Down Bad or Just Downright Wrong? | Ranking your Twisted Wonderland Hot Takes

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  • @cedarable
    @cedarable 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

    just wanna say I love how explosive your laughs and giggles actually get, like I can clearly tell youre having fun and it scratches at my brain in a good way

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      THANK YOU FOR THIS 😭 I get worried that I go overboard with laughing and giggling but it’s really how I express myself when I feel comfortable and I’m rlly happy you didnt mind it at all

    • @Diputsforetteb
      @Diputsforetteb 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      SAMEEEEE

  • @leonas_believer
    @leonas_believer 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    The way the live chat was so chaotic 😭
    6:13:23 btw words can't express how happy i was when tou mentioned me omcryrydh [The Constellation "Leona wanters shall be Leona haver" are giggling, jumping around, rolling, screaming, crying, throwing up]

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      RIGHT I could not keep track of what side cat fights going on puhlease 😭 and YAYAY I’m happy that youre happy, and honestly thank you for showing up btw

  • @cielfanumhive
    @cielfanumhive 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    knew that my fellow vs leona battle take was gonna go into THAT category the moment i saw the tierlist 😔 4:57:16

  • @Silly-rvniii
    @Silly-rvniii 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    29:07 I agree on behalf of witnessing some people who can’t act right- (those Pinterest arts give me a 1000 yard stare type flashback)

  • @M0V3D_ACC0UNT
    @M0V3D_ACC0UNT 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    4:10:24 AS THE PERSON WHO WROTE THAT TAKE I GENUINELY GIGGLED AT THE MARY POPPINS IDEA 😭😭

  • @Rei_L
    @Rei_L 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    4:55 for stream start
    I still think if you have the time you should watch the whole thing through but the first one starts
    18:50

  • @Silly-rvniii
    @Silly-rvniii 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    4:10:38 this is what I was literally thinking every time the topic is brought up- like where do the girls go to use the bathroom if there wasn’t any? In the back woods?😭

    • @kalindhiseneviratne8247
      @kalindhiseneviratne8247 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      I think this got brought up in another comment section too, to which I answered:
      There's probably a guest/gender neutral bathroom that was made for open invitation events. There's roughly 2-5 events like that annually, so they would have put it in at some point. There's a possibility that they hire portable(?) bathrooms for those events, but we also have to consider things like Parent-Teacher meetings & impromptu guests. And being such a lavish, reputed school that teaches high profile figures, ...I don't see have they can't have AT LEAST ONE gender neutral bathroom.

  • @x.un.finished
    @x.un.finished 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Thanks for the fun stream, fleur! Upset at myself for not waking up in time but I had a good laugh the time i did make it XD

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      No THANK YOU for making it fun and showing up, I would’ve not survived if it wasnt for everyone having their humor including you tbh 😭

  • @kalindhiseneviratne8247
    @kalindhiseneviratne8247 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    3:17:43 That was mine. I admit, that I didn't realize how vague I had been about it, until I sent it. Sorry about that! I wanted to clarify everything in real time, but I had to leave before that. What I actually meant was:
    I wasn't referring to ruling the kingdom. I agree that Farena would be a much more considerate ruler.
    I meant that Farena was somehow insensitive to Leona's suffering, when we know that the entire country was openly discriminating against him. Yes, their parents started the whole thing with favorism, & are the real culprits here. But him being based off of Mufasa doesn't make him Mufasa. I don't see how Farena could be a considerate ruler AND neglect his brother. I know we lack info from his perspective, & I'm open to be proven wrong. But from what we do know, there's only a silver of a chance for him to be completely innocent of this. And if he isn't, he needs to be held accountable for his contribution to the problem.
    I agree with some of the other takes that say Leona isn't helping his situation. 1) Because he's being an idiot about it. 2) But also because no one else in the royal family is doing anything either. A member is being mistreated & they don't do anything?
    It also creates concerning implications for Cheka, 'cause if Farena isn't doing anything for Leona, who's to say that the same won't happen to Cheka? Which brings into question his priorities, which is why I brought up his credibility as a ruler.
    Also, I didn't know about the novel, so thanks for mentioning that!
    Hope that clears everything up!

  • @Letmesleep_0k
    @Letmesleep_0k 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    This stream was very fun and chaotic, loved chatting with all of you ❤️

  • @Croshelee
    @Croshelee 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I really enjoyed this stream! I can't wait for part 2, hopefully I'll be able to attend it!

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you sm!! Part 2 still in the mental space right now and hopefully the attendance will align perfectly with yours 🙏 because rip no more holidays 😞

  • @Lord_Lionheart
    @Lord_Lionheart 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    34:59 Leona can’t just up and fire all the servants that talk sh*t about him it has to be his brother who does so as he’s the king! I feel like to many people see someone who’s privileged and assume they’re entitled with no duties,restrictions or responsibilities. If Leona could fire all the servants he most definitely would have done so! Like yea Leona could just talk to his brother but do y’all know how many duties a king has??!
    Yes Leona is privileged but he didn’t ask for any of it put it like this imagine constantly being seen as a threat to society because of a power you didn’t ask for then to constantly be compared to your elder brother not to mention the entire kingdom treats you like crap because your born second I’d be upset to asking “why was I even born if they already had a heir to the throne?” “Maybe if I was born first I’d be treated differently with respect?!” “If I had been born with different powers then maybe I wouldn’t feel so alone and everyone wouldn’t be afraid of me….” I feel for Leona as I am the second eldest in my family and I’m constantly compared to my own brother who “could do no wrong” it’s not just about the disrespect it’s about all of the treatment he gets I would argue that many don’t see him as part of the royal family rather a pest they can’t get rid of without consequences and that’s messed up!
    Edit: also Leona is 10 YEARS YOUNGER than Falena!! Why would you compare a literal child to a grown man🤦🏻💀

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  7 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Yeah, I completely understand that firing people from their positions isn’t a simple matter, and listening back to that part, I realize I didn't fully consider the complexities involved. I was mainly focused on validating the take at the time and I apologize for that.
      I do think Leona could have brought this issue to Neji/Kifaji, who at the time likely was a mentor towards Leona and had the position of Royal Chamberlain with the authority to handle such matters. That said, I also acknowledge that as a second born, Leona wouldn’t have had the power to directly fire servants.
      Also to clarify, the Leona I was referring to in this context was adult Leona, not child Leona. If this were about child Leona, or if the original writer specified child Leona then it’s clear he wouldn’t have been in a strong position to remove anyone, given his reputation and second born status at the time.

  • @whydoiexist3353
    @whydoiexist3353 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    3:02:57 is mine I definitely used the wrong word saying boring(I'm sorry yall i feel bad dont be mad😭) maybe more like im not interested as much in them as much as i feel like i could be if they had more screen time or if the writing was better but I kinda find it hard to get through all events cause I can't play without deleting everything on my device and the gacha doesn't like me so I wish there was more in main story for them. Or a way to replay older events cause ik I've missed a lot like ik I'd be interested in Cater/Trey/Jack/Silver more if there was more for me to see in main story. Book 7 isn't enough to give everyone more character like what you said about Jack(haven't watched/played passed Lilias dream) there's so much more to him than just looking up to Leona and I wish to see more for everyone.(I'm probably going to keep editing this cause I feel like I not getting my words out right😭😭😭)

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      I totally get what you’re saying, and you’re completely valid! Book 7 definitely doesn't give enough focus to the less prominent characters, which is a real issue (for the plot and the fans unfortunately). I can understand how that would make it harder to get invested in them. And yeah, the storage problem is too real...I really hope your gacha luck turns around soon, and that the storage situation gets easier to manage! 🙏

  • @Jouno
    @Jouno 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I still stand by with all my comments on Sam 🙏🙏 (if he was also in that contest with fellow and Leona, HE WOULDVE WON)
    Also your voice reminds me of Sena Kiryuin’s in a way (you should check em out!)

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Sam fan all the way 😭😭 ALSO WHATS WITH THE RANDOM INSERTING
      Sena Kiryuin mention omg,, idk if I can hear it personally but if you say so then I’ll take it tbh 🙏

  • @Somecrazypersonontheinternet
    @Somecrazypersonontheinternet 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Best stream I’ve been in this was so crazy

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This was genuinely like a fever dream, also thank you haha 😭

  • @kanao.loverr
    @kanao.loverr 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    amazing ahh stream 🙏🙏 kinda sad I wasn’t able to watch the entire stream but I lowkey feel asleep at the 4 hour mark.. 😔

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      THANK YOU 🫶🙏 its longg so totally understandable if you cant watch the entire thing 😭 I esp get you more if you were watching during nighttime so yeah

  • @srslydoatm9251
    @srslydoatm9251 วันที่ผ่านมา

    33:01 I definitely agree with the take of people bashing Rook to absolve Vil of his crimes but I feel like people were just mad at Rook's choice to vote against the team against the other's interests. I'm not saying thay this is valid or anything but I'm just trying to put a reason for maybe why people have a problem with Rook in that story, though they completely forget thay Vil's overblot/attempt to k1ll could have had disasterous effects on the competition regardless

  • @Malleusschildofman
    @Malleusschildofman 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    WOOHOO THE LIVE IS SO FUN AND CHAOTIC LOL
    Im the only one who is normal in there 😔👏

    • @CuowuXie
      @CuowuXie 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      IM THE NORMAL ONE, ITS ME

    • @Somecrazypersonontheinternet
      @Somecrazypersonontheinternet 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      LIES. The malleus comments were insane

    • @tylercoep0588
      @tylercoep0588 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @CuowuXie LIAR

    • @Malleusschildofman
      @Malleusschildofman 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@CuowuXie nuh uh its me im literally calm there and not talking 😍

    • @tylercoep0588
      @tylercoep0588 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I sent a friend request to you ingame. My username is just Tyler.

  • @Torchictheannihilater
    @Torchictheannihilater 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    55:26 FISH MAFIAAAA

  • @acidsygageagn-jh4wl
    @acidsygageagn-jh4wl 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Personal timestamps
    2:45:32
    6:00:10

  • @Diputsforetteb
    @Diputsforetteb 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    2:10:28 for the crack nose adventure
    2:20:27 yeahh i like how riddle is but irl i wouldn't get along with him
    Ace,deuce,epel,kalim,azul and floyd are just like my friend so i am fine with them tho

  • @tylercoep0588
    @tylercoep0588 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    SEE Y´ALL AGAIN IN PART 2. I´M SAVING UP HEAR ME OUTS TO TELL CHAT AGAIN!!

    • @Malleusschildofman
      @Malleusschildofman 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      IKRRR HEHEHEHE anyways
      "I l-l-love malleus.." as I tried to get out of my cage

    • @tylercoep0588
      @tylercoep0588 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @Malleusschildofman My beloved brother in simping ❤️🔥

  • @venaue
    @venaue 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    was gonna say first but was beat to it.... sighs
    anyway stan fleur PEACE OUT 🤞🤞

  • @Aleca_Rosea
    @Aleca_Rosea 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I fell asleep mid-way after i woke up :C

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      It’s alright!! Please rest when you feel the need too, no pressure tbh. Thank you for showing up too btw

    • @Aleca_Rosea
      @Aleca_Rosea 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Love your work :D hopefully if you ever start another live, I'll be awake the whole time.

  • @TheRealVilSchoenhiet
    @TheRealVilSchoenhiet 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'd suck at doing this kind of thing because I utterly DESPISE Rook and there's so many people who think he's hot sh*

    • @TheRealVilSchoenhiet
      @TheRealVilSchoenhiet 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also on the one, a person can psychologically analyze most of the characters and give LOGICAL Lore accurate psychological reasons for the behavior of the characters, You physically cannot Validate Rook Hunt like you can Vil Schoenhiet

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I mean there’s already like a decent amount of Rook hater takes so you’re honestly not alone..feel free to drop the vitrol anytime tbh.
      It’d be nice to hear your thoughts about it esp with the “you cannot physically validate Rook” like ooh, very curious on that, but no pressure!!

    • @TheRealVilSchoenhiet
      @TheRealVilSchoenhiet 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I'd have to fully write out the explanation but yeah I could definitely share what I mean by that

    • @TheRealVilSchoenhiet
      @TheRealVilSchoenhiet 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Okay so I'm not a psychologist or anything but I'm pretty well versed in how Trauma and Mental Illness effect a person, for example Idia's entire outburst that led to his Overblot can be directly connected to the Trauma and guilt of losing his little brother, He was perfectly fine until Possessed Ortho showed up, if that entire set of events (Ortho getting possessed) never happened things probably could have went smoothly and he would have been just fine if still a bit depressed
      If you take into account the Psychological stress of being an actor from childhood and constantly trying to better yourself to achieve what your trying to achieve only to constantly be stuck in the same position (Which to a child and even a normal teenager would seem like saying no matter what you do you'll never be good enough) as well as the physical stress of having to take a bunch of people who having very limited ability in a certain field and only having a week to make them shine enough to hopefully win a huge game changing competition WHILE dealing with a manager who doesn't seem to have any respect for his boundaries considering she accepted a part he didn't want knowing he didn't want it, intense stress makes people do crazy things, there's almost no evidence anywhere else in the game (I'm not counting Book 7 because it feels a bit like a disrespect to his personality everywhere else) to imply Vil would ever go that far normally, now a person could argue that a normal person wouldn't do something like that in his position but you can't ACTUALLY know what you would do in that position until your in that position, it's the same principal as the sweet quiet friend suddenly snapping at everyone because they're stressed
      Riddle's entire book was a good example of what kinds of Psychological effects certain parenting styles can have on your child, He is the the way he is because of Mother and her franky toxic parenting
      Leona's problem is He's got an Inferiority Complex which is a psychological issue that screws with his own self esteem and how he sees others, Granted that absolutely DOES NOT excuse him from his actions but it's still something he has that likely drove his actions
      Azul's issue was bullying, He'd been bullied most of his childhood for being a lil Chonk so he pushed himself and pushed himself and pushed himself and honestly I kinda don't blame him for losing it when everything that worked for came crumbling down, I don't excuse his actions but I don't blame him either
      Most of the students have a solid Psychological reason, ROOK, is... He does NOT Rook takes PLEASURE in his actions and I know for a fact he's well aware he's making people uncomfortable because several of the students have Canonically made it clear he does, he's constantly talking about how excited he would be to die in various ways at the hands of others, he's constantly all up in Someone's personal space touching them even if they make it clear they don't want him to, he takes Pictures of people without their consent, He can tell you everything about any given student right down to information he rightfully and possibly legally shouldn't have, Some of the most notable offenses (At least for me) are Book 5 and the story of how he and Vil became "Friends", in book 5 Vil SPECIFICALLY asks everyone to stop watching him, Most likely to calm himself from the mini panic attack he was having and Rook flat out refuses, and young Vil makes it incredibly clear he just wants Rook to leave him alone to the point he tells Rook to not transfer dorms and Rook completely ignores him basically being like "Welp too late now", Lets also not forget how GENUINELY upset Vil was during his Lab Coat Vignette when Rook criticized an extremely unnoticeable change in his CHEEKS, I don't know about anyone else but if I'm upset to the point of telling someone to shove my share of delicious cake down someone's throat forcefully if necessary that's not really someone I'd call my friend, in fact I'd probably call them a toxic A$$, Rook's behavior is Rook's actual personality, there's no room to give him the benefit of the doubt using Psychology, that's literally just how Rook is, you can't Validate his actions without Validating the actions of others creeps and stalkers, there's no debating it, Rook is a actual creep and if he continues to just be allowed to act like he does there's no telling how far he could end up going, haven't we learned anything from real life Stalkers? From Chloroform rags, SA cases and missing persons posters? There's no guarantee he'll go that far but it's still a huge possibility considering how far he already goes, You can't validate Rook Hunt because Rook Hunt is a criminal and saying there's nothing wrong with his behavior is basically the same as saying real life Stalkers and offenders haven't done anything wrong

  • @Imbatman-zd7fx
    @Imbatman-zd7fx 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I still stand by what I said lol 4:32:36

  • @KR1ZZPYF33L1NG
    @KR1ZZPYF33L1NG 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    R u gonna post the rankings when it's finished??

    • @fleurism
      @fleurism  20 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah probably, it's going to look pretty messy though lmaoskd