about getting used to 4x all the time.
I have a Talos 3-12x from Athlon on my lr308, and I really like it for the price. Honestly the glass in Athlon scopes performs a lot better than most other things in their price range.
GLX 2.5-10x gang all the way.
If you can deal with the chevron, nothing beats it in price/performance.
This one looks neat though
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I like the chevron generally, but at 4x or greater I tend to appreciate less obscuring of my aiming point's region. The chevron tip is very precise but what's beneath it is obscured by the chevron. I say this as a user of the 507C ACSS RDS, and the 503G ACSS tube sight both w/ and w/o 3x magnifier. I don't think I would like it much on a distance/precision scope. But I could make it work if I had to, I'm sure.
As a shooter, I'm not a big fan of the Christmas tree reticles, but if you're spotting for someone and pulling off followup shots (ie two man 308 AR shooter team) the Christmas tree makes calling holds, or following up for the primary shooter if you're running the same barrel length and ammo, SUPER fast.
My brother and I have practiced this ad nauseum. We routinely use the USO TS-25X in this manner. We run the same ammo, same barrel length and same zero. We both aim center mass. He shoots... I spot. If he misses, I adjust point of aim to which point on my reticle his shot hits, call the shot as I'm firing, he adjusts aim, and presto. Back to back impacts.
We both run the same dope card for our guns taped to the inside of the eyepiece scope cap. The only time consuming task is measuring and ranging with mils. The more we do it, the faster we both get though.
JVCR reticle for the scope. The other MSR or whatever it is isn't bad, but I much prefer the JVCR.
I think for an SPR a simple christmas tree is fine, but some of them have way too much information clutter. An SPR is not supposed to be a target rifle or a "sniper" rifle, its still supposed to be a functional fighting rifle.
I use the Argos on a 6.5 Grendel. I went with is as I did not know if I was going to enjoy shooting out to farther distances than I had previously with my 16inch 556 with a 1-6. Still happy with the setup.
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USS Alabama
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@@tedundercarriage8183 I used to live in Spanish Fort and have toured the Alabama many many times.⚓
Modern: Burke.
Best stories: indefatigable (the sail ship one)
Titanic unironically was the one i was all over over in my youth even though i was to scared to ever finish the movie
My competition gun has had a nylon coaster for 5 yrs and still works fine
Nylon coasters are slept on.
Love your stuff. Keep it coming!
Really like the content on your channel. Not exactly budget but take a look at the vortex 3-15 Razor LHT.
19ounces and excellent glass and reticle for an SPR. Also a ranger band stretched over the zoom ring makes a huge difference if you don't have a throw lever. Kind of a bandaid but actually works quite well.
Sadly the 3-15 Razor LHT is Second Focal Plane and the reticle does not have holds for wind, which means it's more setup as a high end hunting scope than a SPR scope, still a great scope, the 4.5-22 LHT though does have those features and not much heavier, however that is too much magnification for an SPR in my opinion. I'd hold on to my cash, solid rumors are some good scopes for this sort of use are going to be announced at SHOT show this month.
7:20 What 4-16 scopes were you referring to? Very interested in your suggestion
Awesome breakdowns btw!
The new PA 4-16x44 with the new arc2 reticle is great
The athlon 8x to-34x w56mm objective I put on my 6.5CM Ruger Precision is good & cheap, $o I would 'chance' your 2x to 12x -44mm SPR recommendation. Your videos are great, and inform with entertaining humility. Thank for sharing knowledge & testing practices 👍🇺🇲💩
I've been looking for something compact because I use a 10" handguard on my rifle. The Vudu is a 5x scope (5-25) is roughly 10 inches long, and the Nightforce ATACs(?) is an 8x scope (2.5-20) at roughly 11 inches long.
I emailed vortex about doing something like a 3-18x (useable low end with excellent high end for observation, 6x erectors are childs play now that LPVOs forced the market) in a compact package in the 10 inch-ish range. They said they had plans for something, but thats about all.
Yo WTF, I’ve been researching this optic HEAVILY the last few days, along with re-watching all of your SPR videos, and was just about to buy it.
HOW DID YOU KNOW BRASS FACTS, CEASE YOUR WITCHCRAFT!
the microphone and camera is in the living room above the weird table thing in the corner.
@@BrassFacts I’d like to apologize for what I’ve put you through, I thought that was the FBI’s. I swear.
Love the distinction between "dur jUsT aS gOoD" and "good ENOUGH", sounds like a functional optic for a specific niche application
Nice work. About the 2x "minimalism" -- with offset RDS your 2x becomes your "big FOV" identification setting rather than primary aiming. Also, that "half-a-T" reticle certainly can be used for deer-, hog-, or terrible hominid- sized targets I'd wager. Adding an illuminated dot in the center would probably throw the price $250-300 upward. I'd also say this one's a tossup against the Swampfox competitor, based on having an Arrowhead 1-8X that is surprising for its price, if the Swampfox reticle works for the person. Hard to find good value in this price range.
My experience with the Swampfox in dim light pushed me to spend a bit more for this application. That's where these sub-1k optics show their limits. Sharper resolution, better coloration at distance and in dim light. Bigger objectives can help too, if you'll lug the weight. I ended up w/ Credo 2.5-15x thanks mostly to its specs/features and EuroOptic's blowout of Credos. Spent a bit more than the Athlon / Swampfox / PA versions you mentioned here, all of which I compared along with a Tract model which almost got the nod, but for the lack of illumination.
Also on the tube-mount RDS, I think Trijicon's is a bit cheaper than LaRue's. But not by much.
i’m a little late to the party, but what do you think about the credo 2.5-15? i’ve been eyeing it and i haven’t seen many reviews other than older, more broad reviews about the entire credo line in general. if you could get back to me i’d appreciate it.
@@mikikoshootsguns I like it a lot. I have several other Credos, a pair of 4-16x SFP, and a 3-9x SFP. Their picture quality, reticle usefulness and illumination all are perfectly fine for my uses/needs. Weight is good, and the prices at EuroOptic earlier this year made them a good deal.
I'm not a glass snob, I'm not Ansel Adams taking crystalsharp images of great definition, I'm using an aiming device. I don't see any purple fringing, other distortion, or loss of crispness anywhere in the mag range on any of my Credos. They all are good in evening light. I'm sure some glass snobs and/or brand snobs have reasons to say the Credos aren't worth anyone's $$ but I'm not that sort of snob. I think they're very good.
@@seanoneil277 i’m glad you enjoyed your purchase, i’m gonna try to pull the trigger on a 2-10 early next year if prices are still good. i appreciate your feedback.
@@mikikoshootsguns The 2-10 is well liked from what I hear/read, and if it's like the other Credos I've used you should be happy.
I bought an Athlon once but it wouldn't track and would not hold a zero. Sent it back and wont touch another, maybe I am over reacting but I prefer not to have to deal with the possibilities and find out too late and not be able to return it. I currently run a Vrtx Viper Gen 1 2-10x on my SPR. Only thing I'm not super keen on this scope is the 2nd focal plane and the zero stop. I have considered buying the Gen2, and I do run a 3-18 gen 2 viper on my bolt gun, but I got the Gen 1 for under $300 on sale, so can't beat that with the warranty you get from vortex.
My poors submission: Burris Full field lV 3x12-56 illuminated E3 reticle w their peer mount fwd pic rail included for future holosun. Appalachian SPR shorter range use cases, budget, getting away without parallax adj, no dialing
I'm going to get one because of this review thanks.
What would be a better scope? The Athlon 2-12x42 or the Primary Arms glx 2.5-10. Im looking to put it on a .308?
Get the athalon 2-12ffp mil
Yeah I got it in MOA. Thanks for the reply
@@Patryk24k you like it?
Yeah, it's not to bad for the money.
The Helos 2-12x42's are decent quality Chinese made scopes and worth buying whenever they go on sale for $330-$350.
Great review. Who makes that hoodie?
My next scope will be that GLx 2.5-10 you’re constantly raving about. Too bad about the Chevron, but I‘ll give it a go😃
I haven't ever heard of Athelon before, I may have to look into them after watching this video.
Athlon is awesome. I own this scope on my coyote rifle, their Ares ETR 1-10 on my main AR, the Ares BTR 2.5-15 on my bolt 308, and the Ares ETR 4.5-30 on my 300 win mag. Dollar for dollar they're very, very tough to beat. There's a reason they're dominating in the base class long range competitive shooting sports.
I'm surprised Brassfacts didn't mention the zero stop. They have an excellent, true zero stop design that really sets them apart from similarly priced scopes. Often even spendier scopes don't have any zero stop function, but most Athlons do, and it's a really really good one.
Probably should have mentioned it.
It's actually in the script, so I might have just deleted it on the editing floor without realizing.
Do you think something like a 3-18x would be a better SPR scope? Seems like a slight compromise on the low end with a big benefit in high-end magnification.
depends
Do you need 18x? It's not a competition to get more mag. Just get what you need.
You ready to pay? Not just in cost, but often weight.
I personally wouldn't want to give up a 2x.
im literally waiting for the glx 2.4-10 you said was good but illumination blows and here you are.
i will find out tomorrow if it really sucks
It's not really bad here in the plains, my hs508t sits too low in the pri top cap ring because I didn't like how you did your 12ok mrds
Gotta know what exit song you used. The classical guitar bit at the end. Awesome! Please let me know the name.
I’d like to throw another scope in the ring for your comparison video.
Shepherd Scope BRS series.
I got one of these an immediately sent it in for service... Short story: When I'd rotate to max magnification there was a large random dot etched in the lense that was not part of the reticle.
Love your Alpinist. Hope you've upgraded that strap by now.
ive seen people use hose clamps for cheap throw levers. don't over tighten though.
"Dude, that's a loooong lad, look at it!"
Ah, yes, a double entendre, how spectacular~!
What's your take on Burris optics? Because there's a 2.5-10 SFP with an illuminated reticle for sub-$200 at my local gun store
If it’s the one I’m thinking of, it doesn’t have any parallax adjustment, which is a big big drawback. Plus, capped turrets, a 2nd focal plane and I can’t remember how good the reticle is. I was initially excited when I discovered it too, but the noticed the small details of it.
I was just listening to your Field Rifle/Recce Lite video earlier and you mentioned that you had a bunch of problems with the WWSD. Do you plan on making a video discussing it?
Primary arms Slx is a better option imo
Which one? None of them offers this magnification range, if you're talking about the 1-6 that's an lpvo while this is an MPVO
Just put two magnifiers back to back looking through a dot
I like Athlon they have nice LPVO scopes and nice reticles.
You should look at the Swampfox Kentucky Long 2-12X44. Picked one up a few months ago, it being my first MPVO, I've had no issues.
I have one, it'll come up soon ish
Anyway we could get a comparison to the Swamp Fox Warhawk 2-10X44 with the RECCE MIL reticle? I too like RECCE scopes and I am looking for the best one for a lower price. I have the PA GLX, Trijicon Credo 2.5-15X56 and a Bushnell one but they each have one thing that is missing from the other.
Worth mentioning that as of feb 23 this does come with an optional throw lever
Does it really come with a throw lever?
I like this better than the PA 2.5-10x. The PA is less than the sum of its parts. You don’t really use the turrets in practice because the reticle is a vague chevron that’s not conductive for dialing. The Athlon 2-12x has a better reticle you can dial for and glass with better contrast and less CA.
Good review! Would you review the vortex Razor 3x15. Only 19 oz and around $ 1300
I was always interested in 3-15 and 5-20
Good job. Thanks
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That Atibal 1 - 12 FFP looks interesting but it's a hog at nearly 25oz🤔 and a weird 35mm body. Service Discount brings it under 1K.
Jane you gotten a chance to try the sig tango msr 2-12 yet ?
@ 0:46 what adapter plate are you using to mount the holosun to the LaRue mount?
You saved my ass... With 3.7 inches of exit pupil 🫢, not millimeter, this thing is wide open for my sloppiness... To magically produce accuracy, from my lazy boy perch...🏴☠️
Awesome Video! I was wondering what format you were using for your DOPE Card on your stock. I really like the placement of it. Did you make it through Excel? And how did you mount it so well without it delaminating or peeling off?
yeah, excel, and tape. It needs new tape occasionally.
Parallax numbers rarely line up with the actual markings on the knob. The reason is because parallax can be affected by environmentals, like temperature, elevation, humidity, etc. Life would be so much simpler if you could just use your parallax knob for ranging. Unfortunately, it’s not that easy.
yeah i figured, but this one was widely off. typically it's within 200-300 but for this one it felt way more
One Hundred Concepts scope cover. Nice.
12 is a decent power for precision shooting
I'd like to see where you rank the Vortex PST gen ii 2-10x32mm in your SPR scope show down.
Boy do I wish I rewatched this review before ordering a mount to piggyback my j point red dot… ain’t no way in hell that is working. The elevation turret is as tall as the sears tower. Likely going to have to figure out a 45* mount I’d imagine
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